One last All Star break open thread


The Yankees have one more night of R&R to enjoy before the second half begins, but not everyone is that lucky. The Mets have the Oliver Perez Horror Show taking the mound in Atlanta, which is always good for a laugh. There’s not much else going on tonight, but use this thread to talk about whatever you want. Just be civil.

Oh, and if you haven’t already, make sure you vote in our Favorite Moment of the First Half Poll. Mariano Rivera‘s bases loaded walk is currently in the lead.

Categories : Open Thread


  1. I guess it’s the Mets and Scrubs and Seinfeld re-runs for another night.

  2. Salty Buggah says:

    I feel like watching a comedy instead of a horror show

  3. OmgZombies! says:

    Having a young gf blows at times. I had to go see Harry Potter today. :(
    I wanted to walk out to bad.

  4. Ivan says:

    I want my yankee games.

  5. For lack of a more creative name... Alex says:

    Wow.. I’m utterly hopelessly lost without the Yankees.. I really need to get a life.

  6. I’m reading BP. I need a life.

  7. Salty Buggah says:

    The Braves are crushing the ball but they’re being caught so far

  8. Salty Buggah says:

    I heard the Mets called up Angel Berroa to replace Argenis Reyes.

  9. bicycle boy says:

    why isn’t austin jackson playing today?

  10. For lack of a more creative name... Alex says:

    He hit it over the “impossible fence”

  11. Salty Buggah says:

    There it is. 1st HR off Perez today

  12. Salty Buggah says:

    And there is #2. Now those crushed balls are leaving the yard instead of being caught.

  13. A question for the sabermetricians out there:

    Why is Isolated Power (ISO) used when evaluating a player, but not Isolated OBP? If a .250/x/.500 player is expected to show more power going forward than a .300/x/.500 player, wouldn’t a .250/.350/x player be expected to show more plate discipline going forward than a .300/.350/x player?

    I love ISO in that it evaluates a player’s true slugging ability. It would seem to make sense then to have a similar stat to evaluate a player’s true plate discipline. Does a stat like this exist? If not, why not?

    • Well, there is Isolated Discipline (I believe it’s called that) and it’s OBP-BA so is that what you’re thinking of? There’s also stats like BB/K for batters and Walk/Strikeout Percentages.

      • Isolated Discipline as you described it is exactly what I was thinking off. I’ve never seen anyone reference it before though. K/BB ratios are useful it just seems like OBP-BA would be useful with a large sample size.

  14. Januz says:

    Very interesting news tonight: “top New York Yankees prospect is not who he claims to be, sources tell SI.com. Two weeks ago, the Yankees signed a shortstop purporting to be 16-year-old Damian Arredondo from the Dominican Republic to an $850,000 bonus. Now Major League Baseball’s Department of Investigations has determined that Arredondo is not the player’s real name and that he is older than 16… I know the draft and Latin American money is different, but I wonder if that money will now be used on Stephen Bruno or Andrew Aplin?

  15. ranger11 says:

    How do you think the Yanks will do against the Tigers? They have to face Jackson and Verlander back to back.

  16. YankeeFan says:

    Neil Medchill 2-run HR in first AB tonight. HR #7, fourth game in a row.

  17. Danny says:

    i guess yankee classics will have to do for tonight

  18. Matthew Richardson for GCL Yanks has a 0.64 ERA in 28 IP.


  19. DJ says:

    Wow, Medchill deserves a call up pretty soon, the guy is absolutely raking and obviously Staten Island isn’t enough competition for the 22 year old. He seems like he has a legit bat

  20. DJ says:

    He was just drafted out of college this year so he should breeze through the system

  21. Brian Cashman's brother says:

    It is a good thing Posada was able to rest 2 out of 3 games with the Angels with only 5 days off this week.

  22. Brian Cashman's brother says:

    Anytime the other team scores more than you, you have a problem scoring runs

  23. The Artist says:

    Great piece by Sky Kalkman today on a potential Halladay deal. Using his model for calculating various prospect’s value, Halladay’s own value and subtracting what Roy earns, it turns out giving up Montero ALONE would be overpaying by approximately DOUBLE.


    Tremendous read, give it a look.

    • Brian Cashman's brother says:

      One day it would be nice to see Sabbathia beat the Red Sox, Angels, or Rays 2-0. He has blwon games against each this year. I think the word is choker- bring me Halladay.

      • Brian Cashman's brother says:

        all this stuff is garbage. If the Yanks can get Montero for Halladay they should do it in a second. If Halladay wins 5 games in the playoffs and the Yanks win a series it means more than if Montero hits 350 with 40 homers each year and the Yanks do not win. Just like Nick Green. I bet his stats say he is a minus for total wins for the year. But he hit a homer and a double to win games. Just like Jeter is overrated. I would still take Jeter as my SS over anyone in the game today. Get out of the house and stop looking at these bullcrap stats.

        • Lanny says:

          Cashman doesn’t have the stones to actually trade a prospect for a stud SP that would give this team the best rotation in the game.

          • The Artist says:

            The same way he didn’t have ‘the stones’ to get the two best available free agent pitchers this off season?

          • Mo forbid he think about the future. I think the Yankees could win the WS this year w/o Halladay and not giving up Montero or others gives them better chances to win more WS’s down the line.

            • The Artist says:

              You’re right, he should consider the future and I wouldn’t give up Montero in any multi-player deal.

              But if any of the top contenders (Yanks/Red Sox/Phillies/Dodgers) get Halladay, they would have put a wide gap between themselves and the rest of Baseball. This is a move that could (and really should) decide things this year. Even if we make the WS, if the Phils get Halladay we’re can’t expect to beat them. If the Red Sox got him, I couldn’t see us getting past the ALCS even if Beckett’s arm fell off.

              • Word. Obviously, I’ll be pumped if the Yankees get the Doc. But if they don’t get Doc, I won’t be devastated.

                • The Artist says:

                  I will, if he goes to one of those teams I listed. We would need to get very lucky (1996 style) to win it all if Doc goes to a contender.

                  The only way I won’t be really concerned is if he goes to the Giants. They already have a ton of pitching, they still wouldn’t be able to hit.

          • E-ROC says:

            Having the best rotation in the game guarantees nothing.

            • The Artist says:

              That’s taking things to the extreme. Of course nothing is guaranteed, but the team that gets Halladay would have the odds stacked in their favor.

              When you look at a playoff series, first thing you do is look at the pitching match ups. In your mind, you would be trying to figure out how you could win all 3 of the non Halladay games in the ALDS, or how you could win 4 of 5 non Halladay games in the ALCS or WS. That’s a lot to ask.

              Look at our record against him. You wouldn’t be a bit surprised if you lost the series, but you would be shocked if you lost and you were the team who landed Halladay.

          • RollingWave says:

            Unlike Theo of course. nevermind that the Red Sox is still stuck with a epic black hole in SS 5 years later and Hanely Ramirez is putting up numbers that would place him somewhere in between Honus Wagner and Alex Rodriguez (meaning he is on pace to be the second best SS …*all time*)

        • toad says:

          Uh huh. And if Babe Ruth comes back to life and takes over RF it would help a lot too.

        • Sky says:

          “If Halladay wins 5 games in the playoffs and the Yanks win a series it means more than if Montero hits 350 with 40 homers each year and the Yanks do not win.”

          This is not convincing at all. You could also say this:

          If the Yanks don’t win the World Series in the next two years, then they’ve lost a key piece to the puzzle of winning over the following six years.

          It’s an IF. You need to measure how much Halladay would help this year, who he kicks out of the rotation, how his $15M contract affects 2010, and how much Montero or whatever the Yanks give up would affect things long term.

  24. The Artist says:

    I don’t get this at all, I’ve tried posting this 5 times, without a link, and it still won’t take. In any case, SI reports that Yankee IFA signing Damon Arredondo has been proven to be a fraud, and the signing has been canceled.

    • The Artist says:

      A top New York Yankees prospect is not who he claims to be, sources tell SI.com. Two weeks ago, the Yankees signed a shortstop purporting to be 16-year-old Damian Arredondo from the Dominican Republic to an $850,000 bonus. Now Major League Baseball’s Department of Investigations has determined that Arredondo is not the player’s real name and that he is older than 16.

      The Yankees signed the player they thought was Arredondo on July 2, the first day that major league teams are permitted to sign international free agents as young as 16. The Yankees were impressed with the switch-hitter’s strong arm and speed — he reportedly ran a 60-yard-dash in 6.4 seconds.

      According to a new Major League Baseball rule, a player found to have used a fraudulent identity or to have misrepresented his age cannot sign with another club for one year. Major League Baseball has recently increased its efforts to deter identity fraud in Latin America by hiring new investigators and dispatching other investigators from its New York City office to oversee the process.

      In general, sources say that MLB will be working with authorities in the Dominican Republic to bring criminal charges against the orchestrators of fraud — often the trainers and agents who stand to make large percentages of the prospects’ signing bonuses.

      Mark Newman, the Yankees Senior Vice President of Baseball Operations, says that he has not received official notification of the outcome of the Arredondo investigation. The Yankees did not lose any money on the prospect because his bonus was contingent on the outcome of the investigation. Newman expressed gratitude that the investigative process was swift, allowing the team time to continue searching for prospects among the pool of free agents who have not yet been signed.

    • A.D. says:

      Downside they have one less IFA, upside they didn’t give 850K to a fraud.

  25. DJ says:

    I wish they would just use that money to put towards a contract for Sano, because when the investigation is over and it proves that he is 16, someone is going to be lucky to have that kind of a talent in their organization. Since they’re not going for Sano though, they could put that money towards a signability case like Stoneburner or Aplin

  26. The Artist says:

    I wonder if this Arredondo situation changes the Yank’s pursuit of Sano. They thought they had a SS, and now they don’t. Plus, they just saved 850K so even if they have a budget the have some $$ freed up.

    • Drew says:

      We can dream.. I REALLY want us to sign Sano.

      • Accent Shallow says:

        Ehh, he’s 16. How often do these Dominican bonus babies pay off? Not every one of them is going to get to the majors like King Felix.

        I’m sure Sano is a nice talent, but again, he’s 16. Maybe he’s the next A-Rod, but more likely he’s not.

    • Reggie C. says:

      Okay. But every single scout predicts Sano to move off SS in the near future. He’s not getting these Hanley Ramirez comps for nothing you know. Those comps started b/c Sano actually has a matured frame.

      The MLB investigation process on Sano has dragged on for like forever. I’m now intrigued …

  27. DJ says:

    Mike What would your top 10 Yankee prospect list look like as of this moment, at least Top 5: Mine would be Montero, Jackson, McAllister, Romine, Nova, Brackman, Bleich, ManBan, DeLeon, Heathcott

    • The Artist says:

      A mid-season prospect update would be nice. I’m sure Mike is working on one, he did one last year.

    • I am not sure I’d include Heathcott since he hasn’t thrown a pro inning on the list, but otherwise I like it.

      • A.D. says:

        Mainly hes not signed.

      • The Artist says:

        Yeah, I hate putting draft pick signings on top 10 lists. That would mean CJ Henry was on the 2005 top 10 list, and Eric Duncan would have been on the 2003 top 10 list.

        • I asked a question on that subject to Mike in a chat one day and he said a first round pick not being in the top ten either means a ridiculously deep farm system or a bad draft pick.

          • The Artist says:

            I understand that, but I still disagree. How many top picks do we see that stumble as they advance? You’re going to rate a kid higher based on his raw tools instead of a guy who’s worked his way through the minors and is succeeding at AA/AAA? How do you explain to Z-Mac that some kid in HS is rated ahead of him?

            I just don’t like saying someone is a Top 10 prospect who hasn’t thrown/played an inning of pro ball. I think you have to earn that type of status, and its not something you can achieve in High School.

            • Reggie C. says:

              HS bats like Mike Trout (angels 1st rd pick) or Matt Davidson (D’backs 1st round pick) are most definitely going to make the top 10 list of their respective clubs. I think the argument can be made that Heathcott has a comparable talent in batting and defense to someone like Trout. That makes Heathcott a top 10 prospect in our system.

    • Reggie C. says:

      Brackman has pitched his way off the top 10. I’d put Heathcott in the top 8-10 range. Arodys Vizcaino is probably in that range too. If Viz continues to post that impressive k/9 rate, he might even move higher.

  28. DJ says:

    Yea but the money is coming out of the same pocket so either they use the 850K and put it towards a Sano, or the Draft budget should go up 850K since they used 850K less in the IFA

  29. Drew says:

    Does anyone understand the NFL Supp draft? I see my Skins drafted Jarmon today in exchange for next year’s 3rd round pick. I’m kind of confused with how the whole thing works.

  30. DJ says:

    Your absolutely right and agree with you 100%, they know they need more SS in the system, and now that they lost out on their SS, they need to go get a good one now, Sano is the only good one left on the market, even if he doesn’t stick at SS, it would be an exceptional scouting year for the Yanks if they reeled in all this talent, then put Chpman in the fold and the Yanks are golden

  31. DJ says:

    * Chapman

  32. Jake H says:

    I miss Yankee baseball!

  33. DJ says:

    Montero, Jackson, McAllister, Romine, Nova, ManBan, Vizcaino, Heathcott, DeLeon, Bleich

    Is that better?

  34. Montero is 1-2 with an RBI single. 3-3 tie for Trenton.

    • DJ says:

      Thanks for the update

    • Mattingly's Love Child says:

      Only a single? He’s gonna be a bust.

    • Reggie C. says:

      Thought you might like this ‘Becca:

      Aaron (Boston): Rather have Jesus Montero or Lars Anderson?

      Jim Callis (2:38 PM): Jesus Montero, but I still don’t think he’s a catcher. I still believe in Anderson, too.

      - Callis is a red sox fan and (imo) its constantly reflected in his judgment calls whenever he’s asked the “who’s-better” question. This is a BIG moment of admission coming from somebody like Callis.

  35. Spaceman.Spiff says:

    With the surge this year made by Jesus Montero, who has the better farm system now, the Yankees or the Red Sox? Because general media perception is that the Red Sox have a better farm but with Jesus catapulting himself into rare territory with the bat, I’d give the Yankees the edge.

    • A.D. says:

      So far Jesus has outhit Lars

    • Mattingly's Love Child says:

      But they have Bard who throws 120mph and his curveball breaks like a ball rolling off a table!

    • Mattingly's Love Child says:

      I’d still give the Sawx a slight edge. They’ve done real well for themselves in the draft and have more top talent closer to the majors. The Yanks have done well for themselves with international free agents, and have much more of that talent in the lower levels. To me the talent is equal with the Sawx having more players closer to the majors.

    • Reggie C. says:

      Judgment reserved (on my end at least).

      I want to see how Lars Anderson and Josh Redick finish out their seasons. Casey Kelly has turned out to be some kinda pitchaaahhh. RS didn’t waste their 2008 1st round pick.

      Our main boys are performing though. Z-Mac is showing he’s going to be a major league pitcher somewhere. It’d be nice to see Kelvin DeLeon add some prospect depth to the OF with a strong finish. Good 2nd half story lines to follow.

      • Zach says:

        Reddick is hitting .188 against lefties in AA, and hit .189 overall in the AFL.

        But its not realistic to think Yankees’ system has passed Boston in 1/2 season. They would have to have numerous guys seriously underperform or experience season ending injuries

  36. DJ says:

    Was Nova ever considered a top talent when the Yanks signed him?

  37. Reggie C. says:

    So are the Mets gonna win this one??

  38. David Wright range fail.

  39. barry says:

    SWB Yanks win on a walk off by DeCaster, afterwards Shelley basically beats the hell out of the poor bastard. The guys either a maniac or he just loves playin baseball and I don’t think being in AAA is bothering him all that much.

  40. DGeezy says:

    anyone know whats the latest with IPK??

  41. Drew says:

    lol at No Maas’s midterm infield grades.
    If you get a minute, check out Cody Ransom’s grade. It’s good for a chuckle.

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