Phillies made an offer for Wang

Game 80 Spillover Thread II
July 4th Open Thread

Via some schmuck at MLBTR, the Phillies offered the Yanks an unknown prospect for Chien-Ming Wang, but apparently the prospect was not to their liking.  After sticking with Wang through all his early season struggles, you can bet the Yanks weren’t going to just give him up for a prospect. If they’re going to move him, they’re going to want a significant piece in return.

Game 80 Spillover Thread II
July 4th Open Thread
  • DreDog

    Somewhere David Cone is coming up with a great innuendo.

    • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

      Cone-“Speaking of making an offer for Wang, there’s this great Korean Massage parlor on 48th street, Mike . . “

  • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

    “Via some schmuck at MLBTR”

    Peter Schmuck of the Baltimore Sun?

    http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/schmuck/

  • Little Bill

    lol, interested in Wang. Funny stuff. Today’s injury probably puts an end to the trade rumors. I agree with the last comment on that page, Hughes will go back to the rotation where he belongs. If Wang goes to the DL and returns, he’ll return in the bullpen for the remainder of the year.

  • Ivan

    Man the Phils must be desperate for pitching.

  • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

    Girardi-He has a shoulder strain with some bursitis.He’ll probably need some rest”

    Translation-He misses a month.

    • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

      My guess is Serrgio Mitre pitches on Thursday.

      • whozat

        I’d hope they’d start migrating Hughes back to the rotation, if Wang is going to miss an appreciable amount of time.

        • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

          On the MLB level? Isn’t that how Joba wound up with a sore shoulder last year?

      • Ivan

        Probably right.

        It would make better sense to put Hughes in the rotation since after all he is the 6th/1st back-up starter. I mean you gotta be fair to the dude right.

        • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

          No, he’s too valuable out of the Bullpen right now. He’s our most trusted setup man right now, plus he would need to be stretched out, in which case you lose him for a month as he pitches meaningless innings in AAA building his arm back up.

          My guess is Mitre or Tomko. Not great, but we just have to live with it.

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

            It’s literally the exact same situation as Joba. If Wang is out for anything longer than like, three weeks, then you move Hughes back to the rotation. It’s that simple. He’s the best option, and it’s not even close.

            • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

              We did that last year and Joba wound up with a sore shoulder, and his velocity has been down ever since.

              • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

                And yet we have zero evidence that one thing caused the other.

                • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

                  And yet it happened nonetheless. If you were making the decision, I doubt you’d risk that twice in successive seasons with your two best arms.

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

                  They don’t have to stretch him out in the bigs. Get by on Thursday, then Hughes can make two starts in the minors during the ASB and then come up to make that start on the 21st, the next time they’ll need a fifth starter.

                • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

                  That makes more sense to me. Now lets see how long this injury is for and what the Yanks do.

                  I just don’t want to see Phil get hurt again. He’s been very injury prone before this year.

      • Matt M.

        yea, id say the short list is probably mitre, mcalister or nova.

        and they’d probably go with a solid mitre with some exp rather than rush a hot mcalister/nova

        • Pasqua

          Suzyn Waldman just said Mitre is the likely guy. According to her interviews, Hughes isn’t “stretched out” enough. That’s all fine and dandy for one start, but if this DL stint is prolonged and Hughes stays in the ‘pen, we will officially be playing in the Twilight Zone of Baseball.

          • A.D.

            Figure when they know more either Hughes is sent down to stretch out, or is stretched at the ML level.

            If Mitre is getting the call, probably buh bye to Tomko.

            • whozat

              They’ll DL Wang

              • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

                Right, but if its Tomko then you could call up a Melancon or Alby to take his place, which sounds good to me.

                • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

                  If anyone wants to know who our long man will be, its really Aceves at this point. Tomko has been a mop up guy, and not a good one. Alby could do that for us, plus get us a ground ball here and there.

              • A.D.

                Whoops, I didn’t think Marte was on the 40 man, but he is.

                I suppose they also have Nady going to the 60 day DL as an open spot on the 40 man too.

    • whozat

      Will he spend that month actually finishing his rehab in the minors this time? I am completely fine with that.

      • A.D.

        Yeah hopefully he comes back the real 100%

        • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

          That’s the thing. This year has been so fucked up for Wang, let him take a month off, start a few rehab games and come back around mid-late August. It will be like starting his season all over again.

      • Little Bill

        Me too. And it might be better for the team at this point if he gets himself fully corrected and Hughes goes back to the rotation. Better for this year because Hughes is the better pitcher right now and next year as Hughes will get some innings under his belt.

        If Wang can come back and be effective, he can go the bullpen for a while and then fill in for Joba if they don’t want him going over 150 innings. Pettitte is gone next year and Wang takes his rotation spot back. Everybody wins.

  • Landon Alger

    was the prospect… somebody like Kyle Drabek?

    • Dela G

      i played against drabek my senior year in high school.

      He was unhittable, and i wanted to throw my bat at him because his curveball was breaking too hard.

    • whozat

      Probably not, but if so…why trade pitching for more pitching, when pitching is the only thing your farm system really produces?

      • Dela G

        yeah it makes no sense to me either

      • Mr.Jigginz

        SIGN TEH PAYDRO!!!!11!!!WON!!

    • Lanny

      Keep dreamin’.

      Probably Kyle Kendrick.

  • John Duci

    Wang for Madson and a good prospect. Then Hughes can take Wangs spot and Madson could be our 8th inning man. What do you think??

    • Pasqua

      It would have been fun to discuss about three hours ago. Now, it’s a whole lotta nothin’.

    • whozat

      I wouldn’t trade a good starter (which I think Wang will still be) for a setup guy and “a prospect” without knowing what you mean by “a prospect”

    • http://forums.projectcovo.com/images/smilies/e6omir.gif OmgZombies!

      Depends on the prospect

  • A.D.

    2 sides would really never come to an agreement unless the Phillies have had some falling out with a prospect the Yankees really like, seems like a long shot.

  • http://www.retire21.org Mike R. – Retire 21

    Can we accept pending MRI results?

  • Drew

    Wanger>>>>>>One PROSPECT

  • Lanny

    What team would give a significant piece for a pitcher with an Era at 10 and a terrible history of K’s to BB’s?

    • Steve H

      Like Halladay in 2000?

  • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

    Looking at the Yankee schedule, there’s not many off days between now and mid-August besides the All Star break. You’re going to need someone to make about 6 starts between now and then, and there’s no getting around it.

    http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/schedule/index.jsp?c_id=nyy&m=8&y=2009

    Actually, there’s two off days in the last two weeks of August, so that’s really the first time you’d get to skip someone if you had to. There’s not much point bringing Wang back in mid-August in that case, you could just leave him in AAA and skip his turn on the off days, keeping everyone else on their regular rest. So if this injury takes him to mid-August, you might as well just bring him up when the rosters expand in September.

  • Adam

    LET’S JUST TAKE ALL OF OUR BEST PROSPECTS AND PUT THEM IN THE BULLPEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Lanny

    Isn’t this why you have AAA starters? To come up and make a few spot starts when needed? Let’s be serious. It won’t be hard for Mitre to do what Wang has done this year.

    • Joe R

      Yeah because Wang hasnt been better with every start or anything. He’s still terrible and is lucky his ERA is only 10.

    • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

      Or Hughes for that matter. As good as Hughes has been as a setup man, he wasn’t all that hard to replace as a starter.

      As a starter 3-2 5.45 ERA, 34.2 IP, 37 H, 15 BB, WHIP 1.52

      As a reliever 0-0 1.32 ERA, 13.2 IP, 6 H, 3 BB, WHIP 0.68

      Could Tomko or Mitre give us that as a 5th starter? Yes, plus we have a lock down bullpen.

    • http://anewfrontier.wordpress.com Pablo Zevallos

      Yeah, but having him take a 40-man spot is a bit much for my liking. I think Hughes should go into the rotation to a) pitch, as he is the best starter outside of the Top 3 and b) get his innings in.

  • Little Bill

    Hughes is a starter. With Wang gone, Hughes will be starting. Probably not for a couple weeks, but he will regain his rightful spot in the starting rotation. PHIL HUGHES IS A STARTING PITCHA!!!!!

    • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

      I agree, but we have to look at this year before we look at the next 10. Phil’s production as a starter this year is very replaceable, his production out of the bullpen isn’t, at least not by anyone we’ve seen called up from AAA as of yet.

  • bottom line

    Hughes has proven himself in the pen — not as a starter, where he was inconsistent. Aceves actually has better numbers as a starter than Hughes. And Hughes totally makes the bullpen– really dumb to move him out of a role in which he excels to risk injury and put him in a role in which he has not yet demonstrated dominance or even consistency.

  • Mattchu12

    Hughes is probably stuck in the bullpen for the remainder of the season, but I think we should all remember that his ERA is only at 5.45 as a starter because of a horrific outing against the Orioles where he allowed eight runs in less than two innings. Other than that one outing, he allowed four or less runs in all of his other starts and only reached four runs twice.

    Hughes is a starting pitcher, moving him to the bullpen was a mistake. We should have traded for a relief pitcher when we had the chance, because I’ve been saying for far too long that Brian Bruney is not the kind of pitcher we make him out to be and Marte has been far from reliable. That left us with Coke, Robertson, Melancon (WHO SHOULD BE IN THE MAJORS!), Ramirez, and Albaladejo to set-up for the late innings.

    I vote that we go after a reliable bullpen arm like Huston Street, because the Rockies are not going to be sticking around when October rolls around and they’re bound to figure that out by July 31st. But it remains unlikely that Cashman will risk hurting Hughes like Joba got hurt, so none of this really matters, I just wanted to point out that Hughes was far from inconsistent or poor as a starter.