Trade Deadline Open Thread: Friday
ByOkay folks, today’s the day, the Trade Deadline.
Well, at least in name only. The July 31st deadline is nothing more than a formality, as teams can still make waiver trades through August. Just last year, the eventual World Champion Phillies acquired a key bench piece in August when they traded for Matt Stairs. There will surely be some movement today, but don’t think that just because the Yankees don’t make a move before 4pm that they won’t at all.
There were a few moves made yesterday, as the Pirates shipped lefties John Grabow and Tom Gorzelanny to the Cubs for prospects, the Dodgers acquired a much needed late-inning reliever in George Sherrill. The Yanks were apparently interested in the Royals’ Brian Bannister, but talks didn’t progress when they asked the Royals to assume part ($650k) of the money owed to him through the left of the year. Then there’s always Jarrod Washburn.
We’ll update this post throughout the day with major news, so make sure you keep checking in. Will Roy Halladay be traded? I’m not so sure. However, chances are the Red Sox are going to make a big splash. A Victor Martinez or Adrian Gonzalez kind of splash. That should stir up those perpetually on the ledge.
First Update by Joe (11:31 a.m.): And just after this thread goes up, we get word that Jarrod Washburn is headed to Detroit. That’s one down. Will Cashman strike with Bannister or Duchscherer?
RAB has exclusive footage of the meeting where Mariners GM Jack Zduriencik informed Washburn of the trade:
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Washburn to the Tigers, it seems, interesting.
wonder if they gave up perry
I doubt it since Zumaya’s done for the year.
Luke French and another prospect
lucas french and horacio something
I read that book!
Mauricio Robles and Luke French.
french + robles
Yup.
http://twitter.com/mlbtraderum.....2953015757
Hopefully the player is someone good enough that it makes sense we didn’t do it.
seems like a decent deal for detroit. i dont think of french as more than a back end starter.
I’d trade Montero straight up for French
Sarcasm? i hope.
Yeh you are right probably throw in joba or phil too
muchh bettrrer.
Theo has worked hard to have a farm system in place that is deep with quality. Can’t see him gutting it for another 1b. How many 1b can a team have??
well youkilis can play a good 3rd and lowell is msotly toast. and laroche isnt the answer to anything. and in the al if lars anderson is ready ever and they still have gonzalez/martinez then one can dh. but they prob have to give ihm up to get either one…
talk was they were trying to spin laroche off to a 3rd team in talks for either Adrian Gonzo or V-Mart.
MLBTR is reporting that the Tigers have acquired Washburn. No names on the Tigers traded.
This should spark an uptick in interest for Brian Bannister. Another name I heard yesterday was Jeremy Guthrie.
I don’t think the O’s would trade him in the division at a decent price. Guthrie is going to end up fairly expensive, probably more expensive than Washburn. However, he is like 30 years old but still under team control.
Under team control for the next 3 years (2010,’11, & ‘12). Its worth a phone call.
Only if you have an unlimited calling plan. Why would the O’s give up someone they control for the next three years to a divison rival? How does that help them?
I don’t get the big deal about trading to a division rival. After all, you get something back from the division rival too. So if there’s some sort of “division rival” effect it cuts both ways.
I guess the risk is bigger, in that if you make a mistake it really hurts, but that’s balanced by the bigger upside of making a good deal also.
My pie-in-the-sky preference would be to pick up a reliever and shift Hughes to the rotation, but I know that’s the stuff dreams are made of.
I wouldn’t be absolutely upset with a Bannister, but I’m not entirely convinced he’d be a more effective option than Mitre, honestly.
well you will have joba at some point if they are going to cap his innings around 150-160, he will have to go back to the pen.
yup, 3 or 4 more starts if the plan is to move him to the pen for the stretch run
everytime brian bannister’s name is mentioned omar minaya dies a little inside….
ambroix burgos…
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Omar the Retard
If the Sox got Adrian Gonzalez that would be trouble:
Pedroia
Youkilis
Gonzalez
Roids
Bay
That is mean. V-Mart doesn’t scare me as much.
<—-not scared of that
With you there. OPS+ for that group this year:
Pedroia: 103
Youk: 142
Gonzalez: 156
Ortiz: 87
Bay: 121
Compared to Yanks Top-5:
Jeter: 126
Damon: 125
Teixeira: 142
A-Rod: 134
Matsui: 120
Yankees are trotting out nine regulars who are hitting better than average this year; the Sox? Three regulars who are below average, and that’s not counting Pedroia, Tek, Lowell and Drew who are sub-110.
So you’re afraid of a lineup that posts OPS+ of
103
142
156
87
121
I’m not too worried about it considering they have no back of the rotation and the rest of their lineup is a black hole
For reference, the Yankees lineup starts
Jeter – 126
Damon – 125
Tex – 142
ARod – 134
Posada – 127
Matsui – 120
this.
BUT THE RED SOX HAVE GRIT…..
Cash should kick the tires on Duchscherer and see if they will give Wuertz also
I’d prefer Duchscherer and Adam Kennedy. Plug Duke in to the rotation for Mitre, and DFA Ransom.
true Kennedy will fit well and finally we can get rid of Cody “I stole Joe Girardi’s kids and that why I get playing time” Ransom
they wont deal kennedy it was said yesterday. he has been excellent for them and they are looking to sign him to an extension.
I’ve been all over Duke and Wuertz, but I think Duke is the only one really available. Word was that the A’s wanted to be “blown away” for Wuertz, who’s still under control for another year.
Haha according to Heyman Paul Bush is a top Yankee prospect.
Do the Tigers now have the best rotation in baseball? Or is it still the Giants?
Of course they do. Verlander and Jackson beat CC and AJ and Porcello is clearly better than Joba and Washburn is better than Pettitte.
Honestly I have no idea.
with randy johnson on the shelf their depth just took a big hit
It’s tough to compete with a Verlander-Jackson-Washburn troika, and Gallaraga/Porcello are decent back-end options.
No way, Washburn will fall back to Earth with that outfield so they’re still only about two deep. I’d still take the giants as they’re deeper and I’ll take Cain and Lincecum over Verlander and Jackson.
This is hilarious, the headline about the Washburn trade on Fox Sports says “Source: Tigers agree to acquire ace Washburn”
Did somebody really just call Washburn an ace?
So, are the Yanks going to get a pitcher? All the good ones keep getting taken…
I have a feeling we aren’t getting anyone.
Mitre is a punching bag. One more injury and this team is in some trouble.
That is what is making me worried. As each pitcher gets traded, there is no news on the yankee front. As Heyman said on his twitter, “Back to the drawing board for the yanks”
who is our Luke French adn Mauricio Robles?
French is probably a better version of IPK: solid back end starter. The reason he’s better is that he hasn’t had injury issues and he’s already made it to the majors.
Can’t say I know much about Robles. Name doesn’t ring a bell.
Well, Brian Cashman is a ninja and pulls acquisitions out of his hat.
See: Rodriguez, Ivan; Swisher, Nick; Teixeira, Mark.
This comment was not supposed to go here. Oh well.
Can I has sum Justin Duscherer?
NO!!
Why dont you like him?
Thank you Judge Smails.
But seriously, Yankees need a starter and badly since Joba isn’t gonna be in the rotation the rest of the year.
Anyone want a Fresca?
sorry, being a little sarcastic although now looking at it, I didn’t show it well. I am all for Duke but I am a little nervous about how he rebounds from injury.
It’s so quiet, I’ve given up hope. I’ll bet it’s Bannister, not Duke.
For there to be NOTHING on Duchscherer for like three days makes me think maybe the scouts saw something alarming about Duke.
i know its not easy to make comparisons, but what’s the yanks equivalent of Luke French and Mauricio Robles?
ZMac and… Manny Banuelos?
i would take both of ours over them. french is more like what i read about Bleich and robles more like Matt Richardson/Brett Marshall?
But the reason that French >>> IPK, Bleich, or ZMac is that he’s already made it to the majors successfully. He’s more established than all three of our young guys, which is a big advantage.
not saying it isnt…just coming up with the comparable from my perspective. didnt say he didnt have more current value.
There isn’t really a good Luke French comp in our system. He’s a solid, young MLB #5 starter right now, but doesn’t have any upside left. We don’t have a pitcher like that, we only have younger guys further away with upside (like Z-Mac, Nova, IPK, etc.) or guys much better than him (like Joba and Hughes).
We don’t have a Luke French in our system.
Yet.
ZMac, Kennedy, and Nova could become him (though I think they each have higher ceilings) in a couple years.
Exactly. If Z-Mac, Kennedy, and Nova were all two years older right now, one of them would be here doing Sergio Mitre’s job and the other two would be dominating AAA, and we’d have more than enough ammo to go get Washburn.
They’re not, so we didn’t.
bleich has similar stuff and not a huge upside to his game.
But he’s still too far away. Bleich probably has more upside than French, but Seattle wouldn’t trade Washburn for a Bleich centered deal because he’s too far away and too much of an unknown quantity.
Luke French can be in their rotation immediately. Bleich can’t.
i’d probably have done that, but whatever, its too late now. Also there’s the thing where i’m not the yankees GM.
I think it’s more like Eric Hacker and Mike Dunn, maybe Axisa will come and correct me on that.
be pretty tough to trade eric hacker again since we sent him to pitt for hinskie. lol.
Luke French >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eric Hacker
That’s not praise of French, it’s damnation of Hacker. He’s not remotely French.
I think you give too much credit to French and I probably give too much credit to Hacker. I did forget that he’s a LHP though, we don’t have too many of those so it’s hard to get a good comp for someone in the system.
No, I’m really not high on French at all. But Eric Hacker has yet to prove that he can even provide BAD innings at the MLB level. He’s several steps down from French.
Luke French has pitched what, 30 innings in about 5 starts with a 11 BB/19 K ratio? How is that not giving him too much credit to say he’s a solid #5 starter right now? We don’t know that at all. It’s 30 innings.
Hacker: je ne suis pas français.
If you can translate the phrase “I ‘c’ what you did there” into French, and then condense it to an acronym, it would be much appreciated.
Sorry, “I ‘c’ what ‘u’ did there.”
I’m not fluent and the word ordering is very different, but it’s something like this:
JE VOIS CE QUE VOUS AVEZ FAIT LÀ
you can shorten it like this:
JCVAFA (i think)
be pretty tough to trade eric hacker again since we sent him to pitt for hinskie
No
Eric Fryer and Casey Erickson say hello.
Whom would you guys rather have, Duscherer or Bannister? It’s a tough call for me. Bannister probably is the better pick for performance this year while Duscherer has more upside. I think the tiebreaker has to go to Bannister since it would mean that JoePoz’s Bannylogs would involve the Yanks.
Bannister has more upside because he is 28, team controlled for 2 or 3 more years, so he will cost more. banny is also somewhat of an innings eater.
Fuck the Tigers
Agreed. If this opens the gate for Ducherer it will be a blessing in disguise. I would give up some good prospects for Deuch.
The guy has missed 2 of the last 3 seasons…
We know that.
This name is definitely available as it’d constitute a salary dump for the Royals. Gil Meche.
He’s due to come off the DL after back spasms flared and he’s thrown a healthy simulated game. Perhaps we can get the Royals to ante up $10 MM remaining on his contract?..
if it was just about money w the 650K on bannister we certainly arent adding meche’s salary.
I wonder about the veracity of that report. Refusing to take on $650K just doesn’t sound realistic. I understand the need to not take on a bad contract at the deadline in its entirety, but $650K… yeesh.
why because you assume the yankees have unlimited funds at all times?
An assumption that the Yanks would not complete a trade over $650 is one i’ll make every day of the week. If its a matter of Cash and his people not liking Bannister’s chances of success then that’s a different matter altogether and more realistic.
Obviously the Yankees don’t have unlimited funds, but, $650k is about 0.3% of the payroll. It’s one thing to say the Yankees couldn’t afford to add a guy like Halladay, but adding Bannister isn’t even noticeable on the payroll.
Completely agreed.
if they wouldnt take the 650,000 on bannisters contract what makes you even remote think for a second they’d take on any money for meche? who has also said he wants to remain in KC and win there cause he likes it.
I think teams are trying to fleece the Yanks in any deal. Not sure why. But to ask for one of Joba/Hughes/Montero/AJax for Washburn, and then settle on Luke French (career minor league ERA of 3.88) and Robles (who is only at A) is questionable.
Olney said the M’s did not request Joba or Hughes.
if heyman said we were asked about something just ignore it.
From MLBTR:
Why is Bard such a big deal? I understand that he’s good, but he’s still just a reliever. There were earlier reports that the Sox were willing to trade Buchholz, but not Bard which just seems silly to me.
Dunno. I do think they believe Bard to be their future closer and intend to trade Papelbon though.
Sounds perfectly fine to me, Bard reminds me a lot of Krazy Kyle
I’ve heard that too (usually involving letting Papelbon go in free agency), but the end result is still that he’s a reliever.
No way they get Bell for just Bard. Wasnt the line ‘we will accept ridiculously over priced offers on Bell’
Gammons continues to tout Bard as the “best young reliever in the game today.” Apparently Gammons has hacked his way into the Padres’s intranet and is on loop repeating this statement.
I remember when he said the same thing about Craig Hansen.
Manny del Carmen could be the closer for several teams.
Gammons also said that “All the world series title from 1989 to 2006 are tainted”. Why 2006?? Was that the magical eradication of steroids year or are you so biased and blind you refuse to admit that both your titles are tainted under your standard?
I have never been this upset at a sport “reporter” before. Hack!
The deal doesnt even make sense. Why would you trade bard to get bell? Bard is just as good and cheaper.
believe Boston could get Heath Bell too if they’re willing to include pitcher Daniel Bard.
Wait, so the Padres were asking for Maybin, Miller, or West from Florida, but they’re going to settle for Bard from Boston?
No freaking way. I call bullshit, Feinsand and Madden.
If the Sox love Bard so much why would they trade him for Heath Bell? They would do the same thing.
I mean, I’d rather have Bell than Bard, but Theo seems so high on the Rich Man’s Krazy Kyle, it seems weird.
Bard as of right now is pitching better than Papelbon. He can dial it up to 100 with a great offspeed pitch. Paps has control issues. Boston needs to keep Bard to shure up the pen.
I think Bannister is a pretty good fifth starter, and easily better than Mitre.
i like duke… but i wonder what the other duke(zack) would cost… he’s good.
Zach Duke = not good, probably a 5th starter in AL East, but they’ll sell him like he’s a #2 or #3.
i love how everyone bashes zach duke, but would trade for mark buehrle in a heartbeat. no i am not saying he is buehrle but he is putting up the same numbers with similar k rates.
Mark Buerhle career ERA+, 123
Zach Duke career ERA+, 102
Mark Buerhle has had 8 straight 200+ inning season
Zach Duke has 1 in 06.
you can look at WHIP, H/9, BB/9, K/9, Buerhle has Duke beat in just about everything, Zach Duke is not Mark Buehrle.
i am not saying he is buehrle but he is putting up the same numbers with similar k rates.
No, he doesn’t.
Duke’s career ERA+ is 102, in the NL. Buerhle is 123 in the AL.
I like Duke, he’s a decent young lefty, but he’s not remotely Mark Buerhle. Not even close.
i never said for his career now did i?
Looking at one half season is not objective…you can take that half season Sergio Mitre had and he would be better than Mark Buerhle too, except that’s half a season, it doesn’t mean much.
Whether considering past, present, future, upside, whatever… Buerhle >>>>>>>>>> Duke.
I think we saw French earlier in the year, nothing special, high 80’s, low 90’s, don’t think he had any standout pitch, just a back end rotation guy. He pitched well against us though.
Robles is 5′10, 160, KG at BP says he throws 90-94 with good command(though the walk numbers seem high…). Probably a live arm but he’s so small and he’s 20 in high A, not really very projectable, seems like a late inning Juan Cruz kind of guy.
Doesn’t seem that impressive, that’s like Eric Hacker + Mike Dunn. And here we hear all that stuff from Heyman about them wanting Hughes, Montero, AJax, and Joba.
5′10, 160 lbs sounds like Edwar Ramirez
Tigers get Washburn. GRRRRRRRRRRRRR
It could be worse. The Yankees could have gotten him.
ietc
Cashman put Duchscherer in pinstripes already!
my money is still on cashman makin some kind of move before 4
Heyman’s credibility is out the window with this trade. The names on the Yankees that he brought up were clearly never discussed, as this trade shows that Jack Z is actually a reasonable GM trying to trade 2 months of a guy pitching over his head. He never asked for Montero, at least not seriously.
who knows, maybe he did. maybe the whole league has conspired not to trade with the yankees this year and to make ridiculous offers.
Or….he gets more hits from Yankee fans when bringing up Montero than say, Bleich and Betances.
exactly…heyman is just making crap up at this point. yesterday was phil and joba and reporters shot that down so then today he just comes up with Montero
he also listed paul bush as one of our prospects
GET THE DUKE…we need another starter, its no secret, and he won’t cost more than one middling prospect, nothing special…GET SOMETHING DONE CASH
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Boston landing VMart or Gonzalez essentially levels the two teams. If the Yankees had even a mediocre Wang I’d say the Yanks had the advantage, but another big bat in Boston makes it a draw in my book. (Of course, nobody reads my book except me.)
Matsuzaka is supposed to come back soon, I think if they trade for someone it is definitely advantage Sox.
Good point. Of course, we have no idea if he’ll be any good, and Wakefield’s deal with the devil must be almost up, so I’m still not ready to give the Red Sox the advantage, But you might be right.
Boston landing VMart or Gonzalez essentially levels the two teams.
No, it doesn’t. We still bat three guys in the bottom of our lineup that are above average to well above average hitters. They don’t. They need two bats, not just one.
if they add gonzalez it probably does even them, but v-mart doesnt
Let’s see – erring on the side of favoring Boston, for the sake of argument:
Tex/Youk: Tex better, but both very good. Even
Adv Yankees
Cano/Rat Boy: Again, Cano more power, Rat better OBP. Even
Jeter/Green: Grit edge to Nick, perhaps
ARod/Lowell: Facial hair to Boston, o/w Adv Yankees
Posada/Captain: as above… Adv Yankees
Damon/Bay: Bay started incredibly, now basically Even.
Gardbrera/Ellsbury: Again, overall, basically Even.
Swisher/Drew: Swish is streaky, overall Drew a bit better. Ad Red Sox
Matsui/Ortiz: Tough one…I’ll say even.
Pitching: I think you have to give the advantage to Boston here, but it’s pretty small.
I guess you’re right, Mr. a/k/a. Adding Gonzo or VMart would close the gap, but even erring on the side of Boston, the Yankees have a much better offense.
I don’t think the difference in pitching is huge, and the Yankees pitching might even be better, if Matsuzaka continues to not-contribute, and Wakefield starts remembering he’s 53 years old.
But hey, with Gonzo or VMart, I think we can agree it’s reeeeeeally close between the two teams.
Agreed, except for one thing:
Matsui/Ortiz:
Tough one…I’ll say evenMatsui in a landslide.Fixed.
I’d add the advantage for Boston with Drew in right isn’t as advantageous as one would believe. Drew’s banged up (again) and he’s not hit all that well this year.
That too.
Uh uh. Matsui is streaky. After the horrendous start, Ortiz is performing on par or better than Hideki-san. Public relations? Yes, landslide. And this fluff up may fry Ortiz for the rest of the year.
Love the video.
http://www.daytondailynews.com.....29926.html
That’s the best thing they can do in my opinion. Just come out and tell the truth.
I agree, I think some people think they are trying to save their skins from if/when the whole thing gets released, but I think it shows some courage to admit it, I’m sure nobody will talk about Arroyo in a few days, but people will still be talking about Ortiz, it’s just the nature of the beast. (Also Arroyo wasn’t the player Ortiz was, so that’s important too)
this was my fav part. it sounds like college:
“Now they don’t want us to take anything unless it’s approved. But back then, who knows what was in stuff? “
http://www.bostonherald.com/sp.....id=1188184
ERA+ from 2006 to now.
142, 110, 95, and 86.
Are you sure about that
BrandonBronson?I don’t think I’ve heard anything about him in months, and I’m not saying he’s a solution or anything, just curious, what ever happened to Ben Sheets coming back mid year?
i was wondering about that too. havent heard his name at all in awhile.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....-year.html
Thanks, must have missed that.
i think it would be a mistake for cash to stand pat. he should make at least one move today. however, if the asking prices are as rediculous as we’ve been hearing, cash is right to say no. jesus montero for washburn would have been a tragedy.
nothing. is. going. on. what. el. eff?
I feel like an addict, I keep hitting the refresh button on MLBTR hoping for some big trade to go down.
You and me both. Just put on MLB Network if your near a tv.
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Right there with you guys. I’m sitting here MLBTR on, RAB, ESPN, SI, and MLB Network on the TV.
So THIS is what it feels like to do crack..*refresh*…*refresh*..refresh*…
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Second time you’ve posted a link without a real comment. Why. It pretty much violates our guidelines.
Mariners rejecting offers on Felix Hernandez?? If Jack Zduriencik is willing to listen … do we make an offer?
source:
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....andez.html
It would have to be a megapackage. They have no reason to move him. Joba, Hughes, Montero, Cano.
…and no team would probably be willing to give that much up. Wait till he has less years of team control, less to give up.
I cant see a trade for Felix that doesnt include Joba or Hughes.
Probably Joba AND Hughes. And other stuff too.
Could anyone envision Cashman making an offer of Chamberlain, Jackson, Montero, and Nova?
We probably made an offer. And it was most assuredly rejected.
I can’t imagine there’s a player in the majors with more trade value. Lincecum is probably equal, that’s it.
How old is Matt Cain?
Pujols?
Just saying.
Exactly. The reason ARod made more money than everybody else in history when he hit the market wasn’t because he was the best hitter ever. It was because he was so insanely young. Felix Hernandez is still 23.
TWENTY-THREE. Great googily moogily.
Sounds like you’d be willing to offer: Joba, Jackson, Jesus, Montero, Nova, and Bleich…
Jesus AND Montero? Madness.
do Jesus and Jesus Montero hang out down in the farm? lol
Nope. I’d be willing to be patient and wait for free agency.
Although he WAS actually the best hitter ever.
I would trade Montero and others for Pujols in this hypothetical situation we’ve created. He’s PUJOLS!
Longoria, perhaps j upton. Really short list anyway.
no way we get him in a trade we’d have to give up way to much and he’s a free agent in a couple years
sure…u want to give up joba, hughes, montero, a-jax, z-mac and romine. those are the kinds of packages it should take to deal him. wait two years and make a run as a FA. by then Jorge’s deal is over, jeter should be on a lower salary (hopefully) and i dont expect any big moves this offseason.
LOL, some teams actually had the balls to try to trade for Felix Hernandez. Unless one of those teams was SF and they were offering up The Freak, that’s hilarious.
Just kicking the tires. Every GM does it. I’m sure Jeter was asked about all the time back in the mid-to-late 90’s.
doubtful, cause the yankees were winning. but i bet people ask abot hanram quite often in years past
I guarantee you the Cardinals get asked about Pujols all the time, just like Jeter or A-Rod were in their youth. It’s a way of seeing what value your current players/prospects have in the eyes of other GM’s.
Brings up an interesting question.
The Freak or King Felix…WHO YA GOT!?!?
Felix by a smidge – doing it in the AL.
Lincecum is amazing though.
Cosign.
DAN HAREN!!!
This is a joke, right?
Yes.
The Tigers can start printing playoff tickets. Verlander-Jackson-Washburn is a top notch top 3. Maybe the best in the AL at this point. And before the homers go crazy you’re nuts if you think Joba will be starting come Sept with the inn limit.
I don’t know. Onviously they have a paln in place; my guess is they skip a few starts with Joba so that he’s still starting come playoff time.
*Obviously* *plan*
a lanny sighting
definitive statement you can’t possibly prove and could go wrong and make you look bad:
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insulting everyone by calling them homers:
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and nuts:
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hey everyone lanny made it!
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Why we as Yankee fans shouldn’t worry:
vs. the Yankees this year, Verlander/Jackson/Washburn are 1-3 with a 2.18 ERA but 11 walks and five homers allowed.
Not worried.
The Tigers can start printing playoff tickets.
To be frank, they were probably printing playoff tickets already. The Tigers were going to win the Central regardless. This move is about advancing in the playoffs, not making it there.
I’ll agree with you though, that Verlander-Jackson-Washburn is a great 1-2-3, probably the best in the AL, yes. But the Tigers still have to hit, which is why they’re still looking for a bat.
http://twitter.com/mlbtraderum.....2953748002
This makes them better, but I still give us a slight advantage. I’d say the pecking order before was
1-NYY 2-BOS 3-TBR 4-DET 5-LAA
and now it’s
1-NYY 2-DET 3-BOS 4-TBR 5-LAA
I agree with your pecking order. *Golf clap*
Doesn’t the Tigers ‘pen kinda suck too?
It does, but, with Washburn as their third starter, their holes are still probably smaller than Boston/Tampa/Anaheim’s holes are.
All five of the elite AL teams are good, but all of us have holes.
We have the least.
“but all of us have holes.”
*Cue innappropriate joke relating to the female anatomy*
http://www.fannation.com/si_bl.....hburn-gone
Apparently washburn wanted to come to the yanks. oh well, he doesn’t seem like a true yankee
I motion that the Yankee fanbase stop with this “True Yankee” bullshit.
All that agree, say “aye”
it was a friggin joke. obviously its bullshit, so aye
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is that because hes not part of the 4 Rings Crew?
crap was supposed to be a reply
tigers going after luke scott as well. o’s apparently asking a lot since he is under control until 2012.
Reggie’s going to be crushed.
NO WASHBURN!!!! WOOOOOOOOO!!!
Tigers really want to make my shit list ….
Every time I hear the name “Luke Scott” i think of the Matt Damon character from Team America World Police.
LUKE SCOTT!!!
Apparently I’m thinking injuries today, anyway: I know that Brandon Webb wouldn’t help this year, but assuming Cashmoney thinks he could come back strong would the Yanks make an offer? I’m guessing it would be like Wang where people would want to buy low, but the Yankees wouldn’t want to sell low, just wondering what you guys thought.
A lot of risk and they’d still have to give up top-notch prospects to get Webb. Two sinkerballers with huge injury concerns and a serious loss to the farm?
If it works, you look like a genius. But again, seems like too much risk.
boy, still nothing going on with the yanks… i say cash makes a move at 3:30 for duke/bannister/reliever we never expected (the / meaning “or”, of course)
Anyone watching the bottom line on ESPN.
It says.
Wasburn to DET.
Wasburn ESPN?
I’m all for the Yanks signing King Felix in 2011
I am, too, but apparently he said he didn’t want to play in NY. I can’t find it but I remember reading it.
CC didn’t appear to want to play in NY either…
When did he say that?
Link please?
That was just a myth the fans made up becuase he didn’t say it was absolute favorite place he’d always dreamed of playing in.
He didn’t actually say it, my point is that money talks and if the yanks throw 180 million at Felix, he’ll probably want to play in NY after all
Oh well in that case I agree with you.
that was way back when he was an IFA.
That’s called “getting-prepped-by-your-agent.” Its never too early to start putting East Coast teams on notice.
He’s just playing hard to get.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZFxpiSNHJA (safe)
Am I the only one who realizes that VMart, especially as a replacement for Lowell (essentially) is not some kind of game changing monumental upgrade? I would LOVE for Cleveland to drain that farm system for him. His numbers translate to solid, but not elite, at 1B.
You mean Boston trade that farm system for him?
Anyway, I agree.
Agreed. Victor Martinez is a good bat, but he’s not a Ortiz/Manny in their juicing primes bat that really scares you.
The Sox need to add TWO pieces to really be a threat. Not one, two.
Totally agree. I’m a bit more worried if they add A-Gonz, but Martinez still doesn’t make the Sox even a good-hitting team.
I saw on MLBTR that the Royals and Yanks haggled over $650 k on Bannister. To me it’s a marginal cost assuming the prospects were mid-level. Anyway, it seems that Mark Teahan is also on the block. Teahan strikes out a lot and his OBP isn’t great (I think it’s like .344) but he can play the outfield and the infield and his bat is much better than Ransom’s.
Anyone think a package for Bannister and Teahan makes any sense?
I think the Yanks backed out of it because of who KC wanted for Bannister more so than because of the money.
Gotcha. Any guesses as to who that might be? Jackson? Z-Mac?
He can’t play shortstop or second base and probably is a platoon player. Might as well keep Hinske and Ransom than pay the price for Bannister and Teahan.
Makes sense. Thanks.
heyman says yanks pessimistic about a move. that probably means they’ll make a move
If I was his boss, I would fire his ass.
Yet everyone keeps reading and linking to him, so his boss must be happy.
At least the Justin Duchscherer dream is alive.
+1.
I didn’t want Washburn but I think he’ll do well in Detroit (much better than he’d do in NY).
Detroit is a hitter’s ballpark too I believe.
I think Comerica plays favorable more because of the gaps rather than the fences. Basically, I wouldn’t expect his HR rate to rise which is what I ‘d be worried about if he were on the Yankees.
Fair enough.
I’m curious to see how his H/9 changes now that his outfield defense will be Carlos Guillen-Curtis Granderson-Clete Thomas instead of Wladimir Balentien-Franklin Gutierrez-Ichiro.
That’s a step down across the board. And it only gets worse when Magglio plays RF.
Yeah, his OF defense in SEA was incredible.
Question: Carlos Guillen will be (better/worse) than Bobby Abreu in the OF?
This year, with suprisingly-less-crappy Bob Abreu OF defense? Probably Comedulce, by a nose.
We’re splitting hairs here, though. Bad hairs.
You missed a fun Kevin Smith-related comment vortex during the game last night.
Yup. Comerica ranks middle of the pack overall but 23rd for home runs this year. (For comparison’s sake, Safeco is tied for 20th and YS3 is numero uno.)
AGonz deal very unlikely according to Jonathan Mayo
Washburn even wanted to go to the yankees… wtf.
Ummm… maybe we should stop taking everything we read on mlbtr as the gospel. 650k isn’t why the Yankees aren’t getting Bannister.
Absolutely, +1.
If Buster and Stark say it, it must be true.
Take every source on trade rumors with a grain of salt. Suddenly everyone is the accountant for the New York Yankees and knows the actual truths about their financial decisions.
I really wonder if Cashman is playing poker with Toronto, trying to get Halliday. A package starting with Montero would not be bad at all. If Boston makes a Martinez or Gonzalez trade, they will be out of trading chips, and the Yankees might be able to steal Halliday away. A long-shot? Of course, but so was sihning all THREE of Tex, CC & AJ last year.
Na.
Not only does Cash not want to deal the goods, yanks might not have the money.
I honestly don’t think the Yankees have the money to do that.
As much as Halliday would be the biggest “get” of the trading deadline, I simply do not want to see Montero traded for a 32 year old who’s 1.5 years away from free agency.
Montero+ for Felix? Sure. But not for Halliday and since JP Ricc is essentially asking for a haul along the lines of what would take to get Felix Hernandez (imo) , then the only answer Ricc should get is NO.
Still not interested.
RT @BloggingBombers: Chad Jennings reports Shelley Duncan on his way to Chicago to join the Yankees for tonight’s game.
FOREARM SMASH!
I still suspect Shelley Duncan had a large part in Phil Hughes’ broken rib.
I’m ready for a Shelley Smash. I wonder who he would even pinch hit for? I guess just Molina or Cody if they are in the game.
Who neeeds a deadline acquisition when you can call up Shelley Duncan?
He’s gonna be our playoff Game 4 starting pitcher. You heard it here first.
Game 7 starter.
You got me this time Optimist
Does this finally mean that the Cody Ransom era is over?! Praise Mo!
Yeah, Shelley is a UTI now…
In all sincerity, this probably means Albie/Melancon go back down.
Shelley Duncan on his way to Chicago. Per PeteAbe