Open Thread: Updated Elias Rankings

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Every offseason Elias uses an outdated and occasionally laughably inaccurate formulas to rank every player in Major League Baseball, which in turn is used to determine which free agents will return compensation picks in the offseason. Last year Eddie Bajek of Tiger Thoughts successfully reverse engineered the formulas used, and now provides updated rankings throughout the season to MLBTR. Eddie’s latest rankings update can be found here.

Johnny Damon‘s strong season has him firmly entrenched as a Type-A free agent while Hideki Matsui is a strong Type-B. The problem is that the Yankees won’t offer either player arbitration because if they accept, they’ll be awarded a raise on their current $13M salaries. Usually you’d expect Scott Boras (Damon’s agent) to reject arbitration, but after getting burned with Jason Varitek last year, I’m not sure he’d run that risk again. For the Yanks, it’s basically the same situation as Bobby Abreu last year. Xavier Nady, a Type-B, is a little different than those two because he’s only making $6.55M this year. If he were to accept arbitration, it’s extremely unlikely he’d earn more than $8-9M next year. Is that risk worth it for a potential sandwich round pick? Possibly.

Perhaps the most interesting case is that of Andy Pettitte, who is currently ranked as a Type-B but is very close to the Type-A threshold. A strong second half could boost him up into Type-A land, and if he does it’ll be interesting to see if the Yanks decide to offer him arbitration. Andy’s base salary is only $5.5M, but incentives are likely to push his earnings north of $10M. Depending on what happens with Chien-Ming Wang and how Andy performs in the second half, if could make for a very interesting decision in the offseason.

Jose Molina and Eric Hinske are the only other Yankees due to be free agents after the season, but neither ranks as a compensation free agent. What do you guys think, will the Yankees offer anyone arbitration, or let them all walk like last year? Talk about that, or whatever else you want in this open thread. The Mets and Astros are playing tonight, in case you need some comic relief. Anything goes, just be nice.

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  • yankeefan91 Arod fan

    I really hope the resign Hinske hes a good bat off the bench and hes done a great job so far wit the yanks.

    • Zach

      i’m sure Hinske will test the market and try to find an opportunity to start, although he was unable to last year for some reason. maybe performing in NY the 2nd half of the season and playoffs will help

  • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime

    Did you guys see that Philly fan with the laser pointer attacking Julio Lugo?

    • Steve O.

      Yeah, I saw it. He’d be better off just letting him take his cuts. Idiotic, to say the least.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Benjamin Kabak

    The Andy Pettitte question is going to dominate a lot of the off-season if he turns in a strong second half and Wang isn’t available.

    • Tom Zig

      the latter more likely than the former?

      • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime

        I’d say so. Shoulders are nasty buggers.

        Apparently, I hurt mine, too, and I don’t even play baseball!

        • Salty Buggah

          I’d say so. Shoulders are nasty buggers.

          Can you also they’re salty? ;)

          • Salty Buggah

            *also say

        • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

          FYI-Did you know that the Brits use the word “Bugger” in a very different way than we do? If you referred to something as a ‘Nasty Bugger’ in London, people might look at you funny.

          http://www.thefreedictionary.com/bugger

          • Trapped In El Duque’s Glove

            Yeah, coming from the UK seeing that term is always a little troubling. :)

    • http://anewfrontier.wordpress.com Pablo Zevallos

      I don’t care what happens. Andy Pettitte has no business in a Yankee uniform next year. At all.

      • whozat

        That’s a curiously pugnacious and rather illogical point of view. Let’s say he pitches to a FIP a little above 4 in the second half. Wang undergoes shoulder surgery.

        Next year’s rotation is CC, AJ, Joba, Hughes and ???. Joba and Hughes probably have limits around 180 IP, because they’ve stuck Hughes in the pen for a while. You’ve got Kennedy coming back from injury, Wang coming off surgery, and you need a vet in the back of the rotation.

        There’s NO place for Andy? Really?

        • Zach

          the answers will be: zmac, nova, sheets, or whoever

          but they’re not going to have 3/5 of the rotation under 25 and on innings limit, and sheets is still probably going to sign with texas anyways

          • http://anewfrontier.wordpress.com Pablo Zevallos

            +1

          • steve (different one)

            Sheets? why not Mark Prior?

  • crawdaddie

    Why would Nady get a raise from arbitration if he hasn’t played except a few games?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Players always get raises. He played some this year and picked up another year of service time, so that’s enough.

      • crawdaddie

        No, they don’t as both sides give a figure that the arbitrator picks from which doesn’t automatically means the player gets a raise.

        • Steve O.

          No, you’re thinking of arbritration as in the team still holds the player’s rights or more than 3 years of service time(or 2 depending on if the player is a super two or not). In free agency arbitration everyone gets a raise, no matter the circumstances.

          Don’t ask a question if you claim to know what the answer is in the first place.

      • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

        Pre-free agency players always get raises, because the formula for young players is mostly about service time. But I’m pretty sure teams do much better with aging players like Pettitte.

    • Manimal

      Every player gets a raise but I wouldnt expect it to be much because of the injury.

  • Salty Buggah

    Jays shit the bed today already against the Rays, let’s hope Baltimore wins to somewhat compensate for our loss and the Ray’s win (or should I say Jay’s loss?)

  • Manimal

    I just got front row seats right behind the plate near the dug out and the batters box to trentons game on tuesday. Anyone know whos pitching? Ill be sure to take a lot of pictures

  • Billy

    jesus hit a homer

    • Dorian

      Jesus Montero. That is all.

    • Salty Buggah

      Well, that makes my day 10x better!

    • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime

      FUCK YES

    • Riddering

      Thank you, Jesus.

      • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

        That’s a great idea for a lil’ meme.

        Whenever Jesus does something great (which is just about every day) we can post something like this:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdTLqmY5x3M

        • Riddering

          I was thinking of this gif with my comment:

          http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v21/riddering/Fake%20News/JonthanksJesus.gif

          But that video makes me think how great it will be when we will have Yankees thanking Jesus for winning the World Series when interviewed by Kim Jones.

          Cover of NYT (if we still have newspapers): “What a friend we have in Jesus!”

          • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

            Not bad. Can’t go wrong with Jon Stewart.

  • andrew

    for what its worth, in the show i offered abritation to damon and he accepted. i traded him for prospects to the cards and have jackson in left……..which kinda sucks because hes got zero power.

    in other words, why not offer him arb?

    • Zach

      because who is going to trade for a 37 year old LF, whos now a DH who constantly banged up. not to mention arbitration would give him a salary 13+, when on the open market he’d probably get an Abreu-like 5m gurantee with incentives

      • Steve O.

        That.

        Plus, Damon’s already expressed his desire of staying here so the Yanks can just resign him cheaply, then trade him, making him more attractive. Not that I advocate trading him.

        • Zach

          if they resigned him they couldnt trade him to June 15th

          • Steve O.

            Oh yeah. Can’t they trade him with his consent before then? It was all a matter of hypotheticals in the first place, so I’d say it’s moot.

            • Zach

              Yeah, only know because I heard Boston shows talk about it numerous times about Brad Penny. But there was talk MLB and the union were going to let type a free agents waive their right this offseason, dont think it ever happened though

  • Chofo

    There’s no way Boras will settle for 1 with Damon. Offer him arbitration. Same goes for Nady. Don’t offer Matui. Pettite pretty much depends on what he’ll do in the 2nd half, but I doubt it. They didn’t offer him last offseason

    • Salty Buggah

      He might if he gets to make the $15 mil possible. He’s a 37 yr. old LFer who can’t field anymore and can’t hit much outside of YSIII so he won’t make $15 mil on the market, even maybe not on a 2 year deal.

      • Zach

        even if Boras has Damon decline arb, what team is willing to give up a 1st round pick for Damon?

        • Steve O.

          A team that was willing to give up a first round pick for Raul Ibanez?

          • Zach

            05-08 Ibanez missed 16 games total
            05-08 Damon missed 16 games per year

            that could have something to do with it. or the fact that ibanez was the best OF on the market, behind Manny but only 3 teams could afford manny.

            • Steve O.

              In the grand scheme of things, unless you’re Manny Ramirez, it doesn’t really matter when talking about 37 year old outfielders who can’t field. They’re isn’t much difference between the two, and Ibanez is feasting on NL pitching. Abreu, Dunn, Burrell, etc are about the same or greater talent.

              Either way, it’s moot because the Yanks will not offer arbitration and Damon wouldn’t decline it.

          • steve (different one)

            you mean the 6th most valuable player in the NL Raul Ibanez? the .304/.366/.650 Raul Ibanez?

            trust me, i had my share of jokes in the offseason about that, but it seems like Philly is having the last laugh…

      • Drew

        If Bobby Abreu gets 5 mil again, HInske will get 2 million.

        • Drew

          Oh shit. I didn’t mean for this to go there.

  • Dorian

    Corban Joseph has a Homer too in his first AB. That guy has been the hottest hitter in the system.

  • Salty Buggah

    BAL 0
    BOS 4
    End 2nd

    Go die Orioles!

    • Zach

      4-2

  • E-ROC

    Don’t offer arbitration to Johnny Damon and Hideki Matsui.

    Pettitte is a different story because of what the Yanks might acquire in before the July and August deadlines. Plus, there is Ben Sheets, Justin Duchscherer and Brett Myers. Tim Hudson just might be available if they choose to buy him out. I think the Yanks have other options besides Pettitte. I don’t think they’ll offer arbitration to him

    I would offer arbitration to Xavier Nady. Contract could equal a boom in production or he might decline because he’s a Boras client.

    • Brian

      Brett Myers in pinstripes…. now there is a scary thought.

      He’s a bum.

  • Mikebk

    not sure if this was talked about earlier probably was but mlbtr reported that jp wants Hughes, A-Jax and Jesus for Halladay. anyone still interested?

    • pat

      Not a chance.

      • Mikebk

        agreed and philly was complaining about happ, drabek and and brown. that’s hilarious in comparison

        • pat

          I don’t blame em though, I’d be doing the same thing.

    • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

      I asked Jody MacDonald this question today, and framed it this way:

      “You’re the Yankee GM. I have a crystal ball, if you make the Halladay trade all of these things will happen

      -Yanks will win 2 of the next 3 WS, appearing in all 3

      -Jesus Montero becomes Frank Thomas, A-Jax becomes Devon White and Joba becomes Josh Beckett

      -The Yanks collapse 1964-style in 2012 when everyone gets old at the same time, and have a sub-.500 for the next 5 seasons.

      -The Blue Jays make three straight World Series appearances from 2013-2015, due in large part to the three stars we traded them for Halladay.

      Do you make the trade?”

      For the record, he said yes.

      • Pasqua

        Holy crap! I heard that call. I was feeding my 1 year old lunch, listening to Macdonald. I thought, at first, that you were an insane person just randomly making predictions. As I kept listening, I realized you were establishing the two philosophies.

        Small world.

        • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

          Yeah, I wanted to make it as hard as possible. Fans always look at things one-sided. So in my “crystal ball” BOTH the best and worst case scenarios came to pass. Then the question becomes can you live w/that.

    • http://forums.projectcovo.com/images/smilies/e6omir.gif OmgZombies!

      I wouldn’t do that package for Pujols!

      • http://anewfrontier.wordpress.com Pablo Zevallos

        Um, really?

        • http://forums.projectcovo.com/images/smilies/e6omir.gif OmgZombies!

          Yes really.

          • Mike Pop

            Only cause the Yankees have Teix.

            • OmgZombies

              No losing a stud in Montero and weaken the current team is stupod.

              • Mike Pop

                Dude.. this is Albert Pujols. The Yankees would score 1100 runs!!!!

    • Tank the Frank

      JP Riccardi: I want your top young pitcher, Phil Hughes; your top OF prospect and best overall athlete Austin Jackson; and the possible minor league player of the year, one of the top 3 bats in the minors, Jesus Montero.

      Brian Cashman: How’d you get this number?

      • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

        JP Riccardi: I want your top young pitcher, Phil Hughes; your top OF prospect and best overall athlete Austin Jackson; and the possible minor league player of the year, one of the top 3 bats in the minors, Jesus Montero.

        Brian Cashman: Blow me.

        JP Riccardi: OK, I want Hughes, A-Jax, Montero and a BJ from Hal Steinbrenner. He’s kinda cute.

  • Mikebk

    i think Phil, Z-Mac and A-Jax is a much more comparable package to what they asked philly for, but our group is better at least in pitching and i wouldnt do that, but i think about it for maybe 2 sec. lol.

    • kevin

      The only question mark of the group is Pettite, if he comes with a reasonable price tag. Damon and Matsui are old enough that the Yankees can expect diminished production while the players themselves most likely want stability.

      With all the catching prospects coming up, I can’t imagine Molina returning.

      If the Yankees need pitching they have a chance to sign:
      Eric Bedard
      Rich Harden
      John Lackey and
      Brad Penny

      If the Yankees stay with Swish in right, youth movement in center and only have to cover left field they can look at:
      Jason Bay
      Matt Holliday
      Vladimir Guerrero (with either a position change by he or Swish)

      All in all if the Yankees are comfortable at their current payroll level, they have $40 million in annual salary room to play with, which means potentially a frontline pitcher and a frontline left fielder.

      The ideal situation for me would be Eric Bedard/Rich Harden at $15 million (my pick here because of age although both could be the second coming of Carl Pavano) and Matt Holliday at $18 million (although with Boras who knows what it would take).

      • Mike Pop

        Give me Manny!!!

      • V

        Guerrero’s a DH at this point.

        I wouldn’t mind investigating his price at DH, but that’s all he is now.

        I also don’t sign Holliday for more than a few years at $15M each. Not going to land him.

        This free agent class is mediocre. Next year’s is better. Carl Crawford could be a perfect fit in LF.

        Also, Felix Hernandez is a free agent after 2011. You can guarantee they’ll leave a pitching spot open for him.

      • Zach

        Bedard and Harden are both major injury risks, and with AJ and two starters under 24 next year thats not a smart move. Lackey is probably going to stay in LAA, unless he gets a huge 2nd half and cashes in, and do we really need another 15m+ pitcher?
        Penny sucks

        “The ideal situation for me would be Eric Bedard/Rich Harden at $15 million (my pick here because of age although both could be the second coming of Carl Pavano)” The second coming of Pavano? Injured all the time?
        “and Matt Holliday at $18 million” hes not worth 18m

  • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

    “7:36pm: Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi of FoxSports.com report that the Jays countered the Angels offer by asking for a four player package that included Joe Saunders, Brandon Wood, Erick Aybar, and one prospect from the group of Trevor Reckling, Peter Bourjos, and Sean O’Sullivan. They also mention that as many as five teams are talking with Toronto about Halladay.”

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/07/roy-halladay-rumors-saturday-1.html

    I’m sorry, but Ricchardi has lost his mind. There won’t be a deal if he’s serious about these offers.

    • Mikebk

      that deal is worse than what the angels supposedly offered him that he turned down…Weaver, Wood, Conger, and Trumbo.

      • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

        Saunders, Wood AND Aybar? That’s 3 guys off his MLB roster.

        • TurnTwo

          and none of which will ever be all stars.

          • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

            That’s not the point. Its a win-now deal, and you can’t hurt your team in one area to upgrade it in another. It lessens the value of the deal for you.

            • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

              “….lessens the value of Halladay for you”

              • Mikebk

                and u dont think they can replace brandon wood hitting 150 and erick aybar?

                • Mike Pop

                  Eh, Aybar is nothing special. But, I think Wood needs more time to prove his worth. The Artist is technically right though, they want to add a pitcher. Not replace one with a better one. I’m not a Saunders guy but they need him IMO. LAckey might bizzounce after this year, so they can’t have too many holes.

                  I am wondering why J.P. doesn’t want ERvin Santana with Wood though.

                  Puzzles me a bit.

                • Mikebk

                  maybe because santana had elbow issues this year and the Jays have had enough injured pitchers.

              • Mikebk

                not to mention the point for JP is to rebuild not get mediocre parts to win a couple games this year.

            • zs190

              Does it? Brandon Wood for one has no benefit to this year’s Angels team, Halladay would be a massive upgrade from Saunders, and Erick Aybar is a mediocore SS, they can just play Maicer Izturis there and get the same kind of production. So they essentially lost one utility IF in this upgrade, I don’t see how much that weakens this year’s team.

        • Mikebk

          3 easily replaceable parts.

          Saunders era is like 8 in July and Halladay takes his spot.
          Wood is hitting 150
          Aybar is harder to replace but he is no better than Scuataro.

    • zs190

      I would totally pull the trigger if I were Reagins. Wood is expendable, Saunders is a middle rotation guy at best and about to get expensive, Erick Aybar has a 81 OPS+ in 900+ PA with average UZR, and I doubt all 3 of the last guys are great prospects.

      • Mikebk

        totally agree if JP will say yes to that he can get that BJ talked about above on top of it and they get Halladay to start Wed.

  • zs190

    Anyone know how fast Nady can recover? This is his 2nd TJ surgery, no? I thought there is potentially risk that it might not even be possible to recover from it and even if it recovers, wouldn’t he miss part of next season given how late his surgery was?

    Honestly I’m not thrilled about offering anyone arbitration in this economy. Matsui and Damon make way too much to offer, Pettitte could be quite costly(what if his contracts get to 10+ million with all the incentives?) if he does well in the 2nd half and if he doesn’t do well, would we really want him back? I’m not sure he would even sign with other teams at this stage of his career.

    So I would probably prefer to just not offer it to anyone. This only opens up a hole for a back end starter and a corner OF, I think we could fill those spots with comparable productions at lower costs.

  • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime

    SI_JonHeyman #jays suggested today to #yankees it would take joba, hughes and 2 more for #halladay.

    Right.

    • TurnTwo

      ha, yeah, saw it.

      gotta expect they are going to ask for the moon to trade him within the division.

      think Lester, Bard, and two prospects from the Saux.

      • Mikebk

        more like Lester, Buckholz, Kelly and maybe Anderson.

      • Tank the Frank

        The Jays have plenty of pitching. Any deal with the Sox would start with Buchholz but I think they would want Ellsbury and Anderson after that.

        Bard has almost no value to the Jays.

        • Mike Pop

          More value then Ellisbury I think.

          • Tank the Frank

            How so? Of course, I’m under the assumption that they will try to (somehow) dump Wells or Rios after they trade for Halladay. The Jays are stacked with bullpen arms.

            • Mike Pop

              But, Ellisbury is not all that good. They can’t dump Wells, that’s impossible cause well I don’t think any GM is that stupid to get WElls. Rios could be moved but I doubt it.

              Rios/Snider/Wells, even if they dump one do they want Ells?

              Adam Lind can play some outfield. I mean, Bard has some nasty stuff and I would rather have him then Ells.

              • Mike Pop

                This is all my opinion though. Plus, you can NEVER have too much depth in the rotation/bullpen. We’ve seen this year how bad the Yanks looked after last year the pen was fantastic.

              • Tank the Frank

                Yeah this is all very hypothetical. Wells isn’t going anywhere. But they may be able to move Rios and then they can shift Wells over to a corner spot with Snider. I just feel with Ellsbury they have someone who can step into a premium position right away and produce at the very least above average defense and speed, and possibly hit for a good AVG. As opposed to a power bullpen arm. I feel like the Jays have one or two Bards already. He’s not the kind of player you want in return for Halladay.

                Young possible stud SP – Buchholz
                ML ready CF, premium position – Ellsbury
                Power bat could fill a hole at 1B in a few years – Lars Anderson

                Perhaps Bard could sweeten the pot if the Sox wanted him THAT bad.

                • Mikebk

                  sorry if im Toronto it starts with Lester not Bucholz. No Lester, no deal.

                • V

                  Ellsbury sucks. Don’t buy the Red Sox hype.

                  Ellsbury this season: .289/.337/.388
                  Gardner this season: .274/.351/.391
                  Melky this season: .284/.341/.433

                • DreDog

                  Tradeing Lest for Halladay kind of negates the point of trading for an ace pitcher. Right?

    • Mike Pop

      He can blow Cashman then.

    • Drew

      That’s just a joke. I can’t wait until that prick Ricciardi is fired.

      • V

        If I were him, I wouldn’t ask for anything less.

        Next Thursday? He’ll lower demands a bit, but he NEEDS at least one guy who can be a major league player RIGHT NOW, and at least another who can be by the end of the year, in order to justify trading ROY HALLADAY.

        It’d be like the Yankees trading Mariano Rivera six years ago. He IS the Blue Jays.

  • Mikebk

    Mike, do you have a comparable for A-Jax based on his development to this point? I see these Mike Cameron comps sometimes and i assume that is because of the K’s but any chance he turns out more like Bernie because a lot people forget when Bernie first came up he had very little pop.

    • Mike Pop

      Mike Cameron with less power is what I’ve seen.

      Sign me up.

      • V

        I’d be perfectly fine with that for 6 years in CF, but come free agency, enjoy making your money elsewhere!

      • http://anewfrontier.wordpress.com Pablo Zevallos

        and less D.

    • zs190

      Honestly, I would be thrilled if AJax can be like Mike Cameron even, I don’t think he’ll have that kind of power.

      • Mikebk

        less power than cameron?

        you do realize that cammy hit 22 total homers at age 24 and 25, right?

        • zs190

          Yeah, but he’s a consistent 20 HR guy most of his career and I think AJax won’t have that kind of power. He’s not Brett Gardner kind of weak but I think he would have to get really lucky to hit 20 in one season, most likely a 12-15 homer kind of power.

          • Mikebk

            well i was trying to see if power would develop as it did in the cases of players like Cammy and Bernie cause the first time bernie hit over 12 hrs was when he turned 27 and hit 18 that year.

  • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

    You know what would be great? If the Mariners decided to be sellers, and put Bedard and Washburn on the market at decent prices.

    Halladay:
    ERA 2.62
    W-L 11-3
    SO 123
    WHIP 1.05

    Washburn:
    ERA 2.71
    W-L 8-6
    SO 78
    WHIP 1.06

    Bedard:
    ERA 2.82
    W-L 5-3
    SO 90
    WHIP 1.19

    • Tank the Frank

      Yeah they have some good relievers I wouldn’t mind either. I keep waiting (and hoping) for a nice little losing streak.

      • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

        Although on the flip side is you could hope for Seattle to think they’re still in it and then collapse in a few weeks, after the deadline has passed. Then they will be forced to sell, and be in a weaker position to get anything back.

        There’s really no rush from the Yanks standpoint. We’re in 1st place and won’t really need a pitcher until September when Joba’s innings limits come up.

    • Mike Pop

      Well neither of those packages would include Hughes/Joba/Montero/A-Jax IMO. At least, I would hope that Cash wouldn’t deal Ajax for Bedard. Obviously wouldn’t need to for Washburn.

      A package with Z-Mac for Bedard? Worth it, I don’t know man.

      That’s why Wash is a solid option as pointed out on this blog various times. Cost less and just gives them what they need, not to mention pitching pretty f’in well!

      • Tank the Frank

        Yeah Washburn for sure. He should only cost some B-level prospects. He makes a nice little chunk of change, but whatever…he’s pitching great.

      • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

        There are questions about Bedard’s ability to handle it here. Not sure if they’re true, but it was also out there when he pitched with the O’s, so I’ll assume it is.

        But anyway, I posted that because its surprising how close Bedard and Washburn are to approximating Halladay’s #s. Neither of those guys is Halladay, but for half the price or less you’d rather have either of them. You’re paying FAR less for only a bit less production.

        • Tank the Frank

          Bedard pitched pretty well against the Yanks from what I remember.

          .389 OPS against vs the Yanks in 2007 when he had that great year. Career numbers aren’t as good but neither were Sabathia’s when he was younger.

          Plus you’re only getting him until he goes on his next DL stint.

    • zs190

      I feel like trading for Seattle’s starters is a little bit buying high, we’ll see how JackZ price them but both guys are flyball pitchers playing in a big ballpark with 3 awesome outfielders and significantly outperforming FIP.

      • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

        How so? They’re both Free agents, so as rentals they shouldn’t cost a ton. Nowhere near Halladay’s price tag.

        • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

          BTW-Plus you get the draft picks

          • Mikebk

            1. they are both B’s.
            2. you are going to offer arbitration to Washburn making 10 mil this year?

            • JMK

              Bedard is a B? I can certainly see Washburn, but Bedard would seem to be an A.

              • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

                Hurt last year.

                • JMK

                  Now I remember. Thanks.

            • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

              Coming off this season? Hell yeah. He’s been great, and he’s a lefty that can replace Andy next year.

              Sign me up.

              • Mikebk

                for 12 million bucks…that’s crazy to pay him 12 mil.

        • zs190

          Last year they didn’t give us Washburn even though he was average and we were eating a lot of salary for them. Now Washburn is pitching well and they stand to get draft picks if he walks at end of year. I think rumor has it that they want one top prospect and one B prospect for Washburn.

      • Tank the Frank

        Washburn’s WHIP is paper thin. Fly balls or no fly balls.

        • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

          Perfect for a lefty in Yankee stadium.

          BTW-Check out his splits at the stadium.

          http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/splits?playerId=3834&type=pitching3&three=1

        • Mikebk

          he also has the best OF defense in the league behind him in a big ballpark where he gives up flyballs. do you defensively or our park are equivalent to the D of Ichiro, Gutierrez, Chavez/Balentin cause i certainly dont see it with Damon and Swisher out there

  • JJ

    What sort of draft picks would the Blue Jays get if they hold onto Doc Halladay? Anyone know?

    • Mike Pop

      A 1st round and a sandwich pick after the 1st assuming he stays healthy and all. He would be a type A. This won’t be till after 2010 though.

      • Zach

        And figuring a high market team, that first round pick is going to be 25 or later

      • Mikebk

        probably at best 20 and 31.

    • TurnTwo

      2 picks: one in the first round from the team who he would sign with (as long as its not protected in the top 15), and one in the supplemental round, of the 2011 draft.

      • Zach

        if a top 15 pick teams him does Toronto only get the supplemental? or does MLB get them one between 15 and 16? or?

        • Mikebk

          no they get that teams 2nd round pick instead

          • Zach

            wow that would suck

  • Mikebk

    over at MLBTR

    “He can DEMAND a trade… So if after the season he says “I want out”, then they have until Spring Training to move him to a team he agrees to. I think trading Halladay in the offseason for 1 year of Roy would bring back some nice prospects, maybe even better than Montero, McAllister, and Jackson. These guys are all B level prospects. Their equivalent is Saunders, Moore, and Aumont. That’s solid, but it’s not the kind of package that sets back your organization for years. Halladay also said he’d go to NY or BOS.”

    I thought that yankee hype of our own prospects was a little much but this kind of blind hate of them is worse…Montero a B prospect. haha.

    • Tank the Frank

      Well that’s just plain ignorance.

    • V

      Anyone calling Montero a ‘B’ prospect is batshit insane.

      You can probably get away with calling AJax one, since he’s not showing A prospect power.

  • Bob Stone

    BoSox just nailed down a win 7-2.

  • Tank the Frank

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/hof09/columns/story?columnist=garber_greg&id=4353486

    I’m sorry, I feel for the kid and all…but you have to be fucking kidding me. ESPN is way too far up Boston’s ass. I can’t take it anymore.

    Task # 1 for ESPN – Get Jime Rice into the HOF. Check.

    Task # 2 – Try and paint him as a national hero. Check.

    • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

      Dude, it’s a nice story and he’s getting inducted into the HOF, so it’s timely.

      I hate the Red Sox as much as anyone but you’re way off base here.

      • Tank the Frank

        Nah I just despise ESPN.

        They have Rice as the top story, filled with heroics and sprinkled with gaudy numbers that should lead one to believe he is deserving of the HOF. Ricky Henderson is the real star – the one deserving of the HOF – he’s 2nd page with some story about how he was a good teammate which no one will read.

        I’m of the opinion ESPN does this stuff intentionally. When it comes to advancing Red Sox nation, I’m a firm believer they have an agenda.

        • Zach

          Someone has to be first dude, bitching about who was #1 on the page and who was #2 is just stupid.

          • Tank the Frank

            No that’s not bitching. Plus I can complain about whatever I so choose. But chime in whenever you like mmmmkay?

    • http://www.retire21.org Mike R. – Retire 21
  • Phil McCracken

    The only one I’d consider giving arbitration to is Damon. He doesn’t want a 1 year deal, he’s already said he’s looking for 3-4 to finish out his career.

    So the 1 year deal might help the Yankees if they can’t find someone on the FA market to fill that spot. I guess it all depends on the Bay and Holliday sweepstakes.

  • Teix is the man

    Heh, anybody hear on Mike Francesa Thursday how a guy suggested that the Yanks trade for Lincecum? The dude wasn’t even joking, he was dead ass serious…the look on Francesa’s face was priceless.

    • Zach

      I saw it, fans like those guys Yankees fans a bad name. Although it was similar to the Bard straight up for Mauer trade that a RS fan offered to KLaw.

      • Teix is the man

        What are you talking about?! if Boston offers you Bard for Mauer you jump on that shit =)

        • DreDog

          Naw man, you wait for the Twins to sweeten the pot with Nathan or Morneau.

  • Mikebk

    mike has a story on mlbtr about how the mariners think bedard might be hurt again, so there go that idea.

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/07/club-officials-worried-bedard-may-be-injured.html

  • Teix is the man

    Ricciardi should be fired if he fucks up the Halladay deal. I understand he’s trying to get the best possible deal (and has every right to do so), but Hughes AND Chamberlain? C’mon, that’s how you get people to take you less seriously. I’m sure Cashman was wiping tears of laughter off his face as he hung up the phone.

    • donttradecano

      Riccardi shoulda have been fired before this point

      • DreDog

        Isn’t he a Billy Beane disciple?
        I don’t remember Billy Beane offering Rolen, BJ Ryan, V. Wells, Rios sick contracts though. AND, offering a Burnett deal with an easily accepted opt out clause.

  • DreDog

    Anyone else see a Mets fan post that they should offer Delgado and Wagner arbitration?

  • http://yankeesmtom.blogspot.com Steve S

    What would you guys think of Wlaidmir Balentien? (http://www.yankeesmtom.com/2009/07/wladimir-balentien-would-be-amazing.html)

  • Dela G

    offer only the X MAN arbitration

    everyone can fall off a cliff if they don’t accept a steep pay cut

    • Dela G

      i meant “everyone else” can fall off a cliff

  • Mikebk

    when is someone going to fire Heyman since he is now tweeting that the yanks would give up joba just not both joba and hughes for roy.

    • DreDog

      Straight up? I think I’d do it.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      He never said that. All he said is that the Yanks might consider it. Huge difference. He even made sure to repeat might twice so people wouldn’t misunderstand.

      • DreDog

        Mike, would you do it straight up?

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

          Absolutely.

          • DreDog

            I figured. I would too, but JP would obviously want more.

            I wouldn’t add Montero or Hughes in a Joba package, but I am not sure who I would include.