Jul
18
Open Thread: More baseball infographics
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Late last month Ben interviewed Craig Robinson, owner of the great site Flip Flop Fly Ball. Craig produces baseball infographics like this one about the height of the Green Monster, and he’s got a new set out now. Make sure you head on over a check them out, otherwise feel free to use this as your open thread. Anything goes, just be nice.
That’s quite a cool statistic.
Wouldn’t it make more sense for the percentage to be taken from hall-elegible players and not from all players?
The numbers of bona-fide Hall of Famers are actually LOWER than 1.34%, when players such as Satchel Page (Who was elected on his Negro League exploits) and undeserving players such as Rabbit Maranville (.254 career batting average) are included. What is an interesting fact is that there is only one player on an NL West team that can be projected as a Future Hall Of Famer, and even he has the steroid taint (Manny). That should give an indication of how difficult election really is.
(Randy Johnson)
Are you trying to say that Satchel Page is undeserving? Really?
I’d hazard a guess that at at least some of the following players will have a shot.
Tim Lincecum
Justin Upton
Matt Kemp
Clayton Kreshaw
Troy Tulowitzki
Ublado Jiminez
Well the percent in HOF number should be close to 50%. I mean if Mr. Fear Jim Rice got in…
So, I went to my first game at the new stadium today. Several things…
1) Verlander is really good
2) CC was very frustrating. Taking forever between pitches, deep counts against poor hitters…but it turned out well
3) Ordonez’s bat is really slow.
4) All the fans around me were about as well-informed as Joe Morgan. It was really aggravating.
5) They also really enjoyed Cotton-Eyed Joe and the YMCA. Boo.
6) Everyone loves to pile on ARod.
So, basically…the stadium was gorgeous, my seats were great, and I hate most Yankee fans.
“…and I hate most Yankee fans.”
Which is why you should be thanking Mo every night that he blessed us with RAB
Amen, brother, amen.
I do.
There were guys bitching at ARod for not laying out on his bad hip “like Mike Lowell would do,” completely unaware that he just missed three weeks on the DL due to hip issues.
There was one guy wishing for Abreu back in RF, and constant ripping on Swisher.
My mother was complaining about why the Yankees didn’t re-sign Abreu during the Angels series. I tried to explain it to her but she was too tired to understand.
Most Yankee fans go by what they hear in the NY Times, Mike Francesa and such. Not everyone is as well informed as RAB is.
I wish CEJ and YMCA would die already.
That’s what you get for buying a cheap seat. You wind up sitting with the riff raff and the unwashed masses. Harumpf!
I didn’t. I was six rows (and one divider) behind Michael Kay.
I think I might have met more informed fans in the cheap seats. I’ll find out tomorrow
That’s likely, actually.
Lots of the fans in the cheap seats are stretching to buy tickets at all. They’re there because they love it, not because it’s just something to do.
I’ve sat everywhere, and there are dopes everywhere and bright people everywhere as well. The dopes are just MUCH, MUCH louder.
Right, what I meant to say was “That’s what you get for sitting in those overpriced seats!! Sit with the REAL Fans next time!! Harumpf!!!”
Ok I just watched the postgame interviews and Kim Jones has been using “gritty” too much and 3 times today. It’s kinda annoying.
I hope she wasn’t using it to describe CC. As a black man, the proper term is “athletic”
shut up you racist.
My sarcasm detector has failed or you haven’t been around that long here. It’s a running joke.
no sarcasm, he seems serious. doesnt understand that whozat is making fun of how white ball players are called ‘gritty’ while black players are labeled as ‘athletic’ or ‘toolsy’
As per ESPN’s game recap:
“A gritty Sabathia allowed five hits and three walks but stranded seven runners.”
Looks like ESPN is trying to break down these stereotypes.
I laud their efforts. Next, maybe they’ll call Pedroia athletic.
I hope she starts using the term “grinder”. That would be kinda hot.
Gotta love the Onion.
http://www.theonion.com/conten....._easy_play
“With all due respect to all the fine and wondrous relievers out there in Baseball Land, isn’t Hughes yet another nail in their coffin, value-wise? Good relief pitchers are merely failed starters, while great relievers — Billy Wagner and Mariano Rivera come to mind — might simply be good starters who never got a real shot to start. Makes me wonder if instead of bringing good minor league relievers to the majors, teams should instead focus on good minor league starters as bullpen material.”
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/swe.....iance.html
Ahem . . . . well, uhhh . . no comment.
In all seriousness, I agree 100%. The off-the-charts success of Joba, Hughes and Price in the pen and their struggles as starters shows just how much easier it is to only have to go once through a lineup, if that.
And the Yanks have been using pitchers as starters in the minors who they envision as eventually becoming MLB relievers. Phil Coke is a good example of that. The trend of drafting relievers out of College seems to be sputtering of late, with very few making an MLB impact.
I’ve never bought into this “relievers are a different breed” nonsense. Most of that seems to come from the fact that they have bad-ass theme songs and ones like Gossage and Paps try to intimidate people. But Clemens and Pedro were intimidators as well, just without the loud music. At the end of the day, it comes down to your stuff, and the ability to throw quality strikes. If you can do that, you will get people out. Whether its the 3rd inning or the 9th.
Which begs of Mo the question:
What could have been?
He has outstanding control, excellent stuff. He’d get guys out. But he might have had trouble with endurance being of slight build, and he would have needed a 3rd pitch.
Make that a 2nd pitch.
+42
The comments on that article are awesome
Hahahah! Just read them.
It all comes back to ‘Joba in the pen’ and trading for Halladay.
“if i were the Yanks and decided to make a move for Halladay i would absolutely go for the package of Halladay/Rios and be willing to absorb both contracts in exchange for not including Hughes/Joba/Montero or AJax in a deal…by absorbong both contracts i’m taking close to 75mil in commitments off their books in exchange for something like Nova/McCallister/Rom ine/Melancon/Duncan, Shelley”
thats my favorite
SHELLY DUNCAN?!?!
WHAT IS HE, NUTS!?!?!!
i know, shelly is an untouchable prospect
I MEAN, COME ON!! I LIKE HALLADAY, BUT SHEESH!!!
“while i understand that there is no “sexy” name in this deal it is a quality package if talent that could all be contributing to Torontos roster by mid 2010….Romine althogh not as hyped as Montero is a very solid all around C prospect who’s actually a much much better defensive catcher than Montero witha real good bat with 20-25 homer power,Nova and McCallister have the stuff to be 2/3 type ML starters and Shelley could play 1b/OF/DH and give that team some RH pop right now as a replacement for Rios and none of these guys would make any $ for 4-5 more years… ”
forgot to give his reasons
I dunno, this one’s pretty good too
Teams should stockpile there minor league teams with 6 starters (of course, easier said than done), then rotate the closers role among the six. Let each guy be closer for a month, and when his month is up, he goes back to the rotation. This way, guys would learn the differences between the roles, thus figuring out what they are suited to do in the minor leagues. This would also help teams keep guys innings down, without as strict a pitch count limit.
I saw that earlier…
Its a bit sacrilegious, but its also true.
Call me and Rob ‘Galileo’, I guess. Are you a heathen as well?
We all need to keep the little O’Noras in our thoughts. He suffered the cruelest fate in the Twins-Rangers game.
what happened?
Morneau fouled off a pitch, hit the ground and then bounced up into O’Nora’s cup region. He even had to take a 2nd injury timeout later in the inning to get things sorted out. He definitely needed Littell’s Nutty Buddy.
oh dear
*fouled off a pitch which hit the ground.
whozat is a racist pig and an elitist. you’re a real tough guy online but you won’t say anything during the game. i wonder why?
whozat: reply below and tell me when you’re coming to the game next. let’s have a little chat.
Please stop picking fights. He made a comment about typical stereotypes that are used in sports and meant no harm by it.
Won’t say anything during the game? The game has been over for hours.
Racist? On this site we constantly mock the stereotypes that infest sports fandom and journalism. White guys are gritty, black guys are athletic/toolsy, and latinos are lackadasical.
We make fun of these things because they’re ridiculous. People need to create these narratives for themselves when, really, any guy of any race can be toolsy, gutsy, graceful, lazy, clumsy, or out-of-shape.
But hey, thanks for assuming the worst.
Medchill with his 8th HR…2 for 3 on the night so far…
drinking and playing wii. great sat night ahead.
Here are some headlines:
mlb.com – Jays’ bats fuel Rzepczynski’s first win
yahoo sports – Jays end Red Sox’s 4-game winning streak
ESPN – Lowrie returns with HR, but Jays beat BoSox
Bias anyone?
MLB.com just wants to prove it can spell Rzepczynski
LOL
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/s.....-for-Cards
So Glaus cant throw from 3B to 1B, but he can play LF? Guess Damon will no longer have the weakest LF arm in the majors
GRAND SLAM MONTERO on 3-2 count with 2 outs…ties game at 4!
ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS!??!
Yes ma’am!
HOLY FUCK YOU ARE!
HOLY JESUS MONTERO!
(Yeah, yeah, I know I shouldn’t have a pet cause, but…)
Can’t to see him do that in Toron . . . I mean the Bronx.
IETCVM
The best part? Lars Anderson: 0-3 3SO
BAHAHAHAHAH
Worse FA signing:
- Pavano with the Yankees, or
- Schmidt with the Dodgers?
Despite my personal hatred I have to vote for the Schmidt deal?
agreed…unbelievably so = )
Schmidt’s deal was for more money and he made fewer starts.
That’s like Beckett signing with the Yanks next year on a 4 year deal, and only starting like two games over the course of that contract
Between Jason Schmidt, Juan Pierre and Andruw Jones, its amazing Ned Coletti still has a job. But they have the best record in baseball, so I guess all is forgiven.
Kershaw, Billingsly, Kemp, Ethier, Martin, Broxton, Loney is why he has his job too
Billingsley, Kemp, Martin, Broxton and Loney were Logan White & DePo.
Nevermind then
AND the Dodgers knew he had a torn shoulder when they signed him
Ned Colletti was also coming from the Giants and thus had had access to Schmidt’s medical records.
The Pavano injuries weren’t foreseeable, but Schmidt’s shoulder woes totally were.
Barry Zito and Vernon Wells are both comparablly bad at best.
Rays pitcher Scott Kazmir left the game due to an arm injury, per Gameday.
ain’t he always hurt?
so there is 30×25= 750 major leaguers in the league at any given time, and usually a team probably blow through 40 guys a year when considering callups, fill ins and septemeber guys.
but lets just use 25, it means there are probably something like 80 HOFer in the majors who are playing this year.
Math FAIL. Try 8-9.
Chart says 1.3%
1 – Pujols
2 – A-Rod
3 – Mo
4 – Trevor Hoffman
5 – Derek Jeter
6 – Randy Johnson
7 – Ivan Rodriguez
8 – John Smoltz
These 8 are almost shoe ins. There have to be more than that right?
Chipper Jones says hello.
Manny, Junior. Chipper.
Maybe Sheff.
Ichiro. Pedro, technically.
I thought about Sheff, but I think he’s iffy so I didn’t include him. I left Manny off on purpose as well because sports writers have such a stick up there butts with the steroid era.
Yeah, right or wrong those guys won’t get in for a long time.
He’ll get in Manny on the first ballot.
The way the media fans and ESPN celebrated his comeback, I’ll be shocked if he didn’t get in first ballot.
He should get in on the first ballot anyway. There’s no evidence proving steroids help you hit a baseball. It’s just the holier than though media projecting their beliefs onto us.
True.
Same could be said for Bonds.
But You have to admit there was some hypocrisy with the way the media/fans handle Manny PED use and A-Rod PED scandal.
The steroid guys are going to have a tough time, at least for a while. So take I-Rod and (yes) A-Rod off your list.
Manny and Sheff are steroid guys, too.
Does Pettitte have a shot? The steroid admission can’t help.
I thought Asians were supposed to be good at math?
*golf clap*
Monstero up again with the bases loaded.
what he do?
I didn’t catch the details, but he made an out.
Boo. Was it a run-scoring out?
I hope those fans that are uninformed (or at least as baseball smart as most of the ones on RAB) do not expect the world and then some from him. Imagine if he came up and struggled for like a game and got booed. The sad part is that it’s kinda likely.
I wish that MLB network did a 30 minute recap of the minors. Just talk about the big name prospects and what they did.
Looking back on the Dan Haren trade, Beane got hosed. None of those 5 players amounted to much.
http://www.baseball-reference......da01.shtml
Brett Anderson is pretty damn good.
We’ll see, still in AA.
But going through some of these recent blockbuster trades for starting pitchers (Beckett/Haren/Bedard/Sabathia/Hudson) the trading team did well if they got one big player back.
Also, I can’t believe this but Jarrod Washburn’s ERA is 2.87 and Roy Halladay’s is 2.85. Had no idea Washburn was having such a good year.
http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/p.....asontype/2
He’s got a great outfield defense behind him that’s really helping him out.
Uh, no, Brett Anderson’s been starting for the A’s most of the year. 2 starts ago, he was hitting 97 when he shut out the Red Sox in Fenway on 2 hits.
Very good looking LHP.
You’re right. Its says ‘minors’ next to his name on the Haren BR page with the transaction, that’s what threw me off.
The White Sox did pretty well on that deal too. Albeit indirectly.
I was so hoping the Yanks would trade for Quentin, it wasn’t even funny. They just had nowhere to put him.
On baseball tonight they just totally did a whole segment praising Jeter’s defense.
My head is going to explode.
To be fair he has improved this year defensively.
And I’m surprised they’re not doing a continued segment of how great Boston’s rotation is and how much depth they have in the minors and such.
A jinx perhaps?
I mean after we were 1st on their power rankings once, we went cold.
Rays won again tonight.
Watch out for that team…they are primed to go on a run, and the Yankees must keep the pace.
Maybe New York and Tampa will be the ones to reach the playoffs. Nothing would please me more.
Good write up on Ted Lilly and how the Yankees ( Cashman) drop the ball. I know I argued with a few people here on this topic its nice to see someone have a logical write up on the topic.
http://www.newsday.com/sports/.....?track=rss
Although I can’t blame Cashman for the Weaver for Lilly trade at the time it seemed like a good deal. But Igawa for Lilly in a cost saving move ouch!