Yanks look flat in 6-2 loss to Tampa

Charleston almost no-hit again
A look at trade deadlines past: 2005

Well, there’s really not much you can say after a game like that. For a team that’s looked as good as the Yankees have of late, they played a rather lethargic brand of baseball tonight. It was their ugliest game of the second half, without question. There were bad throws, bad bounces, bad baserunning, bad at-bats, bad everything really. About the only positive you can take from this game is that Mark Melancon got some work in, needing only 20 pitches to cruise through 2.1 uneventful frames. Other than that, eek.

Anytime CC Sabathia takes the mound the Yankees have a chance to win, but he just didn’t do the job tonight. He was behind hitters all night (the strikezone was rather tight, but both teams were victimized, so it’s not an excuse) and when he did throw strikes, they weren’t quality strikes. Bad defense on the left side of the infield and out in right field obviously contributed to the CC subpar outing. Sabathia made six starts in the month of July, allowing 57 baserunners and 21 runs in 39 IP. The big guy’s June swoon appears to have gotten pushed back a month this year. Oh, and here’s a stat you probably don’t want to hear: Sabathia is 1-8 against teams over .500 this year. Yikes.

Offensively, about the only guys worth mentioning are the four-five hitters. Alex Rodriguez went 2 for 4 with a stolen base and a run scored, also having a likely extra base hit taken away by the great Carl Crawford in the 4th inning. Hideki Matsui drove in both Yankee runs on the night, but was caught venturing too far off first following his fourth inning single. Otherwise, I only remember two other hard hit balls: Jorge Posada‘s double, and that line drive to center that Bossman Junior snagged over his shoulder. Who hit it? I honestly can’t remember.

But give props, Scott Kazmir was tremendous tonight. Not known for his ability to pitch deep into games, Kaz pounded the zone (113 pitches, 72 strikes) and pitched into the eighth inning for the first time since June 6th of last season. He did a helluva job tonight.

At the end of the day, the Yankees are still two and a half games up in the division because the A’s are awesome with the faster tempo’d Joba Chamberlain taking the mound with a chance at a series win against a division rival on the road tomorrow. He’ll be opposed by Matt Garza, so we’ve got ourselves a nice little matchup of young fireballers.

Chien-Ming Wang Update: As you’ve probably heard by now, Wang is going to have season ending shoulder surgery tomorrow. You can read more about it and discuss it in this thread. Oh, and Al Aceves’ shoulder is giving him trouble too. When it rains, it pours, huh?

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Charleston almost no-hit again
A look at trade deadlines past: 2005
  • Mike bk

    Ace having arm issues too…cue 400 trade for starter and reliever comments.

    • Jersey

      CC isn’t a real ace.

      /retarded

  • JGS

    They just mailed it in tonight. Nice to finally see Melancon though. Whatever, just put this in the 1/3 of the season that you are guaranteed to lose and go out and beat them tomorrow.

    On the other hand, I watched the Sox game starting in the 8th. I don’t think I’ve ever been that happy following a game where the Yankees looked so awful

    • Charlie

      its about time papelshmere blew a save. every highlight i see some scrub strikes out against him with the bases loaded

      • JGS

        his WHIP this year is 1.37. That’s insanely high for an elite closer

        • Esteban

          “elite”

        • http://www.retire21.org Mike R. – Retire 21

          That just show how good he is! He can put people on base and still dominate. You just a ignorant hater! :)

          • Jack

            Yeah, that’s what it is. He just wants to give himself a challange. He’s a gritty one, that Papelbon.

  • Charlie

    i know we can’t expect the CC that was on the Brewers, but where is that shutdown, K machine horse that he’s supposed to be. CC’s been good this year, but I and probably most of you expected a little better. Hopefully he’ll be great for the stretch run

  • ShuutoHeat

    1) Watch your starter struggle, watch your bats struggle.
    2) Watch your offense kill the other team, pitch well only to blow it up late in extra innings.

    I’ll rather go with (1).
    Thanks Bossux and Papelbon for making me feel better!

  • Charlie

    i hope melancon and drob get more of a chance because i think both of them can fill the most important role of a game, and pitch the Holy Eighth Inning. The better they pitch, the more hope I will have that Hughes will be put in the rotation.

  • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime

    CC’s next two scheduled starts barring injury and rain:

    Vs. Buerhle at Chicago

    Vs. Boston.

    • Salty Buggah

      Well, hopefully he can change his trend of losing against good teams.

    • Nady Nation

      2-0

      • Bo

        Isn’t that why hes here? To beat teams and match up with starters like that?

        • Nady Nation

          Yes. Which is why he’ll win both those starts.

  • Jimmy McNulty

    Is Boston getting Halladay?

    • Charlie

      i doubt it, although supposively they’re being more agressive in pursuing him. i think he stays in toronto

      • JobaWockeeZ

        I doubt it too. Hell John Henry said in his Twitter account that he likes the prospects they will have to give up and said not to expect them making major moves. Its funny the MSM loves Bostons depth but they dont mention a thing that the depgh aint working well if they aree “agressive” in getting Doc.

      • http://www.retire21.org Mike R. – Retire 21
        • Charlie

          supposedly i mean

  • Charlie

    good work today, Mr. Axisa. Game thread, wang update, DOTF, and the game story. thats a lotta work

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Thanks. Ben’s in Israel and Joe went to the Met game tonight, someone had to pick up the slack.

      • Jack

        Joe went to the Met game tonight

        On purpose?

        • Dela G

          omar paid him to show up

          • Charlie

            hey, omar’s an idiot, but they’ve won 4 in a row

            • Jack

              Baseball’s a funny game, isn’t it?

              • Chris

                You just can’t predict baseball!

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            “omar paid him to offered him a player development job so he showed up”

            Fixed.

        • http://deleted RollingWave

          Nah, he just have the intention to replace the Met’s F.O personal

          /Omar

      • Salty Buggah

        Damn, and then there is the MLBTR shift right?

        • Jack

          I no machine, I just Mike.

          • http://www.retire21.org Mike R. – Retire 21

            IETC

      • Jersey

        Was Joe just trying to lobby for a job?

        • Bo

          I wonder if the 9th time someone cracks that if it will be comical.

          • V

            About as comical as…

            Yo Mama!

            • Klemy

              Um, sir, that is always comical in my book.

              • V

                Yo Mama is comical!

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            So in addition to basically never thinking anything is good enough, you also never think anything is funny.

            I bet you’re an absolute peach to be around in person. The life of the party.

  • Dela G

    man the news doesn’t get any better, but i really do think the yanks should make a run at the duker from the A’s. They really have a good chance if all it takes is a “moderate prospect”

    i can pull a moderate prospect out of my behind, so the yanks should have no problem

    and thank god for the A’s

    • JobaWockeeZ

      Thank Mo for the Pirates as well. But Id like to see if Washborn is cheap. Sure the M’s outfield is godly but hes better than Arroyo.

    • ChrisS

      So, I want to get this right, with one starter on the shelf for the next year or more with surgery, another flex guy from the pen with shoulder problems, and the #3 starter on a pitch/innings limit this season, the Yankees should go after a 32 year old former reliever turned starter for exactly one season coming off of elbow and back problems who missed 90% of 2007 and, thus far, all of 2009?

      Regardless of how good Duchscherer could be, he’s no lock to even pitch in the ML this season. Going after a pitcher like that is what the Yankees should do when they have 5 healthy starters and a bunch of arms in the ‘pen.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Duchscherer has completed his rehab program, is pain-free, and just threw a couple of perfect innings in A+ ball in Stockton three days ago. He’ll probably be ready to join a big league rotation in 2-3 weeks tops.

        http://stockton.ports.milb.com.....38;t=g_box

        • ChrisS

          Well, hot damn!

          You know, Wang was injury free a month or so ago. So was Nady who was on a throwing program.

          If it’s a prospect any better than Grant Duff, pass.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Regardless of how good Duchscherer could be, he’s no lock to even pitch in the ML this season. Going after a pitcher like that is what the Yankees should do when they have 5 healthy starters and a bunch of arms in the ‘pen.

        Which is probably why we’re going to hedge our bets with Ian Snell also.

        Snell and Duke are both good buy-low depth options.

        • ChrisS

          And meanwhile, the best rotation option remains the 8th inning guy.

          • Klemy

            Yeah. The guy that our FO insists won’t be the answer this season. /grumble

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            And meanwhile, the best rotation option remains the 8th inning guy.

            You: a preacher
            Me: the choir

            • Jack

              This front office is an embarressment.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                Agreed. They coulda had Arroyo but chickened out. What a bunch of morons.

                Sincerely,
                Mike Francesa

  • NF

    I hate to sound like a Negative Nancy/reactionary douche, but can we start worrying about CC yet?

    CC has certainly been serviceable, but honestly with the money we’re paying him, I want more than serviceable #2-3 starter stuff. I wasn’t expecting Brewers CC at all, but look at his stats. Virtually all of his good stats (i.e. K/9, K/BB) are the lowest they’ve been in years, and likewise the bad stats (BB/9) are the highest they’ve been in years. AJ’s gotten really lucky with LOB lately, but results are results and he is delivering the goods. CC looks like a middle of the pack guy, not the Ace of the New York Yankees(c), and when AJ comes back down to earth (He has an xFIP of 4.72), I think it may get ugly.

    What doesn’t help stress is the prospect of Jarrod Washburn: Yankee. His peripherals are the same as always, and when he loses that elite defense and he goes to NYS, it’s going to be a bloodbath.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      No, it’s too early to worry about CC. He’s in the middle of a bad stretch, but it’s not the end of the world. Andy and Joba went through the same thing recently, and they came out of it fine. Just two starts ago he shutdown a first place team.

      They’re definitely going to add an arm, just not sure who or whether it’ll be a starter or reliever.

    • Jack
    • Frank

      CC is 0-4 this season vs. the RS, TB and LAA. He’s getting big bucks to beat those teams and just hasn’t done the job. Let’s be realistic. He’s not the big game pitcher everyone thinks he is. His playoff record is sub-500, as his his career record vs. the RS. This guy has been a disappointment. That’s just a fact.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Yup. The 4 losses he’s had in big games this year totally outweigh all the wins he’s had in big games previously. Right. Makes sense.

      • Klemy

        Half a season doesn’t fairly grade him. Wait and see what we get out of him the second half at the very least. I’m looking forward to Sunday’s start against Mr. Perfect.

  • Salty Buggah

    ESPN has no Sox news on the front page but have the Yank’s loss there. On the MLB page, the Sox blown lead loss is the 2nd to last story and just says A’s win.

    “Dice-K upsets BoSox with criticism | A’s win”

    That’s blatant bias, not that we need more evidence.

    • ranger11

      Why are they so much in the tank for the Sox? It’s not like they are such a lovable group of guys.

      • Mikebk

        at some point the better question in here has to become “why do we care?”

        • Jersey

          +1

      • JohnnyC

        ESPN is located in Connecticut AND many of the top execs are Red Sox fans. Unfortunately ESPN never heard of the corporate meme of outsourcing.

  • dkidd

    is anyone else feeling like the sox are getting halliday? the kotsay/anderson trade feels like a prelude

    • dkidd

      is anyone else innately pessimistic and paranoid?

    • http://forums.projectcovo.com/images/smilies/e6omir.gif OmgZombies!

      We got Sabbathia Tex and Burnett and the Sox didnt panic and make a stupid move. The Yankees(fans) need to learn from this.

    • ranger11

      I hope not. Sox fans and the media will be so unbearable till the end of time.

      • Jersey

        As opposed to the way they are without Halladay?

    • ranger11

      I just don’t see it happening. It just seems insane for Toronto to trade one of their greatest home-grown players to one of their division rivals. They have to trade him out of the division.

    • johnny

      I dont know about halladay but I do think that the trade for another young atheletic centerfielder makes me think that they might try and package Ellsbury as a center piece for something. The sheen has kind of wore off the kid, he still is good and could be great but he is not a sure thing…he could be the second coming of juan pierre or dave roberts. Maybe they put him together with Bowden and try and pull some offense from somewhere.

  • danny

    couldnt watch the end of the game, how was melancon? Im glad the kid finally got some work!

  • Joba or Hughes-To-the-pen

    It’s always injuries with the Yankees because they sign injury players.Joba,HUghes,WAng,Kennedy all had injury issues before or after they came to the majors.Brackman is a guy we signed with Tommy John surgery.Yet he gets a millions.

    Now were after our #1st round draft pick Slade Heathcott who had surgery on he’s knee this year.I’m all for High Risk players but can we sign healthy players.

    • K.B.D.

      Show me a pitcher without injury issues “before or after they came to the majors”. I’m begging you.

      • Mikebk

        Porcello?

      • NaOH

        Sabathia.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      This comment shows a glaring lack of perspective or understanding.

  • ranger11

    Injury players?

  • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

    Last night was the very definition of a “meh” game. Let’s hope they bounce back tonight.

    • Bo

      Should it really be a “meh” game with your “ace” on the hill? Shouldnt he be able to overcome that?

  • JeffG

    Kay always talks about the innings the Rays threw last year and that somehow affecting their arms… I hope what CC did up to this point on, especially with the way he threw down the stretch with Brewers isn’t going to have an effect. His FB still seems good though so that’s probably just me being silly.

    On the thing that bothers me more is not having Wang back. I really thought he could have been key in us going all the way this year. Our rotation seems a little light now. We can still do it but it will be a little harder now.

  • JeffG

    Also I have a question: How much will Wang get in arbitration? Will he still get a pay raise if we keep him on the team?

    If he is going to make 6mil next year you would think there is a chance he gets released.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      I’m trying to remember someone who went to an arbitration hearing following two injury washouts sandwiched around a couple of months of astronomically horrible play (like what Wang will be doing this winter). Going to a hearing with only 9 starts, a shoulder injury, and a 9.64 ERA is a recipe for a losing case.

      I’d bet they agree on a contract that’s either a straight 5M rollover with no raise or even a small paycut (like back down to the 4M of last year) well before actually going to a hearing.

      But we’re not going to just cut him. If we can afford to waste a couple of million at the end of our budget, which we can, we’ll keep him around and give him one more good shot to get healthy.

    • http://deleted RollingWave

      if the Yankees don’t none tender him, they have to pay him at least 80% of what they did this year. he made 5M this year so they have to pay him 4M.

      I’d guess that they probably have a pre-arranged agreement then just non-tender resign. a shoulder surgery now he’s highly unlikely to recover to start next year. if ever.

      • Bo

        Why would they tender him?

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Because he can still be an asset if he recovers, and we can afford the gamble.

          • V

            And maybe having faith in him and giving him some dough to recuperate buys some good will when it comes to free agency.

  • Jake H

    It was a bad game. Hopefully Joba can pick up the slack. Garza thou has been pretty good all year long. I was happy to see the Sox lose thou. That was nice.

  • Tampa Yankee

    Was at the game last night and man was it frustrating. It seemed like every dink-n-dunk fell in and anything the Yanks hit hard, was right at someone or they made a nice play on. Oh well, that’s how things go some times I guess. Other than that, Kazmir looked good (props to Maddon for letting Kaz go out for at least one batter in the 8th so he can pulled him so he can get a standing-o), I liked what I saw out of Melcanon and Melky’s 3 ABs were the most painful things to watch (hurry back Brett!).

    Quotes from the Rays fans behind me:
    “Eva Longoria definitely made Evan Longoria famous since their names are only one vowel apart.”

    With runners on 1st and 2nd for the Rays and Pena up in the 2nd: “How about a grand salami right here?!”

    There were more idiotic statements like that all night but I was way too drunk to try and remember all of them.

    And I hate fucking cowbells!

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Heh. That’s pretty funny.

  • Bo

    CC has been pretty terrible the month of July. You shouldn’t be 11-11 in your aces starts. That’s on him and he has to be better. He was brought here to beat the Rays and the Sox. He hasn’t done that.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      No, he was brought here to win Game 1 and Game 5 of a playoff series. He’s still on track to do that. Calm down.