Trade Deadline Open Thread: Friday

A look at trade deadlines past: 2007
The Return of Shelley Duncan

Okay folks, today’s the day, the Trade Deadline.

Well, at least in name only. The July 31st deadline is nothing more than a formality, as teams can still make waiver trades through August. Just last year, the eventual World Champion Phillies acquired a key bench piece in August when they traded for Matt Stairs. There will surely be some movement today, but don’t think that just because the Yankees don’t make a move before 4pm that they won’t at all.

There were a few moves made yesterday, as the Pirates shipped lefties John Grabow and Tom Gorzelanny to the Cubs for prospects, the Dodgers acquired a much needed late-inning reliever in George Sherrill. The Yanks were apparently interested in the Royals’ Brian Bannister, but talks didn’t progress when they asked the Royals to assume part ($650k) of the money owed to him through the left of the year. Then there’s always Jarrod Washburn.

We’ll update this post throughout the day with major news, so make sure you keep checking in. Will Roy Halladay be traded? I’m not so sure. However, chances are the Red Sox are going to make a big splash. A Victor Martinez or Adrian Gonzalez kind of splash. That should stir up those perpetually on the ledge.

First Update by Joe (11:31 a.m.): And just after this thread goes up, we get word that Jarrod Washburn is headed to Detroit. That’s one down. Will Cashman strike with Bannister or Duchscherer?

RAB has exclusive footage of the meeting where Mariners GM Jack Zduriencik informed Washburn of the trade:

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A look at trade deadlines past: 2007
The Return of Shelley Duncan
  • zs190

    Washburn to the Tigers, it seems, interesting.

    • Mike bk

      wonder if they gave up perry

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

        I doubt it since Zumaya’s done for the year.

      • Doug

        Luke French and another prospect

      • handtius

        lucas french and horacio something

    • DP

      Hopefully the player is someone good enough that it makes sense we didn’t do it.

    • Mike bk

      seems like a decent deal for detroit. i dont think of french as more than a back end starter.

      • Chris V.

        I’d trade Montero straight up for French

        • handtius

          Sarcasm? i hope.

          • Chris V.

            Yeh you are right probably throw in joba or phil too

            • handtius

              muchh bettrrer.

  • Bo

    Theo has worked hard to have a farm system in place that is deep with quality. Can’t see him gutting it for another 1b. How many 1b can a team have??

    • jsbrendog

      well youkilis can play a good 3rd and lowell is msotly toast. and laroche isnt the answer to anything. and in the al if lars anderson is ready ever and they still have gonzalez/martinez then one can dh. but they prob have to give ihm up to get either one…

      • Mike bk

        talk was they were trying to spin laroche off to a 3rd team in talks for either Adrian Gonzo or V-Mart.

  • Reggie C.

    MLBTR is reporting that the Tigers have acquired Washburn. No names on the Tigers traded.

    This should spark an uptick in interest for Brian Bannister. Another name I heard yesterday was Jeremy Guthrie.

    • 27 this year

      I don’t think the O’s would trade him in the division at a decent price. Guthrie is going to end up fairly expensive, probably more expensive than Washburn. However, he is like 30 years old but still under team control.

      • Reggie C.

        Under team control for the next 3 years (2010,’11, & ’12). Its worth a phone call.

        • The Scout

          Only if you have an unlimited calling plan. Why would the O’s give up someone they control for the next three years to a divison rival? How does that help them?

          • toad

            I don’t get the big deal about trading to a division rival. After all, you get something back from the division rival too. So if there’s some sort of “division rival” effect it cuts both ways.

            I guess the risk is bigger, in that if you make a mistake it really hurts, but that’s balanced by the bigger upside of making a good deal also.

  • The Fallen Phoenix

    My pie-in-the-sky preference would be to pick up a reliever and shift Hughes to the rotation, but I know that’s the stuff dreams are made of.

    I wouldn’t be absolutely upset with a Bannister, but I’m not entirely convinced he’d be a more effective option than Mitre, honestly.

    • Mike bk

      well you will have joba at some point if they are going to cap his innings around 150-160, he will have to go back to the pen.

      • Doug

        yup, 3 or 4 more starts if the plan is to move him to the pen for the stretch run

    • jsbrendog

      everytime brian bannister’s name is mentioned omar minaya dies a little inside….

      ambroix burgos…

    • gio

      +1

      • D

        +1

        Omar the Retard

  • Russell NY

    If the Sox got Adrian Gonzalez that would be trouble:

    Pedroia
    Youkilis
    Gonzalez
    Roids
    Bay

    That is mean. V-Mart doesn’t scare me as much.

    • jsbrendog

      <—-not scared of that

      • Rick in Boston

        With you there. OPS+ for that group this year:

        Pedroia: 103
        Youk: 142
        Gonzalez: 156
        Ortiz: 87
        Bay: 121

        Compared to Yanks Top-5:

        Jeter: 126
        Damon: 125
        Teixeira: 142
        A-Rod: 134
        Matsui: 120

        Yankees are trotting out nine regulars who are hitting better than average this year; the Sox? Three regulars who are below average, and that’s not counting Pedroia, Tek, Lowell and Drew who are sub-110.

    • Chip

      So you’re afraid of a lineup that posts OPS+ of

      103
      142
      156
      87
      121

      I’m not too worried about it considering they have no back of the rotation and the rest of their lineup is a black hole

      For reference, the Yankees lineup starts

      Jeter – 126
      Damon – 125
      Tex – 142
      ARod – 134
      Posada – 127
      Matsui – 120

      • jsbrendog

        this.

        • A-Rod is Still My Ninja

          BUT THE RED SOX HAVE GRIT…..

  • D

    Cash should kick the tires on Duchscherer and see if they will give Wuertz also

    • gio

      I’d prefer Duchscherer and Adam Kennedy. Plug Duke in to the rotation for Mitre, and DFA Ransom.

      • D

        true Kennedy will fit well and finally we can get rid of Cody “I stole Joe Girardi’s kids and that why I get playing time” Ransom

        • Mike bk

          they wont deal kennedy it was said yesterday. he has been excellent for them and they are looking to sign him to an extension.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      I’ve been all over Duke and Wuertz, but I think Duke is the only one really available. Word was that the A’s wanted to be “blown away” for Wuertz, who’s still under control for another year.

  • Chris V.

    Haha according to Heyman Paul Bush is a top Yankee prospect.

  • YankeeScribe

    Do the Tigers now have the best rotation in baseball? Or is it still the Giants?

    • 27 this year

      Of course they do. Verlander and Jackson beat CC and AJ and Porcello is clearly better than Joba and Washburn is better than Pettitte.

      Honestly I have no idea.

    • jsbrendog

      with randy johnson on the shelf their depth just took a big hit

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      It’s tough to compete with a Verlander-Jackson-Washburn troika, and Gallaraga/Porcello are decent back-end options.

    • Chip

      No way, Washburn will fall back to Earth with that outfield so they’re still only about two deep. I’d still take the giants as they’re deeper and I’ll take Cain and Lincecum over Verlander and Jackson.

  • Chip

    This is hilarious, the headline about the Washburn trade on Fox Sports says “Source: Tigers agree to acquire ace Washburn”

    Did somebody really just call Washburn an ace?

  • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime

    So, are the Yanks going to get a pitcher? All the good ones keep getting taken…

    • 27 this year

      I have a feeling we aren’t getting anyone.

      • suppository

        Mitre is a punching bag. One more injury and this team is in some trouble.

    • Manimal

      That is what is making me worried. As each pitcher gets traded, there is no news on the yankee front. As Heyman said on his twitter, “Back to the drawing board for the yanks”

  • 27 this year

    who is our Luke French adn Mauricio Robles?

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      French is probably a better version of IPK: solid back end starter. The reason he’s better is that he hasn’t had injury issues and he’s already made it to the majors.

      Can’t say I know much about Robles. Name doesn’t ring a bell.

    • The Fallen Phoenix

      Well, Brian Cashman is a ninja and pulls acquisitions out of his hat.

      See: Rodriguez, Ivan; Swisher, Nick; Teixeira, Mark.

      • The Fallen Phoenix

        This comment was not supposed to go here. Oh well.

  • Thomas A. Anderson

    Can I has sum Justin Duscherer?

    • 27 this year

      NO!!

      • http://leegrantphotography.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/madmax.jpg gxpanos

        Why dont you like him?

      • Thomas A. Anderson

        Thank you Judge Smails.

        But seriously, Yankees need a starter and badly since Joba isn’t gonna be in the rotation the rest of the year.

        • Andy In Sunny Daytona

          Anyone want a Fresca?

      • 27 this year

        sorry, being a little sarcastic although now looking at it, I didn’t show it well. I am all for Duke but I am a little nervous about how he rebounds from injury.

    • http://leegrantphotography.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/madmax.jpg gxpanos

      It’s so quiet, I’ve given up hope. I’ll bet it’s Bannister, not Duke.

      For there to be NOTHING on Duchscherer for like three days makes me think maybe the scouts saw something alarming about Duke.

  • Charlie

    i know its not easy to make comparisons, but what’s the yanks equivalent of Luke French and Mauricio Robles?

    • V

      ZMac and… Manny Banuelos?

      • Mike bk

        i would take both of ours over them. french is more like what i read about Bleich and robles more like Matt Richardson/Brett Marshall?

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          But the reason that French >>> IPK, Bleich, or ZMac is that he’s already made it to the majors successfully. He’s more established than all three of our young guys, which is a big advantage.

          • Mike bk

            not saying it isnt…just coming up with the comparable from my perspective. didnt say he didnt have more current value.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              There isn’t really a good Luke French comp in our system. He’s a solid, young MLB #5 starter right now, but doesn’t have any upside left. We don’t have a pitcher like that, we only have younger guys further away with upside (like Z-Mac, Nova, IPK, etc.) or guys much better than him (like Joba and Hughes).

              We don’t have a Luke French in our system.

              • V

                Yet.

                ZMac, Kennedy, and Nova could become him (though I think they each have higher ceilings) in a couple years.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  Exactly. If Z-Mac, Kennedy, and Nova were all two years older right now, one of them would be here doing Sergio Mitre’s job and the other two would be dominating AAA, and we’d have more than enough ammo to go get Washburn.

                  They’re not, so we didn’t.

              • Mike bk

                bleich has similar stuff and not a huge upside to his game.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  But he’s still too far away. Bleich probably has more upside than French, but Seattle wouldn’t trade Washburn for a Bleich centered deal because he’s too far away and too much of an unknown quantity.

                  Luke French can be in their rotation immediately. Bleich can’t.

      • Charlie

        i’d probably have done that, but whatever, its too late now. Also there’s the thing where i’m not the yankees GM.

    • zs190

      I think it’s more like Eric Hacker and Mike Dunn, maybe Axisa will come and correct me on that.

      • Mike bk

        be pretty tough to trade eric hacker again since we sent him to pitt for hinskie. lol.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Luke French >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eric Hacker

          That’s not praise of French, it’s damnation of Hacker. He’s not remotely French.

          • zs190

            I think you give too much credit to French and I probably give too much credit to Hacker. I did forget that he’s a LHP though, we don’t have too many of those so it’s hard to get a good comp for someone in the system.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              No, I’m really not high on French at all. But Eric Hacker has yet to prove that he can even provide BAD innings at the MLB level. He’s several steps down from French.

              • zs190

                Luke French has pitched what, 30 innings in about 5 starts with a 11 BB/19 K ratio? How is that not giving him too much credit to say he’s a solid #5 starter right now? We don’t know that at all. It’s 30 innings.

          • handtius

            Hacker: je ne suis pas français.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              If you can translate the phrase “I ‘c’ what you did there” into French, and then condense it to an acronym, it would be much appreciated.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                Sorry, “I ‘c’ what ‘u’ did there.”

                • handtius

                  I’m not fluent and the word ordering is very different, but it’s something like this:

                  JE VOIS CE QUE VOUS AVEZ FAIT LÀ

                  you can shorten it like this:

                  JCVAFA (i think)

        • Mike Pop

          be pretty tough to trade eric hacker again since we sent him to pitt for hinskie

          No

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Eric Fryer and Casey Erickson say hello.

  • Jesse G.

    Whom would you guys rather have, Duscherer or Bannister? It’s a tough call for me. Bannister probably is the better pick for performance this year while Duscherer has more upside. I think the tiebreaker has to go to Bannister since it would mean that JoePoz’s Bannylogs would involve the Yanks.

    • Mike bk

      Bannister has more upside because he is 28, team controlled for 2 or 3 more years, so he will cost more. banny is also somewhat of an innings eater.

  • A-Rod is Still My Ninja

    Fuck the Tigers

    • Russell NY

      Agreed. If this opens the gate for Ducherer it will be a blessing in disguise. I would give up some good prospects for Deuch.

      • Tony

        The guy has missed 2 of the last 3 seasons…

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          We know that.

  • Reggie C.

    This name is definitely available as it’d constitute a salary dump for the Royals. Gil Meche.

    He’s due to come off the DL after back spasms flared and he’s thrown a healthy simulated game. Perhaps we can get the Royals to ante up $10 MM remaining on his contract?..

    • Mike bk

      if it was just about money w the 650K on bannister we certainly arent adding meche’s salary.

      • Reggie C.

        I wonder about the veracity of that report. Refusing to take on $650K just doesn’t sound realistic. I understand the need to not take on a bad contract at the deadline in its entirety, but $650K… yeesh.

        • Mike bk

          why because you assume the yankees have unlimited funds at all times?

          • Reggie C.

            An assumption that the Yanks would not complete a trade over $650 is one i’ll make every day of the week. If its a matter of Cash and his people not liking Bannister’s chances of success then that’s a different matter altogether and more realistic.

          • Ed

            Obviously the Yankees don’t have unlimited funds, but, $650k is about 0.3% of the payroll. It’s one thing to say the Yankees couldn’t afford to add a guy like Halladay, but adding Bannister isn’t even noticeable on the payroll.

            • J.R.

              Completely agreed.

    • jsbrendog

      if they wouldnt take the 650,000 on bannisters contract what makes you even remote think for a second they’d take on any money for meche? who has also said he wants to remain in KC and win there cause he likes it.

  • gio

    I think teams are trying to fleece the Yanks in any deal. Not sure why. But to ask for one of Joba/Hughes/Montero/AJax for Washburn, and then settle on Luke French (career minor league ERA of 3.88) and Robles (who is only at A) is questionable.

    • Chris

      Olney said the M’s did not request Joba or Hughes.

    • Mike bk

      if heyman said we were asked about something just ignore it.

  • Chris

    From MLBTR:

    6:45am: Mark Feinsand and Bill Madden of the New York Daily News say the Red Sox are in “full pursuit” of Gonzalez, and believe Boston could get Heath Bell too if they’re willing to include pitcher Daniel Bard.

    Why is Bard such a big deal? I understand that he’s good, but he’s still just a reliever. There were earlier reports that the Sox were willing to trade Buchholz, but not Bard which just seems silly to me.

    • V

      Dunno. I do think they believe Bard to be their future closer and intend to trade Papelbon though.

      • Chip

        Sounds perfectly fine to me, Bard reminds me a lot of Krazy Kyle

      • Chris

        I’ve heard that too (usually involving letting Papelbon go in free agency), but the end result is still that he’s a reliever.

    • anonymous

      No way they get Bell for just Bard. Wasnt the line ‘we will accept ridiculously over priced offers on Bell’

    • Reggie C.

      Gammons continues to tout Bard as the “best young reliever in the game today.” Apparently Gammons has hacked his way into the Padres’s intranet and is on loop repeating this statement.

      • Rich M

        I remember when he said the same thing about Craig Hansen.

        • http://www.retire21.org Mike R. – Retire 21

          Manny del Carmen could be the closer for several teams.

      • http://www.retire21.org Mike R. – Retire 21

        Gammons also said that “All the world series title from 1989 to 2006 are tainted”. Why 2006?? Was that the magical eradication of steroids year or are you so biased and blind you refuse to admit that both your titles are tainted under your standard?

        I have never been this upset at a sport “reporter” before. Hack!

    • Chris V.

      The deal doesnt even make sense. Why would you trade bard to get bell? Bard is just as good and cheaper.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      believe Boston could get Heath Bell too if they’re willing to include pitcher Daniel Bard.

      Wait, so the Padres were asking for Maybin, Miller, or West from Florida, but they’re going to settle for Bard from Boston?

      No freaking way. I call bullshit, Feinsand and Madden.

    • http://leegrantphotography.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/madmax.jpg gxpanos

      If the Sox love Bard so much why would they trade him for Heath Bell? They would do the same thing.

      I mean, I’d rather have Bell than Bard, but Theo seems so high on the Rich Man’s Krazy Kyle, it seems weird.

    • j-man

      Bard as of right now is pitching better than Papelbon. He can dial it up to 100 with a great offspeed pitch. Paps has control issues. Boston needs to keep Bard to shure up the pen.

  • DSFC

    I think Bannister is a pretty good fifth starter, and easily better than Mitre.

  • Adam

    i like duke… but i wonder what the other duke(zack) would cost… he’s good.

    • zs190

      Zach Duke = not good, probably a 5th starter in AL East, but they’ll sell him like he’s a #2 or #3.

      • Mike bk

        i love how everyone bashes zach duke, but would trade for mark buehrle in a heartbeat. no i am not saying he is buehrle but he is putting up the same numbers with similar k rates.

        • zs190

          Mark Buerhle career ERA+, 123
          Zach Duke career ERA+, 102

          Mark Buerhle has had 8 straight 200+ inning season
          Zach Duke has 1 in 06.

          you can look at WHIP, H/9, BB/9, K/9, Buerhle has Duke beat in just about everything, Zach Duke is not Mark Buehrle.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          i am not saying he is buehrle but he is putting up the same numbers with similar k rates.

          No, he doesn’t.

          Duke’s career ERA+ is 102, in the NL. Buerhle is 123 in the AL.

          I like Duke, he’s a decent young lefty, but he’s not remotely Mark Buerhle. Not even close.

          • Mike bk

            i never said for his career now did i?

            • zs190

              Looking at one half season is not objective…you can take that half season Sergio Mitre had and he would be better than Mark Buerhle too, except that’s half a season, it doesn’t mean much.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              Whether considering past, present, future, upside, whatever… Buerhle >>>>>>>>>> Duke.

  • zs190

    I think we saw French earlier in the year, nothing special, high 80’s, low 90’s, don’t think he had any standout pitch, just a back end rotation guy. He pitched well against us though.

    Robles is 5’10, 160, KG at BP says he throws 90-94 with good command(though the walk numbers seem high…). Probably a live arm but he’s so small and he’s 20 in high A, not really very projectable, seems like a late inning Juan Cruz kind of guy.

    Doesn’t seem that impressive, that’s like Eric Hacker + Mike Dunn. And here we hear all that stuff from Heyman about them wanting Hughes, Montero, AJax, and Joba.

    • A-Rod is Still My Ninja

      5’10, 160 lbs sounds like Edwar Ramirez

  • Russell NY

    Tigers get Washburn. GRRRRRRRRRRRRR

    • Chris

      It could be worse. The Yankees could have gotten him.

      • jsbrendog

        ietc

  • Johan Iz My Brohan

    Cashman put Duchscherer in pinstripes already!

  • Charlie

    my money is still on cashman makin some kind of move before 4

  • http://theyankeeuniverse.com Moshe Mandel

    Heyman’s credibility is out the window with this trade. The names on the Yankees that he brought up were clearly never discussed, as this trade shows that Jack Z is actually a reasonable GM trying to trade 2 months of a guy pitching over his head. He never asked for Montero, at least not seriously.

    • Charlie

      who knows, maybe he did. maybe the whole league has conspired not to trade with the yankees this year and to make ridiculous offers.

      • http://theyankeeuniverse.com Moshe Mandel

        Or….he gets more hits from Yankee fans when bringing up Montero than say, Bleich and Betances.

        • Mike bk

          exactly…heyman is just making crap up at this point. yesterday was phil and joba and reporters shot that down so then today he just comes up with Montero

          • Billy

            he also listed paul bush as one of our prospects

  • GG

    GET THE DUKE…we need another starter, its no secret, and he won’t cost more than one middling prospect, nothing special…GET SOMETHING DONE CASH

  • A-Rod is Still My Ninja
  • Tank Foster

    Boston landing VMart or Gonzalez essentially levels the two teams. If the Yankees had even a mediocre Wang I’d say the Yanks had the advantage, but another big bat in Boston makes it a draw in my book. (Of course, nobody reads my book except me.)

    • Manimal

      Matsuzaka is supposed to come back soon, I think if they trade for someone it is definitely advantage Sox.

      • Tank Foster

        Good point. Of course, we have no idea if he’ll be any good, and Wakefield’s deal with the devil must be almost up, so I’m still not ready to give the Red Sox the advantage, But you might be right.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Boston landing VMart or Gonzalez essentially levels the two teams.

      No, it doesn’t. We still bat three guys in the bottom of our lineup that are above average to well above average hitters. They don’t. They need two bats, not just one.

      • Billy

        if they add gonzalez it probably does even them, but v-mart doesnt

      • Tank Foster

        Let’s see – erring on the side of favoring Boston, for the sake of argument:

        Tex/Youk: Tex better, but both very good. Even
        Cano/Rat Boy: Again, Cano more power, Rat better OBP. Even
        Jeter/Green: Grit edge to Nick, perhaps ;-) Adv Yankees
        ARod/Lowell: Facial hair to Boston, o/w Adv Yankees
        Posada/Captain: as above… Adv Yankees
        Damon/Bay: Bay started incredibly, now basically Even.
        Gardbrera/Ellsbury: Again, overall, basically Even.
        Swisher/Drew: Swish is streaky, overall Drew a bit better. Ad Red Sox
        Matsui/Ortiz: Tough one…I’ll say even.

        Pitching: I think you have to give the advantage to Boston here, but it’s pretty small.

        I guess you’re right, Mr. a/k/a. Adding Gonzo or VMart would close the gap, but even erring on the side of Boston, the Yankees have a much better offense.

        I don’t think the difference in pitching is huge, and the Yankees pitching might even be better, if Matsuzaka continues to not-contribute, and Wakefield starts remembering he’s 53 years old.

        But hey, with Gonzo or VMart, I think we can agree it’s reeeeeeally close between the two teams.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Agreed, except for one thing:

          Matsui/Ortiz: Tough one…I’ll say even Matsui in a landslide.

          Fixed.

          • Rick in Boston

            I’d add the advantage for Boston with Drew in right isn’t as advantageous as one would believe. Drew’s banged up (again) and he’s not hit all that well this year.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              That too.

          • Tank Foster

            Uh uh. Matsui is streaky. After the horrendous start, Ortiz is performing on par or better than Hideki-san. Public relations? Yes, landslide. And this fluff up may fry Ortiz for the rest of the year.

  • AndrewYF

    Love the video.

  • http://www.myspace.com/bayside Thirty5Thirty6
    • VO

      That’s the best thing they can do in my opinion. Just come out and tell the truth.

      • Dirt

        I agree, I think some people think they are trying to save their skins from if/when the whole thing gets released, but I think it shows some courage to admit it, I’m sure nobody will talk about Arroyo in a few days, but people will still be talking about Ortiz, it’s just the nature of the beast. (Also Arroyo wasn’t the player Ortiz was, so that’s important too)

    • jsbrendog

      this was my fav part. it sounds like college:

      “Now they don’t want us to take anything unless it’s approved. But back then, who knows what was in stuff? “

    • http://www.myspace.com/bayside Thirty5Thirty6

      Since 2004, when he stopped using andro, and 2006, when he stopped taking greenies (and switched to caffeine and ginseng), Arroyo said he has not experienced a negative dropoff in his performance – but his ability to recover between starts has changed

      http://www.bostonherald.com/sp.....id=1188184

      ERA+ from 2006 to now.

      142, 110, 95, and 86.

      Are you sure about that Brandon Bronson?

  • Dirt

    I don’t think I’ve heard anything about him in months, and I’m not saying he’s a solution or anything, just curious, what ever happened to Ben Sheets coming back mid year?

  • Billy

    i think it would be a mistake for cash to stand pat. he should make at least one move today. however, if the asking prices are as rediculous as we’ve been hearing, cash is right to say no. jesus montero for washburn would have been a tragedy.

  • jsbrendog

    nothing. is. going. on. what. el. eff?

  • Jose

    I feel like an addict, I keep hitting the refresh button on MLBTR hoping for some big trade to go down.

    • Manimal

      You and me both. Just put on MLB Network if your near a tv.

      • VO

        +1
        Right there with you guys. I’m sitting here MLBTR on, RAB, ESPN, SI, and MLB Network on the TV.

    • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

      So THIS is what it feels like to do crack..*refresh*…*refresh*..refresh*…

  • A-Rod is Still My Ninja
    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph Pawlikowski

      Second time you’ve posted a link without a real comment. Why. It pretty much violates our guidelines.

  • Reggie C.

    Mariners rejecting offers on Felix Hernandez?? If Jack Zduriencik is willing to listen … do we make an offer?

    source:
    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....andez.html

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      It would have to be a megapackage. They have no reason to move him. Joba, Hughes, Montero, Cano.

      • Mike Pop

        …and no team would probably be willing to give that much up. Wait till he has less years of team control, less to give up.

    • Manimal

      I cant see a trade for Felix that doesnt include Joba or Hughes.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Probably Joba AND Hughes. And other stuff too.

    • Reggie C.

      Could anyone envision Cashman making an offer of Chamberlain, Jackson, Montero, and Nova?

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      We probably made an offer. And it was most assuredly rejected.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

        I can’t imagine there’s a player in the majors with more trade value. Lincecum is probably equal, that’s it.

        • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

          How old is Matt Cain?

          Pujols?

          Just saying.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Exactly. The reason ARod made more money than everybody else in history when he hit the market wasn’t because he was the best hitter ever. It was because he was so insanely young. Felix Hernandez is still 23.

            TWENTY-THREE. Great googily moogily.

            • Reggie C.

              Sounds like you’d be willing to offer: Joba, Jackson, Jesus, Montero, Nova, and Bleich…

              • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

                Jesus AND Montero? Madness.

              • Raf

                do Jesus and Jesus Montero hang out down in the farm? lol

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                Nope. I’d be willing to be patient and wait for free agency.

            • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

              Although he WAS actually the best hitter ever.

              I would trade Montero and others for Pujols in this hypothetical situation we’ve created. He’s PUJOLS!

        • keith

          Longoria, perhaps j upton. Really short list anyway.

    • Billy

      no way we get him in a trade we’d have to give up way to much and he’s a free agent in a couple years

    • Mike bk

      sure…u want to give up joba, hughes, montero, a-jax, z-mac and romine. those are the kinds of packages it should take to deal him. wait two years and make a run as a FA. by then Jorge’s deal is over, jeter should be on a lower salary (hopefully) and i dont expect any big moves this offseason.

  • Thomas A. Anderson

    LOL, some teams actually had the balls to try to trade for Felix Hernandez. Unless one of those teams was SF and they were offering up The Freak, that’s hilarious.

    • Rick in Boston

      Just kicking the tires. Every GM does it. I’m sure Jeter was asked about all the time back in the mid-to-late 90’s.

      • jsbrendog

        doubtful, cause the yankees were winning. but i bet people ask abot hanram quite often in years past

        • Rick in Boston

          I guarantee you the Cardinals get asked about Pujols all the time, just like Jeter or A-Rod were in their youth. It’s a way of seeing what value your current players/prospects have in the eyes of other GM’s.

    • http://www.myspace.com/bayside Thirty5Thirty6

      Brings up an interesting question.

      The Freak or King Felix…WHO YA GOT!?!?

      • V

        Felix by a smidge – doing it in the AL.

        Lincecum is amazing though.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Cosign.

      • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

        DAN HAREN!!!

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          This is a joke, right?

          • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

            Yes.

  • Lanny

    The Tigers can start printing playoff tickets. Verlander-Jackson-Washburn is a top notch top 3. Maybe the best in the AL at this point. And before the homers go crazy you’re nuts if you think Joba will be starting come Sept with the inn limit.

    • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

      I don’t know. Onviously they have a paln in place; my guess is they skip a few starts with Joba so that he’s still starting come playoff time.

      • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

        *Obviously* *plan*

    • Billy

      a lanny sighting

    • jsbrendog

      definitive statement you can’t possibly prove and could go wrong and make you look bad:

      check

      insulting everyone by calling them homers:

      check

      and nuts:

      check

      hey everyone lanny made it!

    • Rick in Boston

      Why we as Yankee fans shouldn’t worry:

      vs. the Yankees this year, Verlander/Jackson/Washburn are 1-3 with a 2.18 ERA but 11 walks and five homers allowed.

      Not worried.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      The Tigers can start printing playoff tickets.

      To be frank, they were probably printing playoff tickets already. The Tigers were going to win the Central regardless. This move is about advancing in the playoffs, not making it there.

      I’ll agree with you though, that Verlander-Jackson-Washburn is a great 1-2-3, probably the best in the AL, yes. But the Tigers still have to hit, which is why they’re still looking for a bat.

      http://twitter.com/mlbtraderum.....2953748002

      This makes them better, but I still give us a slight advantage. I’d say the pecking order before was

      1-NYY 2-BOS 3-TBR 4-DET 5-LAA

      and now it’s

      1-NYY 2-DET 3-BOS 4-TBR 5-LAA

      • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

        I agree with your pecking order. *Golf clap*

      • Nady Nation

        Doesn’t the Tigers ‘pen kinda suck too?

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          It does, but, with Washburn as their third starter, their holes are still probably smaller than Boston/Tampa/Anaheim’s holes are.

          All five of the elite AL teams are good, but all of us have holes.

          • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

            We have the least.

          • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

            “but all of us have holes.”

            *Cue innappropriate joke relating to the female anatomy*

  • Charlie

    http://www.fannation.com/si_bl.....hburn-gone

    Apparently washburn wanted to come to the yanks. oh well, he doesn’t seem like a true yankee

    • Thomas A. Anderson

      I motion that the Yankee fanbase stop with this “True Yankee” bullshit.

      All that agree, say “aye”

      • Charlie

        it was a friggin joke. obviously its bullshit, so aye

        • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

          +1

      • handtius

        +1

  • Raf

    is that because hes not part of the 4 Rings Crew?

    • Raf

      crap was supposed to be a reply

  • Mike bk

    tigers going after luke scott as well. o’s apparently asking a lot since he is under control until 2012.

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      Reggie’s going to be crushed.

      NO WASHBURN!!!! WOOOOOOOOO!!!

    • Reggie C.

      Tigers really want to make my shit list ….

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Every time I hear the name “Luke Scott” i think of the Matt Damon character from Team America World Police.

        LUKE SCOTT!!!

  • Dirt

    Apparently I’m thinking injuries today, anyway: I know that Brandon Webb wouldn’t help this year, but assuming Cashmoney thinks he could come back strong would the Yanks make an offer? I’m guessing it would be like Wang where people would want to buy low, but the Yankees wouldn’t want to sell low, just wondering what you guys thought.

    • JMK

      A lot of risk and they’d still have to give up top-notch prospects to get Webb. Two sinkerballers with huge injury concerns and a serious loss to the farm?

      If it works, you look like a genius. But again, seems like too much risk.

  • Charlie

    boy, still nothing going on with the yanks… i say cash makes a move at 3:30 for duke/bannister/reliever we never expected (the / meaning “or”, of course)

  • http://www.myspace.com/bayside Thirty5Thirty6

    Anyone watching the bottom line on ESPN.

    It says.

    Wasburn to DET.

    Wasburn ESPN?

  • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime

    I’m all for the Yanks signing King Felix in 2011

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      I am, too, but apparently he said he didn’t want to play in NY. I can’t find it but I remember reading it.

      • Charlie

        CC didn’t appear to want to play in NY either…

        • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

          When did he say that?

          Link please?

          That was just a myth the fans made up becuase he didn’t say it was absolute favorite place he’d always dreamed of playing in.

          • Charlie

            He didn’t actually say it, my point is that money talks and if the yanks throw 180 million at Felix, he’ll probably want to play in NY after all

            • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

              Oh well in that case I agree with you.

          • Mike bk

            that was way back when he was an IFA.

      • Reggie C.

        That’s called “getting-prepped-by-your-agent.” Its never too early to start putting East Coast teams on notice.

  • Tony

    Am I the only one who realizes that VMart, especially as a replacement for Lowell (essentially) is not some kind of game changing monumental upgrade? I would LOVE for Cleveland to drain that farm system for him. His numbers translate to solid, but not elite, at 1B.

    • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

      You mean Boston trade that farm system for him?

      Anyway, I agree.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Agreed. Victor Martinez is a good bat, but he’s not a Ortiz/Manny in their juicing primes bat that really scares you.

      The Sox need to add TWO pieces to really be a threat. Not one, two.

    • JMK

      Totally agree. I’m a bit more worried if they add A-Gonz, but Martinez still doesn’t make the Sox even a good-hitting team.

  • JMK

    I saw on MLBTR that the Royals and Yanks haggled over $650 k on Bannister. To me it’s a marginal cost assuming the prospects were mid-level. Anyway, it seems that Mark Teahan is also on the block. Teahan strikes out a lot and his OBP isn’t great (I think it’s like .344) but he can play the outfield and the infield and his bat is much better than Ransom’s.

    Anyone think a package for Bannister and Teahan makes any sense?

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      I think the Yanks backed out of it because of who KC wanted for Bannister more so than because of the money.

      • JMK

        Gotcha. Any guesses as to who that might be? Jackson? Z-Mac?

    • E-ROC

      He can’t play shortstop or second base and probably is a platoon player. Might as well keep Hinske and Ransom than pay the price for Bannister and Teahan.

      • JMK

        Makes sense. Thanks.

  • Billy

    heyman says yanks pessimistic about a move. that probably means they’ll make a move

    • Johan Iz My Brohan

      If I was his boss, I would fire his ass.

      • Chris

        Yet everyone keeps reading and linking to him, so his boss must be happy.

  • E-ROC

    At least the Justin Duchscherer dream is alive.

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      +1.

      I didn’t want Washburn but I think he’ll do well in Detroit (much better than he’d do in NY).

      • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

        Detroit is a hitter’s ballpark too I believe.

        • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

          I think Comerica plays favorable more because of the gaps rather than the fences. Basically, I wouldn’t expect his HR rate to rise which is what I ‘d be worried about if he were on the Yankees.

          • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

            Fair enough.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            I’m curious to see how his H/9 changes now that his outfield defense will be Carlos Guillen-Curtis Granderson-Clete Thomas instead of Wladimir Balentien-Franklin Gutierrez-Ichiro.

            That’s a step down across the board. And it only gets worse when Magglio plays RF.

            • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

              Yeah, his OF defense in SEA was incredible.

              Question: Carlos Guillen will be (better/worse) than Bobby Abreu in the OF?

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                This year, with suprisingly-less-crappy Bob Abreu OF defense? Probably Comedulce, by a nose.

                We’re splitting hairs here, though. Bad hairs.

                • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

                  You missed a fun Kevin Smith-related comment vortex during the game last night.

          • http://farm1.static.flickr.com/153/413671602_daded72a81_m.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

            Yup. Comerica ranks middle of the pack overall but 23rd for home runs this year. (For comparison’s sake, Safeco is tied for 20th and YS3 is numero uno.)

  • Johan Iz My Brohan

    AGonz deal very unlikely according to Jonathan Mayo

  • Manimal

    Washburn even wanted to go to the yankees… wtf.

  • Tony

    Ummm… maybe we should stop taking everything we read on mlbtr as the gospel. 650k isn’t why the Yankees aren’t getting Bannister.

    • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

      Absolutely, +1.

    • Drew

      If Buster and Stark say it, it must be true.

    • Jose

      Take every source on trade rumors with a grain of salt. Suddenly everyone is the accountant for the New York Yankees and knows the actual truths about their financial decisions.

  • Januz

    I really wonder if Cashman is playing poker with Toronto, trying to get Halliday. A package starting with Montero would not be bad at all. If Boston makes a Martinez or Gonzalez trade, they will be out of trading chips, and the Yankees might be able to steal Halliday away. A long-shot? Of course, but so was sihning all THREE of Tex, CC & AJ last year.

    • Mike Pop

      Na.

      Not only does Cash not want to deal the goods, yanks might not have the money.

    • Tank Foster

      I honestly don’t think the Yankees have the money to do that.

    • Reggie C.

      As much as Halliday would be the biggest “get” of the trading deadline, I simply do not want to see Montero traded for a 32 year old who’s 1.5 years away from free agency.

      Montero+ for Felix? Sure. But not for Halliday and since JP Ricc is essentially asking for a haul along the lines of what would take to get Felix Hernandez (imo) , then the only answer Ricc should get is NO.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Still not interested.

  • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime

    RT @BloggingBombers: Chad Jennings reports Shelley Duncan on his way to Chicago to join the Yankees for tonight’s game.

    • jsbrendog

      FOREARM SMASH!

      • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

        I still suspect Shelley Duncan had a large part in Phil Hughes’ broken rib.

    • Drew

      I’m ready for a Shelley Smash. I wonder who he would even pinch hit for? I guess just Molina or Cody if they are in the game.

    • Nady Nation

      Who neeeds a deadline acquisition when you can call up Shelley Duncan?

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        He’s gonna be our playoff Game 4 starting pitcher. You heard it here first.

        • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

          Game 7 starter.

    • VO

      You got me this time Optimist

    • Rob in CT

      Does this finally mean that the Cody Ransom era is over?! Praise Mo!

      • gio

        Yeah, Shelley is a UTI now…

        • gio

          In all sincerity, this probably means Albie/Melancon go back down.

  • VO

    Shelley Duncan on his way to Chicago. Per PeteAbe