Archive for July, 2009
Matt Garza opens mouth, asks for suspension
Posted by: | CommentsAfter Joba Chamberlain threw over the head of Evan Longoria last night, Rays starter Matt Garza retaliated in the fifth by grazing plunking Mark Teixeira in the shoulder. I actually didn’t think it was payback at all; Dioner Navarro had set up inside, Tampa was already down 2-0, and Garza would have been putting two men on for Alex frickin’ Rodriguez. But alas, I was wrong. “I just kind of got tired of people brushing [Longoria] back,’’ Garza said. “I hate to be that guy, but someone had to take a stand and say, “You know, we’re tired of it.” You can go after our best guy, well, we’ll make some noise too, and that’s what happened.’’
Considering Josh Beckett and AJ Burnett received six game suspensions for not hitting batters this season, is it crazy to think Garza might get an 11-game suspension (forcing him to miss two starts) considering he hit a guy and admitted to doing it on purpose? Bobby Jenks got just a $750 fine for admitting he threw behind Ian Kinsler earlier this year, so maybe Garza just ends up missing one start and a couple grand. Who knows, but I think Bob Watson has proven something like this will not go unpunished.
Do we overvalue Yankee prospects?
Posted by: | CommentsThis guest post comes from Moshe Mandel of The Yankee Universe.
We live in a town where the most popular sports talk radio host in the area knows Jesus Montero as “that catchuh in AA that everyone likes so much.” The fact that people who do not know anything about the farm system are the ones informing the masses leads many local fans to view prospects in a dismissive light. You will hear trade proposals from fans that empty a farm system because they really do not know much about the minor leaguers, and the hosts whom they trust are not about to inform them. Those of us who are internet-savvy and read sites such as BP, BA, and RAB tend to believe that our education in these matters grants us a greater understanding of the value of prospects, and we are disdainful of most of these trade proposals. However, there is a downside to our “education.”
Those of us who know all about the prospects quickly become attached to each one’s chances to prosper. We read DotF every night, and dream of the day in 2013 when the rotation is King Felix (of course), Joba, Hughes, McCallister, and Brackman, where Austin Jackson is patrolling center and Jesus Montero is hitting bombs into the bullpen. We tend to overvalue them, glossing over or rationalizing their flaws as youth and inexperience rather than actual limitations of talent.
When John Sickels or BA constructs a list of Yankee prospects, there are invariably claims of bias against the author, as we cannot fathom how player X was given a C+ grade. Suddenly, we are loathe to give up an Austin Jackson or an Austin Romine to improve the club, and would be livid at Cashman if he gave up legitimate prospects for almost anyone but Roy Halladay. While it is easy to say that a middle ground exists where a fan can properly evaluate prospects that belong to his favorite club, it is in practice very difficult for a fan to identify that ground and stick to it.
While I am sure that most of you are thinking “not me, I know how to value the Yankee prospects,” think about how you might have reacted if the Yankees had traded Jackson, Zach McAllister, Romine/Cervelli, and Dellin Betances/Arodys Vizcaino for Cliff Lee, a package similar to the one the Phillies gave up (Mike thought Cervelli and Vizcaino would be enough, Jim Callis thought it made sense with Romine and Betances included). I know that I certainly would have been conflicted about that sort of deal, despite the fact that it probably would have been the right move for the Yankees to make.
This does not mean that we should stop following prospects, or be satisfied when the GM gives them up in a clearly poor deal. Rather, it is important as fans for us to note that most prospects do not pan out. We see all of these guys as future contributors to big league clubs, but reality is usually not so kind to baseball players. A cursory glance at John Sickel’s
Baseball requires such physical precision that minor injuries can entirely derail a player’s career, and scouting in baseball is particularly difficult as a player’s skills often do not translate to higher levels of competition. It is the job of the GM to identify a position of organizational strength and deal from it to supplement the major league club, while retaining the guys that can actually help you down the line. Brian Cashman is fairly good at this, as the only legitimate major leaguers on the 2006 list are still in the organization. Remember that when he trades your personal favorite for a starter or reliever prior to the trading deadline.
What do you think? Does knowing a lot about prospects lead to overvaluation of those assets by the educated fan? Does it cloud our judgment of what might be a fair trade?
Manny, Papi tested positive for PEDs in 2003
Posted by: | CommentsWow. Legacy, meet taint. Taint, legacy.
Update (12:37pm): Here’s the original NY Times article.
Trade deadline open thread – Thursday
Posted by: | CommentsUpdate (12:44pm): The Tigers traded speedy outfielder Josh Anderson to the Royals for cash today. One less option for a Brett Gardner fill-in.
It’s going to be kind of hard to top yesterday, no? With Cliff Lee headed to Philadelphia, seven players changing hands between the Mariners and Pirates, and Freddy Sanchez headed to San Fran in exchange for a top pitching prospect, it would take quite a few moves — or a Doc Halladay move — to top it.
The Yanks weren’t quiet, slipping in an acquisition of Jason Hirsh under the radar. I’ve always been a fan of Hirsh, but I don’t expect him to contribute this year. Hopefully he can work back into shape in Scranton, get a few big league innings in September, and help the team next year.
As far as new rumors go, we heard yesterday that the Yankees were interested in Josh Anderson to help fill in for the injured Brett Gardner. Today we learn that they’re also interested in Corey Patterson. The Yanks have an abundance of potential 40-man roster spots, so they can afford to take a gamble. Xavier Nady and Chien-Ming Wang are both on the 15-day DL and could clear up spots with moves to the 60-day. Sergio Mitre didn’t cost a 40-man spot, because the Yankees DFA Brett Tomko to call him up, so Jose Veras’s vacated spot is still there. Kevin Cash is also out for the season, and although I’m not exactly sure of the rules, they could probably release him and free up a spot.
That might be unnecessary, though, as the Yankees could call up Austin Jackson. I’d still call the move unlikely. WIth the available 40-man spots, Patterson might be a better option right now, since his primary role would be replacing Johnny Damon late in games for defensive purposes. The lack of a true backup center fielder does make it tough to give Damon a day off, because that would put both Eric Hinske and Nick Swisher in the outfield.
Apparently, the Blue Jays have been scouting the Yanks minor leagues, though that would appear to be in preparation to trade a reliever, not Halladay. Mike talked about Scott Downs over the weekend.
That seems to be about it for now. As yesterday, this is a trade deadline open thread. We’ll update it with any big stuff, or Yankee-related stuff, as it comes along.
A look at trade deadlines past: 2006
Posted by: | CommentsWe continue our look at the New York Yankees trade deadline moves with 2006. You can check out the 2005 version here.
Lay of the land
After a tumultuous beginning to the 2005 season, the Yankees were in a much better position in 06. At 52-36 they were just a game and a half back of the Red Sox on July 15, and owned the AL’s fourth best record (remember, the Tigers were on pace for 110 wins at that point). Their pitching was much better, even though Carl Pavano, in the second year of his four-year commitment, hadn’t thrown a pitch.
Chien-Ming Wang was emerging as the team’s best pitcher. Mike Mussina had a torrid first half, going 10-3 with a 3.24 ERA in his contract year. Randy Johnson, despite an ERA in tatters, was still getting enough run support to win games. Even Jaret Wright was pitching well enough to be a fifth starer.
The problem was that one hole in the rotation. Shawn Chacon went downhill after taking a line drive off the shin. At the time, Darrell Rasner, freshly plucked off waivers from the Nats earlier in the year, was having some issues and couldn’t come up. In an apparent desperation move to fill a rotation spot, the Yanks signed Sidney Ponson on July 14. That should show their pitching troubles.
In the bullpen, things were a bit better. Mike Myers wasn’t all that bad. Scott Proctor had emerged as Torre’s seventh inning guy. Kyle Farnsworth, in the first season of his three-year deal, was disappointing. Tanyon Sturtze had bombed. Ron Villone was pitching well after sitting dormant for much of the first half. The Yanks were trying various options, including Sean Henn, though not much was sticking. Hell, even Scott Erickson got into nine games.
The look of the offense, though, was a bit more bleak. Hideki Matsui went down in May with a broken wrist and wouldn’t be back until at least September. Gary Sheffield had surgery on his forearm, and it was uncertain if he’d ever be back. The Yanks were running an outfield of Johnny Damon, Melky Cabrera, and Bernie Williams. It wasn’t the worst, but neither Melky nor Bernie had a lot of power. Things had gotten bad enough that the Yanks signed Terrence Long.
Cashman’s moves
July started slowly for Brian Cashman. The Phillies were demanding Phil Hughes in exchange for Bobby Abreu, which was simply out of the question. Still, Cash made a few under the radar moves, picking up Brian Bruney as a free agent after the Diamondbacks released him, and selecting Aaron Guiel off waivers. Nothing groundbreaking, but again part of Cashman’s strategy to pick up some low risk guys.
In the last week of July, Cash made his move. It started small, trading a nothing prospect to Philly for Sal Fasano. Ed Wade and Cashman would hook up four days later, as Philly sent Bobby Abreu and Cory Lidle to New York for C.J. Henry, Matt Smith (who hadn’t yet allowed a run out of the bullpen), and a couple others. It was a clear case of the Yankees taking on salary so they wouldn’t have to send real prospects in a trade. In one swoop Cashman had added his fourth starter and his starting right fielder.
The next day he capped the deadline activity by trading the floundering Shawn Chacon to the Pirates for Craig Wilson, who was to shore up the bench. That didn’t exactly work out, but there was no downside to the trade. A half month later, however, the Yanks made perhaps their worst move by releasing Carlos Pena. Clearly they didn’t foresee his looming breakout season, or else they would have called him up to replace Andy Phillips at first. Plus, who knows if he would have done anything in 06. He was, after all, in the minors for a reason. The Red Sox made a similar judgment.
How it all turned out
There were mixed results with the pitchers, but Cashman scored a bit win with Abreu, who tore it up with a .926 OPS. That helped shore up the outfield, though it would create a logjam later when Gary Sheffield insisted on coming back in late September. Best of all, Abreu gave them an instant replacement for Sheffield, who was going to depart after the season anyway. Aaron Guiel was also a modest success, though nothing to brag about.
Lidle didn’t hold down that fourth rotation spot like they’d hoped, but both Rasner and Jeff Karstens contributed down the stretch. Bruney was a hit in his 19 appearances, allowing just two runs. He did walk 15 in 20.2 innings, which was a sign of things to come for 2007. Still, he helped out a shaky bullpen, which was pretty much without Ron Villone come September.
It’s hard to overstate the importance of the Abreu acquisition. It powered the Yankees through August, including the glorious five-game sweep of the Red Sox which effectively buried them. The Yanks ran away with the division, winning 97 games and finishing 11 games ahead of second-place Toronto. They actually finished ahead of the Tigers, who blew the division to the Twins at the end. That led to a Yanks-Tigers matchup, and we all know what happened there.
Next up is 2007, another season in which the Yankees started off slowly and had a few needs at the deadline.
Phelps continues to roll as Tampa wins big
Posted by: | CommentsTriple-A Scranton was washed out. They’re going to play a doubleheader tomorrow, but Chad Jennings says the Indians had scouts and their national crosschecker at the game. My guess is they were there to watch Durham, since the Rays are rumored to be in on Victor Martinez. Either that or the Yanks are planning to bring back Carl Pava … no, couldn’t go there.
Double-A Trenton‘s doubleheader was rained out. They’re going to play two tomorrow to make one of these games up, and the other will be made up as part of a doubleheader next weekend.
High-A Tampa (7-0 win over Charlotte)
Dan Brewer & Jose Gil: both 2 for 4, 1 K - Brewer drew a walk, stole a base & K’ed … Gil plated a run
Matt Cusick & Seth Fortenberry: both 2 for 5, 1 R – Cusick swiped a bag … Fortenberry tripled & K’ed
David Adams: 0 for 2, 1 R, 1 RBI, 2 BB, 1 K
Damon Sublett & Luis Nunez: both 3 for 4, 1 RBI – Sublett walked, stole a base, tripled & scored a run … Nunez scored a pair of runs
Brandon Laird: 0 for 4, 1 BB, 1 K
David Phelps: 6 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 6 K, 10-2 GB/FB – another tremendous start
Noel Castillo: 1 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 2 BB, 0 K, 1 WP, 1-2 GB/FB
Pat Venditte: 1 IP, zeroes, 2 K, 0-1 GB/FB
Game 101 Spillover Thread II
Posted by: | CommentsThey’re not saying BRUUUUUUU, they’re saying BOOOOOOO!!!
Game 101: Again, just take the series
Posted by: | CommentsLast night’s game was frustrating to watch on the out of town scoreboard — constantly seeing men on base with none out. I can’t imagine what it was like to see it in person. They just have to put it behind them and concentrate on tonight, when they’ll have a chance to take the series from the Rays.
They’ll have to do it against Matt Garza, who is again having a fine season for the Rays. He’s doing it in a bit different fashion than last year, though. Both his walk and strikeout rates are up, but his strikeouts to a greater degree than walks. It’s actually helped him go a little deeper into games, as he averaged just over six innings per game last year and is up to six and a half (whatever the hell a half inning is) this year.
In terms of stuff, Garza seems in the same place he was last year. His two main pitches, fastball and slider, are right around the same speed. The difference, is that he’s throwing the fastball a bit less frequently, but not dramatically so. This has led him to throw his slider and curveball more, the curveball especially, going from 7 percent of his pitches last season to 11 this year. He’s also cooled it on the changeup, throwing it just 4.4 percent of the time this year, to 7.9 percent last year.
Garza has pitched twice against the Yanks this year. In his first appearance, on my birthday, he allowed just two runs over seven innings, striking out nine. Too bad A.J. Burnett had an even better game. The second appearance came on June 7, wherein Garza tossed 96 pitches through five innings, causing an early exit. He did allow only one run, though, but the relievers allowed three and that was enough for the Yanks. He’s coming off a nine-inning, 116-pitch, two-run, nine-strikeout performance against the Blue Jays.
The Yanks will counter with Joba Chamberlain, who has been brilliant over his last two starts, lasting 6.2 and 7 innings, and racking up a combined 14 strikeouts. The six walks are a bit concerning, but he’s also held opponents to three and two hits in that span, and allowed just one run in each game. Joba’s been unleashing the heat, and it’s paying off.
There’s no word on a roster move, probably because there will be none. CBSSports.com senior writer Danny Knobler tweets that the Yanks have interest in recently-DFA Josh Anderson. He could fill in until Gardner returns. He’s certainly not going to light the world on fire, but he’s better than Terrence Long.
Lineup:
1. Derek Jeter, SS
2. Johnny Damon, LF
3. Mark Teixeira, 1B
4. Alex Rodriguez, 3B
5. Hideki Matsui, DH
6. Jorge Posada, C
7. Robinson Cano, 2B
8. Nick Swisher, RF
9. Melky Cabrera, CF
And on the mound, number sixty-two, Joba Chamberlain.


