Jul
29

Wednesday trade deadline open thread spillover

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Lee to the Phils, Snell to the M’s, and hell, even Balentin to the Reds. We’ll be closing the comments to the first thread in a few, so make sure to get in your digs.

Categories : Open Thread

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  1. Salty Buggah says:

    Is it wrong to be happy by reading this?

    GrEEn, Papelbon Combine for Loss | Oakland 9, Chokeland 8
    The Theo Epstein Patchwork Plan at Shortstop Ain’t Working Again
    Nothing Gained: The Jury Is Still Out on Mystery Man Clay Buchholz
    OC Goes 3-for-5 with No Errors… Why Can’t We Get Shortstops Like That?
    Even Nomah Goes 2-for-6, and No Errors at DH
    Lone Bright Spot: J.D. Drew May Soon Earn His Salary
    Can Manny Delcarmen Be Part of the Halladay Package?
    Bard Would Have Closed It. No Question. No Doubt About It.
    Papelbon Was Busy Thinking About His Weekly Media Gig
    This Just In: Saito Blames the Red Sox Throwing Program for the Loss, Okajima, Too
    The Oakland AAA’s Had 21 Hits vs. Boston Pitching. Unacceptable.
    Rice Was Just a Side Dish Last Night

    From Bostondirtbags

  2. V says:

    “• But if Boston decides it must have Roy Halladay, the Yankees will have to at least get in the mix somehow. I personally would do Joba and Jesus Montero for him, but that’s just me.”

    Wow, PeteAbe is off his rocker. Thank goodness he’s a beat writer, and not a GM.

    I know that trade would make his job writing articles easier for the next few weeks, but damn, that’s way too much to give up.

    • V says:

      Not to mention, but if the idea is to WIN NOW AT ALL COSTS, I’d rather deal the reliever than the starter (Hughes instead of Joba).

      • Chris says:

        They’re both starters next year, and Hughes could move to the rotation for the rest of the season and playoffs while Joba would have to miss some of that time. I don’t know that I have a preference between which one I’d prefer to trade.

        As for Pete’s original comment, that’s certainly too much. The Yankees would need to get involved. Not necessarily get Halladay, but at least prevent the Red Sox from getting a Santana-to-the-Mets kind of deal.

      • Joseph M says:

        I think Hughes is the more stable of the two so I’d vote for Joba and Montero if needed Jackson.

    • Chip says:

      He’s in the media, it’s his job to make news. Defending the Yankees doesn’t get nearly as many hits as demanding a trade.

  3. Balentien too? TRADER JACK’S GOING ALL IN, BABY!

    I bet he trades for Scott Rolen next. Watch. In for a penny, in for a pound.

  4. From the last thread since it didn’t get a chance to be discussed:

    So, since J-Dukes is apparently available for a “modest” prospect, what exactly does that mean? Who would it take to get him? Starter or reliever? He’d have to start at this point, right? But are we confident in him holding up enough? There is probably room enough to add a starter but there’s also a starter to be added w/o giving away anything, and I think that’s a course that should be taken rather than looking instantly for outside help.

  5. Johan Iz My Brohan says:

    MLBTR: Sean McAdam of the Boston Herald reports that the Red Sox are focused on their talks with the Blue Jays. However, Ryan Westmoreland and Casey Kelly are “off-limits” and the Red Sox want to keep Daniel Bard.

  6. Russell NY says:

    Hughes will be signing autographs at a local mall next month. Why would they trade him if he is scheduled to appear at our mall. Sheesh!

  7. Willy Wonka says:

    The good thing about our situation is we can always add a reliever and put Hughes back in the rotation and move Mitre as a long man/piggy back on Joba’s innings limitations.

  8. Johan Iz My Brohan says:

    SI.com’s Jon Heyman says the Giants are in serious talks for Sanchez. The teams are discussing John Bowker, Kevin Frandsen and Jesus Guzman.

    If I was a pirates fan I walk the plank right now…

    • Hmm, shouldn’t they be looking to add a power bat?

    • Zach says:

      why? they’re trading overpaid guys who have 1 or 2 years left on their contract. they’re finally stocking their farm system

      • Agreed. The Pirates knew they were gonna suck this year. They gave away a bunch of guys who aren’t special and probably don’t amount to much for a good haul of younger talent.

        Trust me, a few years from now, nobody in Pittsburgh will be pining for the days of Eric Hinske, Nyjer Morgan, Freddy Sanchez, Adam LaRoche, and Nate McLouth. That team is taking a baby step forward.

        • Zach says:

          exactly. they were going to lose 90 games with those guys anyways. i guess you could make the argument of move McLouth to a corner OF and hold on to him but they got a good haul

          • Ivan says:

            You make trades for 2 reasons:

            1. To get better now and thus put you on top for a championship.

            2. To get better long term with younger and cheaper players.

          • jsbrendog says:

            we lost 90 games with you. we can lose 90 games without you/

        • Ivan says:

          Especially when 3 years from now when The Bronx’s own Pedro Alvarez is hitting 35+ HR a year, then those shitty players really become an after thought.

          • Alvarez, McCutchen, Milledge, Gorkys, Doumit, Diaz, Jaramillo, Clement, Cedeño, LaRoche, Pearce, Tabata, Tony Sanchez, and Miguel Angel Saño (probably)

            +

            Duke, Maholm, Ohlendorf, Gorzelanny, Locke, Morton, McCutchen, Morris

            There’s the beginnings of a team there. They’re still way too many pitchers short, but another couple drafts and making smart decisions in free agency… there’s green shoots.

        • Chris says:

          You mean they shouldn’t trade Rajai Davis for Matt Morris?

        • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals says:

          Agreed. The Pirates knew they were gonna suck. this year. They gave away a bunch of guys who aren’t special and probably don’t amount to much for a good haul of younger talent.

    • Chip says:

      They pretty much have to do this though. Hopefully they can get lucky with a few of these prospects and contend in a few years.

  9. gio says:

    Look for Cash to add a bat and a starter/reliever in the same deal, just as he did last year with Nady/Marte. Duchsherer and Kennedy to take Ransom’s spot for a duo of modest ‘spects, perhaps?

  10. Salty Buggah says:

    Hehe, since 2006, the average Pedroia homer traveled just 369.7 feet. This is the shortest average distance of any player with at least 30 homers in that span. And he has never hit one to center field or right field…NEVER!

    That’s why he’s having a power outage and why Fenway is the only reason he’s hitting HRs. He only averages 373.7 feet per homer away from Boston.

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  12. Ivan says:

    So if Halladay isn’t traded, this could be a critical blow for JP for the simple fact that Halladay’s Value decreases from this point foward once the trading deadline comes and goes.

    • Raf says:

      it would be a bigger blow if he trades him for less talent just to cash in on his value.

    • Chip says:

      Naw, he’ll still have plenty of value come this offseason. The only way this really kills him is if Halladay demands a trade and takes all the leverage away from JP

      • Mikebk says:

        there is no difference if he demands it or not at this point. with one year left on the deal come the offseason his value is lower than it is right now when you have a shot at two titles not one.

  13. Chip says:

    I’ll say the Sox pick up V-Mart and the Yankees get either Scott Downs or Duchscherer

    • Salty Buggah says:

      I hope we get Duchscherer anyway.

      • Johan Iz My Brohan says:

        He is my target as well.

      • Chip says:

        I’d take both. A bullpen of Mo, Downs, Duchscherer, Coke, Bruney, Melancon, and Ace would be just sick. Also, it’d allow either Duchscherer or Hughes (or Ace I suppose but he apparently has some shoulder fatigue which doesn’t help his case) to go to the rotation.

  14. Sam says:

    Any chance the Orioles deal George Sherrill within the division? And what would it probably take from the Yankees to get him?

  15. bonestock94 says:

    I wonder if Sanchez is upset that his girlfriend got traded to the Mariners.

  16. JMan says:

    J.P. should demand a package of Buccholz, Lars, Bowden, a high ceiling prospect, and a major-league ready player. Probably best package he could get now. Dodgers won’t give up Billingsley/Kershaw, Yanks wont give up Hughes/Joba, Brew Crew wont give up Gamel/Escobar. But the Sox seem focused on getting V-Mart who now seems available. But the Yanks should be fine. They do need to pick up another starter a la Washburn. The M’s will ask for a lot, but Washburn is in his walk year and will only be Type B, so I wouldn’t give up much more than McAlister. Zach Duke, Garland, Doug Davis, and many others are still available. J-Dukes is an option coming out of rehab, but is a risk.

  17. Johan Iz My Brohan says:

    From Buster Olney’s Twitter:

    Reports: Victor Martinez will be traded by the deadline. Red Sox most likely destination.
    2 minutes ago from web

    The Red Sox are out of the Halladay sweepstakes. Lester is untouchable.
    8 minutes ago from web

    Red Sox deal for Halladay is unlikely, to focus attention on trading for Victor Martinez.
    about 1 hour ago from web

  18. JMan says:

    J.P. really missed his oppurtunity at getting a decent package. Think Happ, Taylor, Marson, and Carrasco could have been had.

    • Zach says:

      or the Dodgers become worried because they were going after Lee so now they offer a better deal for Doc. we’ll see aug 1st

  19. Raf says:

    has there been any word with Ben Sheets coming back from his injury? didnt the Rangers have a foot in the door in regards to signing him

  20. K.B.D. says:

    Here’s my plan to fix the rotation: Melky to the pen, Hughes to the rotation, Jeter to center, Pena to SS.

    Problem solved. Now to solve all the others I’ve created…

  21. McCaff says:

    The headline on ESPN.com is ” Phillies come up Aces.”…. ha, sorry

  22. Tom Zig says:

    So the only possible move I can see the Sox making is for Victor Martinez. Does a trade like that make them that much better?

  23. Joe R says:

    UPDATE, 5:22 p.m.: Yankees obtained RHP Jason Hirsch from Colorado for a PTBNL. He was sent to AAA. – PeteAbe

  24. The Artist says:

    I guess we should pray for the Sox to get Victor Martinez. If they do, they’re almost definitely out of the Halladay bidding with the package he’d command.

    That would leave . . . . lil’ old Cash as the only bidder?

    • Tom Zig says:

      So Buchholz, plus Bowden the untouchable, add in penny, saito, and random player with a really Caucasian name gets it done?

      • The Artist says:

        I wasn’t thinking Bucholtz would be moved for V-Mart, just that whatever the package it would be a 3-4 player deal of good prospects, and to do ANOTHER 3-4 players deal for Halladay would either leave their system barren or not be enough to satisfy JP.

        Despite what Peter Gammons and Mike Francesa tell you, nobody has 8 great MLB ready prospects in their system.

    • Mike Pop says:

      Forgetting the Dodgers.

      • The Artist says:

        Nope. JP seems to only like the guys on their MLB roster, and Billingsley and Kershaw are going nowhere.

        • Mike Pop says:

          Still doesn’t make me want to give up Hughes, Joba, or Montero in a deal for him.

          Unless it was Montero as the only legit prospect that was involved.

          • Mikebk says:

            i dont see Halladay going anywhere at this point. JP is not going to want to admit defeat that way. he should still sell the Rolen’s and Downs of the world.

          • The Artist says:

            I agree, and I’d rather do quantity over quality myself. But without any high end return, JP might decide to pass for now and just deal him in the off season.

            I still think the best fit (which also gets his price down) is to figure out how to get Rios in the deal. Then it can be a 6-2 deal and maybe we keep Montero and everyone (meaningful) on our MLB roster. Anyone else, I deal no problem.

      • Mikebk says:

        they dont have the farm to do the move all their best of the last couple years are up. elbert and change for sherill is the most likely move for them.

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  26. Mikebk says:

    Very Interesting POTENTIALLY:
    “4:39pm: Bill Shaikin and Mike DiGiovanna of the LA Times report that the Dodgers have discussed softening their stance on Chad Billingsley and would consider making him available in a trade, but they’re still not expected to do so.”

    If they make Billingsley available JP has to take that and run away before the dodgers wake up.

  27. Mikebk says:

    Why in the world would the Giants give up Tim Alderson for Freddy Sanchez?

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