Open Thread: Damn, is tomorrow Monday already? edition

Teixeira, Jeter voted All Star Game starters
Staten Island offense starting to round into shape

The Yankees had themselves a great Fourth of July weekend, racking up a trio of wins against a division rival in three completely different ways:

  1. A crisp, clean 4-2 win headlined by tremendous pitching
  2. An edge of your seat walk-off 6-5 win in extra innings
  3. An old school, back and forth barn burner

All three games were fun to watch, but alas the weekend is coming to a close and reality will soon set back in. Until then, use this as your open thread for the night. Talk about whatever you want – who should take Wang’s spot, will Eric Hinske ever play, Rangers vs Rays (8pm, ESPN) – just be nice to each other.

Tickets available: A reader has pair of tickets available for tomorrow’s game, located in Section 421, Row 13. It’s the upper deck almost right behind home plate, about two sections on the third base side. Remember, tomorrow’s a day game with a 1:05 start. Face value is $25 each, but the seller is willing to take $40 for the pair. If you’re interested, email me via the link on the far right sidebar and I’ll put you in touch with the seller.

Update (7:40pm): The tickets have been claimed.

Teixeira, Jeter voted All Star Game starters
Staten Island offense starting to round into shape
  • Jake H

    I need a weekend from my weekend. Hopefully tomorrow we get the 4 game sweep.

  • Adam

    CERVELLI FOR TEH 8TH when molina comes back

    • The Fallen Phoenix

      BUT CERVELLI IS A STARTING PITCHAH!!!11

  • Dela G

    i love the fact that my second summer school session has no friday or monday classes, so i get 4 day weekends!

    wohoo texas a&m :)

  • Little Bill

    Hinske didn’t play today because there was a lefty on the mound. He’s been here for what, 2 days? Jesus Christ. Another lefty is on the mound tomorrow but I bet we’ll have 25 posts before the game starts “Where’s Hinske? Isn’t he a Yankee?”

    • YankeeJosh

      Are we really going to play match-ups between Hinske and Ransom? Hinske is at least a capable MLB player.

      And it’s been about a week. You’d think Girardi would want to get a look at his new acquisition.

      • Little Bill

        Hinske has been around for a while in the AL East. I think Girardi already knows what he has in him. And I would expect Hinske to play a couple times this week for Swish or Damon.

    • andrew

      Well, firstly, he’s been here more than two days. Secondly, he was supposedly brought over here to be an upgrade for the days Alex sat. Today, Alex sat and Hinske was nowhere to be seen. I didn’t watch the game, but from what I’ve read, Ransom made at an error that really hurt Joba (not to say that Joba was pitching that well, but he probably would’ve gone 5 innings or so without the error). If we just acquired Hinske to be Alex’s back up, why couldn’t they wait until Hinske could play to sit Alex? Not to say people should be going crazy about it, but I’d like to think I’m pretty logical, and I too am wondering about why he hasn’t played yet.

      • Little Bill

        Ransom is actually the better defender. Hinske isn’t well known for his glove at 3rd. Hinske was brought in when it was realized that Nady was out for the year. Nady was going to take Pena’s spot anyway so Ransom was always going to be A-Rod’s primary backup at 3rd. Hinske isn’t a very good defender at 3B.

        • Salty Buggah

          Eh he’s not that much worse than Ransom and probably more than makes up for that with his better offense.

          • Salty Buggah

            oh and it’s been 5 games now and he has not even gotten an AB. I’m not complaining but sometime you have to give him one.

          • Little Bill

            There’s another discussion further down the page you should look at. He is that much worse than Ransom at 3rd. I don’t think he’ll play that position very often as a backup. His numbers vs. lefties aren’t very good as someone posted below. He will play, just not at 3rd and probably not vs. lefties.

            • Salty Buggah

              That I know and understand. I hope he doesn’t play 3rd often either.

  • Steve H

    Another great day for the worst bullpen ever. Been quite a few since May.

  • Little Bill

    Hughes should start for Wang and for the remainder of the season, but the Yankees just aren’t going to do that. Cashman couldn’t possibly look into Mo’s soul and tell him he’s going to do what’s best for the team and start Hughes.

    • RobTen

      While it might be the case that this is part of a “plan” that the front office does not wish to share with the public, on the surface the decision to move Hughes to the bullpen seems to be a really short-sighted one by the Yankees:

      Wang gets hurt, they call Hughes up to start in his place. With each start, his outings get stronger.

      Wang returns (too soon, because of the apparent fear that Joba was injured by a line drive) and rather than send Hughes down to AAA to continue gaining innings as a starter, they move him to the bullpen, even as there being numerous bullpen arms waiting in AAA (Edwar, Albaladejo, Melancon). While none of these pitchers is better than Hughes, it is also the case that Hughes-the-starter is worth more to the team than Hughes-the-reliever. And, while it is not difficult to agree that the bullpen is better because Hughes is in it, it is because, to paraphrase TSJC, he’s good at baseball. It is also the case that given contemporary bullpen usage—-in which multiple relievers are used each game in “match-up” situations—-which contributes to the volatile nature of bullpens today, that the bad bullpen in May was a statistical outlier and would not be as bad moving forward. (Unless one thinks that Hughes’ mere presence in the bullpen has also contributed to the performances of Coke, Robertson, and Aceves.)

      Now, because Hughes is in the bullpen, his arm loses stamina and he is no longer able to go deep into games. This, despite the fact that no team is likely to get through a season with just five starters.

      Also, Joba is on an innings limit and, if I am not mistaken, will most likely hit it sometime in August or early September, which means that at the very least, and in the unlikely event that all of your starters remain healthy, you will still need a starter in a month or so. Unless the Yankees are way ahead at that point, it will be important to plug in a good starter, and not just someone who will “eat innings.”

      What happens?

      Wang gets injured and, because Hughes is not available to start, they are most likely going to start Sergio Mitre, a below average journeyman coming back from Tommy John surgery.

      In addition, if you don’t move Hughes to the rotation now, then who will take over for Joba in August/September? If they don’t send Hughes down to AAA soon, or creatively use MLB innings to stretch him back into a starter, they’re essentially saying he’s in the bullpen for the year and that they’re willing to accept starts by lesser pitchers.

      Compare this to what happened with Dave Righetti. While Hughes has not yet shown the results that Righetti did, it should remain an important historical lesson for all those who clamor to put good young starters in the bullpen. After winning Rookie of the Year in 1981 and pitching three above average seasons (age 22-24) to an ERA+ of 117 as a starter, the Yankees moved him to the bullpen when Gossage left and they had “too many” starters. He excelled there because, like Hughes and Joba, he was a good young pitcher. Then, they left him there. In 1984 and 1985 the Yankees had only one pitcher who had a better ERA+ than Righetti compiled during his tenure as a starter and in 1986, when he saved a then-record 46 games, they had just two. Given that Righetti’s numbers were improving–for instance, cutting his walk rate in half by his third season, increasing his strike outs each season–one can imagine that he had the potential to have been a front line starter by then. By 1990, Righetti’s age 31 season, no Yankee starter was above league average and they won only 67 games. With Righetti saving games in the pen, the Yankees came close to winning the division once, in 1985, but otherwise never had the starting pitching to win. Would starting Righetti have won the pennant? Maybe, maybe not. But it would have certainly improved the Yankees chances more than having Righetti in the bullpen, as is the case with both Hughes and Joba now.

      If Hughes returns to the starting rotation again, great. It will give him an opportunity to provide the most value to the team. If he is left in the bullpen simply because there are “too many” starters and because he’s pitching well there, as one would expect with a good young pitcher with Hughes’ upside, then it will be a waste of what might be.

  • Rebecca opt prime

    i am in the car on the way back from the triple a cancellation i saw the field and it really looks like shiv you could see the players sinking into the turf the are thinking about trying to find somewhere else ve play dont worry i am not driving just have a shiv phone

    • Brendan

      I had something worse happen to me today. My girlfriend bought the tickets (I never saw them until we arrived at the gate) She pulls them out of her bag and guess what, they are for tomorrow’s game! Back in the car! GRRRRR

  • A.D.

    That toughness helped Welch decide to give the ball to Heathcott — who had not pitched an inning all year — for the seventh inning with a one-run lead in the state championship game. Heathcott threw a scoreless inning, and Texas High won its first state title.

    Heathcott to teh pen!!!!!!!!

  • Rebecca opt prime

    So what did jesus do today

  • http://and-that-happened.blogspot.com Evan

    For a while, I thought the score to today’s game would surpass that of the 5th set at Wimbledon.

    • Little Bill

      That was some match for the 2nd year in a row at Wimbeldon. I was rooting for Andy to pull it out, but it was also good seeing Federer make history. I wonder how many more he can win before he’s done.

      • http://and-that-happened.blogspot.com Evan

        I think he has 2 or 3 left in him.

      • Ivan

        Actually third straight year. Remember that 5 set match between Federer and Nadal in 07. Nevertheless it was an absolute treat though if u luv sports.

        As for Federer well I think he can reach about 18 GS. I think he wins most definitely 1 or 2 more Wimbledon GS. Probably another US Open GS or even an Astrailian GS. The French is really out of question cuz Nadal is king of Clay.

        Think about though, Roger Federer currently is the best Grass Court, Hard Court and SECOND best Clay Court player in the world. Amazing.

        • RAB poster

          Sampras all the way. Tougher competition.

          Before anybody jumps down my throat, I know nothing about tennis. I’m just parroting what I’ve heard. And I know Sampras never won Wimbledon.

          • Andy In Sunny Daytona

            And I know Sampras never won Wimbledon…..8 times.

            • Ivan

              And never won a French Open either.

            • Thomas

              He didn’t really win them, the other players lost them!

              • RAB poster

                (Parroting) Bad competition!

  • Accent Shallow

    Definitely bummed about Joba. I caught the first three innings, and he didn’t look too bad. The third inning easily could have been over before the mistake to Lind. I come back to the game in the 7th, and he got bombed. Oy. Joba’s been pretty good so far at avoiding such disaster starts, hopefully he can recuperate a bit over the AS break.

    And I would like to see Hughes take Wang’s spot. Perhaps he could shadow Mitre, then be demoted and make a start or two in the minors over the break, and come back in time to take Wang’s next turn?

    • Andrew

      Why would you be bummed about Joba? Joba’s not even bummed about Joba. He said he thought he pitched good during the post game. Keep coming with quotes like that after awful performances, and he’ll lose favor pretty quickly.

      As for slotting Hughes into the rotation… makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. As of now, Wang is suppose to back in a month, give or take. Why would you take the most capable relief pitcher out of the bullpen so that you can fill the all-important 5th slot in the rotation? Hughes’ move to the bullpen has coincided with the bullpen absolutely dominating, and it’s not a coincidence. Plus, Girardi said that Hughes is staying in the pen today, so there’s no point getting too into an argument over it.

      • Joe

        I thought i was the only one who saw it…haha.. Joba seriously has one of the worst attitudes in the world.. I’m still pissed at him poking fun at yogi’s expense. SMH

        Lets trade him and some other prospects for Oswalt…kidding…. kind of… not really

        • Zach

          “worst attitudes in the world” really? you’re putting him into Milton Bradley territory?

        • Accent Shallow

          You’re going to trade Joba because you don’t like his attitude? Really?

          • Drew

            We should trade posada for bengie. posada has an attitude dude.

            • thurdonpaul

              posada has earned the right to have an attitude, joba has not

          • RAB poster

            Nothing wrong with his attiitude. People are just unhappy with his pitching and are looking for reasons why.

        • Say Hey Willie

          Really? First you want to trade Joba, which is just dumb. Then the best target you come up with is to include other prospects and get Oswalt. Seriously? . . . Oswalt?

        • donttradecano

          Really Oswalt? You mean the guy who complains about steroid users costing him wins, when 2 of them got him to the WS?

  • YankeeFan

    Medchill has been real solid for SI…OPS I believe is over .950 after another 2-hit game that included his 3rd HR of the season.

  • Salty Buggah

    Neither of the Jays’ HRs would have been HRs in the Old Stadium but both of ours would have been.

    • RAB poster

      Yes, but Damon’s HR yesterday would not have gone out in the old Stadium.

      • Salty Buggah

        Hittracker disagrees, all of the HRs yesterday were HRs at the old Stadium too and Jeter actually lost a HR as his flyball to center would’ve been a HR before.

        • RAB poster

          Did you see that HR? No way it goes out of the old stadium.

          • Salty Buggah

            Yea I did and kinda felt the same thing, maybe Hittracker is wrong but I don’t know.

          • steve (different one)

            you make it sound like HRs to RF in the old stadium weren’t “cheap” either.

            it’s not like they moved from Petco to NYS.

            Damon’s HR landed 4-5 rows deep. might have been enough to get out of OYS.

            • RAB poster

              I didn’t think so when I saw it.

            • Salty Buggah

              that’s what I thought. It seemed to be 3-4 rows deep but I couldn’t tell if that nine feet or not but Hittracker.com says so.

              • steve (different one)

                you’re probably right, it was close to borderline.

                but that 9 feet isn’t uniform…that’s just the largest the gap gets from the foul pole to CF, right?

                where Damon’s HR went out, the difference might only be 5 feet, for example.

  • Kulish

    Anyone know what happened to McAllister? Did he get promoted? He’s not on Trenton’s roster on MILB.com and no team is listed when you search for him.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      He’s on Trenton’s roster.

  • TurnTwo

    So I just bought Eastern League All Star tickets thru the Thunder website. They have packages for actual pavilion seats still available apparently if you are willing to buy a some ASG swag with the tickets.

    I’m pumped. doors open at 2pm, with an autograph session around 4pm after both teams take BP. HR Derby after that, then the game starting around 7pm. thats a full afternoon of prospect goodness.

  • Danny

    hmmm, the rays-rangers game is kinda win/win no? rays lose and we gain a game on them in the division, rangers lose and we gain a game on them in the wildcard.

    woohoo yankees!

    • Salty Buggah

      or I guess it could be a lose-lose, right? ;)

      • Danny

        lol, debbie downer would approve!

  • RAB poster

    What is wrong with Joba? His velocity has just disappeared.

    I understand say a 3 mph drop from 98 to 95, but 98 to 91 is ridiculous. He was pitching hard as a starter last year. What happened?

    • The Fallen Phoenix

      Justin Verlander had this same issue last year, if I recall correctly.

      I think the most likely explanation for Chamberlain’s loss of fastball velocity would have to do with his shoulder injury last year. It is possible that an alteration to Chamberlain’s mechanics – whether conscious or not – has sapped some of his fastball velocity. After all, it was his Nardi-adjusted mechanics that turned him into a mid-90s thrower, wasn’t it?

      • Salty Buggah

        It has to be mechanics. In his dominant Cleveland start, he was 95-96 all day and even hit 97-98 in the late innings.

        • The Fallen Phoenix

          That’s what I’m thinking.

        • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

          He’s throwing more 2 seamers. He’s had a problem with high pitch counts/long innings so they’re having him throw more 2 seamers in the hope he gets a quick out here and there.

          • Salty Buggah

            That makes perfect sense I guess. His 2-seamer wasn’t working today as he only got one groundball out. And he did pump it up to 95-96 at times.

            • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

              If you caught “The Joe Girardi Show” this week, that’s where he said it. 2 seamers are always slower than 4 seamers, so there’s really nothing unusual about it.

              • Salty Buggah

                Nope I dont have YES here, but yea I knew they are almost always slower (rarely, some players can throw both at same speeds) so that why it all made sense and Posada said once that Joba’s 2-seamer is his best pitch or at least JoPo likes it the most.

                • RAB poster

                  I’m not convinced. Such a huge velocity drop is not good.

                • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

                  You’re not convinced that 2 seamers are slower than 4 seamers?

                • RAB poster

                  Then how come A.J. Burnett throws hard? Or CC? Both more consitently than Joba.

                • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

                  Wow.

    • RAB poster

      Whatever it is, and hopefully mechanics, he has to fix it if he wants to be a doominant starter. He’s a power pitcher.

      And I’m sure it would go up if he went in the pen-to 95. There is more to this than being moved from the pen, and honestly if he gets his fastball back I want him to start.

      • RAB poster

        doominant=dominant.

  • Yanke1313
    • Yanke1313

      Joba Chamberlain.

  • Salty Buggah

    If Alex didn’t have that injury, do you think he could have made it to the ASG?

    • Drew

      Yes.

    • RAB poster

      He could have been a top two player in baseball, with Pujols.

    • Thomas

      He should have made it this even with the injury.

      A-Rod – .244/.412/.523/.935, .404 wOBA, 14 HR, 43 RBIs, -9.6 UZR/150, 1.8 WAR in 221 PAs

      Michael Young – .314/.370/.497/.866, .378 wOBA, 10 HR, 33 RBI, -20.6 UZR/150, 1.4 WAR in 341 PAs

      A-Rod > Young

      • Thomas

        Also, Young has been just a bit luckier than A-Rod with a BABIP of .352 compared to Alex’s .219.

        • RAB poster

          Sample size. You can’t let Alex in w/his horrible slump and being on the DL for so wrong.

          • RAB poster

            wrong is long.

          • Thomas

            Sample size doesn’t matter. In 221 PAs, A-Rod is already worth 0.4 more wins than Michael is through 341 PAs. In other words, A-Rod is worth more to his team in 51 games than Young is in 76 games.

            • RAB poster

              Sample size doesn’t matter? Of course it does. With sample size you get a better idea if the real A-Rod hits 180 or the real A-Rod does insane like he has been for the past two weeks.

              Granted, he’s probably the A-Rod of the past 2 weeks but he hasn’t done that enoough to prove it yet.

              • andrew

                But i think his point is: Alex in his “horrible slump” has still outperformed Young on the season, both in counting stats, and in the percentages.

                • RAB poster

                  Now that he’s OUT of his horrible slump he’s been playing out of his gourd, to use an unusual if poetic expression.

                • Salty Buggah

                  Not really, this A-rod’s usual level, if not better really, of play. When he is hot, he is even better. This is pretty much normal, maybe slightly better.

              • Thomas

                With respect to WAR, your sample size doesn’t matter in evaluating who has been the better player over past games. A-Rod has been a better player over the past half season than Micheal Young has as shown by his higher WAR.

                Sample size matters when trying to predict future outcomes based on past results.

                • Salty Buggah

                  WOW!! That’s awesome for A-rod and the Yanks. He rocks and helps us rock. I can’t believe some thought we would be better without him.

                • RAB poster

                  But what if when A-Rod plays as many games as Young his WAR gets lower?

                  That’s why sample size matters.

                • Salty Buggah

                  Nah, even WITH his horribly bad stretch and not so good unhealthy defense during that stretch, he has a higher WAR. So, he has gotten to his normal level and if he stays anywhere close to that level, which he probably will, his WAR will be better no matter what. And when you factor in A-rod’s bad luck, it should improve that much more.

                • RAB poster

                  But we can’t gurantee that since he played so many less games.

                • Salty Buggah

                  Actually, that strengthens the argument. With so little games, he still has been better. WAR is a cumulative stat so even with his bad play, which lasted a while, and in less games, he has surpassed Young, who has so many more games but still has been as productive. So even if he has another slump, he will come out, so his WAR will stay higher.

                • Salty Buggah

                  *hasn’t

                • Thomas

                  True, but it could also go up or stay constant. For the All-Star game, you have to evaluate by what the players have done at the time of selection and at this time A-Rod has been superior.

                  For another example, by your logic, you would rather have pick Ronald Belisario for the NL team (2.44 ERA in 48 IP) over Ryan Franklin (0.84 ERA in 32 IP), because if Franklin got as many innings his ERA could go up to Belisario’s level.

                • RAB poster

                  Yes, but A-Rod has, at least it seems like he has, played a SIGNIFICANTLY less number of games than Young. W/such a small sample size you can’t really judge whether that’s the outlier or norm.

                • Thomas

                  When picking All-Stars, I’ve always picked on how the player has performed up to that point of the season. I’ve never debated whether or not the season is a statistical outlier or likely to continue through this season/rest of his career.

                  At this point in the season, A-Rod despite playing in 25 fewer games has accumulated more worth than Micheal Young. The same can be said for Jason Bartlett and Jeter, Bartlett has been worth much more despite playing in 13 less games.

                  However, when it comes to predicting future events, then sample size is a key factor. Based entirely on this half season, I would be more likely to predict A-Rod and Bartlett not keeping up their present pace than Jeter and Young, because Jeter and Young have played in significantly more games. But that would not effect my All-Star voting.

                • andrew

                  But then again, Josh Hamilton gets voted in.

      • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

        Longoria’s had a better year than either of them

        http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=28639

        • Thomas

          Oh, I know Longoria has been great and is the well deserving starter. I was just saying A-Rod has been superior to Young who was selected as Longoria’s backup. In no way should A-Rod be starting over Longoria.

        • RAB poster

          You’re right.

          • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

            I’m always right, dammit.

  • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime

    Montero has another 0-fer tonight. He’s slumping =(.

    • Stephen

      BUST!!!11!
      I think you gotta go more than two games without a hit for it to be a slump.

      • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime

        Oh, I know. I wasn’t serious, just exaggerating =P

        • Stephen

          haha ok sorry then

      • RAB poster

        She was joking.

        Seemed like that to me anyway.

        • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime

          You know me too well.

          • RAB poster

            Wasn’t exactly difficult to figure out. :-)

        • RAB poster

          She beat me to it then.

    • http://www.retire21.org Mike R. – Retire 21

      Montero 0-4, K
      Romine 1-3, BB

      Hence:

      Romine>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Montero

  • http://and-that-happened.blogspot.com Evan

    When that ball girl made the catch, I thought back to Skippy. I miss seeing him make great plays along the line.

  • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime
  • Zach

    Rasheed Wallace to sign with Celtics per ESPN

    • Steve H

      Sweet!

      • Zach

        be interesting to see if they start him. can him and KG play together? or is he going to be basically a starter on the 2nd unit?

        • Steve H

          I think he’ll be 2nd unit, but probably will be closing games at the 5 with KG at the 4. Obviously depends on matchups, and Perk is in foul trouble about 2 minutes into every game, so I’m sure Sheed and KG will spend a lot of time on the court together. I’d love to see those two go at it in practice.

          • Zach

            so their second unit consists of Sheed and House. Marbury is leaving, Powe is leaving, Davis is leaving if he gets an offer over 3m a year.
            I know they drafted some kid who’s a scorer, but hes also 25 I think. Their season all depends on KG’s health though

  • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime

    Jesus struck out to end the game. I am sad.

  • Zach

    Randy Johnson has a strained shoulder, velocity went from 90 down to 81 on his FB

    • Steve H

      Put him in teh 8th!!!!

      • Thomas

        +1

    • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

      Wang’s fastball went from 92 to 86, and he’s not 45 years old.

      In all seriousness, I was amazed how fast Posada picked up on it. Wang didn’t complain or motion to the dugout, he just threw a lousy fastball and Posada checked him out immediately. Seems like they caught it before any major damage was done. The fastballs he threw just before the bad one were clocked at 90-92 according to Giradi.

      • RAB poster

        Well, Joba’s fastball went from 98 to 91. :-)

        • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

          2-seamers according to Girardi.

      • Zach

        I think thats overlooked by a lot of people. Not saying Cervelli wouldnt/couldnt have seen it, but Posada did and like you said could have prevented Wang from forcing the next pitch.

  • MikeD

    It is surprising that Hinski hasn’t even pinch hit in three games. He’s just as capable of making an error as 3B as Ransom did today, and he actually has shown he can hit at the Major League level.

    • Zach

      Hinske has the follow career numbers against lefties:
      .221 avg, .298 obp, .364 slg and .661 ops

      he was suppose to start today until Toronto switched starters.

    • Steve H

      Hinske has a .661 OPS in his career against lefties. Ransom’s is .827. Glad Girardi is making the lineups.

    • steve (different one)

      Hinske is a defensive downgrade at every position he is capable of playing, including 3B.

      in 3 tight games, who do you pinch hit him for?

      if they were LOSING one of these tight games late and Girardi did not pinch hit Hinske, i could see your point. then you risk the downgrade on defense b/c you need to score.

      but that hasn’t been the case. they’ve been AHEAD or tied.

      besides, if they needed a pinch hitter today for Ransom, i’d hope Girardi would opt for that A-Rod character.

      i expect Hinske to start in LF on Tuesday or Wednesday.

      • Little Bill

        Yeah, I think we’ll see him play for Swish in right or Damon in left a couple times this week. I don’t think we’ll see him at 3rd much as he’s not good there. I think people we’re mistaken if they thought Hinske would be the primary backup to A-Rod at 3rd. He is filling the bench role Nady would have if he had came back.

  • Michael W.

    All this sarcastic, exaggerated complaining is getting old.

    There’s enough stupid fans out there that actually believe Joba should work the eighth or Montero’s o-fer is more indicative of his talent than a HR.

    People mimicking these morons are only adding to the problem. It’s funny once or twice. Every time after it’s dumb.

    • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime

      Uh, dude?

      You totally need to look up ‘humor’ in the dictionary.

      • JobaWockeeZ

        Baseball is serious business. Go ask Jorge.

    • RAB poster

      Wow.

      Just wow.

    • Salty Buggah

      RAB readers get it and the way they say it with the “!!11!1!eleventy!1!!!” even the morons or new readers will understand.

      • Salty Buggah

        and if the “morons” do not get, you need to understand they are “morons” after all.

    • Steve H

      IDETC.

      • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

        IETC.

        • Thomas

          ICWUDT

    • gxpanos

      Unfortunately for everyone who replied to this dude…

      He’s right. Not funny. Hasnt been funny for like a year.

      And telling him to look up humor in the dictionary? He knew those are all meant to be jokes. He was just saying they werent funny.

      • Steve H

        All this time I found humor in these jokes, and apparently I was wrong. They are not funny, because you say so. I was unaware I was able to decide, on my own, what I find humorous and what I don’t. Thanks, much appreciated. Next time I hear a new joke, instead of laughing, I’ll run it by you two comedians and you can let me know if I should be amused or not.

        • gxpanos

          Mm. Try to re-read this without the initially intended sarcasm. Two things will happen: you’ll read some statements that are true, and you’ll happen upon a solid plan to become funnier.

    • VO

      Wow you took the sarcasm to a whole knew level man, YOU ARE AWSOME!

  • LiveFromNewYork

    Did anyone see Joba’s post game interview? It REALLY bothered me in its Kennedy-eque failure to get reality. He said he pitched well, his mechanics are working etc but they are good hitters. When asked if it bothered him that he got boo’d he said no (that doesnt really bother me but the attitude was there).

    The attitude really bothered me…and the contrast to Girardi’s who said they need to work on things with him. Joba seemed to think there wasn’t anything to work on.

    • Zach

      Dont take post game interviews so damn seriously. Have you ever watched Jeter’s? It’s the same whether they win 1-0 or lose 22-4. ‘Did some things right, did somethings wrong. It all starts with our pitching, those guys are important and we have faith in them, etc’

    • Nady Nation

      I usually don’t take too much out of the postgame interviews, but I’m with you. Joba’s blase reaction to his outing irked me. Obviously, he doesn’t have to sit there and pout or be miserable, but at least acknowledge that you have lots to improve on and you sucked today. Don’t tip you cap to the Blue Jays’ pathetic lineup by saying they have “great” hitters who hit “good” pitches today, b/c the fact is Joba mislocated and hung pitches all day.

      • Zach

        yeah pathetic Blue Jays lineup that ranks #2 in the league in batting average and #6 in runs, thats one place ahead of the almighty Rangers

        • Nady Nation

          So you’d agree with Joba’s analysis that Scutaro, Overbay, Wells, Rios, Dellucci and Chavez are “great hitters”? I’ll have to agree to disagree.

          • Zach

            I dont care what he called them, they’re in the major league for a reason and their lineup is not ‘pathetic’ like you want to say it is.

          • Zach

            And LOVE how you dont mention their 2, 3 and4 hitters: Lind, Hill, and Rolen. Scutaro would be #2 on the Yankees in OBP, Overbay is right behind Tex, Rios & Wells always kill the Yankees when they play

            • Nady Nation

              IMO, 6 of their 9 hitters are average at best, and this is a lineup Joba definitely could’ve had success against. The bottom line is Joba pitched like shit, and it would’ve been nice to hear him take some accountability, instead of patting himself, and the opposition, on the back.

              • Steve H

                Please, name the average ones. Because most of them are above average. Wells and Rios are two of the below average ones, and historically they are both above average. Please, don’t let facts get in the way of your opinion.

                • Zach

                  screw their stats, Nady Nation thinks they’re average at best so they must be average at best.

                • Nady Nation

                  Chavez? Delucci? These are above average hitters? Whatever, sorry that I offended you guys so much by differing in opinions of Joba’s postgame remarks.

                • Steve H

                  Those are 2 of the 4 below average ones, with Wells and Rios.

                • Nady Nation

                  OK, so that’s half their lineup that’s average or below. I’ll give you Scutaro being average, and I admit, I shouldn’t have classified Overbay with that group. Again, I acknowledged that this whole issue isn’t that big a deal, just that Joba’s response rubbed me the wrong way. Don’t know why my differing opinion is causing such an issue.

    • Little Bill

      Attitude is only relevant to the people on ESPN who say personalities win championships. Paul O’Neill had heart, Joe Torre is classy, and Scott Brocious had grit. That’s why the Yankees won 4 rings. The HRs Joba gave up weren’t exactly belted out of the stadium. Joba will be just fine.

    • Steve H

      Go watch Tom Brady after a 4 int or a 4 td game and you can’t tell which is which. I could care less about postgame interviews and what is said. Joba didn’t get the job done today on the field, who cares if he says he pitched well. He didn’t, I know it, you know, and truly, Joba knows it. Whatever he said today has zero affect on his next time out.

      • Nady Nation

        Brady also would never say “I threw the ball well, they just have some great DBs over there” after throwing 4 INTs.

        • Steve H

          But what does it matter? These guys aren’t paid to speak, they’re not salesman, if they perform on the field, they perform on the field. If they don’t, they don’t. Regardless of what they say, what happens between the lines is what matters.

          • Nady Nation

            Not saying it’s a big deal, just saying his whole “I pitched well, the hitters hit good pitches” response, when that clearly wasn’t the case, bothered me. That’s all.

    • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

      Yep, saw it and thought the exact same thing. Its one thing to have a pitcher understand the nature of the game and give credit to the opposition, its another for him to have absolutely no concept of the idea that he pitched like shit, and seems to have no pride whatsoever in his job performance.

      He said “I though I pitched well” and “They have a great team over there.” First, no they don’t Joba. They’re 6th in the AL in Runs Scored. That’s middle of the pack, not “Great”. And he pitched especially bad after the Ransom Error. You would understand a run or two in that spot, but 5 runs with a man LOB is doing a horrible job.

  • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

    Its amazing how many people who think they are sabermetrically inclined are so dead set against Hughes in the setup role. I think they are hung up on the title ‘8th Inning Guy’ which leads them to believe the 8th inning is somehow more valuable than all others. That shows a fundamental lack of understanding in how Bullpens are built, and is neither the role being discussed for Hughes or the Bill James concept.

    A better term would be the one Bill James used, “Relief Ace”. A guy who is one of your best arms in the bullpen, that you use to put out fires anywhere needed in the late innings. That is a highly valuable, game changing role and is certainly no waste of a good young arm. You (of course) need a good 5-man rotation for the role to have any meaning, but assuming you have that (which the Yankees do) then the Relief Ace is an important component to assembling a championship caliber team.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_James

    “One point of controversy was in handling the Red Sox’ relief pitching. James had previously published several analyses of the use of the closer in baseball, and had concluded that the traditional use of the closer both overrated the abilities of that individual, and used him in suboptimal circumstances. Reportedly, James influenced a reorganization of the Boston bullpen, with several moderately talented relievers and no clear closer. When Boston lost a number of games due to bullpen failures, they were forced to acquire a traditional closer (Byung-Hyun Kim) in order to address the issue. Many writers considered this to be a rejection of James’ ideas, and the signing of ace reliever Keith Foulke following the season further suggests this. Others, however, argue that the Boston pen was simply not very talented and that the outcome doesn’t necessarily undermine James’ arguments.

    It should be noted that Boston did not implement James’ idea of the “relief ace”. James did not suggest a “bullpen by committee”; rather, his studies showed that the relief ace should be used in close or tie games as early as the 7th inning, when the outcome of a ballgame is often decided. Boston had no relief ace in 2003. During the 2004 regular season Foulke was used primarily as a closer in the Tony La Russa model; however, Foulke’s usage in the 2004 postseason was along the lines of a relief ace with multiple inning appearances at pivotal times of the game. Houston Astros manager Phil Garner also employed a relief ace model, perhaps unwittingly, with his use of Brad Lidge in the 2004 postseason, further demonstrating the efficacy of James’s relief ace concept.”

    • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime

      *returns hugs from this morning*

    • http://and-that-happened.blogspot.com Evan

      I agree with you on being fine with someone in a relief ace role (hence my giddiness when Aceves had his 4-inning save today). I just was skeptical in whether Hughes would be used as such and thus was a bit skittish about him being kept in the ‘pen if he was used as a “8th inning guy” where the leverage may not be THAT high.

      That said, I just checked the game logs and his recent outings have been in pretty high leverage situations.

      • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

        Speaking of Ace’s 4 inning save, that might line him up for that 5th starter spot, or so I hope. I think he’s the best option, despite his valuable pen work.

        The way I’d like to see this play out is Hughes as the Relief Ace and Aceves as the temporary 5th starter. Alby can be our long man to replace Aceves. I think that’s our best ballclub overall.

        • kunaldo

          i am a big proponent of the relief ace and really hoped girardi would have been the one to use mo as that…unfortunately, this did not happen…somewhat understandably so, as everyone else does it, and it’s hard to tell an established future HOFer that he’s not pitching what is the glory role in the pen(made so by the media/dumb save rule)

          BUT, my beef with what you’re saying about hughes is that while our rotation is certainly excellent now, andy pettitte will not be around for much longer in all probability, so wasting the future of possibly a spectacular young starter as a relief ace while you could just use stuff off the scrap heap(see: aceves, alfredo) for such roles and be successful is not something i agree with

          HOWEVA, if you mean just for this year, then sure, it’s not a bad idea…although, a) we have Ace and b) i’m not too happy about him probably not getting to his innings ceiling…but then again, he’s young

          • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

            I see the Relief Ace and Closer as two separate roles. A rich team like the Yanks really should be able to afford to have both, where you use one as a fireman and the other to close out games. Especially given Mo’s age, this makes more sense than ever.

            The Relief Ace would generally back up the tiring starting pitcher, and the Closer backs up the lesser arms in the bullpen.

            • kunaldo

              i mean, i see what you mean since it helps mask the sabremetric-ness of the situation from the media and the rest of the league(since the idea of no real “closer” and just a relief ace would come under much scrutiny). and yes, the yankees should be able to afford both. however, in an ideal world there should just be multiple relief aces, all of whom back up whoever gets in a hairy situation

              still, as a way to ease these “nerdy” ideas onto the traditionalists, your idea is def excellent…with aceves :o)

        • http://and-that-happened.blogspot.com Evan

          That would work.

        • http://anewfrontier.wordpress.com Pablo Zevallos

          I agree with your overall point, but I would switch Hughes and Aceves in your model.

          • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

            Maybe ideally, but right now Hughes isn’t stretched out and Aceves is.

    • The Fallen Phoenix

      +1.

  • Brett

    My friend was telling me that during the Phillies game, in between innings, they had a segment on what the players wanted to be doing in 20 years. Ryan Howard wanted to be lying on a beach, Charlie Manuel wanted to be managing. Jason Werth said he wanted to be in the stands of an MLB game watching Jamie Moyer pitch.

    I found that amusing and thought I would share

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      Jason Werth said he wanted to be in the stands of an MLB game watching Jamie Moyer pitch.

      With Ruben Amaro as GM, anything is possible.

  • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

    Yo, guys, I don’t know about you, but it’s toooooooootally time to DFA Matsui. The guy is just such dead weight and he provides absolutely nothing to the team. He can’t run, he can’t field, and he can’t hit anymore. What a waste of a roster spot!

    Hehe…

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Shelley should have been up here like yesterday. He brings ENERGY!!!

      • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

        I have “Energy” and “Spunk” and “Grit”, how come I’M not in the big leagues?

      • Brett

        And as PeteAbe says if nothing else Shelley can beat up some little children, I do not think theres enough of that in the current team.

        • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

          Well if you can’t win, you can always beat up the kiddie-poos, I suppose.

    • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

      Just wait until his next slump, you’ll be saying it too!!!

    • JobaWockeeZ

      He’s terrible. Call up Shelly!!!11!! All these young guys all hit 1.000

      • JobaWockeeZ

        I meant AAA guys, not young guys.

  • http://and-that-happened.blogspot.com Evan

    Sometimes, I hate “Evan the sports fan”. I try to think rationally yet still fall into many of the same traps. Then again, that thought probably shouldn’t be limited to sports.

  • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

    Loving the Rays losing.

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=290705113

    I’m hoping against hope they fall out of it. They scare me in the playoffs WAY more than the Sox do. The Sox are just like us, but just not as good (except in the bullpen). The Rays are just a better overall team in so many ways.

    They can score runs in more ways than we can (#1 Runs/#1 SB/#2 OPS)

    Their bullpen has actually been really good (#3 Bullpen ERA)

    Their starters are too good to slump all year (#12 Starters ERA)

    They just scare the crap out of me.

  • Zach

    Jon Miller and Joe Morgan just said that starting pitching is the most important part of the game.

    But arent they b-jobbers??

    • Steve H

      It’s obvious to anyone that the 8th inning is by far the most important part of the game. It goes without being said, that’s why they didn’t mention it before starting pitching.

  • Kulish

    Mike RE: McAllister

    That’s interesting. When you go to milb.com and search for him, no team is listed for him. I was checking to see where he ranked as far as pitchers go in the EL and, he’s gone from there too.

    http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=s_pla&q=mcallister&x=0&y=0

    • http://161stStreet.wordpress.com Chris A

      When I click on his name in that link it says Trenton.