Comments on: All considered, Yanks handling Joba well http://riveraveblues.com/2009/08/all-considered-yanks-handling-joba-well-15989/ A New York Yankees Blog Wed, 15 Feb 2012 04:14:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Game 135: Will Joba find his rhythm? | River Avenue Blues http://riveraveblues.com/2009/08/all-considered-yanks-handling-joba-well-15989/#comment-566933 Game 135: Will Joba find his rhythm? | River Avenue Blues Fri, 04 Sep 2009 22:46:18 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=15989#comment-566933 [...] The Joba Rules. If I never hear that phrase again, it will be too soon. The rules are, of course, what would govern any young pitcher in Joba’s situation. But the media has taken the Yanks handling of Joba as a personal affront, and seemingly mock these “rules” at every turn (though there are obvious exceptions). The Yankees are in the precarious position of balancing short-term needs with long-term goals. Those are not easy waters to navigate. They’re doing their best, although mistakes have been made in the past. [...] [...] The Joba Rules. If I never hear that phrase again, it will be too soon. The rules are, of course, what would govern any young pitcher in Joba’s situation. But the media has taken the Yanks handling of Joba as a personal affront, and seemingly mock these “rules” at every turn (though there are obvious exceptions). The Yankees are in the precarious position of balancing short-term needs with long-term goals. Those are not easy waters to navigate. They’re doing their best, although mistakes have been made in the past. [...]

]]> By: On criticism and Joba | River Avenue Blues http://riveraveblues.com/2009/08/all-considered-yanks-handling-joba-well-15989/#comment-559381 On criticism and Joba | River Avenue Blues Mon, 31 Aug 2009 04:01:37 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=15989#comment-559381 [...] to the latter, I’ve made my feelings known on the matter. That said, if you believe that Joba should throw as many innings as possible this year, [...] [...] to the latter, I’ve made my feelings known on the matter. That said, if you believe that Joba should throw as many innings as possible this year, [...]

]]> By: MikeD http://riveraveblues.com/2009/08/all-considered-yanks-handling-joba-well-15989/#comment-537449 MikeD Tue, 18 Aug 2009 20:48:50 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=15989#comment-537449 Well of course the Yankees brought Joba up in 2007 because of the big-club's need, not because of an innings-count issue. When they passed on trading for Eric Gagne, they said they believed the answer was in their farm system. At that same time, they moved Joba from the starting rotation to the pen in AAA with the purpose of having in help the Yankees weak pen. And, yes, this did cause a delay in Joba's development as a starter that the Yankees are now trying to correct. Having the benefit of knowing what happened to the Yankees in '07 (lost to the Indians) and '08 (missed the play-offs), if the Yankees had to do it all over again, they would have left Joba in the minors, and had him join the rotation in '08 when he would have been conditioned to step up and pitch 170 innings, and he'd be on pace for 200+ this year. I think the bouncing between the pen and the rotation also may have contributed to his August injury. Well of course the Yankees brought Joba up in 2007 because of the big-club’s need, not because of an innings-count issue. When they passed on trading for Eric Gagne, they said they believed the answer was in their farm system. At that same time, they moved Joba from the starting rotation to the pen in AAA with the purpose of having in help the Yankees weak pen. And, yes, this did cause a delay in Joba’s development as a starter that the Yankees are now trying to correct.

Having the benefit of knowing what happened to the Yankees in ’07 (lost to the Indians) and ’08 (missed the play-offs), if the Yankees had to do it all over again, they would have left Joba in the minors, and had him join the rotation in ’08 when he would have been conditioned to step up and pitch 170 innings, and he’d be on pace for 200+ this year. I think the bouncing between the pen and the rotation also may have contributed to his August injury.

]]> By: tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside http://riveraveblues.com/2009/08/all-considered-yanks-handling-joba-well-15989/#comment-537415 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside Tue, 18 Aug 2009 20:30:10 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=15989#comment-537415 You win titles by developing talent. You live in the land of false dichotomies, Bo. You win titles by developing talent.

You live in the land of false dichotomies, Bo.

]]> By: tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside http://riveraveblues.com/2009/08/all-considered-yanks-handling-joba-well-15989/#comment-537412 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside Tue, 18 Aug 2009 20:29:26 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=15989#comment-537412 Correct. He's three years younger. Correct. He’s three years younger.

]]> By: tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside http://riveraveblues.com/2009/08/all-considered-yanks-handling-joba-well-15989/#comment-537411 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside Tue, 18 Aug 2009 20:28:50 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=15989#comment-537411 Bo: 1 Strawman: 0 Bo: 1
Strawman: 0

]]> By: tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside http://riveraveblues.com/2009/08/all-considered-yanks-handling-joba-well-15989/#comment-537408 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside Tue, 18 Aug 2009 20:28:12 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=15989#comment-537408 There were plans for sudden injuries and nonperformance. Those backup plans were also suddenly injured. You can't have infinite backup plans for your backup plans. It's not realistically feasible. There were plans for sudden injuries and nonperformance. Those backup plans were also suddenly injured.

You can’t have infinite backup plans for your backup plans. It’s not realistically feasible.

]]> By: yankees09 http://riveraveblues.com/2009/08/all-considered-yanks-handling-joba-well-15989/#comment-537372 yankees09 Tue, 18 Aug 2009 20:02:01 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=15989#comment-537372 What makes everybody think Hughes will be successful in the rotation if stretched out?? He was not so hot before the switch?Leave Hughes in the pen.. He has done an incredible job and had stablized the pen! Moving Hughes in the rotation would considerably weaken this team. I don't think Hughes would not be so much of an upgrade than Mitre and the pen would be weaker because of this move. Next year Hughes can try and prove to everyone he can be a starter. What makes everybody think Hughes will be successful in the rotation if stretched out?? He was not so hot before the switch?Leave Hughes in the pen.. He has done an incredible job and had stablized the pen! Moving Hughes in the rotation would considerably weaken this team. I don’t think Hughes would not be so much of an upgrade than Mitre and the pen would be weaker because of this move. Next year Hughes can try and prove to everyone he can be a starter.

]]> By: Bo http://riveraveblues.com/2009/08/all-considered-yanks-handling-joba-well-15989/#comment-537305 Bo Tue, 18 Aug 2009 19:07:03 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=15989#comment-537305 There should always be plans for sudden injuries/nonperformance. There should always be plans for sudden injuries/nonperformance.

]]> By: Bo http://riveraveblues.com/2009/08/all-considered-yanks-handling-joba-well-15989/#comment-537302 Bo Tue, 18 Aug 2009 19:05:03 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=15989#comment-537302 So the team shouldnt be about winning. it should be about making sure young pitchers get properly developed. Titles be damned. Thankfully u guys arent running things. So the team shouldnt be about winning. it should be about making sure young pitchers get properly developed. Titles be damned. Thankfully u guys arent running things.

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