Trade Deadline Spillover Thread

The Return of Shelley Duncan
What to do with the Steroid Era

Orlando Cabrera was just shipped to the Twins for ex-Yankee draftee Tyler Ladendorf. Keep the discussion going here.

Update (1:11pm): In far more interesting news, Justin Duchscherer has been scratched from tonight’s rehab start.

Update by Joe (1:57 p.m.): Looks like Victor Martinez to the Red Sox. Will have more when we hear it.

Update by Joe (2:50 p.m.): Justin Masterson and Nick Hagadone in the deal. No Buchholz or Bard. That doesn’t seem like a good haul for a switch-hitting catcher with another year left on his contract.

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The Return of Shelley Duncan
What to do with the Steroid Era
  • Russell NY

    Oh no! The Twins are unbeatable now! Haha. I believe the Red Sox had interest in this guy at one point but they wisely stayed away and waited for Lowrie. Mediocrity.

    • Charlie

      wisely? i don’t know about that. lowrie’s hitting in the low .100s and isn’t all that great

      • Jose

        OPS+: 0

        • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

          That’s higher than -1! But lower than 1.

          I know math. :-)

      • Dirt

        But he’s a Red Sox farm product? You mean he and Pedroia aren’t twins???

      • charlespoet

        Bite your tongue. Peter Gammons will haunt you. Lowrie is as good as Ellsbury.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Yeah, I’d much rather have O-Cab than the poo-poo platter of replacement-level shortstops Boston has trotted out there this season if I was a Sox fan.

        Of course, if I was a Sox fan I’d have horrible personal hygiene and probably engage in bestiality, so I may not pay much attention to whom my shortstop is, but you get my general point.

        • http://twitter.com/themanchine Bruno

          ietc

        • JMK

          Ever been to the Northeast Kingdom in Vermont? Your statement (well the last part, specifically) is remarkably true. I’m still waiting for Gandalf to gallop through a kingdom of trailers, Sawx hats, and toothless smiles.

          /Last week living in Vermont
          //Will miss the maple syrup though

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Heh.

  • http://farm1.static.flickr.com/153/413671602_daded72a81_m.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

    Holy shit… Jim Duquette is on MLBTV as a special analyst for the trade deadline.

    • Bo

      Thats like NBATV hiring Isiah Thomas and Scott Laydon to work the NBA trade deadline.

      • Jack

        You know, I would probably watch that.

        Also, don’t forget NBC hiring Matt Millen for SNF.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Layden, but yeah.

        I did crack up when they hired Matt Millen as a football analyst, though.

        • Jack

          Ha! Beat you to it!

  • Fred

    What do you guys think of Doug Davis or Jon Garland? Worth a trade?

    • Mike Pop

      Nope.

      that’s all that needs to be said.

    • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

      Nah, we already have Mitre.

    • http://farm1.static.flickr.com/153/413671602_daded72a81_m.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

      No. They’re both terrible. Not worth whatever Arizona would request for them.

    • whozat

      No. It’s been kicked around a lot in here. Search for the names.

      Their peripherals kind of suck in the weakest division in baseball

      • jsbrendog

        weakest division in baseball is the nl east. giants, rockies, dodghers have very good records.

        this is now a misconception as opposed to preivous years. the malrins, in second in the east would be in 4th i believe in the nl west

    • Dirt

      I say no, because it cost prospects for somebody who isn’t going to be good at all.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Bangwagon all of these responses.

        • Dirt

          What are you a Red Sox fan, you bandwagoner…

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Red Sox fans bandwagon.

            Yankee fans BANGWAGON.

            • Dirt

              I just pictured an Oregon Trail style bangwagon

              • Dirt

                Gives a whole new meaning to caulk the wagon and float ;-)

            • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

              Shabam.

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      I’d rather go swimming in cat piss for an hour than have Cash trade for one of those guys.

      • http://twitter.com/themanchine Bruno

        2 or 3 hours is still a better option then them.

  • Johan Iz My Brohan

    Joe Mauer got his guy, he better stay in Minny, which I think he will anyway.

  • Russell NY

    MLBTradeRumors: ESPN’s Amy K. Nelson, via Twitter, says the Dodgers acquired catcher Vinny Rottino from the Brewers for pitcher Claudio Vargas.

    • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

      Stas? Who are those people?

      • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

        *stats*

        • whozat

          Go look them up!

          baseballreference.com, thebaseballcube.com…

          the other posters here don’t exist to look up info for you.

          • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

            I know, I know.

            But I figured it was worth a shot to ask due to my laziness.

    • charlespoet

      Nice to see the NY boroughs unite.

  • Moshe Mandel

    Duchscherer has been scrapped from his rehab start tonight. Hmm…

    • Joe R

      Any word as to why?

  • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime

    Duscherer has an awesome name.

    • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

      The jokes are endless.

    • Chris

      So does Duchsherer

      • Dirt

        So does Niko Popodopolous

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Welcome to “World News Tonight”. Charles Gibson is off tonight, I’m George Stuffinenvelopes.

  • Russell NY

    I could not describe how happy I would be if we got Justin D. I would be dancing.

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

    Update (1:11pm): In far more interesting news, Justin Duchscherer has been scratched from tonight’s rehab start.

    OH SHIT

    • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

      Why is this OH SHIT worthy?

      Dislike Duchscherer? What would he do for the 09′ club?

      • Mike Pop

        He likes it.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        No, that was an OH SHIT of excitement, not an OH SHIT of dread and loathing.

        (Although it may have just been a Duchscherer poop joke. That’s possible too.)

        I’m all on board with a Duke buy low acquisition.

        • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

          So what are his numbers. How does he like us.

          I really want Duke and Capps, who both fit well with us.

          • whozat

            Why would Pittsburgh trade either of them for a price we want to pay?

            Duke would likely be a back-end starter in our division, but he’ll be priced like a #2. Capps is their closer, right? And he’s under control for years yet?

            • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

              ecause they’re the Pirates. They’ve become legendary for making crappy deals.

              • whozat

                Look at what they’ve done this year.

                They’ve executed an excellent fire sale, actually. They’ve gotten back very good value for pretty much everyone.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  Hinske?

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  Hinske was the only guy they didn’t get a good return for, but to be fair, we’re talking about Eric Hinske here. He’s not exactly a gamechanger.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  It just seemed like we got him for a bag of balls and a song.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  Which is why I said that the Hinske deal was the ONLY deal they didn’t get a decent return on.

                  Maybe the LaRoche deal too… but again, you’re not going to get much for that guy either.

                  The McLouth, Morgan, Wilson/Snell, and Sanchez deals were pretty solid, though.

                • Mike bk

                  mcclouth wasnt great…the last two and the morgan deal were good.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            The reason I like Duchscherer better than Duke or Capps is precisely because Duchscherer is injured and thus, should have a lower price tag. I’ve got a feeling we wouldn’t like what Pittsburgh would charge us for Duke or Capps.

            • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

              We’d have to wait longer for him, and then there are no gurantees that he’d come back and pitch effectively. He could pull a Wang and have a messed up career.

              • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                Or should I say a messed up year.

                I don’t think Wang is done for the year.

                • http://twitter.com/themanchine Bruno

                  Despite the Yanks saying he might miss all of NEXT year as well?

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  Yeah, expecting Wang any sooner than the 2010 All-Star Break is wishful thinking. He just got cut up two days ago. He’s done for a year.

                  http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....index.html

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  Sorry, scratch the word year at the bottom of my comment and replace with career.

          • http://farm1.static.flickr.com/153/413671602_daded72a81_m.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

            “So what are his numbers.”

            baseball-reference.com

            “How does he like us.”

            Huh?

            • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

              Scratch like and change with fit with.

              No idea why I typed like.

              • http://farm1.static.flickr.com/153/413671602_daded72a81_m.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                How does he fit? Like I said below… He’s an arm, which I think we all agree the Yanks could use, and he has had success at the MLB level as both a reliever and a starter.

      • http://farm1.static.flickr.com/153/413671602_daded72a81_m.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

        “Dislike Duchscherer?”

        Dude, where have you been the last month? Want Duchscherer, not dislike.

        “What would he do for the 09? club?”

        Come in, in a couple of weeks, and slot in either as a 5th starter candidate or in the bullpen, as he has had success in both roles in his career.

        • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

          I just don’t know anything about him.

          Thanks.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside
          • I Remember Celerino Sanchez
            • Rob H.

              you spelled “statistics” wrong. lol

              • I Remember Celerino Sanchez

                Me: FAIL

            • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

              Too late. Just used baseball reference.

    • I Remember Celerino Sanchez

      Could mean injury recurrence.

      Could mean trade is going to happen and they don’t want to risk an injury.

      Hmmmmmmmmmm.

    • http://twitter.com/themanchine Bruno

      Hopefully it’s bc we traded for him, and not a setback.

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      It could be from back issues, which have stunted his rehab twice.

  • Dela G

    please god yankees land duke

    this guy will be incredible

    • whozat

      slow down…let’s set some reasonable expectations here.

      This guy will, hopefully, get back in a couple weeks and there’s reason to believe he’d be above average.

      • Russell NY

        I am crossing my fingers for this to happen.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        That.

      • Dela G

        above average is better than mitre right now

        • Bo

          Let’s not go crazy. hes coming off an injury here and has barely rehabbed.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            We don’t need him to be lights out immediately. We need depth, we can afford to wait for him to round into shape during August.

        • Chris

          Not really. Mitre has actually pitched pretty well. The difference between his FIP and ERA is 3.23 (13th out of 483 pitchers with at least 10 IP). That means he’s been very unlucky so far.

  • http://farm1.static.flickr.com/153/413671602_daded72a81_m.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

    It’s totally a tough name, but here’s how you actually spell it:

    D-U-C-H-S-C-H-E-R-E-R

    Like “Duke-Sher-Er.”

  • http://twitter.com/themanchine Bruno

    Am I the only one here that would try to get Rios?

    • Russell NY

      I’m guessing yes.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Yes.

    • whozat

      You’re the only one here who thinks that he’d be available for a reasonable price.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        The only “reasonable price” for Rios is if we get him for a non-elite prospect AND the Jays send along about 20-30M to cover half of his remaining salary obligations.

        • whozat

          yep. And that’ll never happen.

        • http://twitter.com/themanchine Bruno

          He’s an upgrade over Gradbrerain CF this year, and would fit in RF next year.

          Jeter
          Rios
          Tex
          A-Rod
          Posada
          Cano
          Swisher
          Catcher?
          A-Jax

          • Dirt

            Posada? I know he’s not young, but I’m not sure I would prefer Cervelli or somebody else (Montero won’t be ready yet) to Posada full time yet…

            • http://twitter.com/themanchine Bruno

              Olivo isn’t that bad of a stop-gap until Jesus is ready.

              • Dirt

                My point, I guess, is that I think Posada is more than a stop gap…and that you don’t need another one that would require money and/or prospects.

                • http://twitter.com/themanchine Bruno

                  Matusi’s gone next year. Signing Olivo for 1-2yrs wouldn’t cost more than $3-4m a year. Chump change for the Yanks. Posada at DH.

          • whozat

            He is WORSE THAN AVERAGE in RF right now.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            He’s an upgrade over Gradbrerain CF this year…

            Melky Cabrera – .290/.354/.448 (110+)
            Brett Gardner – .275/.354/.400 (99+)
            Alex Rios – .265/.322/.423 (96+)

            Oh, and both Melky and Gardner are much better defensively in CF than Rios is.

            He’s not an upgrade. He’s a DOWNGRADE.

            • whozat

              But I’ve HEARD of him!!!

            • http://twitter.com/themanchine Bruno

              Ok Ok. I’ve conceded that I was wrong and stupid. No need to shove my foot further down my throat LOL.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                Sorry. I type and post fast. That one was in the works before you conceded.

                Don’t take it personal, you’re good money.

                • http://twitter.com/themanchine Bruno

                  It’s all good. If I can dish it, I better be able to take the heat.

      • http://twitter.com/themanchine Bruno

        I’m just sayin he’s worth kicking the tires on. But you’re right, probably over-priced prospect wise.

        • whozat

          and contract-wise.

          Not near as bad as Wells, but still not that good.

          protip: think about what you’d be willing to offer for the guy, and then put yourself in the other GM’s shoes and think about what you do. If the answer isn’t “strongly think about it,” don’t post.

          • http://twitter.com/themanchine Bruno

            That’s the thing:
            Romnie, Z-Mac, Melky would get me thinking. I would save boatloads of coin, and shifting Wells to RF might help him be a LgAvg hitter again (but probably not).

            • whozat

              But that wouldn’t be an offer that Cashman would or should make.

              Rios is not an elite hitting RFer, and he’s been worse than average this season.

              Romine by himself for Rios+30 mil MAYBE, and that’s something that JP would not do.

          • I Remember Celerino Sanchez

            Yup.

            Here are Rios’s contract numbers, courtesty of Cot’s (Warning, avert your eyes if you are sensitive to scary images):

            10:$9.7M,
            11:$12M,
            12:$12M,
            13:$12.5M,
            14:$12.5M,
            15:$13.5M club option ($1M buyout)

            Plus:
            * full no-trade clause, 2009-10
            * limited no-trade clause, 2011 – end of deal (may block trades to 6 clubs)

            PASS
            # 1 year/$4.835M (2008)

            • http://twitter.com/themanchine Bruno

              Didn’t realize it was that bad.

              • whozat

                Then why not look it up first?

                We are lucky to have all this data available to us. Take advantage of it.

            • Chris

              On the flip side, he’s 28 now and has been worth an average of of roughly $12M a year each of his first 6 years in the league (including so far this year).

              He’s probably overpaid, but not significantly – especially considering that he can play CF, but hasn’t played there much other than last year because of Vernon Wells.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Think of it this way: Whatever marginal upgrade either Wells or Rios would present over anyone else we have internally (or could add through free agency) is countermanded by the advantage we currently have that we’d be losing by letting the Blue Jays off the hook from those horrid contracts.

          One of the best possible things for our divisional strategy is to have our opponents hamstrung by bad contracts that limit their ability to add talent to compete with us.

          Rios and Wells hurting the Jays payroll flexibilty >>>>>>>> Rios and Wells being slightly better than Melky, Gardner, AJax, Swisher, or Hinske

          • http://twitter.com/themanchine Bruno

            touche

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              You’re welcome.

    • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

      Yep.

  • Nady Nation

    What would everyone be willing to give up to land Dookie?

  • Johan Iz My Brohan

    Please Cashman get Duch

  • Bo

    I’m kinda thinking that the calls from Ny to Sea didnt involve Washburn but involved Felix.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Perhaps, but they probably didn’t amount to much on either end.

      We shouldn’t have given up much for Washburn, and we couldn’t possibly give up enough to land Felix (without stupidly gutting our team).

  • Rob H.

    haha from MLBTR:

    “12:22pm: SI’s Jon Heyman says the Tigers and Red Sox were among the teams inquiring on King Felix.”

    The Red Sox weren’t willing to pony up what it needed for Halladay so they think they’d be able to get Felix for the same?

    • whozat

      No, I’m sure they heard that Seattle was even bothering to listen on Felix, and put in a call — like any good GM should have. I’m sure the Yanks called too.

    • Johan Iz My Brohan

      Felix would cost double the prospects that Roy Halladay would fetch now. I don’t believe this one bit, honestly.

    • http://twitter.com/themanchine Bruno

      Theo’s teh genius!!1!

    • http://farm1.static.flickr.com/153/413671602_daded72a81_m.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

      Who says they offered the same package for Halladay and for Felix?

      • Bo

        The Sox could offer a major package for Felix if they so desired. So could we.

    • http://www.retire21.org Mike R. – Retire 21

      The Red Sox think they can acquire anyone. Why do I get the feeling that they’ll be inquiring on Pujols next?

  • Joe

    From Stark on ESPN:

    “When the Yankees called on Jarrod Washburn, Seattle asked for either of the Yankees’ top two position-player prospects — catcher Miguel Montero or outfielder Austin Jackson, ESPN.com’s Jayson Stark reports. The Yankees then made a counterproposal of lesser prospects and never heard back, as Seattle plowed ahead and dealt Washburn to Detroit. ”

    Apparently Jesus has a brother we don’t know about…

    • Mike Pop

      Wow, that’s bad.

    • Dela G

      quality ESPN reporting

    • Jose

      Cashman is a genius, offer guys from other teams who have similar names to Yankee players to try and trade for people.

      • Dela G

        hahaha ietcvvvm

    • JMK

      How does Stark have a job? And with ESPN’s money, don’t they have copyeditors to look through these things?

    • Chili Davis

      And apparently the Mariner front office is a place where smoking crack is encouraged. Montero or AJax for Washburn? LOL

      • whozat

        Hey, why not ask?

        You know the Yanks might be a bit desperate looking to upgrade if the Sox do something big…and Detroit has some pieces that can step in for you right now, which the Yanks don’t/won’t give up.

        If you have to wait a year or two for the players to arrive, that means you need more upside. Worst that happens is they say no and you go ahead with Detroit.

    • Mike bk

      miguel montero is very good catcher for ARIZONA.

    • I Remember Celerino Sanchez

      Miguel = Michael
      Michael means “Of God”
      Some religions look at Jesus as a god
      Ergo Miguel Montero is accurate.

      /ESPN Brainwashed’d

    • pete

      if we could have gotten washburn for miguel montero, it would be pretty much the greatest manegerial move in history

  • Nady Nation

    How minimal would the compensation be to land Duke?

    • whozat

      Justin Duchserererer or Zach Duke?

      • Nady Nation

        Duchscherer (see below).

    • Mike Pop

      We can only speculate cause we don’t have inside men or “sources” but I would not think much at all. Dude has been injured, Cash can’t give up anything that great for him.

      But, can the Yanks afford it? If they can’t take on 650k for Bannister, can they take on the money left for Duke?

      • whozat

        There’s can’t and then there’s don’t want to.

        • Mike Pop

          True.

    • http://farm1.static.flickr.com/153/413671602_daded72a81_m.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

      Zach Duke or The Duke (Duchscherer)? (We need to start being more careful to identify these guys clearly, since we’re using the same name for both of them.)

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Let’s just call Duchscherer “Dookie” to make it easier.

        On second thought…

      • Nady Nation

        My bad – meant Duchscherer. Clearly forgot there were 2 Dukes (either truly named or nicknamed) being tied to Yanks rumors.

        • Rick in Boston

          Let’s go with Duke for the Pirates pitcher, or Duch for the A’s pitcher (it’s a shortening of the name, so it works).

          • http://twitter.com/themanchine Bruno

            If you’re in Boston, you get no vote! (j/k)

            But I like The Duke and Duke as a distinction.

            • Rick in Boston

              Hey, I’m just here trying to cut down on the percentage of Bostonians who commit bestiality.

              • http://farm1.static.flickr.com/153/413671602_daded72a81_m.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                Very nice, I LOL’d.

        • http://farm1.static.flickr.com/153/413671602_daded72a81_m.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

          I hear you. It’s just getting confusing with both of these guys getting discussed in the same thread.

  • Rob H.

    MLBTR:
    “12:26pm: A Jayson Stark source says the asking price for Gonzalez is “astronomical, three times the asking price on Halladay.”

    Well that is good to hear if that is indeed true. I’d be much more worried if the Sox could get Gonzalez than I am if they are able to get V-Mart.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      As it should be. Gonzo is a middle of the order bat on the RIGHT side of 30. He’s more valuable than Halladay, both short term and long term.

      And thus, http://twitter.com/mlbtraderum.....2954002997

      • http://twitter.com/themanchine Bruno

        Plus he’s got a cheap contract.

    • Reggie C.

      I don’t get why Theo wants to hold onto Lars Anderson. With Adrian Gonzalez, the 1B spot is covered for the next 6/7 years easy.

      • Johan Iz My Brohan

        Lars Anderson is the next coming of Albert Pujols, duh!

        I hope they get VMart as well, their farm takes a minor hit and its not for a super special player.

        • Mike Pop

          I’d rather them stay exactly where they are and not pick up any of Halladay, V-Mart, or Gonzalez.

          If they make a minor move, let them, but I’d like to see them sit tight.

          • Johan Iz My Brohan

            The way I see it, I don’t believe VMart would make any major impacts. Their offense would still be worse than ours.

        • Klemy

          USA Today’s Bob Nightengale via Twitter: the Red Sox are about to acquire Victor Martinez from the Indians.

          • http://www.retire21.org Mike R. – Retire 21

            Does Theo know that V-Mart isn’t white?

            • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

              …Which is why I thought the Boston whitewash thing was a load of crap.

        • JMK

          Minor hit? What would be a major hit?

  • VO

    Is MLBTR having difficulty loading for anyone else?

  • Johan Iz My Brohan

    USA Today’s Bob Nightengale via Twitter: the Red Sox are about to acquire Victor Martinez from the Indians.

    • Johan Iz My Brohan

      Now to see who the give up, better be Buccholz and more.

  • V

    Lol, Stark says the Mariners wanted MIGUEL Montero from the Yankees.

    You’d think these guys could get the fuggin’ names right, no?

    • Klemy

      We should’ve just changed Kei Igawa’s name and sent him as Miguel.

  • VO
    • Raf

      MLBTR is blocked at my job. who are the Soxs sending to the Indians?

      • Mike Pop

        No say yet.

  • Dela G

    damn it, the sox are about to acquire vmart

  • Johan Iz My Brohan

    If/when this becomes official, VMart becomes their catcher of the future, and then Varitek goes, which means NO MO’ NO HITTAHS!

  • mustang

    does anyone know what the sox give up?

    Pitching please i hope

  • V

    Bob Nightengale: “Mariners listened hard but rejected a deal from Red Sox for ace Felix Hernandez”

    • Raf

      i cant see the Mariners seriously listening or a team willing to deal enough to get him. you could gut a farm system for King Felix.

    • Mike bk

      that would have been a game changer.

  • Bo

    How many 1b DH types will the Sox stockpile?

    How does this make them better? Is Youk going to play SS now???

    • jsbrendog

      3b where he originally playe di believe

      • Bo

        A lil sarcasm there since they already moved Lowell out when LaRoche was added.

        And the pos they truly need an upgrade is SS.

        Nick Green should not be playing everyday.

        • jsbrendog

          agreed. but its good for us! two throwing errors in the 9th the other day

  • jsbrendog

    meh, sox get victor martinez. yawn.

  • Bo

    The only player that would have made me nervous if the Sox got him was Halladay. Another 1b-DH type doesn’t scare me. And Martinez hasnt exactly been good lately. Who sits for them now? ortiz? Lowell? I cant see them sitting Varitek since the pitchers love him.

    • wtf

      Agreed. If they got Halladay I would be throwing up profusely right now. THere was no way the yankees were going to get V-Mart.

  • http://farm1.static.flickr.com/153/413671602_daded72a81_m.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

    I can’t wait to see Gardner/Jeter/Damon et al run wild all over Victor Martinez. Every single’s now a triple. Good times.

    • jsbrendog

      varitek/vmart……worst catching tandem at throwing out baserunners?

      • http://farm1.static.flickr.com/153/413671602_daded72a81_m.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

        Ha, yeah, it’s pretty atrocious.

  • wtf

    V-Mart to the Sox means nothing to yankees, except for the fact that boston upgraded. V-Mart to the yankees makes no sense because there is no fit for him.

    • Bo

      But wheres the upgrade? At Catcher? I cant see them benching Varitek. The pitchers would revolt. At DH for Big Juicy?

      • wtf

        offensively they upgraded at both first and catcher.

      • http://www.retire21.org Mike R. – Retire 21

        Upgrade at 1B over Adam LaRoche.

  • Dexception32

    This basically means Mikey Lowell, who happens to be their hottest hitter right now finds the bench….

  • http://farm1.static.flickr.com/153/413671602_daded72a81_m.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

    Just a side-note… But let’s not get too excited about Victor Martinez being the Sox’ only acquisition just yet. Day ain’t over yet, and there have been reports all week that they’ve been working on more than one acquisition.

    • jsbrendog

      balloon deflation complete.

      • http://farm1.static.flickr.com/153/413671602_daded72a81_m.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

        Ha, yeah, sorry. Remember last year when Manny was traded right at (and, really, after) the deadline? For all we know the Sox are about to go nuclear and bring in another piece, whether it be Halladay or someone we haven’t been discussing.

        So let’s let the day play out before we start thinking we know the results.

  • jsbrendog

    if the diamondbacks/rangers wouldnt trade one of their catchers for anything less than bucholz you have to think that’s a part of this no?

  • Paul O’neill

    anyone but halladay.

  • Brendan

    Bronson Arroyo just admitted to doing steroids in 2003 with the Red Sox…

    • Jack

      Link?

    • http://farm1.static.flickr.com/153/413671602_daded72a81_m.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

      It was andro and amphetamines, and it’s probably not relevant in a trade deadline thread.

      • Mike bk

        well in some sense it is if the yanks were actually considering him as was rumored a couple days ago.

        • Klemy

          STRETCHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

  • Jack

    From MLBTR’s comment section:

    “Heres the likely potential trade:

    V-Mart and LaPorta to Boston

    Buchholz, Bowden, Bard, Anderson to Cleveland”

    I found this quite humorous.

    • http://www.retire21.org Mike R. – Retire 21

      That sounds like a Pablano comment. I don’t frequent the comments much, but his always seem to catch the eye.

      • Bo

        He forgot Westmoreland and Kelly

  • Dexception32

    Two Things, One picking up Tex looks even better now. Red Sox scrambling for a bat, giving up prospects. Two, they have to get rid of Laroche no?

  • mustang

    if they gave up Clay Buchholz for V_mart

    I’m so ok with that

  • Paul O’neill

    i have a feeling they didnt

  • Paul O’neill

    yankees need to add some pitching depth

    • mustang

      Yes but what’s out there besides Doc?

      nothing that I would give good kids for.

  • Paul O’neill

    how about another bullpen arm

  • mustang

    “Victor Martinez from the Indians. Ed Price of AOL Fanhouse, trying to confirm, says it “looks good.” FOX Sports agrees, and notes a lack of a third team involved. They also believe this kills the Adrian Gonzalez talks.”

    just asking which would of been better Martinez or Gonzalez ?

    I think Gonzalez.

    • Zack

      depends on cost. gonzalez is obviously younger, cheaper and better. but would have cost buchholz, anderson, kelly/bard or more

  • Fat Francesa

    Even Matsui can steal bases of V-Mart.

    • mustang

      Worst with Varitek

  • Paul O’neill

    as long as the sox dont get pitching. Their rotation is in shambles after beckett and lester.

  • Mike bk

    1:27pm: FOX now says Clay Buchholz and Daniel Bard are not in this deal.

    What is Schapiro doing?

    • mustang

      You beat me to it.
      What the fuck

      • KW

        Masterson and Hagadone…yikes. Bad deal for the tribe

  • charlespoet

    Buchholz and Bard not in the deal

  • charlespoet

    Sorry, not appropriate for this thread but Red Sox misery is like watching the GOP come up with new ideas, pure comedy.

    “David Ortiz lied to you. It seems safe to say that his entire Red Sox career is a lie. And those life-changing Red Sox championships of 2004 and 2007? Are they forever tainted? You bet.” — Dan Shaughnessy, Boston Globe

    • http://www.retire21.org Mike R. – Retire 21

      IETC

    • mustang

      “like watching the GOP come up with new ideas, pure comedy.”

      I love the line. LOL

    • Dela G

      hahaha nice

      • Bo

        The Democrats are full of ideas? Tax and Spend?

        • Mike bk

          cause the republicans didnt spend. 1.3 trillion dollar budget deficit this year was INHERITED. 5.5 trillion to 11 trillion in the bush years for the national debt. and lets not talk about yearly deficits for the rest of the time when they wouldnt count the cost of the wars.

          • Bo

            So the idea in how to ignite the econ and solve it is….tax n spend. Standard Dem idea.

            • http://www.retire21.org Mike R. – Retire 21

              You are doing just what your buddies on capital hill do. Criticize ideas and bring nothing to the table. Congratulations on your stellar retort.

    • charlespoet

      Easy guys. Just a comment not a point of discussion.

  • http://www.retire21.org Mike R. – Retire 21

    Hagadone and Masterson? I don’t know.

  • Mike bk

    1:35pm: MLB.com’s Jonathan Mayo says (via Twitter) pitchers Nick Hagadone and Justin Masterson are in the deal. Gut reaction: nice haul.

    • Jose

      Is Masterson really that great? The Red Sox typically have been using him when they are already losing. Oh wait, Peter Gammons is telling me that he is good enough to be a closer in the National League.

      • Mike bk

        and that would mean what, peter? last i checked cleveland was in the AL. lol.

        • Jose

          Just for the record, I was joking about the Gammons comment.

      • http://www.retire21.org Mike R. – Retire 21

        Masterson would be a starter if it weren’t for the unmatchable pitching depth of the Sawx.

  • Mike bk

    1:35pm: MLB.com’s Jonathan Mayo says (via Twitter) pitchers Nick Hagadone and Justin Masterson are in the deal. Gut reaction: nice haul. Mayo also says the two clubs are looking at additional names to add for Cleveland.

    I would say so.

  • Bo

    Masterson is a bullpen arm but no secondary pitches.

    • Zack

      and lefties are hitting over .300 against him

  • Dexception32

    Masterson is the savior for their bullpen, anytime starters are in trouble he puts out fires. He’s good. And its a tough loss for them this year.

    • Bo

      Wonder if Cle makes him their closer.

      • Zack

        arent they paying WOod 10m/year to do that?

  • Mike bk

    1:47pm: ESPN’s Jayson Stark says the price for Bannister is similar to that of Jarrod Washburn – “big league-ready starter, pitching prospect with upside.” He says the Yanks maintain mild interest.

    • Bo

      Ambriox Burgos????

  • http://www.retire21.org Mike R. – Retire 21

    What are the boards thoughts on the possibility of acquiring Bannister from the Royals?

    • Mike bk

      i like it because he is 28 has a couple years of team control left and can fill the 5 spot for wang next year. also 50% gb is great.

      • Zack

        serious question- why did he suck so bad last year?

        • Mike bk

          cause he thought he needed to use his fastball more to get more misses. he changed this year and has been using a cutter more and getting more ground balls.

          • Salty Buggah

            yep, and I heard he’s using his pitch f/x data to help him pitch better and he found out the stuff you said.

    • Bo

      Bannister would certainly add to the depth of the starting pitching. We’d be able to give Joba breaks to prolong his starting which is good since the other option is the Key Man.

      What Cashman will give up? Knowing his MO, not much.

  • mustang

    The tribe gives V-Mart to the Sox for Justin Masterson and Nick Hagadone.

    And ask the Yanks for hughes or joba for Lee

    That’s fair.

    • Mike bk

      dude get off it. the yanks never inquired on V-Mart.

      • Mike bk

        and i dont remember them really being in on lee. the places that said joba or hughes were the halladay rumors and seattle but both were reported by heyman so it was probably just made up.

    • Bo

      Well to be fair one is a Cy Young winning left handed starter. the other is a DH who can occasionally catch.

  • Mike bk

    1:55pm: Rosenthal on MLB Network: the Dodgers are making a run at Gonzalez and Bell; could send James Loney to San Diego in such a deal.

    SD had better get Kershaw to give up Gonzo in the division.

    • Zack

      didnt they refuse to give up PEavy and his contract to LA?

    • Bo

      What do they need with Bell? They just added Sherril.

      • Mike bk

        not sure, especially when bell’s price is so inflated right now. im sure there are cheaper options if they want more pen work.

        they didnt give up any of their best prospects for sherill so they still have “some” chips, but not if SD supposedly asked for maybin and miller for bell.

      • Zack

        because only 2 of their starters (Billingsly/Wolf) average over 6 IP/S, they always need 3+ IP from their pen
        Sherril-Bell-Broxton is pretty sick

  • C Bleak

    What would be the best way of measuring one player vs the other using today’s stats. For example Robinson Cano vs. David Wright this year?

    • http://www.retire21.org Mike R. – Retire 21

      VORP is the stat I see used most often.

      • C Bleak

        How is that calculated?

      • Salty Buggah

        yep, that and WAR too, right?

        • Bo

          Common sense.

          • C Bleak

            Where can I find these listed?

            • Salty Buggah

              WAR on fangraphs.com

  • handtius

    we just got jerry Hairston Jr.?

    • http://www.retire21.org Mike R. – Retire 21

      That was unexpected.

      • Mike bk

        back up cf while gardy is out and then dump ransom when gardy is back

        • http://www.retire21.org Mike R. – Retire 21

          It makes sense, I just wasn’t expecting it.

          • Salty Buggah

            Hey, if Hairston can hit like he did last year in the short time he is here, I will be VERY happy. 127 OPS+

            • Mike bk

              all he has to do is out hit ransom.

              • Salty Buggah

                and he plays much better defense. Kinda below average at 3B and SS but above average at 2b and all OF positions in his career (bad in CF this year in 7 games so way too small of a sample)

    • charlespoet

      does that mean Hinske gets DFA or less playing time than he has now.

      • Mike bk

        no ransom does when gardy is back

  • Reggie C.

    If this Laroche for Kotchman trade is true then Theo might have an ace up his sleeve.

    • Salty Buggah

      Yea, Theo getting lucky today.

  • http://www.retire21.org Mike R. – Retire 21

    Harold Reynolds…is…an idiot.

    • Salty Buggah

      what he say?

      • http://www.retire21.org Mike R. – Retire 21

        He thinks the Sox acquired Kotchman as a piece in a package for Adrian Gonzalez. WTF!?

        • Salty Buggah

          WOW Ok then

  • Dexception32

    I think the Red Sox thus far have just shot themselves in the foot. Chemistry wise these trades are nightmarish. Varitek is gonna be pissed, Lowell is gonna be pissed, youkilis is gonna say wtf, no idea how loyal pitchers are to Varitek, but Schilling worships the guy and says everyone else does likewise. Masterson was a big time piece of their bullpen, and Victor or Kotchman are not additional pieces they are replacment pieces for which offensively they get really only a slight upgrade over Ortiz and Lowell….

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