Jesus, Montero went deep again!

Game 77 Spillover Thread
Pettitte solid as Yanks roll past M's

Looks like Aroldis Chapman has defected from Cuba while participating in a tournament in the Netherlands (h/t The Artist). It’s unconfirmed other than the linked report, but huge news if true. You may remember him from the WBC, (supposedly) 21-yr old southpaw with serious heat and tons of projection left. Here’s a clip. Tremendous arm.

Triple-A Scranton had a scheduled off day.

Double-A Trenton (5-3 loss to Erie)
Reegie Corona, Edwar Gonzalez & Marcos Vechionacci: all 0 for 4- Corona scored a run & K’ed
Chris Malec: 0 for 2, 2 BB
Eduardo Nunez: 2 for 4, 1 R, 1 HR, 1 RBI
Jorge Vazquez & Jack Rye: both 1 for 4, 1 K – Vazquez drove a run in … Rye doubled
Jesus Montero: 2 for 3, 1 R, 1 2B, 1 HR, 1 RBI, 1 BB – 12 for his last 31 (.387) … four jacks in his last three games … he’s 19, in AA, in a pitcher’s park … this is absolutely insane
Zach McAllister: 4 IP, 2 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 3 BB, 6 K, 1 HB, 4-2 GB/FB – this is the time of year when guys start having their pitch counts monitored a little more tightly and stuff, so I wouldn’t worry about the short outings
Mike Dunn: 2 IP, 5 H, 4 R, 4 ER, 0 BB, 2 K, 2-1 GB/FB – gave up two homers tonight after giving up just one all year
Josh Schmidt: 0.1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 1 K – allowed an inherited runner to score
Amaury Sanit: 1 IP, zeroes, 1 K, 2-0 GB/FB

High-A Tampa had their doubleheader with Sarasota postponed due to rain. They’re going to play two tomorrow, but I’m not sure when they’re going to make up the other game.

Low-A Charleston (10-5 loss to Greenville)
Jose Pirela & Ray Kruml: both 2 for 5, 1 K – Pirela drove in a run … Kruml drove in a run, stole two bags, scored a run & threw a runner out at home from RF
Melky Mesa: 0 for 5, 4 K
Corban Joseph: 2 for 4, 2 R, 1 HR, 2 RBI, 1 K – 9 for his last 29 (.310)
Taylor Grote & Neill French: both 0 for 4 – French K’ed twice
Abe Almonte & Chase Weems: both 1 for 3, 2 K – Abe doubled, drove in a run, scored a run, drew a walk & committed a throwing error
Mitch Abeita: 1 for 4, 1 R – ejected in the 4th for arguing balls & strikes
Garrison Lassiter: 2 for 4, 1 2B, 1 RBI, 1 K
Andrew Brackman: 3.2 IP, 0 H, 5 R, 5 ER, 8 BB, 4 K, 1 WP, 3-4 GB/FB – yeah, there’s definitely something not right here … he was fine in the first and second inning, retiring six of the first seven batters he faced, but the wheels came off after that … after walking just 18 batters in his first 50.2 IP of the year (3.20 BB/9), he’s walked 34 in his last 21.2 IP (14.12 BB/9) … bad control usually means elbow problems (low velocity = shoulder), and you almost hope he’s hurt so there’s an explanation … maybe there’s bone chips floating around in his elbow or there’s some kind of scar tissue giving him trouble
Dan Kapala: 2.1 IP, 2 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 1 K, 4-2 GB/FB – didn’t help Brackman’s line any when he allowed all three runners he inherited to scored when he served up a grand slam to the first batter he faced
Brandon Braboy: 1 IP, 3 H, 4 R, 4 ER, 1 BB, 2 K, 1 HB, 1-0 GB/FB
Edwin Walker: 2 IP, zeroes, 1 K, 1-3 GB/FB – another guy picked up off the indy ball scrap heap

Short Season Staten Island (11-0 loss to Lowell)
Jimmy Paredes & Rob Lyerly: both 1 for 2 – Lyerly was hit by a pitch
Hector Rabago: 2 for 4
Everyone Else: combined 0 for 20, 1 BB, 4 K, 2 E – DeAngelo Mack drew the walk … Chad Gross K’ed twice & committed a fielding error … Francisco Santana also committed a fielding error
Adam Warren: 2 IP, 7 H, 4 R, 2 ER, 1 BB, 3 K, 1 WP, 3-0 GB/FB – I’m sure this year’s fourth rounder isn’t happy his pro career started like this
Mike Solbach: 2 IP, 2 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 1 K, 2-3 GB/FB
Sam Elam: 1 IP, 0 H, 4 R, 4 ER, 5 BB, 0 K, 2 WP, 1 HB, 1-2 GB/FB – he makes Jason Neighborgall blush
Griffin Bailey: 2 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 0 K, 2-4 GB/FB
Gavin Brooks: 1 IP, zeroes, 1 K, 2-0 GB/FB

The Rookie GCL Yanks were rained out yet again. They’ve played just two days in the last six days, and they were both played on the same day. Not sure when they’ll make today’s doubleheader up, but they have six more series left against the GCL Blue Jays left this year, so plenty of time.

Game 77 Spillover Thread
Pettitte solid as Yanks roll past M's
  • http://www.retire21.org Mike R. – Retire 21

    No hitters for Brackman and Elam!!! Woohoo!!!!

  • Mattingly’s Love Child

    Maybe I’m crazy, but with all of the rainouts, should Scranton have any off days left? Hehe

  • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

    Thanks for the h/t Mike. Aroldis will draw a ton of interest once he clears his paperwork with MLB. You just dont find 21 year old lefties that throw 100MPH all that often.

    • Mattingly’s Love Child

      The question becomes, do the Yankees let anyone outbid them for his services? Or is the Yankees player development budget already spent?

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

        You make exceptions in special circumstances. The Yanks had a budget in the draft, but is Strasburg fell into their lap, they were taking him.

        Chapman is a special case.

        • Mattingly’s Love Child

          So the Yanks have to go all in for him then, right?

          Of course he will have to want to sign with the Yankees…..

      • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

        I’m sure the Yanks can make room for special cases like him. But it doesn’t always come down to money. The White Sox have had the inside track on Cubans lately because they have relationships with the people involved. He may not want to pitch in NY, like King Felix didn’t when he was 16. You never know.

    • Mike bk

      If he is out there it is like going after the Cuban Yu Darvish without a posting fee.

      • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

        Bingo. There’s no way he costs the 100 mil that Dice-K did, and as we now see that was a hideous investment by Theo. He could have got similar production out of any number of middling MLB starters for less than half what he spent on Matsuzaka.

        • Charlie

          True, but not any of the other middling MLB starters would have generated an entire nation to become Red Sox fans, selling their team merchandise as well as their network. Not sure when the last time any of you guys have been up to Fenway, but many of the streets are marked in Japanese now, the restaurants all around the stadium have menus written in Japanese… the contract was about much much more then a pitcher. I would bet that 100 million dollar investment has paid them back 10 fold by now.

          • pat

            I dunno about a billion dollars bro, that’s a lot of jerseys and crap.

            • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

              HE SAID TEN FOLD!!!!!

              HOW DARE YOU QUESTION HIS VERACITY!!!!

          • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

            You really think he’s brought in a BILLION dollars to the Sox? Do you know what their gross revenues are? I’ll give you a hint, they’re not a billion. They Yankees aren’t, and they’re the biggest team in baseball with a new ballpark.

            As us Yankee fans know from Matsui, these overseas marketing deals tend to be highly overrated. Estimates had the Matsui deal bringing in a few (2-3) extra mil per year.

            • Charlie

              Lol, ok so ten fold was a bit much. But he has been worth far more to the franchise then the credit you are giving him. To break into the Japanese market was big. The signing of Dice-K was more then just the on field product, that’s what I was saying. Saying that we “now see that was a hideous investment by Theo” is a nearsighted argument in my opinion. On field? Absolutely. But as you said, the Yankees were all ready over in that market, so they needed to do something to try and outshine the Yankees, and from a business sense I am sure that it has turned a high profit.

              • EB

                International merchandise income is split amongst the clubs. So every Sox jersey bought in Tokyo lines the pockets of all clubs.

  • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

    The Jesus: Thumbs up.
    Z-Mac: Thumbs in the middle.
    Dunn: Thumbs down. Rough outing for my current MiL reliever crush.

    • Jamal G.

      Eh, he did record 62% of his outs via the strikeout. ;)

      • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

        Heh, Dunn’s K numbers make me smile.

  • Mattingly’s Love Child

    At first I was struggling to figure out how Elam did what he did (4 earned runs, 5 walks, no hits), but then I saw the wp and hb….wow that is some serious lack of control. More than just “hit the bull.”

  • Jamal G.

    How a human being is allowed to walk 37 frickin’ batters in 6.2 innings, I will never understand.

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      I think my favorite line is his 2007 A ball line: 108 ERA, 108 BB/9.

      • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

        He makes Daniel Cabrera look like Greg Maddux.

    • Ivan

      How is that possible.

    • Accent Shallow

      My favorite part about that is that he has less IP than games. Clearly he’d be inserted in the game, walk two guys, get yanked. Repeat as necessary, with the occasional out and hit thrown in there.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      He had such good stuff, it was scary. Two legit 80 pitches in his fastball and slider. KLaw told me had the best fastball he’s ever seen because it was 98-99 with explosive life. Just had literally no idea where it was going.

      They tried everything with him, new delivery, pitching from the stretch, you name it. No dice.

  • AndrewYF

    I’m afraid Brackman is going the way of Neighborgall.

  • Jamal G.

    Andrew Brackman pitched a no-hitter, that’s all I care about.

    • Accent Shallow

      I bet Nolan Ryan would have let him complete it.

  • Tremont

    Time to face facts. Brackman is a super-long shot.

  • Doug

    “maybe there’s bone chips floating around in his elbow or there’s some kind of scar tissue giving him trouble”

    and yet, they keep throwing him out there. mike, have the yanks themselves made any comment at all on him?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Nope, not that I’ve seen. Could be that they don’t know something’s going on in his elbow.

      • Doug

        think now may be a good time to find out. shut him down and get an mri

  • Ivan

    Montero is a monster. The guy’s bat is just amazing. Top 5 best hitting prospects in baseball right now no?

    • Tank Foster

      I’m worried he’s just padding his stats.

  • Accent Shallow

    I wonder where Chapman ends up, and if whoever grabs him will have to dangle an MLB deal to do so.

    Jesus is just unreal. I didn’t want to get too excited after last year due to it being low A, but the kid can really hit.

    As for Brackman, maybe he’s just getting run down as it gets later in the year? Eeek.

    • Doug

      except this run started in may

      • Accent Shallow

        Yeah, but as Mike pointed out, he was fine walk-wise for his first 50 IP. His career high in innings is only 78 (in 2007, in college), so maybe he’s just not used to the grind of the season, and has been unable to get back in the groove?

        Or he’s hurt. Or he sucks. Or he’s struggling with his mechanics. Who knows.

  • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime

    My translation:

    El pitcher Aroldis Chapman abandona el equipo nacional en Holanda

    Pitcher Aroldis Chapman abandons the national team in the Netherlands

    Roger Machado, director del equipo, dijo a CUBAENCUENTRO.com que el lanzador había abandonado el hotel, pero que no podía confirmar ‘su deserción’.

    Roger Machado, director of the team, tells CUBAENCUENTRO.com that the pitcher has left the teams hotel, but that he could not confrim “his desertion”.

    El pitcher Aroldis Chapman, la mayor promesa entre los lanzadores de la Isla, abandonó el equipo nacional de béisbol que participará desde este jueves en el tradicional Torneo de Rotterdam (Holanda).

    The pitcher Aroldis Chapman, the most promising of the pitchers from the island [Cuba], abandoned the national baseball team that will participate this Thursday in the traditional Tournament of Rotterdam (Netherlands).

    “Estoy muy contento. Hasta ahora todo ha salido bien. Era un plan que yo tenía, fue una decisión que tomé. Quería probarme en ese béisbol”, afirmó Chapman a CUBAENCUENTRO.com desde una ciudad cuyo nombre no será revelado por motivos de seguridad.

    “I am very happy. Everything now has left well. There was a plan that I had, it was a decision that I took. I wanted to test myself in this baseball,” affirmed Chapman when talking to CUBENENCUENTRO.com from a city whose name will not be revealed for security wins.

    Según relató el lanzador, tras arribar a Rotterdam, a primera hora de la tarde del miércoles, decidió abandonar el hotel con la ayuda de unos amigos.

    As the pitcher narrated his tale, after arriving at Rotterdam, at one in the afternoon on Wednesday, he decidided to leave the hotel with the help of some friends.

    “Salí normal, por la puerta del hotel, y me monté en un carro. Fue fácil”, añadió. Ahora sus planes son “firmar con algún equipo y jugar en Grandes Ligas”.

    “I left normally, by the hotel door, and got into a car. It was easy,” he added. Now his plans are “sign with some team and play in the Major Leagues”.

    Roger Machado, director del equipo nacional, dijo a este sitio, en la madrugada del jueves (hora central europea), que Chapman había abandonado el hotel, pero que no podía confirmar “su deserción”.

    Roger Machado, director of the national team, told this site, at daybreak on Thursday (central European time), that Chapman had left the hotel, but that he could not confirm “his desertions”.

    “No ha llegado al hotel desde que salió”, apuntó Machado, y además declinó adelantar el lanzador que utilizaría el jueves frente a Taiwán, en sustitución del holguinero.

    “He has not come back to the hotel since leaving,” said Machado, and then declined to [hasten?] that the pitcher he would use on Thursday was heading to Taiwan, in substitution of [the holguinero] holguinero seems to be the adjective form for someone from Holguin, ie, like Italian or Englishman. Holguín is a Cuban province. I don’t quite understanded the part about Taiwain.

    Chapman, que posee una recta que alcanza las 100 millas por hora, tiene 21 años de edad. Nació en el municipio de Frank País, provincia de Holguín.

    Chapman, who possesses a [pitch?] that he throws at 100 MPH, is 21 years old. He was born in the town of Frank País, in the province of Holguin.

    Cuba lleva a Rotterdam un plantel renovado de 24 jugadores, ahora 23, en el que sobresalen cuatro subcampeones olímpicos de Pekín y cinco miembros del equipo que asistió al II Clásico Mundial.

    Cuba arrives in Rotterdam with a renovated roster of 24 players, now 23, that participated in the fourth [baseball] olympic championships in Beijing, and five members of the team that attended the second World Baseball Classic”

    Any errors are my own.

    • Charlie

      Wow, you really spent all that time doing that??

      • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime

        Took about fifteen minutes.

        • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

          Bien hecho, señorita.

    • pat

      Becca, google translated the whole darn thing babe.

      • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime

        Fuck Google, I used my handy Random House Spanish-English dictionary, which I didn’t really need.

        My issue isn’t individual words, it’s colloquial phrases with which I am not familiar.

        • pat

          Hahaha

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      Can we add Rebecca’s Spanish translations to the drinking game qualification?

      • Mattingly’s Love Child

        Most definitely.

      • BklynJT

        Just seeing how long it took me to scroll past that post made me want to drink my ass off.

        • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime

          Yeah, well someone liked it…

    • Drew

      Muchos Gracias Rebecca.

    • http://anewfrontier.wordpress.com Pablo Zevallos

      declinó adelantar el lanzador que utilizaría el jueves frente a Taiwán

      He declined to rush the pitcher whom he would use Thursday against Taiwan

      recta

      fastball

      I heart this translation.

      • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime

        =)

  • Charlie

    Montero is fucking ridiculous, do the yanks promote him if he continues to destroy AA or would that hurt his development?

    • Ivan

      Chances are they keep him for the rest of the season in Trenton. If he ever was promoted to AAA it will be for a cup of tea.

      • Doug

        we all know he can hit. promotion for him is going to come down to his work behind the plate

        • Charlie

          fuck the defense. Just let the guy DH or something. He’s ridiculous, can’t let his defense slow him down.

          • Doug

            well, since the yanks are insistent right now that he be a catcher, i’d say defense is gonna slow him down

          • Ed

            If a full season in AAA next year lets him catch in the majors when Posada’s contract runs out, he’s worth a fortune to the team. If you think there’s a reasonable chance he can stay at catcher, you have to try it.

            • Zach

              I see him like VMart, hes not winning gold gloves or anything but his bat forces the team to put him in the lineup

          • Giuseppe Franco

            You can’t fuck the defense. You can’t have a 20 year old DH in the lineup everyday with the A-Rods, Jeters, and Posadas of the world playing the field.

            Montero is going to mash wherever he plays. I’m not even concerned about his bat. I want to see him improve his defense behind the plate and calling games.

            • Charlie

              yea, i was joking about fucking the defense. But really, its unlikely that he’ll stay at catcher from what i’ve heard. I’d move him to a corner OF spot sooner than later

              • Giuseppe Franco

                Um, no.

                He stays at catcher until he proves without a shadow of a doubt that he can’t be a major league catcher.

                His value is so much higher if he sticks behind the plate than anywhere else on the field.

                • JobaWockeeZ

                  Completely agree. It’s too early to tell if he can be a catcher or not so moving him to a corner OF makes no sense whatsoever when, as said, as a catcher provides more value. Working on his defense is a priority because a catcher that can hit like that with good defense would make an unbelievable talented catcher. Better than saying “No I want Montero nao” and sticking him in the OF especially since good hitting catchers are somewhat hard to come by.

                • Tank Foster

                  He also starts trashing his back and his knees faster as a catcher than any other position. I like him as an outfielder.

          • JobaWockeeZ

            Fuck the defense? The kid is 19! He needs to continue working on it. I’d rather have him be an effective catcher than a DH and that will take time to learn. Patience.

          • Charlie

            Seriously, you have asked me to change my name from Charlie numerous times. I did. However, your posts give the name Charlie a bad name. Therefore, I reclaim it. All the cursing and sorry jokes have shamed the name Charlie.

      • Matt M.

        cup of tea because he’s probably too young to enjoy his ‘cup of coffee’ at the next level.

        19 in AA …maybe we’re even talking hot chocolate

    • crawdaddie

      Montero stays in Trenton and then plays in AFL this Fall.

      • Reggie C.

        Full season ball is enough work for Montero. He doesnt need the extra reps in that punishing AZ sun. Kid’s gotta have downtime you know..

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

          I’d like to see him play in the AzFL. He split a good chunk of time behind the plate with Romine, and he won’t be playing every day in Arizona.

          He could put up some stupid good numbers in that league.

          • Reggie C.

            Alright but Eric Duncan won the MVP trophy several summers ago. AZ doesnt help out one bit.

            • Accent Shallow

              Well, it’s a silly hitter’s league, but that doesn’t mean he couldn’t benefit from time spent there. I’d tend to agree with you though, err on the side of caution, and send the kid home for the winter.

            • whozat

              Wow, that’s completely true.

              Success in the AzFL guarantees nothing, true.

              However, saying that playing in a league with many of the best prospects around the league doesn’t help is just ignorant. What, is it going to HURT?

              • whozat

                false. That’s completely false. dammit.

              • Miles Roche

                Yeah, it might hurt. Don’t forget that Montero doesn’t split time with Romine behind the plate anymore. An almost full season of catching is taxing enough — no need to risk overextending him.

          • ArodMVP217 Retire 51

            there would be a couple other catcher prospects on his afl team, anyway. He could also learn a thing or two defensively from said catchers, in theory.

          • Rick in Boston

            The more reps (even if it’s only once or twice a week) that Montero can get in the AzFL will help his development behind the plate. That’s all the Yankees will ask him to concentrate on.

    • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

      What’s scary is you don’t expect the power to show up this fast. A-AA is the biggest jump in a player’s development, I’d be perfectly happy if he just hit for a nice BA for the rest of this year, but he’s killing the ball.

      • Doug

        and he’s not striking out at all….only 6 in 72 ABs…ridiculous!

      • Ivan

        When the yanks sign him, they said he had 80 power, what surprise me is how good of a pure hitter he is.

    • ArodMVP217 Retire 51

      honestly, probably not. His bat seems to handle AA fine, albeit in a small sample size.

      Catching is relatively the same. league is not. less athletes, but better baserunners on the basepaths. Pitchers are less wild. It is appearing that he is a generational prospect, and the Yankees really haven’t had one since the Mick with some others

      However, You can’t go wrong with letting a 19 y/o finish up AA

  • Charlie

    Yea, and the way Brackman is pitching with Betances hurt, I really think we can’t trade McAllister. One of our only promising young starters going strong.

    • Drew

      What about IPK!

      • Charlie

        I don’t know, he’s injured and overrated. Seems like he could be a AAAA guy.

        • Stryker

          shhhhhhhhhhhhhh watch what you say! if shelley duncan hears you he’ll go on a twitter tirade and call you a piece of shit!

  • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime

    And, as I said earlier, I was brought up to not believe in Jesus and that Jesus was a fantasy, yadda yadda.

    Well, I can tell you 23 years later that I now firmly believe in Jesus.

    He’s a catcher with the Trenton Thunder.

    • Accent Shallow

      And just like that, organizational pitching depth becomes “What depth?”

      • Accent Shallow

        Whoops. This should have been a reply to the comment about McAllister/Brackman/Betances above this one.

  • Ivan

    Sometimes there are games like this whn u say to ur self, “Will Brackman ever get it”

    • Mr.Jigginz

      “Will Brackman ever get it?”Or “When in Rome…”Either one will suffice.

  • yanke1313

    Come on Brack-attack.

  • crawdaddie

    Chapman won’t sign with a team until early next year. The process of establishing residence and MLB confirming his age will slow up his signing.

  • Jake H

    That brackman line is scary. I want them to look to see if he is hurt.

    Montero is just a beast. Callis in his espn chat said he is in hte top 10 of best hitters in the minors period.

  • Tank the Frank

    Injury or no injury, you can’t continue to run Brackman out there after these results IMO. He’s already nearing the end of his innings limitations I would imagine. Skip his start, get him checked out top to bottom. Like Mike said, there almost HAS to be something wrong here. The Yankees have a lot of money and a roster spot invested in this kid.

    If he turns out 100 percent, then let him finish out his starts, maybe get a little confidence going.

  • Mr.Jigginz

    I know that Jairo Heredia is on the DL,but does anybody know why,or how serious the injury is?I mean,I haven’t really heard ANYTHING about him all year.

    • pat

      He’s been playing in games in the minor league complex. Against who I don’t know but he’s been pitching.

    • Reggie C.

      Yanks are being reeeeaaalllly tight lipped re: Jairo Heredia. Nobody outside of that complex knows what ails Heredia. i mean the minor league season is at least one-third over and Heredia still hasn’t stepped on a mound in ANY league??

      Organizational depth has taken a hit: Norton, heredia, Brackman, and Betances…. yikes.

  • b/c

    Dan Bard had a year like Brackmans last year and he’s fine now… i remember loving being vindictive bout his lines but he’s come all the way now. Add to the blond hair red sox stereotype

    • Reggie C.

      Was Bard this wild? I know he gave up a ton of hits and BBs were an issue, but Brackman seems to lose all sense of the strike zone.

      And besides , the RS turned Bard into a ‘pen weapon. I think we gotta see Brackman able to work out his issues , but I agree with others on this thread that the Yanks should re-examine Brackman’s shoulder and elbow.

      Brackman better not be hiding an injury. That’d be so stupid on his part…

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

        Bard in 2007: 75 IP, 76 H, 78 BB

        • Doug

          that’s maddux control compared to brackman recently

        • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

          Holy hell.

        • Reggie C.

          Damn yo……

          Bard’s squad must’ve dreaded his outings.

      • Steve H

        Bard was actually much more wild. 78 bb’s in 75 innings in 2007. Brack is at 52 in 72 innings. There’s still hope.

    • Accent Shallow

      A hilarious study in prospect-watching:

      Cashman took a beating for taking Kennedy over Bard, since Bard throws 100 MPH. Kennedy then proceeded to obliterate the minors and debut in the majors, while Bard struggled. Cashman gets lots of credit. Kennedy then proceeds to suck in the majors, get injured, and tear up AAA, while Bard makes progress in the minors. Now, Bard’s having success in the Sox pen (I’ve seen mixed reviews from scouting reports, ranging from “This guy has future closer all over him” to “Straight fastball, no secondary pitches”), while Kennedy is injured, and Cashman is taking barbs again. Heh.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

        I didn’t like the Kennedy pick at the time. Of course I wanted them to take Betances with that pick, so what do I know.

  • CB

    By the end of this season Montero’s bat very well could make AAA largely irrelevant.

    When they come this fast the last major challenge is AA. Montero shows still shows a slight reverse platoon split, especially on his power numbers. That is going to correct. Without the usual difficulty handling breaking pitches the marginal improvements in off speed he’s likely to see in AAA aren’t going to be a huge deal. His strike zone command is so advanced that the pitchability guys in AAA like the veterans with MLB experience aren’t going to be the major challenges that the are for most guys who move very fast.

    Montero’s major challenge with the bat is going to be AA. He’s 19. The last player I can remebver do anything like this was Miguel Cabrera and he was 20 when he hit AA. Justin Upton, Jay Bruce, etc. got to AA quick but they paused there and had to adjust.

    Montero was fantastic in low A last year. But he exploded in winter ball and hasn’t stopped.

    • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime

      Man I got goosebumps reading that

      • Tank Foster

        It’s why I’d rather he be an OF/DH than a catcher. I know a great hitting catcher is a huge asset, but when you have a once in a generation level hitter, I don’t think you want to shorten and weaken his career by trashing his body as a catcher.

    • Reggie C.

      Montero’s power surge will tail off. Lets see what kind of line he’s sporting at the end of the season. If the dude finishes anywhere around .300/.400/.500 , then we can pretty much expect Montero to see the new YS before all-star break 2010.

      • CB

        It’s not his power surge. This will pass. It’s his rate of contact and ability to make hard contact consistently across levels and his strike zone command. Yes he hasn’t been in AA that long but he’s getting close to 80 at bats and that’s not a miniscule sample anymore. He’s struck out 6 times. He’s getting close to having more HR than K’s.

        Compare what Montero is doing to what Mike Stanton is doing. Stanton’s hitting .200 with a .600 OPS. That’s what you expect from a 19 year old in his first 100 at bats at AA.

  • b/c

    K this is a little off topic but it has to do with a former yankee prospect in gardner. Fangraphs tells me that gardner has been a better this year than joson bay cuz of defense and position, that cant be true can it!?

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      Hehe, that’s kind of amusing. Actually, it’s really amusing.

      • b/c

        i laughed, but more in the incredulous tone..he’s been 8 times more valuable than Ortiz which is also cool and twice as good as ellsbury who is 4 times as valuable as Ortiz. I think the methodology may be flawed in that you only have the 9 spots on the field so the positional adjustments may be too drastic. Then again tis not my formula..

        • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

          Well, there is an adjustment for DH and it’s the most negative. Gardner’s boost comes from his fielding and his position, but his hitting has been quite good lately.

  • pat

    Sandoval … ouch.

    • pat

      OOps wrong thread my bad.

  • Jake K.

    Mike, where would Aroldis Chapman fit into the Yanks’ top 10 prospects? Can you give me a reasonable comp?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      High, probably #2 at worst. That is a special, special arm.

      • Jake K.

        Wow. Hope they can sign him.

      • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime

        Holy fuck SIGN THIS GUY // Me’d.

        • Jake K.

          It wouldn’t surprise me to see the Yanks open up the vault for this kid, what with Brackman’s implosion, Betances not making much progress, and the failure to sign Cole. The system needs a big arm with some probability.

          • pat

            Dude even if we had the top 10 prospects in baseball we should open the vault for every top talent available.

    • pat

      He would be #2 behind Montero.

    • Reggie C.

      I just bothered clicking the video clip. Look at that long frame!! Dude still has physical projection!! Chapman gets the benefit of the doubt with his stuff and international exposure and i’d rank him ahead of any pitcher we have in the farm. I guess i’d put him #3 behind only Montero and Jackson.

  • Jamal G.

    Colby Rasmus to Albert Pujols on-deck: http://tinyurl.com/myz2v4

    • gio

      yeah, but rasmus didn’t strike out, he homered…i don’t get it

  • Dorian

    It seems as if Chapman has had the opportunity to work with Melvin during his career. This explains the unbelievable talent.

  • Jersey

    Hooray Yankees.

  • billbybob

    How about Jose Pirela? Very little power, but hitting for average and getting on base at a good clip. Should we be excited?

    • whozat

      Certainly not at this stage.

    • http://www.retire21.org Mike R. – Retire 21

      You can be cautiously optimistic.

  • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime

    I think tomorrow I might do a blog post where in I compare Jesus Montero at this stage of development to some of the game’s best hitters.

    I’m thinking Pujols, Cabrera…who else?

    I have Hanley, Mauer…who else? What d’ya think?

    • Reggie C.

      Piazza.

      Righty hitter. (how many consecutive +.300 seasons did he have again?)
      Power. (unmatched. i like Mauer, but lets see him do for more than 1 month)
      Catcher. (never a good one)
      DH. (could’ve played his whole career as DH in the AL, and Piazza would still be a HoF candidate)

      • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime

        Best one I’ve seen yet.

      • Ivan

        If Jesus Montero can hit like Piazza or even Cabrera, with avg D, that’s a top 5 player in baseball.

    • ArodMVP217 Retire 51

      Vlad as a floor?

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

        A floor? Vlad was a 40-40 guy.

        • pat

          Montero can easily be a 40-40 guy. 40 homeruns before the allstar break and 40 after.

          • K.B.D.

            IETC.

        • ArodMVP217 Retire 51

          meaning progression in the minors. should have specified

  • Henry the 8th (I am, I am)

    I understand that Montero has quite the bat but his catching is suspect. I guess we should slide him in to the pen and have him pitch the eighth inning.

    • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime

      !

    • The Fallen Phoenix

      IETC.

  • Teix is the Man

    Post the link when you do it =)

    • Teix is the Man

      wow..major fail; that was in response to rebecca’s montero idea

      • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime

        I will. Follow me on twitter @rebecca_glass

  • Dorian

    McAllister/Nova/Wang/Kontos/De La Rosa WOW what a staff… but check out the bullpen

    Hughes/Chamberlain/Champman/Betances/Banuelos That is the way you utilize your assets. (I pray to MO that I have to worry about people complaining about Chapman in the pen)

  • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

    To answer everyone’s question on Chapman, the two Cubans that just cleared took 11 months for all the paperwork to go through.

    http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/?p=4798

    He will likely set up residence in the DR or Mexico, then wait for months and months for his paperwork to go through. Figure he’s about a year away.

  • http://www.pinstripealley.com/ Travis G.

    Mike, assuming Brackman’s healthy, at what point do they make him a full time reliever? (dont shoot me, just a hypothetical.)

    should they have done that with Garcia? would that have prevented any of his injuries?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      I honestly have no idea. I’d like to see them let him ride out this year and at least next year.

      As far as Garcia, I’m of the belief that relieving is more dangerous than starting since the usage patterns are unpredictable. Starters are work on set a schedule and have a set regimen.

      • ledavidisrael

        I believe your making an assumption about his body type.

        What if he doesn’t have the legs or stamina for a lot of long outings , but can handle the shorter outings and unpredictable use?

        One thing is clear the whole starting thing hasn’t worked out well.

        They might need to look over his work out regimen or someshit.

    • The Fallen Phoenix

      In my opinion, I don’t think you move Brackman to the bullpen fulltime until his last (or second-to-last) option year if he’s fully healthy and still struggling in the minors…that is to say, at the last possible moment.

      Unless he’s truly epically bad, like Bard was in the rotation (and honestly, Brackman hasn’t been that bad yet, recent struggles notwithstanding).

      And it’s hard, sometimes, to say whether an arm like Garcia’s will be healthier in the bullpen or in the rotation. I think if a pitcher like that isn’t durable, I’m not sure putting him in the bullpen would make a difference – it’s not an issue of innings quantity, after all.

    • pat

      Garcia = Elijah Price.

  • RollingWave

    Miguel Cabrera never hit like this in the minors.

    But I’m withholding judgement until I see him in the majors. after all, Matt Weiters hit like this in the minors… but he hasn’t quiet adjusted to the majors yet

  • nycornerstones

    bring him up now dh him between tex and arod, arod was only 19 when he came up, baseballs next natural !

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Benjamin Kabak

    A musing on Brackman’s situation. Maybe I’ll flesh this out next week:

    Generally, the 30th pick in the draft does not make it far. Since 1996 when the D-Backs and Rays entered the draft, the 30th picks are a largely unimpressive bunch. Not a big surprise if Brackman fails.

    (For comparison’s sake, from 1992-1995, the 28th pick was last in the draft, and before that, from 1977-1991, it was the 26th pick. The success rates of the last draft pick of the first round are spectacularly low.)

    • K.B.D.

      True. But doesn’t the magnitude of a draftee’s bonus correlate pretty highly with a players first 6 year WAR? FanGraphs did an article about something along those lines if I remember correctly.

      • K.B.D.

        Point being that Brackman received a $3.35 million bonus, a value much larger than most players drafted in that position receive.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Benjamin Kabak

          Right. I gotcha. I’ll have to look into that one. I still think the last pick is reserved for those high risk/high reward types, and generally, they don’t amount to much.

  • RollingWave

    A question.

    I keep looking at Montero’s # and trying to come up with comps in more recent years. most are obviously good / great. but there is one guy that sticks out to me.

    Billy Butler.

    Like Montero Butler basically destoryed everything up to AA by age 20. But at least so far he hasn’t really panned out in the majors. sure, there are a few reason I can think of , but this name still scares me a little.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Benjamin Kabak

      You don’t need to get all Red Sox and Mets on us. There are plenty of guys who dominated AA at his age and went on to have very successful careers. How about this guy, for one?

      • http://deleted RollingWave

        I hope he ends up a HOF catcher. but I’m just trying to hold back the expectations a bit….

        I’m pretty sure most guys that dominate AA at age 20 ended up good or great. but Butler sticks out a bit as a large right hander that can hit for average and power and walk that didn’t really pan out.

        • V

          Eh, it’s a bit early to call Butler a bust, no?

          • http://deleted RollingWave

            that’s true too. but for a guy who has just one tool it would be nice if he can hit more than his 100 OPS+ in 3 (partial) seasons.

            If Jesus comes up for 3 season and hit like that as a DH. he’s gone.

    • Rob in CT

      Eek. Well, comfort yourself by remembering you’re talking about a prospect “developed” by the Royals.

  • Sam

    Montero’s backyard baseball comp right now is Pablo Sanchez with an Aluminum Power Bat. Sure, he didn’t have a position, but he was always the best player in that game.