Jul
31

Trade Deadline Spillover Thread

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Orlando Cabrera was just shipped to the Twins for ex-Yankee draftee Tyler Ladendorf. Keep the discussion going here.

Update (1:11pm): In far more interesting news, Justin Duchscherer has been scratched from tonight’s rehab start.

Update by Joe (1:57 p.m.): Looks like Victor Martinez to the Red Sox. Will have more when we hear it.

Update by Joe (2:50 p.m.): Justin Masterson and Nick Hagadone in the deal. No Buchholz or Bard. That doesn’t seem like a good haul for a switch-hitting catcher with another year left on his contract.

Categories : Open Thread

288 Comments»

  1. Russell NY says:

    Oh no! The Twins are unbeatable now! Haha. I believe the Red Sox had interest in this guy at one point but they wisely stayed away and waited for Lowrie. Mediocrity.

  2. Holy shit… Jim Duquette is on MLBTV as a special analyst for the trade deadline.

  3. Fred says:

    What do you guys think of Doug Davis or Jon Garland? Worth a trade?

  4. Johan Iz My Brohan says:

    Joe Mauer got his guy, he better stay in Minny, which I think he will anyway.

  5. Russell NY says:

    MLBTradeRumors: ESPN’s Amy K. Nelson, via Twitter, says the Dodgers acquired catcher Vinny Rottino from the Brewers for pitcher Claudio Vargas.

  6. Moshe Mandel says:

    Duchscherer has been scrapped from his rehab start tonight. Hmm…

  7. Duscherer has an awesome name.

  8. Russell NY says:

    I could not describe how happy I would be if we got Justin D. I would be dancing.

  9. Update (1:11pm): In far more interesting news, Justin Duchscherer has been scratched from tonight’s rehab start.

    OH SHIT

  10. Dela G says:

    please god yankees land duke

    this guy will be incredible

  11. It’s totally a tough name, but here’s how you actually spell it:

    D-U-C-H-S-C-H-E-R-E-R

    Like “Duke-Sher-Er.”

  12. Bruno says:

    Am I the only one here that would try to get Rios?

  13. Nady Nation says:

    What would everyone be willing to give up to land Dookie?

  14. Johan Iz My Brohan says:

    Please Cashman get Duch

  15. Bo says:

    I’m kinda thinking that the calls from Ny to Sea didnt involve Washburn but involved Felix.

  16. Rob H. says:

    haha from MLBTR:

    “12:22pm: SI’s Jon Heyman says the Tigers and Red Sox were among the teams inquiring on King Felix.”

    The Red Sox weren’t willing to pony up what it needed for Halladay so they think they’d be able to get Felix for the same?

  17. Joe says:

    From Stark on ESPN:

    “When the Yankees called on Jarrod Washburn, Seattle asked for either of the Yankees’ top two position-player prospects — catcher Miguel Montero or outfielder Austin Jackson, ESPN.com’s Jayson Stark reports. The Yankees then made a counterproposal of lesser prospects and never heard back, as Seattle plowed ahead and dealt Washburn to Detroit. ”

    Apparently Jesus has a brother we don’t know about…

  18. Nady Nation says:

    How minimal would the compensation be to land Duke?

  19. Rob H. says:

    MLBTR:
    “12:26pm: A Jayson Stark source says the asking price for Gonzalez is “astronomical, three times the asking price on Halladay.”

    Well that is good to hear if that is indeed true. I’d be much more worried if the Sox could get Gonzalez than I am if they are able to get V-Mart.

  20. VO says:

    Is MLBTR having difficulty loading for anyone else?

  21. Johan Iz My Brohan says:

    USA Today’s Bob Nightengale via Twitter: the Red Sox are about to acquire Victor Martinez from the Indians.

  22. V says:

    Lol, Stark says the Mariners wanted MIGUEL Montero from the Yankees.

    You’d think these guys could get the fuggin’ names right, no?

  23. Dela G says:

    damn it, the sox are about to acquire vmart

  24. Johan Iz My Brohan says:

    If/when this becomes official, VMart becomes their catcher of the future, and then Varitek goes, which means NO MO’ NO HITTAHS!

  25. mustang says:

    does anyone know what the sox give up?

    Pitching please i hope

  26. V says:

    Bob Nightengale: “Mariners listened hard but rejected a deal from Red Sox for ace Felix Hernandez”

  27. Bo says:

    How many 1b DH types will the Sox stockpile?

    How does this make them better? Is Youk going to play SS now???

  28. jsbrendog says:

    meh, sox get victor martinez. yawn.

  29. Bo says:

    The only player that would have made me nervous if the Sox got him was Halladay. Another 1b-DH type doesn’t scare me. And Martinez hasnt exactly been good lately. Who sits for them now? ortiz? Lowell? I cant see them sitting Varitek since the pitchers love him.

    • wtf says:

      Agreed. If they got Halladay I would be throwing up profusely right now. THere was no way the yankees were going to get V-Mart.

  30. I can’t wait to see Gardner/Jeter/Damon et al run wild all over Victor Martinez. Every single’s now a triple. Good times.

  31. wtf says:

    V-Mart to the Sox means nothing to yankees, except for the fact that boston upgraded. V-Mart to the yankees makes no sense because there is no fit for him.

  32. Dexception32 says:

    This basically means Mikey Lowell, who happens to be their hottest hitter right now finds the bench….

  33. Just a side-note… But let’s not get too excited about Victor Martinez being the Sox’ only acquisition just yet. Day ain’t over yet, and there have been reports all week that they’ve been working on more than one acquisition.

    • jsbrendog says:

      balloon deflation complete.

      • Ha, yeah, sorry. Remember last year when Manny was traded right at (and, really, after) the deadline? For all we know the Sox are about to go nuclear and bring in another piece, whether it be Halladay or someone we haven’t been discussing.

        So let’s let the day play out before we start thinking we know the results.

  34. jsbrendog says:

    if the diamondbacks/rangers wouldnt trade one of their catchers for anything less than bucholz you have to think that’s a part of this no?

  35. Paul O'neill says:

    anyone but halladay.

  36. Brendan says:

    Bronson Arroyo just admitted to doing steroids in 2003 with the Red Sox…

  37. Jack says:

    From MLBTR’s comment section:

    “Heres the likely potential trade:

    V-Mart and LaPorta to Boston

    Buchholz, Bowden, Bard, Anderson to Cleveland”

    I found this quite humorous.

  38. Dexception32 says:

    Two Things, One picking up Tex looks even better now. Red Sox scrambling for a bat, giving up prospects. Two, they have to get rid of Laroche no?

  39. mustang says:

    if they gave up Clay Buchholz for V_mart

    I’m so ok with that

  40. Paul O'neill says:

    i have a feeling they didnt

  41. Paul O'neill says:

    yankees need to add some pitching depth

  42. Paul O'neill says:

    how about another bullpen arm

  43. mustang says:

    “Victor Martinez from the Indians. Ed Price of AOL Fanhouse, trying to confirm, says it “looks good.” FOX Sports agrees, and notes a lack of a third team involved. They also believe this kills the Adrian Gonzalez talks.”

    just asking which would of been better Martinez or Gonzalez ?

    I think Gonzalez.

    • Zack says:

      depends on cost. gonzalez is obviously younger, cheaper and better. but would have cost buchholz, anderson, kelly/bard or more

  44. Fat Francesa says:

    Even Matsui can steal bases of V-Mart.

  45. Paul O'neill says:

    as long as the sox dont get pitching. Their rotation is in shambles after beckett and lester.

  46. Mike bk says:

    1:27pm: FOX now says Clay Buchholz and Daniel Bard are not in this deal.

    What is Schapiro doing?

  47. charlespoet says:

    Buchholz and Bard not in the deal

  48. charlespoet says:

    Sorry, not appropriate for this thread but Red Sox misery is like watching the GOP come up with new ideas, pure comedy.

    “David Ortiz lied to you. It seems safe to say that his entire Red Sox career is a lie. And those life-changing Red Sox championships of 2004 and 2007? Are they forever tainted? You bet.” — Dan Shaughnessy, Boston Globe

  49. Hagadone and Masterson? I don’t know.

  50. Mike bk says:

    1:35pm: MLB.com’s Jonathan Mayo says (via Twitter) pitchers Nick Hagadone and Justin Masterson are in the deal. Gut reaction: nice haul.

  51. Mike bk says:

    1:35pm: MLB.com’s Jonathan Mayo says (via Twitter) pitchers Nick Hagadone and Justin Masterson are in the deal. Gut reaction: nice haul. Mayo also says the two clubs are looking at additional names to add for Cleveland.

    I would say so.

  52. Bo says:

    Masterson is a bullpen arm but no secondary pitches.

  53. Dexception32 says:

    Masterson is the savior for their bullpen, anytime starters are in trouble he puts out fires. He’s good. And its a tough loss for them this year.

  54. Mike bk says:

    1:47pm: ESPN’s Jayson Stark says the price for Bannister is similar to that of Jarrod Washburn – “big league-ready starter, pitching prospect with upside.” He says the Yanks maintain mild interest.

  55. What are the boards thoughts on the possibility of acquiring Bannister from the Royals?

    • Mike bk says:

      i like it because he is 28 has a couple years of team control left and can fill the 5 spot for wang next year. also 50% gb is great.

      • Zack says:

        serious question- why did he suck so bad last year?

        • Mike bk says:

          cause he thought he needed to use his fastball more to get more misses. he changed this year and has been using a cutter more and getting more ground balls.

          • Salty Buggah says:

            yep, and I heard he’s using his pitch f/x data to help him pitch better and he found out the stuff you said.

    • Bo says:

      Bannister would certainly add to the depth of the starting pitching. We’d be able to give Joba breaks to prolong his starting which is good since the other option is the Key Man.

      What Cashman will give up? Knowing his MO, not much.

  56. mustang says:

    The tribe gives V-Mart to the Sox for Justin Masterson and Nick Hagadone.

    And ask the Yanks for hughes or joba for Lee

    That’s fair.

    • Mike bk says:

      dude get off it. the yanks never inquired on V-Mart.

      • Mike bk says:

        and i dont remember them really being in on lee. the places that said joba or hughes were the halladay rumors and seattle but both were reported by heyman so it was probably just made up.

    • Bo says:

      Well to be fair one is a Cy Young winning left handed starter. the other is a DH who can occasionally catch.

  57. Mike bk says:

    1:55pm: Rosenthal on MLB Network: the Dodgers are making a run at Gonzalez and Bell; could send James Loney to San Diego in such a deal.

    SD had better get Kershaw to give up Gonzo in the division.

    • Zack says:

      didnt they refuse to give up PEavy and his contract to LA?

    • Bo says:

      What do they need with Bell? They just added Sherril.

      • Mike bk says:

        not sure, especially when bell’s price is so inflated right now. im sure there are cheaper options if they want more pen work.

        they didnt give up any of their best prospects for sherill so they still have “some” chips, but not if SD supposedly asked for maybin and miller for bell.

      • Zack says:

        because only 2 of their starters (Billingsly/Wolf) average over 6 IP/S, they always need 3+ IP from their pen
        Sherril-Bell-Broxton is pretty sick

  58. C Bleak says:

    What would be the best way of measuring one player vs the other using today’s stats. For example Robinson Cano vs. David Wright this year?

  59. handtius says:

    we just got jerry Hairston Jr.?

  60. Reggie C. says:

    If this Laroche for Kotchman trade is true then Theo might have an ace up his sleeve.

  61. Harold Reynolds…is…an idiot.

  62. Dexception32 says:

    I think the Red Sox thus far have just shot themselves in the foot. Chemistry wise these trades are nightmarish. Varitek is gonna be pissed, Lowell is gonna be pissed, youkilis is gonna say wtf, no idea how loyal pitchers are to Varitek, but Schilling worships the guy and says everyone else does likewise. Masterson was a big time piece of their bullpen, and Victor or Kotchman are not additional pieces they are replacment pieces for which offensively they get really only a slight upgrade over Ortiz and Lowell….

  63. [...] Update by Joe (2:50 p.m.): Justin Masterson and Nick Hagadone in the deal. No Buchholz or Bard. That doesn’t seem like a good haul for a switch-hitting catcher with another year left on his contract.[....] [...]

  64. [...] deadline day, we learned that Duchscherer would miss his final rehab start. That always starts the trade speculation, but it turned out that Duchscherer missed his start for [...]

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