Archive for July, 2009
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When the Blue Jays trade a pitcher
Posted by: | CommentsWhen I heard earlier this week that the Blue Jays were prepared to trade Roy Halladay, six names ran through my head: Jason Jarvis, Mike Gordon and Marty Jenzen. David Wells, Homer Bush and Graeme Lloyd.
The names represent extremes of the trade spectrum and relate, as we know, to two blockbuster trades between the Jays and the Yankees. The first three were the package of prospects the Yanks sent to the Blue Jays in 1995 for David Cone. That would be a coup for the Yanks as Cone would win four World Series rings with the Bombers, and none of those three would amount to much. The second three were for Roger Clemens prior to the 1999 season. The legacy of that trade is best left to other posts.
As the rumors have grown surrounding Halladay — you can find the latest here on MLBTR — I pondered a post about the prior trades involving the Blue Jays and ace. So did Mark Feinsand. Since there’s no need to reinvent the wheel, we shall examine Feinsand’s charge that the three situations are not alike.
On Cone:
It’s hard to believe that’s all Toronto got for Cone, but don’t forget that he had only been in Toronto for three months when they traded him. He wasn’t the institution that Halladay is. Still, they should have gotten much more for him.
It should also be noted that this took place just months after the 1994 strike, and Cone’s $8 million salary was second-highest in the American League, so the Jays were probably happy enough to dump the free-agent-to-be once they were out of the race. Halladay is signed for another year, so there isn’t the same desperation to get rid of him.
On Clemens:
As for Clemens, the Yankees traded a package led by David Wells to get the Rocket, who had requested a trade and left the Blue Jays with very limited options based on his no-trade clause. If you want to equate that to present-day, the Yankees would have to send Toronto a package led by A.J. Burnett to get Halladay. I’m pretty sure that won’t happen.
Feinsand is on the money with Clemens, but I think the Cone comparisons are slightly closer than he thinks. As they did in 1995, the Blue Jays, a franchise treading water, want salary relief. But, unlike in 1995, their fans know the value of Halladay, and they will have to land more than just three no-names who aren’t going to amount to much.
Earlier this morning, rumors swirled that the Blue Jays asked for a package of three players consisting of Joba Chamberlain or Phil Hughes, Mark Melancon, and Austin Jackson or Jesus Montero. Clearly, J.P. Ricciardi has his intra-division sights set high, and that’s where things stand. The Yankees will not acquire Halladay, and I highly doubt the Red Sox will either. Philadelphia seems to be the likely destination with Texas far behind. The history of Toronto Blue Jays starting pitcher trades will, sadly, probably not repeat itself.
2009 Draft: NoMaas catches up with Damon Oppenheimer
Posted by: | CommentsLane Meyer at the wonder NoMaas Draft Blog interviewed Yanks scouting director Damon Oppenheimer about all sorts of post-draft topics. They talked about Slade Heathcott, Graham Stoneburner, Brett Gerritse, plus a whole bunch of the other tough signs. Make sure you head over and give it a read. Great stuff.
New camera, software system could help rate defense
Posted by: | CommentsDefense: the final frontier. For the past five or so years, baseball statisticians have been seeking a way to rate defenders. They already have measures for offensive value, with stats which reflect a player’s ability to get base hits, get on base, and hit for power. With pitching there are a rash of stats to not only measure how a pitcher did, but also to examine his independent numbers (strikeouts, walks, home runs) to help strip out how the defense helps him. Yet there is so much more that goes into defense that it’s tough to get with batted ball data. Alan Schwarz of the Times notes a new system currently being tested in San Francisco. It uses various cameras, kind of like pitch f/x, to measure the distance, trajectory, and speed of batted balls. It could be the defensive revelation we’ve been seeking.
Bob Bowman, CEO of MLBAM, said that he hopes to be measuring in San Fran by the end of this year, with the goal to get it in all 30 parks by next year. The stats, in some capacity, would be available to the public for a subscription fee — which you can be sure RAB would pony up for. As Schwarz says, “The new camera-tracking system will assess it all to the inch.” I’m pretty stoked to see this in action.
Who will stay and who will go now?
Posted by: | CommentsNearly two hours ago, Chad Jennings broke the news that Mark Melancon is heading to Anaheim to help spell the overworked Yankee relievers. After the Yankees basically got through Thursday’s victory over with the Twins by throwing six relievers, Joe Girardi asked for help and got it.
As Thursday’s game unfolded and it became clear that Alfredo Aceves wouldn’t make it through the 4th inning on his 65-70 pitch limit, I wondered about the decision to start him. Perhaps the Yankees should have made a move to bring up a pitcher who could have thrown 100+ pitchers. They have some 40-man flexibility right now, and they could have summoned Sergio Mitre.
A few fellow Yankee fans noted that the start-by-bullpen would probably be more effective than Mitre or Josh Towers, but I thought that was a short-term outlook. After all, while Aceves and the pen would make for a better outing on Thursday, it would handicap the team heading into a key weekend series against a Wild Card competitor that has a history of success against the Yankees. Short-term gains outweighed the long-term benefits, and Aceves it was.
When the game was over, it was clear that the Yankees needed help. Aceves is out until after the break; The Phils and Mariano had pitched in back-to-back games; and Jonathan Albaladejo and David Robertson had throw 28 and 23 pitches respectively. The Yankees were facing the real possibility of heading to Anaheim with just Brett Tomko and Brian Bruney available for long stints. So Mark Melancon was summoned. The question now because who will stay and who will the go. The answers could be intriguing.
First up are the obvious candidates. David Robertson or Jonathan Albaladejo are probably the ones most likely to go. Neither is available to pitch on Friday, and both have ridden the Scranton shuttle this year. Robertson managed to walk in two runs with the bases loaded on Thursday and can’t find consistency. He is brilliant or all over the place. Albaladejo is expendable and could be up shortly after the All Star break.
The Yankees could also choose to DFA Brett Tomko, but for now, they won’t. It would in fact be anathema to their goal. Melancon is up to add an available arm to the pen. By DFAing Tomko, they would be eliminating an available arm. As much as we want to happen, it won’t. Our best hope is for Melancon to throw strikes and get outs so that the Yanks can jettison Tomko in 10 days.
Finally, we arrive at the intriguing names. Either Phil Hughes or Al Aceves could get sent down for a short time. Right now, the Yankees don’t need a 5th starter until July 21, and neither Aceves nor Hughes are stretched out. If the Yanks send Aceves down, he could start for Tampa or Staten Island on Tuesday or Wednesday to get his pitch count up. He would then be ready for a full start of around 100 pitches on the 21.
Sending Hughes down would put him out of commission for a few more days. If the Yanks want to get Hughes ready, he could pitch on Saturday and then again on the 16th before getting ready for a July 21 start. He’d probably be up to around 85 pitches that day, and the Yanks could opt to have him use those pitches against the Orioles.
Just yesterday, Fack Youk expressed dismay over Joe Girardi’s comments on Hughes. The Yanks’ skipper seemed to indicate that Hughes would be in the pen for much of this year because he’s been so dominant. That, however, impacts his innings limit next year. It’s quite easy for the Yanks to change their mind.
In the end, much of this depends upon Chien-Ming Wang. If the Yanks are concerned about his shoulder and if it doesn’t seem as though Wang will be back any time soon, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Aceves or Hughes join the rotation for a while. No matter who it is though, the Yankees have a lot of choices. It is a testament to roster flexibility indeed.
Edwar blows up as SWB plays a home game on the road
Posted by: | CommentsTwo years ago today on DotF, Phil Hughes made his first rehab start after popping him hamstring in Texas.
Triple-A Scranton (6-3 loss to Lehigh Valley) the field is still a mess, so they played this game in Lehigh Valley even though SWB was technically the home team
Kevin Russo: 0 for 5, 1 K
Ramiro Pena & Austin Jackson: both 1 for 4, 1 R, 1 K – Pena swiped bag
Shelley Duncan: 1 for 3, 1 2B, 1 RBI, 1 BB, 1 K
Juan Miranda & Doug Bernier: both 0 for 3, 1 BB – Miranda K’ed twice
Frankie Cervelli: 1 for 3, 1 RBI, 1 PB – picked off first
Colin Curtis: 0 for 2, 2 BB
Yurendell DeCaster: 2 for 4, 1 R, 1 HR, 1 RBI, 1 K
Josh Towers: 5 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 2 BB, 2 K, 1 HB, 8-5 GB/FB – 45 of 75 pitches were strikes (60%)
Amaury Sanit: 2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 2 BB, 1 K, 2-3 GB/FB – 15 of 29 pitches were strikes (51.7%) … Cuban vet already worked his way up from Hi-A this season … he’s on the Aceves track
Edwar Ramirez: 2 IP, 4 H, 4 R, 4 ER, 1 BB, 1 K, 2-3 GB/FB – 24 of 39 pitches were strikes (61.5%)
Melancon up for bullpen relief
Posted by: | CommentsAfter the Yanks’ victory-by-bullpen over the Twins this afternoon, Joe Girardi hinted that he would ask Brian Cashman for some bullpen relief. The Yankees have obliged, and as Chad Jennings reports, Mark Melancon will rejoin the Big League club in Anaheim. No word yet on the corresponding move, but assume it will be either David Robertson or Jonathan Albaladejo. More on this after Mike’s DotF post.
Baseball America’s Midseason Top 25 Prospects
Posted by: | CommentsThe guys over at Baseball America posted their midseason list of the top 25 prospects in baseball, and Jesus Montero comes in at number three behind only Jason Heyward of the Braves and Mike Stanton of the Marlins. In their subscriber only supplement, they note that Montero could have ranked number one if his defense was better. Two other catchers – Buster Posey and Carlos Santana – make the top ten.
Austin Jackson was included in the “Next 25″ section, but we’re not quite sure where he’d exactly rank. Either way, it’s tremendous honor for both players.
Game 85 Spillover Thread
Posted by: | CommentsThe bullpen is going to have to get 15 more outs. Maybe the Yanks should have used a stretched-out starter today. Or not David Robertson right there.


