• Miek R. – Retire 21

    I just heard on the news that Steve McNair was killed. Crazy!

    • Little Bill

      Very sad news. Reports are all over the place- murder-suicide, double homicide, the girl dead is his wife or girlfriend, who knows what happened.

      • Jake H

        It is extremely crazy. McNair was a very good player and from all reports a great person.

  • Little Bill

    Hughes is a starter.

    • Salty Buggah

      who said he isn’t?

      • Little Bill

        I just went over to LOLHud and they’re having the same argument we had about Joba! “Hughes is so dominant in that 8th inning. Who else could pitch there?” It’s the same argument! Hughes is more valuable as a starting pitcher, period.

        I realize he can’t start right away, but they can have him shadow Mitre for now to stretch his arm out. Bring up Alby or Melancon and trade for a reliever by the deadline.

        • Salty Buggah

          Ah, I’m not surprised at all. You shouldn’t listen to those commentators.

        • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

          Its really not the same argument.

          -In Joba’s case, you have a 4-pitch pitcher with #1 upside.

          -In Hughes case, you have a 2-pitch pitcher with #2-3 upside.

          -Hughes has a history of being very injury prone, where Joba hadn’t.

          I’m not saying Phil should stay in the bullpen long term, but he’s been much better out of the bullpen than he was as a starter this year.

          • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

            I’ll post this again, Hughes isn’t all that hard to replace as a starter.

            As a starter 3-2 5.45 ERA, 34.2 IP, 37 H, 15 BB, WHIP 1.52

            As a reliever 0-0 1.32 ERA, 13.2 IP, 6 H, 3 BB, WHIP 0.68

            Could Tomko or Mitre give us that as a 5th starter? Yes.

            Could anyone else reproduce those numbers in the bullpen? Maybe a healthy Brian Bruney, but we haven’t seen him since last year.

            • V

              Wow. Talk about small sample size alerts! Check out his starting ERA, oh, starting after the horrendous Baltimore outing. He was rounding into form, then bam, yanked from the rotation.

              It’s like everyone forgets that Texas outing and pretends it doesn’t exist. The d00d can be an amazing starter if given the chance.

              • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

                You cite small sample sizes, then back up your ‘argument’ about how good he is with one start against Texas.

                You’re too stupid to even argue with.

                • Stephen

                  Great Argument; Name calling is always the best way to win a debate!

                  While it may not be as cut and dry as the Joba case, the Yankees should think of Hughes as a starter until he proves he can’t do it. He JUST turned 23 and you’re ready to write him off as a starter? Anyway, a good 2-3 starter is MUCH more valuable than a dominant 8th inning guy. If Phil Hughes can be a good 2 or 3 starter, then that’s what he should be.

          • Ivan

            Actually Hughes 3 plus pitches with his FB, Curveball and Cutter with very good command. His stuff seem to be at the level at 06. Besides whats wrong with a #2 starter? That’s a potential front-line pitcher.

            • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

              A cutter is just a variation on the fastball, as is a 2-seamer (which sinks) or the 4-seamer (which ‘rises’). Hughes throws all 3 variations on the fastball. If you want to count his 3 fastballs then he’s technically a 4 pitch pitcher, but that’s not how most people in Baseball look at these things.

              Also, there’s nothing wrong with being a #2. I just don’t think Phil is there yet. I think he will be, and I view him as a starter long term. But for this year he’s been far more effective out of the bullpen, and that’s really not disputable.

              • Ivan

                Would he be as Valuable though? To me Hughes would be more valuable as a starter than a reliever.

                • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

                  He can effect more games out of the bullpen, and with a shaky Bruney leading into Mo I think its best we leave things as is. You’d be losing Phil’s contributions for a month+ for 1-2 starts, and then jerking him around by sticking him right back in the pen. It’s just not worth it.

                • V

                  Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb.

              • V

                Um, isn’t that what Halladay does? Sinker, cutter, 4 seamer, etc.?

                • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist
                • RichYF

                  Insult the argument, not the person. Both of you.

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

                  Thank you RichYF, you beat me to it.

                • The Prototype

                  This is a bit ridiculous. If it is not okay for Joba to be in the bullpen, which isn’t, it is not okay for Hughes to be a reliever.

                  I don’t see how The Artist has lost so much faith in Hughes. 2-3 upside? Please, it’s all semantics. Is Matt Cain an ace or a 2?

                  I’ll take Phil Hughes to be as good as that anyday. There are few “1’s” in the league, but many “2 or 3’s” that happen to be great pitchers.

                • Andrew

                  It’s pretty obvious that in the long run… Hughes is more valuable as a starter. For THIS YEAR, however, he’s clearly more valuable as a reliever. Arguments otherwise are ridiculous.

                • V

                  Oh, lookie, The Artist – Fastball, cutter, curveball. Oh, I think, yes, that sounds EERILY similar to Mr. Hughes’ repertoire.

                  Wow. You’re BRILLIANT. You did my job for me.

              • Gordon

                A.J. Burnett only has two pitches, would you rather he pitched out of the bp?

        • YankeeJosh

          I was there arguing for Hughes to start but I fear my voice was lost in the Hughes to the pen movement.

          If Wang is out an extended period of time, the Yanks are making a huge mistake if they don’t move Hughes back to the rotation.

  • http://www.facebook.com/dougchu Doug

    I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Gonna kick some ass in the USA. Gonna climb a mountain, gonna sew a flag, gonna fly on an eagle.

    I’m gonna kick some butt, gonna drive a big truck. I’m gonna rule this world. I’m gonna kick some ass. I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. ROCK FLAG AND EAGLE!

    • Dayman, fighter of the Nightman

      ROCK, FLAG, AND EAGLE, BABY!!!!!!

  • Rebecca from ze ipod

    Game was fun pie fake out at the end was amazing. Can’t believe abou mcnair

  • Salty Buggah

    All of the HRs today would have been HRs at the old YS and Derek Jeter lost a HR that would have gone out in the old Stadium with his long fly to center.

  • http://forums.projectcovo.com/images/smilies/e6omir.gif OmgZombies!

    1 game back of the division thats teh awesome. Man if we won even 2 games from the Red Sox we would be in first. The 0-8 says alot more about the Red Sox than the Yanks.

    • Zach

      It’s kind of tough to say anything about Boston considering they are 8-0 against NY, but you do have a point.

      Yanks are 47-25 against their other opponents, Red Sox are 40-32 against there’s. But who knows, Yankees still have to go out West twice later in the season, while Boston is done with their WC trip.

    • YankeeJosh

      Exactly. Yanks should have won 2 games too, the firstone with the Mo blown save and the last with CC pitching.

  • Dela G

    Let’s hope the yankees can turn up the heat on the sox. They are going to wilt in the second half i think and end up in 2nd by 3 games

  • Tom Zig

    Can we also get a Happy 79th Birthday to George “The Boss” Steinbrenner III?

    • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

      Born on the Fourth? True Yankee(tm) from birth.

      Big props and many thanks George!!!

    • thurdonpaul

      Happy Birthday Boss

    • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

      ..and to everybody’s favorite announcer John Sterling.

  • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

    Just in case nobody noticed, were 1 game out in the loss column.

  • Jake H

    Happy 4th. Hopefully another good day for the farm tonight.

  • CloseTheDoor42

    Wang to DL…’sigh’…do you think they’ll move Hughes to the rotation or will they use a minor league call-up?

    http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/07/04/wang-injury-update/

    • Little Bill

      Minor league call up for now, then Hughes for the rest of the season. It makes the most sense.

      • CloseTheDoor42

        I agree the AS break would allow Hughes time to build up some stamina and raise his pitch count.

    • Ivan

      Well it seem most likely that it’s one spot start on Thurs with probably Mitre. Then After that, once Hughes gets stretch out, it would be him.

      I wouldn’t put it past the yanks to use Hughes on Thurs on a pitch count of 80 pitches.

      • Zach

        “I wouldn’t put it past the yanks to use Hughes on Thurs on a pitch count of 80 pitches.”

        You mean this upcoming Thurs? Girardi said Hughes limit right now is 40

        • Ivan

          When did he said that?

          • Zach

            Postgame conference

  • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

    “He is headed for the DL with what is being described as a strain with bursitis. But everybody seems to think that he will be back within a month.”

    http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/07/04/wang-injury-update/

    OK, now we know a bit more about the time frame were dealing with. 3-4 weeks means that by the time Hughes is stretched out, Wang’s ready to return. So the ‘Hughes back to the rotation’ debate is pointless.

    We have one start to fill before the AS Break, and 1-2 after that. It’s going to be Tomko, Mitre or Aceves as a longshot possibility.

    • CloseTheDoor42

      Could we possibly see Igawa make the start before the AS break and then Aceves, Hughes or Tomko after that? That could give either play enough time to work on building up their pitch counts pretty significantly.

      • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

        No. Why would you do that?

        It will take Hughes 3-4 starts (2-3 weeks) to get stretched out to be able to give you 6 innings. Wang is expected back in 3-4 weeks, at which point Hughes would go back to the bullpen.

        Why would you want to jerk Hughes back and forth like that? You’re just begging for him to get hurt.

        • CloseTheDoor42

          Hughes will need to get his innings eventually. He IS a starter not a reliever and there is no guarantee Wang will be back that fast. Setbacks happen all the time for rehabbing players, look at Nady. Plus Hughes has gotten some confidence and learned some aggressiveness in the pen which will go a long way in his evolution as a starting pitcher.

          • YankeeJosh

            Exactly! You can’t count on Wang being back soon and Hughes is the best and only long term solution.

          • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

            Even if Wang gets delayed by a week or two it’s still not worth it. You’ll lose 6 weeks of Hughes in the bullpen for 1-2 starts.

            To use your own argument, can you give any ‘guarantees’ that Bruney will stay healthy? We haven’t seen the healthy 2008 Bruney yet, and you’re moving our main setup guy out of the bullpen for a month and a half to give Phil 2 starts. Phil could help us win more games out of the bullpen over the next 6 weeks than he can pitching 2 games.

            • CloseTheDoor42

              It won’t take Hughes a full month to increase his pitch count from 40 to 100. It wasn’t that long ago that he was starting. As for Bruney, he is not the only guy out there in the pen who we can rely on to get outs in the 8th inning and Hughes wasn’t either. Coke and Aceves have both stepped up and have proved that they can do the job. Cashman has also been looking into relievers like Huston Street who can fill that 8th inning role. Hughes will be starting sometime this season because he needs to get innings in order to progress as a pitcher. If we are going to keep Hughes in the bullpen all year we will be forcing Hughes to take a step back and it will hurt the team in the long run. He needs innings and if he’s not going to get them here its better off in the long run that we send him back to Scranton.

              • CloseTheDoor42

                And from the looks of it Cashman has been shopping Wang.

              • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

                You’re really trying to force things into what you want to see happen, not looking at things as they are. You can keep pushing that square peg all you want, it still doesn’t fit.

                Hughes can get another 40 innings in Puerto Rico winter ball. That’s the least of our worries, we’re in the middle of a pennant race right now with the 3 best teams in Baseball in our division. His progress will not be impeded one bit, and the extra MLB experience he’s getting now will HELP him down the road.

        • Zach

          i dont think we can assume hes coming back in a month without even doing an MRI

          • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist
            • Zach

              oh ok, but still i think within a month is an optimistic timeline

              • Zach

                a pitcher they had coming off a foot injury that they didnt fully rehab, then brought him up too soon when he finally went down to rehab. he had major shoulder surgery in the past, and missed 2 months (yes i know he said it wasnt the same pain level).

                Are they only going let him rest for one week? if thats all then why not just skip one start? if you sit him for 2 weeks, then you’re saying hes going to rehab in only 1-2 weeks?

        • Little Bill

          Wang will be back in a month or start rehabbing in a month? If he’s out a month, then it’ll take time for him to come back and stretch out. So why not just start the process with Hughes now and let him take over?

          Wang can get back in AAA and if they need him they put him in the pen or they start him for Joba if they don’t want Joba going over 150 innings.

          • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

            Geez Louise DOES ANYBODY FUCKING READ AROUND HERE?

            • Little Bill

              DO YOU READ? HUGHES IS A STARTER! CASHMAN WILL GO OUT AND GET ANOTHER RELIEVER!

              • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

                From where?

                I’d love to hear your trade proposals, assuming you’ve actually thought this through, which I doubt.

                • The Prototype

                  John Grabow for Clagget and Eric Duncan.

                • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

                  John Grabow?

                  http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?playerId=5864

                  He might be a replacement for Marte, but not Hughes.

                • The Prototype

                  Hughes is technically replacing MArte. Because, if Marte was healthy and pitching well, Hughes would not be in the pen.

                  Hughes as a 5, and Grabow as a reliever>>>>>>>>Mitre/Tomko as the 5 and Hughes as a reliever, IMHO.

        • Billy

          i think its more like 2-3 starts for hughes to get stretched out. it would be the same amount for tomko or aceves. i think these are the most likely options for thursday’s start:
          1) mitre
          big gap
          2)hughes or aceves
          big gap
          3)tomko

          i hope that tomko never makes a start for the yanks, and frankly, never pitches for them again (not likely to happen soon). for now, hughes and aceves will shadow mitre.

          • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

            No, its really 4 starts. I was being generous saying 3-4.

            Right now, he could give you about 3 innings or 50 pitches. To get him to start, he would need to be up to 80-90. You can add roughly 10 each time out. That’s 4 starts.

            Plus, for the 2 MLB games that many people seem Hell-bent on having him start, he would be pitch limit of 90-100 pitches. So he would likely be a 5 or 6 inning pitcher for those 2 magical starts.

            • Billy

              maybe you’re right. who do you think makes the start on thursday, mitre? he seems like the most logical option

              • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

                Yeah, that would be my guess. Cash was going to look at him when he made the detour to Atlanta, so he’s on the organization’s radar.

            • CloseTheDoor42

              That would be two starts if of course if Wang is healthy, still on the team and performing at 2006-2008 level. The main argument to move Hughes from the pen is not for him to make 2 starts until Wang comes back but to keep him at the inning level he needs to reach to progress to the next level. It was going to happen eventually, Wang’s injury is just a good opportunity.

              • Little Bill

                Exactly! I don’t think Wang will return to the starting rotation on the same level. You put Hughes back into the rotation and it’s better for this year and beyond. Wang can come back slowly this time and fill in for Joba or help in the bullpen. Cash will get another bullpen arm. Hughes is a starter.

            • Chris

              They add 20 pitches per start (at least in spring training).

              • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

                Of course, which is why pitchers are throwing 160 pitches per start by the end of March.

              • Little Bill

                Yep. It’ll only take a couple weeks for Hughes to get stretched out. Have him shadow Mitre for his next start and stretch him out! This isn’t that complicated. Hughes is your best starting option now. BUT HE’S SO GOOD IN THAT 8TH INNING AND NO ONE ELSE CAN PITCH IT!!!!! Bullpen arms are a dime a dozen. With a little more time, Bruney is that guy. Coke, Aceves, Robertson, trade for somebody. A starter is harder to replace than a reliever.

  • Billy

    Girardi should move Cano in the lineup if he doesnt fix his RISP slump

    • steve (different one)

      Girardi’s face in the 12th inning told me this might happen, like tomorrow.

      • Billy

        it did look like that. i would probably give him a couple more games in that spot. taking him out now might hurt his confidence. maybe he should ask cano where he’d like to bat

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

    Anyone who thinks Joba is the only young pitcher that has trouble throwing strikes needs to turn on the MLB Network.

    • Zach

      David Price is a STARTING PITCHAAAA

      • Billy

        it was hilarious when hughes first moved to the bullpen. francesa was against it cuz “hughes is a starting pitcha”

    • Ivan

      Price control since being promoted has been down right awful.

      • Zach

        its been 6.1 BB9 this season, it was 4.7 BB9 in AAA, which isnt good either. Last year in AAA it was 4.5 BB9

        And Tim Lincecum had 4 BB9 during his first season

    • http://and-that-happened.blogspot.com Evan

      Took the words out of my mouth. Kershaw is another one (5.34 BB/9).

      • Zach

        averaging 5.1 IP/ start

  • Billy

    it said on espn rumors that the yanks are eyeing grabow. i wouldnt give up much for him and would rather try kroenke (even thoug people say he’s lucky), melancon, and romulo sanchez than go and get a mediocre middle reliever. those guys may turn out to be mediocre, but the yanks should at least give them an opportunity.

    • Mr.Jigginz

      I wonder if that means that they don’t expect Marte back and want another lefty?

      • Billy

        no one has any idea when marte will be back, so that could be the reason. there’s no timetable for his return. i looked up grabow’s numbers, theyre decent 3.65 era this year had a 2.84 era last year. considering cashman has a good relationship with the pirates he could probably swing a trade and not give up much. i would make the deal for kevin whelan and colin curtis and maybe someone else would get it done

  • Jake H

    I wonder how long it would take Hughes to get stretched out. May 31st was the last time he started a game. But against Boston on June 10th he threw 62 pitches against Boston for 3.2 innings. Do you give him a 2 days off then have him throw 2 innings then another inning in the BP that day? He did throw 2 innings on June 23rd.

  • Billy

    garrison lassiter has quietly raised his average to .306. jose pirela also has 3 doubles in tonights game and is hitting .319. impressive

  • Billy

    banuelos is also having another strong start. a promotion to tampa is in order

  • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

    “Girardi said the team will have discussions in the next few days about how to replace Wang in the rotation. He immediately ruled out two options: Alfredo Aceves and Phil Hughes. Both have been starters before, but Girardi will not move them from the bullpen.”

    http://www.nj.com/yankees/index.ssf/2009/07/new_york_yankees_pitcher_chien_2.html

    Game, Set, Match.

    • YankeeJosh

      Because things have never changed with the Yankees before? Just because Girardi says it, doesn’t mean I believe it. Wait til they know more on Wang and he talks to Cashman. Then we’ll see.

      • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist
        • Stephen

          Wow, why are you so pissy about this issue? If it’s only gonna be a month, then yea, Hughes probably won’t replace Wang, but if it’s more than a month, then why not move Hughes back to the rotation?

      • The Prototype

        I know, Girardi has never lied before. If they don’t put Hughes back in the rotation, I think they’re really fucking up.

    • Ivan

      Well what option can they use right now? Sergio Mitre, ok fine. Other than that, who else Igawa? ZMac who’s in Double A? The only sound pitcher who can replace Wang is Mitre or Hughes. IPK is on the DL too. So unless the yanks trade for a pitcher, the option aren’t great if the yanks don’t want to use Hughes.

      Look there not gonna put Hughes automatically in there but it would be smart for the yanks to build Hughes innings right for the time being. Who knows when Wang is coming back.

  • Teix is the Man

    Dis would be…dis would be just a maaaw-velous time fo’ dem to move teh Joba in da’ pen. I really think….I really think dat’ if you put Huuuuughes back in da rotation and Joba in da pen, then you can beat teh sawx. Now you got a championship caliba’ team hey’a ’cause da bullpen is what wins teh ty-tles.
    Francesa’d

    • Steve H

      Despite the headache I received from reading that, IETC.

  • Andy In Sunny Daytona

    Jesus Montero, bottom of the 9th, tie game……. http://www.sadtrombone.com

  • the Evil Avacado

    Milb.com has Cristian Garcia in the Thunder Game pitching in the 9th… i read he was done for the year… or is that a typo on their part(him being in the game)?

  • VO

    Does anyone know when tomorrow do we find out the All-Stars? Do we honestly have to wait until 6 O’Clock on Mlb Network?

    • Little Bill

      I thought TBS was going to announce them on their All Star special at 1 PM ET.

      • VO

        Thankyou TBS didn’t come to mind.

  • Joebrah

    Let’s talk about divisional toughness…

    I’m a big college football fan and I hate the NBA, so perhaps this is why I take so much stock in divisional toughness. I whipped up a little spreadsheet, averaging the winning percentages of each team in each division, and here’s how they stack up…

    1 AL East 0.542
    2 AL West 0.511
    3 NL West 0.505
    4 NL Central 0.503
    5 AL Central 0.479
    6 NL East 0.464

    Something I used to get a lot of grief from my brooklyn and queens relatives was how much of a cake division the AL East was in comparison to the NL East.

    When they were giving me that grief, they were probably right. But still, it’s just nice to see the AL east being the toughest and NL East being the easiest.

    • VO

      The AL East is by far the toughest. They have 3 big contending teams capable of scoring lots of runs and shutting people down offensively. Now even the Blue Jays have seen great improvement and the Orioles have gotten more athletic.

      As for the National League east, The Mets when healthy are obviously a strong team but right now they aren’t. The Phillies are a great team obviously they won it all last year, as for the Marlins and the Braves they aren’t in my eyes really competitors to compete with a healthy Mets and Phillies teams. Obviously the Nationals speak for themselves but overall the AL East is a very strong division in comparison.

      Only the Orioles do not have a better record then the Phillies(the NL East leading team).

    • steve (different one)

      But still, it’s just nice to see the AL east being the toughest and NL East being the easiest.

      seems like an odd way to put it if you are a yankee fan.

      i’ll take the clear path to the playoffs over moral highground in an argument with a Mets’ fan…

  • LiveFromNewYork

    Why didn’t the Yankees play the Red Sox 4th of July weekend this year? I thought they did most years.

    • Joebrah

      I seem to remember them playing each other last year, but can’t remember one way or another years previous.

      However, scheduling this year seems screwy all around. Random Phillies interleague series, which was not only surrounded by AL play, but also made the first interleague series of the year one against non-geographical rivals.

      Also, they seem to have gotten a lot of their non-divisional AL games out of the way in the beginning. They used to do, like, for instance, a series in Detroit in May and another one in the Bronx against Detroit in September.

      I dunno, maybe that’s my imagination, but it seems across the ML, teams are having somewhat screwy schedules.

  • Little Bill

    Price got lit up by Texas and Tampa is going to lose. We will gain another game on our 3 divisional competitors today. 1 game in the loss column behind Boston, 5 up on Tampa, and 7 on Toronto.

    • Zach

      nothing personal against Price, but i LOVE seeing him get beat up

  • Mike bk

    There is no reason especially with the all star break breaking things up that hughes cant throw 50-60 probably 3-4 innings. Throw a side session/simulated game something like tuesday the 14th for 75 pitches and then be up to 85-90 within two weeks by the 20th/21st, or two starts thanks to the longer than usual lay off for the ASB this year.

    • Mike bk

      but this is the BS i was talking about yesterday today where now they are looking for excuses to keep Hughes in the pen.

      • Little Bill

        I know, it’s the same arguments they used for Joba!

        HE CAN AFFECT MORE GAMES AS A RELIEVER
        HE HAS BEEN DOMINANT IN THE BULLLPEN
        HE HAS ELECTRIC STUFF IN THE 8TH
        HE IS AN ORDINARY STARTER AND A SPECIAL RELIEVER

        Look for these exact same arguments to be used for Hughes as they were for Joba. It’s already been established that starters are more valuable but they just don’t get it.

        • steve (different one)

          It’s already been established that starters are more valuable but they just don’t get it.

          who is “they”? the Yankees? the team that has never once waivered from their position that Joba is a starter?

          • Little Bill

            “They” are the Joba to the bullpen people. They are the same people who will argue that Hughes should be in the bullpen to be the bridge to Mo and the eventual heir apparent to Mo.

            • steve (different one)

              ok. but, “they” don’t have a vote.

    • Little Bill

      I agree! And this appears to be the consensus. There’s only 1 guy here who insists that he knows everything and that Hughes would take 2 months to stretch out so he shouldn’t start. Hughes is the best option at starter right now and starters are harder to replace than relievers. Bruney, Robertson, Aceves, Coke, and a call up or trade can handle the bridge to Mo just fine.

      • Mike bk

        normally it would take a 3-4 weeks of games and then maybe you think differently but we are off for a week this year with the all-star break so that is a free 20 pitch move for hughes so he should easily be at 85 pitches by the 1st start after the break and 100 after that. So basically you have 1 short start or long bullpen session i really dont care which as long as he gets 60 pitches thurs/fri

    • VO

      I understand where your coming from but you have to see it a different way. With the All-Star break Wang will not miss a lot of starts, by the time we stretch out Hughes he will be back in the bullpen. That is why we have the minor league depth with Mitre and even Towers.

      • VO

        Just to be straight forward I don’t want Hughes as a reliever (or Joba for that matter) but I just don’t want to have to send Hughes down or even stretch him out in the bullpen just so he can make one start.

        • Little Bill

          He wouldn’t go back just for one start. He either goes back and remains there for the rest of the season, or he doesn’t go back at all. I’m talking about him staying in the rotation for the rest of the year and beyond. Hughes is too valuable to waste in the pen.

          • VO

            Your right he is to valuable to waste in the pen. But he is also too valuable to waste sending him back and forth between the pen and rotation. He would not be a starter for the rest of the season, Wang would come back and Hughes would go back to the pen.

            • Little Bill

              No. If Wang were to return he would go to the bullpen or they’d use him to start for Joba if they want to limit him to 150 IP. The playoff rotation would then be CC, AJ, Andy, Hughes if they were to make it that far. People have been saying Joba will go back to the bullpen in August or September anyway.

      • Mike bk

        if Wang is out 4 weeks he will still miss 5 starts. You want 5 starts with Mitre vs 1 short and 1 nearly full and 3 full length hughes starts?

        • Mike bk

          and in that month hughes can easily work 30 innings which is 2 months worth of this BS in the pen and he needs the innings.

          • VO

            I’m not sure where you got that 30 innings from. That would mean 5 starts of 6 innings, which in all likelihood is not happening. But it would give him more innings then in the pen though. We don’t know any of the facts though, there is something Cashman and Girardi have planned so Hughes and Joba both get the innings in and we just don’t know it. I highly doubt Cashman would let his best prospect not get enough innings because he was put in the bullpen.

            • Mike bk

              he can get 3-4 next start. on 50-60 pitch limit with as efficient as he is being.

              probably 6-7 every other start. so if he goes 6 twice, 7 twice thats 29-30 innings. at worst probably 25.

              • VO

                Listen you have you point it’s more innings like I said they’re not just going to leave him with no innings. They are going to do something.

            • Mike bk

              problem is joba is not going deep enough into games for his limit to come anytime soon. Joba is only avg 5.5 innings per start and is really only on pace for 170 innings so that means he comes up maybe 4 starts short with his 150 window

              • VO

                They’re going to send Hughes back to the AFL to get his innings in which may be good for him in other ways also.

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

                  He’s not eligible for the AzFL any more.

                • VO

                  Alright I don’t know much about the whole minor league system or anything like that. I didn’t know you had to be eligible for it.

        • VO

          It all depends how long he is out, how the rotation is set after the All-Star break, how long it would take Hughes to be stretched out etc. I’m not saying I’m completely opposed to it, I just wouldn’t want it to be for 1 start.

        • Joebrah

          I don’t like the mind games this could cause Hughes. He’s been demoted for Wang already this season, and soon after a great performance. His second to last start was an 8 inning shutout with 3 hits, 6 k’s, and 1 bb.

          One of the best performances by any Yankee pitcher this year. And one start later, he’s demoted for a guy with like a 34.5 ERA as a starter.

          I would hate for him to start a few games, tear shit up, and be benched, AGAIN, for Wang.

          • VO

            Exactly my point, I don’t want him to start and then be put back in the bullpen. Either he replaces somebody in the rotation for the season (or close to it) or he can stay in the bullpen until Joba needs help. Or another option can be putting him in AAA where he belongs so he can stay a starter, which would have solved this whole problem in the first place.

  • Bob Stone

    Steve McNair shot to death – multiple shots to the head. 20 year female, Sahel Kazemi also shot in the head.

  • VO

    Does anyone know if Shelley Duncan’s Twitter account is real?