An open letter to Joba

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With the Red Sox coming to town tonight for the start of the biggest series of the season (to date, anyway), Jason at IIATMS pens an open letter to Joba, asking him to do the right thing and set the tone for the series with his pitching and not by throwing at people. I definitely agree, the Sox are coming off two tough losses in Tampa, no need to give them anything to rally around.

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  • Observer283

    I could not possibly agree more with this post. Not one iota more.

    As I went for my morning work out, Joba hitting Youk was the number one thing I feared about this series. There is absolutely no need to wake a team who is going through the dod day duldrums.

    Moreover, the absolute guaranteed retribution against Tex, or A-Rod, or Jeter is something the Yanks don’t need. If one of those guys got hurt because Joba hit Youk or some other Sox star…well…I would not be pleased.

    The end of Jason’s post is perfect. Put the hat down, throw a strike, receive ball from catcher, do it again. No funny business.

    • Observer283

      that should be “dog day duldrums.”

      • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

        Doldrums

        :)

    • http://www.itsaboutthemoney.net Jason @ IIATMS

      Thanks Observer283!

    • gary busey’s face

      um. ok, i guess.

      i mean, yeah, throw strikes and work quickly, sure.

      but really, we’re afraid of something as unquantifiable and abstract as joba “awakening” them, as if they will try harder if he plunks youkilis? isn’t this just as…espn-ish as talking about being clutch?

  • http://pinstripepalace.blogspot.com/ Brien Jackson

    Speaking of Joba, is anyone else wondering why every ESPN proo for the game tonight is gravely intoning that the Red Sox are hitting .341 off of Joba this year? I mean, he’s pitched all of 5.2 innings against them. And he’s got 12 K’s. And John 7.12 Smoltz is going for the Red Sox.

    Fucking ESPN.

    • Drew

      Also, Beckett always dominates us, Uh, it’s not like we’ve scored 11 runs on him in 17 innings. What can ya do, it’s just ESPN.

      • JGS

        well, that’s a little misleading too.

        8 runs on 10 hits in 5 innings the first time
        3 runs on 10 hits in 6 innings the second time
        6 innings of 1-hit shutout ball the third

        If AJ is AJ, we should get a good game out of that one.

        • Drew

          Last time out he was great, but that doesn’t erase his previous two starts against us. ESPN is making it sound as if we are incapable of getting to him.

          • JGS

            well, that’s because he is the clutchest pitcher in the history of clutch pitchers and the ace of the greatest staff ever assembled.

  • Charlie

    i don’t think joba’ll plunk any one. it’d be kind a funny if he did though, to see youk’s reaction, but then not so funny when the sox hit one of our guys. so i agree, joba, no headhunting

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

    Okay, fine, no buzzing of Ol’ Dead-Squirrel-Beard.

    But I want some fist pumping. Bushels and bushels full of fistpumping. I want more fistpumps than you can pump a fist at.

    • RCK

      IETC, as the kids say.

    • Klemy

      How “clutch” would that be?!?!

    • Iowa Yank

      +62

    • pete

      this is my favorite post of all time

  • CountryClub

    Let Joba do whtever he needs to do to pitch well. I can care less if he buzzes melon head as long as he pitches well and the Yanks win.

    • Little Bill

      I agree! Joba needs to be intimidating. If that means throwing one over Longoria’s head like he did in Tampa, then I’m all for it. Youkilis is always a good target. He should send Youkilis a message, strike him out, and do a huge fist pump. That’ll show em.

    • Observer283

      I hear you Country club. But if he hits Youk. A-Rod is getting hit. Or Tex. Or Jeter. If Smoltz doesn’t do it tonight, there is no way that Beckett goes more than two innings tomorrow before he drills someone. And when people get hit, they can get hurt.

      Even if they are well enough to play, it can really impact their effectiveness (See Swisher, Nick).

      Absolutely no need to risk injury to one of the teams central cog.

      • CountryClub

        Yeah, I dont want him to hit anybody (unless in retaliation). But what he did to Longoria would be fine in my eyes. I get the feeling that other players think he’s a bit crazy. Once in a while you have to hit the bull to remind everyone that he never knows where it’s going to go. Bull Durham…great movie.

        • Observer283

          I totally see this point. Kinda like Randy Johnson just before everyone was convinced he had gained control of his fastball. He was very scary.

          But unhonestly, Josh Beckett will not take kindly to him doing what he did to Longoria. This is a very good thing for Sox fans and Sox hitters. It is a bad thing for Yanks hitters. I guaran-damn-tee you he will hit a Yankee if Joba air mails one.

          Josh Beckett = The man who threw a pitch at Bobby Abreu’s head because he called time too late…A couple of days after his teammate was killed in a terrible accident. He then blamed the ensuing mele on the Angels because they were “emotional.”

          He will hit someone if we give him excuse.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Or if we don’t.

            I can’t wait to hear Kruk defending Beckett throwing at one of our players, unprovoked, in an effort to motivate the Sox.

            Especially on the heels of his “expose” on the evils of headhunting, where his Exhibit A was Joba v. Longoria with nary a mention of the far more egregious Beckett v. Abreu earlier in the year.

          • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

            Beckett is a piece of shit.

            • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

              Beckett and Kruk are pieces is a piece of shit.

    • BklynJT

      The ridiculous thing about this is, Joba will going to pitch inside and in the event that one gets away from him, everyone is going to automatically assume that Joba was trying to hit someone, when all he could likely have been doing is pitching inside.

      I think this has become a huge double standard against Joba. The other day on the Mets broadcast, when one of their pitchers was getting hammered, the broadcasters were calling for the pitcher to brush the opposing hitters back. Everyone on WFAN was going crazy about how the pitcher didn’t even once hit a batter or throw up and in.

      Look, we all know Joba hates Youk, shit I hate him too, but if Joba really wanted to hit him, Youk would have gotten hit, end of story. The fact that the ball sailed 2 feet over Youks head means that he wasn’t trying to hit him, but more probably trying to scare the squirrels out from his chin bushel. Since when do we get on pitchers for trying to take back control of the plate?

      • jsbrendog

        Since when do we get on pitchers for trying to take back control of the plate?

        bob gibson’s sentiments exactly

      • Dwnflfan

        I wonder if the Red Sox faithful ever implored Pedro to stop throwing at Yankee hitters?

        Joba has hit 2 Sox batters in 121 PA’s or 1 HBP per 60.5 PA’s. Pedro hit 1 per 52.6 PA’s.
        In 2008 Sox pitchers hit 14 Yankee batters in 706 PA’s or 1 per 50.4 PA’s
        Last year alone there were 4 Sox pitchers that hit as many or more Yankees as Joba has hit Sox in his career, in fewer PA’s.
        Career HBP against Red Sox
        Jeter – 1 per 55
        A-Rod with Yankees – 1 per 37
        A-Rod w/ Tex & Sea – 1 per 75.6
        Giambi with Yankees – 1 per 28.9
        Giambi with A’s – 1 per 94

        So, who’s throwing at whom?

  • Drew

    Eh, Joba needs to pitch his game, he can’t worry about not hitting someone. Anytime Joba busts him inside it will be close to hitting him because Youk leans over the plate.

    • BklynJT

      Egg-fucking-xactly. Those bitches in boston are habitual plate crowders. To counter that, Joba has become a habitual head hunter. No one gets hit, Youk strikes out, no harm no foul.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Those bitches in boston are habitual plate crowders line-steppers.

        Fixed.

        • Drew
          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Heh.

            My wife’s cousin is in that sketch. At the 1:37 mark, the girl in the pink top (right before Chappelle punches Charlie Murphy in the head) with the tat on her shoulder.

            She’s a radio/TV personality. http://www.divanikkiz.com/

        • BklynJT

          Someone, anyone, I dare you to find them a line that they wouldn’t step. It can’t be done. It’s not only improbable, nor impossible, but it’s incomprehensible!

  • Raf

    man that first comment on the link is just ridiculous.

    i want Jason’s point towards the end of his letter, hat down and efficient pitching. but i was a nice big fist pump at the end of 7 or 8 strong innings.

  • Mike HC

    As a rationally thinking human being, I agree that Joba should not do anything on purpose. The best way to get back at them for losing 8 straight it to simply beat them again and again and again. Trying to start a fight will only show our frustration and not be able to beat them. Don’t give them that satisfaction.

    As a Yankee and baseball fanatic, I would love to see Joba stick a pitch into V-Mart’s rib. Welcome to the rivalry. And of course, there is nothing more entertaining than watching a bench clearing brawl between the Yanks and Sox.

    Consider myself torn between being a rational human being and a blood thirsty fanatic.

  • http://www.onedayonejob.com/ Willy

    I think Joba should go right for Youk’s head. Then he’ll get an 11 game suspension and keep his innings down. He’ll be able to finish the season in the starting rotation.

    Please don’t flame me, I’m not at all serious… ok, maybe a little bit. Just not the throwing at his head part.

    It’s a really stupid idea, but talk about killing two birds with one stone.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      I hadn’t thought of that. The innings cap by suspension. Not bad.

      I’m intrigued.

    • Raf

      i wish to subscribe to your newsletter sir

    • 27 this year

      maybe cashman had a plan all along. Get Joba suspended, hurt the Red Sox, and keep Joba’s innings down.

      Cash is officially a genius.

    • Mike HC

      genius

  • OmgZombies

    What kinda p*ssy ass sh*t is this? When has Joba actually hit Youk? Did we see any open letters from Red Sox fans asking Pedro or even Beckett to not hit anyone. I understand wanting to take the high road but you have to let Joba be Joba.

    Quiye frankly I think its great sport when he throws at Youk.

    • Drew

      Plus, it’s so damn fun watching Youk yell “HORSESHIT!!!”

    • gary busey’s face

      +1 for you sir

  • http://pinstripepalace.blogspot.com/ Brien Jackson

    As to the throwing at someone thing, I would certainly hope Girardi is smart enough to let Joba know that if he puts one up around someone’s melon the very next game after he tossed one at Longoria he’ll be eating a suspension and a hefty fine.

    I don’t necessarily think it will amp up the Red Sox or anything,but based on that, if he’s got to come inside on someone, it’s gonna have to be below the waist.

    • Chris

      Why is it always assumed that when someone throws inside or hits a batter that it’s intentional?

      • http://pinstripepalace.blogspot.com/ Brien Jackson

        Well, you don’t put one where the pitch against Longoria was by accident.

        • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

          I doubt that was intentional.

          It was so funny. On ESPN they taked as if they were absolutely sure it was intentional and on YES they had no clue there was even a discussion about the idea that it might be intentional. None. It was like watching two different games. Then when Garza hit Tex I remember Singy saying “Well you see how he was trying to go inside and the ball got away from him, you don’t want to miss out over the plate” while on ESPN they’re like. “He had to hit him. Had to.” It was crazy.

          But it made no sense to hit him on purpose, especially since I believe he had two strikes on him.

        • Chris

          Actually you can, and it’s quite easy.

          If you lose your release point or the ball slips or sticks at release (or your landing point is off or slips), then a pitch from a right handed pitcher will tend to sail up and in to a right handed batter (or down and way). It’s much harder to miss and run one up and in on a left handed batter. This is the big difference between Joba’s pitch to Longoria and Garza’s pitch to Tex.

    • Mike HC

      I disagree. It would be a better idea to tell Joba not to worry about all the extraneous bullshit and to just pitch his game. I can see it now, Joba is all amped up, ready to go out into the game, and Girardi stops him, and says, “wait, just remember that if you get too close inside you will suspended and fined. Now get out there.”

      • http://pinstripepalace.blogspot.com/ Brien Jackson

        I don’t see any reason “inside” has to also be above the ribs.

        • Mike HC

          All I am saying is that if I was the manager, I would not be worrying Joba with suspensions and fines. I would tell him tell to go out there and not hold anything back. Clear your mind of everything that does not have to do with pitching your best game possible.

  • Scotty B

    what does IETC mean?

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      I Enjoyed That Comment.

      • Scotty B

        Thank you (IETC)

  • http://www.twitter.com/MatthewHarris84 Matt H.

    If the Sox need Joba buzzing someone to “rally around” and play better, they have already lost the series.

  • Kiersten

    This Joba headhunting crap needs to stop. He’s a young pitcher who doesn’t have complete control over every pitch and, like good pitchers do, throws inside. Youkilis needs to back off the inside corner of the plate if he’s that worried about getting hit.

    • http://www.twitter.com/MatthewHarris84 Matt H.

      take off those Yankee blinders….one time, maybe a mistake, but it’s happened a few times, including once with Longoria.

      I like him pitching inside, but you can knock someone down if it’s inside at the letters….

      • Chris

        So a young pitcher that has struggled with his control can’t make more than one mistake? This isn’t like Pedro in 2000 where he hit 14 batters and walked only 32.

  • BBDC

    Hey its not Joba’s fault that Youk’s head closely resembles a catchers mitt.

    • Klemy

      Truth.

  • Kulish

    That letter is about as retarded as most of the comments below it.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Peter (Han Solo): [about the Millennium Falcon] Well, what do you think?
      Chris (Luke Skywalker): What a piece of junk!
      Peter (Han Solo): Thank you. This was my brother’s. He died of leukemia. How do you feel now?

  • Observer283

    Matt, you are clearly right from a logical standpoint.

    I know what I am about to say is irrational. But here goes: The Varitek/A-Rod incident from 2004. It has scarred me. If you remember correctly, the Red Sox were slumping. The Yankees were winning the game. They plunk A-Rod. A-Rod jaws at the pitcher while walking to first. Varitek punches him in the face with his glove(with his mask still on, an act of bravery Sox fans refuse to acknowledge when discussing this incident).

    Red Sox eventually come back to win a wild game on a walk-off homerun by Bill Mueller (the very name still gives me shivers) off Mo. They go on a hot streak, win the wild card, and the rest as they say is history. The photo of Varitek’s glove mashing into A-Rod’s face becomes iconic. Many state that that incident was the moment the rivalry shifted. This is a highly, highly, irrational belief.

    But yet, I am still scarred. And the image of the glove in A-Rod’s face brings back memories of everything that went wrong after that fight. Ever since then, I just can’t dismiss out of hand the “waking up the enemy” argument. I know I should. But I can’t.

    • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

      Nah, the moment the rivalry shifted was when David Ortiz got that base hit in the bottom of the ninth of game 4 of the 04′ ALCS.

      • http://www.twitter.com/MatthewHarris84 Matt H.

        Or the Dave Roberts stolen base….

        • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

          That wouldn’t have mattered w/o the hit.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      But yet, I am still scarred… Ever since then, I just can’t dismiss out of hand the “waking up the enemy” argument. I know I should. But I can’t.

      http://www.makemeheal.com/images/products/estore/10013/large/kelocote.jpg (safe)

      • Observer283

        Haha. Nice.

  • zs190

    I just want Joba to pitch his game. Less walks, less hit batters, rest up the bullpen for the next 3.

  • Joe

    This is ridiculous. Boston would throw at Jeter like it was target practice and the yanks would never do anything about it bc Torre always wanted to take the high road. Joba threw at Longoria last start and that ended up working out pretty well didn’t it? Flip Youk’s lid again tonight. If Youk was half a man he’d make it stop himself by charging the mound instead of whining to the ump. And who exactly is this gonna fire up in the Sox lineup? Ortiz (.225)? Bay (hurt)? Varitek (sucks)? Drew (doesn’t care, sucks)? Lowell (hurt, old)? I say screw it, throw at him again and keep intimidating him, it seems to work for Joba.

    • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

      If they throw at one of us first, fine. Otherwise, why?

      • Joe

        Bc he’s their best hitter. If he’s standing in the box wondering whether or not he’s gonna have to dive to the ground to get out of the way of the pitch that’s obviously gonna take his attention off of actually hitting that pitch.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          My retort:

          We’re a better team. If we start ignoring the main contest at hand and instead start focusing on a beanball battle, we lose focus on the primary objective: impose our will on them in the field of play. By outplaying them.

          • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

            That.

            In the interest of continuing a theme, IETC.

            • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

              no.

              there is no beanball battle, that’s some shit rspn created.

              joba throws pitches. wins some. loses some.

              sometimes, Mo makes it rain.

        • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

          Come on, I highly doubt it’ll make a difference whether he throw at Youk or not. What if we end up actually hitting him (not just buzzing him inside)? Then we put a man on base.

          I remember as one of the better moments of the season Garza going up and in on Swisher and then having Swishy take him deep with a HR. Honestly I don’t think buzzing people has any effect at all, especially not on a hitter as hot at the moment and as good as Youk.

          • Joe

            I understand what you’re saying and you have a good point. My point is with a hitter this good and this hot right now, you would think Joba would do something to make him feel a little less comfortable at the plate. I’m not saying he should go up there and drill him in the head or the back or hit him at all. Just knock him down like he did to Longoria. He’s shown he can do that without hitting a guy, and I don’t see the harm in doing it again. You saw how ticked Longoria was after he popped out that at bat, he slammed his bat into the ground. He was probably trying to hit one out to show up Joba. Anyone who knows anything about hitting knows that if you’re trying to hit one out more likely than not you’re not going to.

            • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

              I don’t think he knocked Longoria back on purpose but let’s assume he did. I really don’t think it affected anything.

              I understand what you’re saying but is it worth risking suspension?

              • Joe

                For a normal starter, no.

                But for Joba and his innings limit, it wouldn’t be the end of the world.

                Again, I’m not saying he should just go up there and drill him. Above all, I just want Joba to go out there and pitch the way he’s capable of and whatever he needs to do in order to do that, he should do. He threw one at Youk last year in Fenway and pitched a gem that game. He’s shown he can dominate the Red Sox and I’m sure everybody here wants him to do just that tonight.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  You sound like the guy from above who (jokingly) suggested that Joba should nail Youk so that he’s forced to miss a few starts and use less innings.

                • Joe

                  Yeah I know. I’m not saying that should be the reason he should do it. Would just be convienent should it happen.

  • Mike Pop
    • zs190

      That would be nice, interestingly Mo had a 5 out save that game. We have not used Mo for 5 outs in a save situation at all this season. Joe has all of a sudden decided that 4 outs is the max Mo can go. (He did use Mo for 2 innings once in that extra inning game in a non-save situation)

      • Chris

        Joe has all of a sudden decided that 4 outs is the max Mo can go.

        I believe this sudden change was due to the shoulder surgery that Mo underwent in the offseason. They’re concerned about him getting reinjured.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          FWIW, Mo did go a full two innings against the Twins on May 16th, the 9th and the 10th.

          But yeah, I don’t think it’s a “I’m not letting him go 5 outs, only 4″ as much as it is “I don’t want to bring him in for the 8th because he’s had surgery/is older/I don’t want to overuse him”, so he waits until the last possible moment before the 9th (i.e., with two out in the 8th) before calling on him.

          • Chris

            Joe has specifically said that he won’t use Mo for more than 4 outs. I think it was after a game where the Yankees blew the lead with 1 out in the 8th, but I’m pretty sure he reiterated it later. Mo’s usage patterns support this: 10 games of more than 1 inning, and only the Minnesota game was more than 4 outs. That Minnesota game was also different because he pitched the 9th in a tie game and was only brought out for the 10th because he only threw 11 pitches in the 9th.

          • toad

            But why the assumption that he has to finish the game? If we’re in a dangerous situation with one out in the eighth why not let him finish the eighth and bring in someone else for the ninth, or leave Mo in if he gets it done in just a couple of pitches.

            If you’re going to use a great pitcher and an average one in the 8th and 9th why not use the great one when you’re in trouble. Is this just a question of warmup time, etc.?

    • I Remember Celerino Sanchez

      And, of course, even in a gem of a game (Joba dominant, Mo gets a five-out save), Farnsworth nearly blew the game (one out, two hits). That really is classic.

  • mryankee

    I want Joba to pitch a great ballgame and don’t throw at Youkilis or anyone else-Anyone remember July of 2004-red sox were up big on sox at fenway and about to send arroyo to the showers. Arod get hit intentionally and instead of taking his base and continuing the big inning he starts a fight and we all know what happened after that. I wonderif AROD just took his base let a sleeping and struggling dog lie what might have happened.

  • J.D.

    I just read a point by Olney where he said had the Yanks merely split those 8 games against Boston, they’d have a 10.5 game lead now, crazy right? It’s obvious if you do the simple math but you fail to realize the magnitude of losses here and there. (even if it is against the Red Sox).

    • Mike HC

      And if the Red Sox had just signed Teix than they would have had a 10.5 game lead. Its math.

  • J.D.

    Truth be told they might even of had a bigger lead with him on the team.

    • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

      Interesting question: With all this talk about Jeet for MVP (which is possible if the Twins don’t make the playoffs) how about the possibility of Tex for MVP? He’s had a fantastic season.

      • Mike HC

        I would rather have 2009 Jeter on my team than 2009 Teix if I had a gun to my head. Jeter is more valuable to me because he plays SS, and is playing it very well this year.

        • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

          I would take Tex. He’s played fantastic defense and has hit for power. His OBP is great. He’s been clutch. And his average is fine.

  • J.D.

    I guess it depends on how much the writers value stats such as WAR and the like as opposed to the standard Hr’s and Rbi’s. I think a case for either one is compelling. I just can’t stand the thought of Pedroia having one MVP and Jeter having none, so I am biased from that standpoint.

    • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

      Couple things:

      1. Please use the reply button. Just saying.
      2. The reason Jeet and Tex have a shot for MVP is that the Twins, who have the two best candidates in Mauer and Morneau, may not make the playoffs. And if you don’t make the playoffs, how valuable can you be? So then when you look around the rest of the league (assuming of course we do make the playoffs) Tex and Jeet do stand out.

      • J.D.

        I used the reply button, hopefully that makes you feel better. I am much more of a reader than a writer on this site so I apologize.

        Normally I would agree with you that an MVP should come from a team that makes the playoffs. Yet we have seen a trend over the past couple of years where that is just not the case anymore. (i.e. Arod (2003), Howard (2006), Pujols (2008) and likely also in 2009. So it is quite possible that the writers believe that you can be MVP worthy if your team falls short because imagine where they would be without your services. I wouldn’t be surprised if we saw that again with Morneau.

        • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

          Well if you have a historically great season, yes that may sway things, like A-Rod in one of those years on last place Seattle.

          I still think Jeet and Tex have a shot only because of last year. Pedroia was not the best candidate (there was also Hamilton and Sizemore) but his team made the oplayoffs, so there you go.

          And if you put a gun to my head I’d take Tex, but barely.

          • J.D.

            Well the thing about Arod when he won with the Rangers, was that he had a great season but nothing to rise to the level of historic, so that doesn’t always hold up. You are right in the fact that Hamilton was highly deserving of it, but in fairness Pedroia had a fine fine season and I understand why he won it. In the end if Quentin didn’t have a temper tantrum, he would have been the MVP but that’s what makes this guessing game interesting for us fans.

            I do agree that I would take Teixera too by a slim margin, but lets just be grateful that we have two legitimate MVP candidates on our team this year.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              You are right in the fact that Hamilton was highly deserving of it…

              Josh Hamilton, 2008:
              Home – .345/.408/.611 (1.019)
              Away – .263/.331/.448 (.779)

              I agree. The Ballpark at Arlington deserved serious consideration for the AL MVP last year. Josh Hamilton? Not so much.

              • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                Also Sizemore.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        The reason Jeet and Tex have a shot for MVP is that the Twins, who have the two best candidates in Mauer and Morneau, may not make the playoffs. And if you don’t make the playoffs, how valuable can you be?

        http://www.firejoemorgan.com/2008/10/albert-pujols-was-not-good-enough.html

        Tex and Jeter’s starting rotation includes CC, AJ, Joba, Pettitte, and the occasional Phil Hughes. Mauer and Morneau’s includes Nick Blackburn, Scott Baker, the ghost of Fransisco Liriano, Glen Perkins, Kevin Slowey, Anthony Swarzak, and R.A. Dickey.

        If Mauer keeps hitting like this, he should win the MVP even if the Twins finish 10 games out in the ALC.

        • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

          Once agin though, whatever the starting rotation how valuable can you be if you can’t even get your team to the playoffs?

          I understand his starting staff isn’t very good, but the award is Most Valuable Player. If your team isn’t in the playoffs, how valuable are you?

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Valuable enough to keep your team near .500 and in it at the trading deadline instead of having your team eliminated by Bastille Day.

            • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

              I’ll give you that one.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                Thanks.

                I mean, it’s not like I’m saying that Mark Teahen should get MVP consideration because he’s the heart and soul of the Royals here.

                Mauer: Amazing. Twins: Not as good as the Yankees or Red Sox, but still a solid team.

                That should be enough.

                • pete

                  you know how fangraphs has those graphs of likelihood of winning over the course of the game, play by play? I wonder if you totaled all of the outcomes of every atbat a player has and totaled the increases/decreases in likelihood of winning, if you would get a worthwhile statistic in terms of a players total offensive value. It’s basically like a raw version of WAR, which ascribes a value to each outcome based on league averages and how much impact plays have in general. This method, would, however, i think be a little more concrete and direct.

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

                  That’s exactly what WPA is. Fangraphs has that too.

  • zack

    Ok, so a related but unrelated question: who do we think is the better fantasy baseball start: Joba tonight or CC Sat. I can only go with one of the two due to restrictions in # of starts per week…

    • Mike HC

      Tough question. Joba is matched up with Smoltz and CC with Buchholz, so both opponents have not been pitching well. I would go with the guy you have more faith in. There is no wrong answer here, it is just a gut decision. I probably go with CC.

      • zack

        Thats been my general lean today. I just don’t trust Joba enough yet, though he does have the advantage of no Bay or Drew. I like these decisions to be obvious, not either or!

        • J.D.

          Yea I would go with Joba because not having Bay would tip the scales in the Yankees favor IMHO, but we do know that Smoltz is a gamer and Buchholz steals laptops so kharma should catch up with him. You’re right its just too hard, but I’d probably stay with Joba (have some faith in the guy) unless innings pitched are of value in your league.

          • Mike HC

            Joba’s home road splits have Joba at home: 4.37 era and 1.51 whip. On the road: 2.78 era and 1.29 whip. CC has a 4.02 1.25 at home and 3.89 1.16. Take into account that all things being even a Lefty is better at Yankee Stadium because of the short porch is right and I think CC is the way to go if I needed to pick one.

    • Klemy

      I like Joba in this one, based off his starts since the all-star break. There is absolutely no reason for him not to be fired up tonight. I expect we’ll see an intense game tonight!

  • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

    This just cracked me up. From lohud (comparing position by position):

    SHORTSTOP
    Yankees: Derek Jeter is one of the five greatest living Americans. He is the defender of all that is good and right.

    Red Sox: Nick Green or Jed Lowrie look like they should parking Jeter’s new Ford Edge.

    Edge: C’mon on now.

    • Klemy

      Bah, they are just trying to use that commercial to be funny. They think they are being cute.

  • GG

    This doesnt enclude the Youker does it????

  • Tampa Yankee

    This should help Joba, one less bat to worry about (even though he’s slumping lately):

    “ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. — Red Sox left fielder Jason Bay re-injured his right hamstring Wednesday night and expects to miss at least the first two games of Boston’s upcoming series against the New York Yankees.”

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4380317

    • Klemy

      Pansy.

  • Ajax

    Is Joe Girardi’s job on the line with this series? Indeed.

    • I Remember Celerino Sanchez

      Nope. If the Yanks get swept, they’ll be a game and a half out of first.

    • Klemy

      Short answer? No.

  • younguns

    Where in the hell was this “Open Letter” when Pedro, Beckett, & Julian Tavarez, declared open season on Jeter & company year after year?!?!

    File this Open Letter under “B” for Bullshit.

  • Riddering

    I could care less what Joba does on the mound as long he records outs and absolutely demoralizes the Boston bats until they start praying for a single, just a single, sweet Caroline, my salary for a single!

    *ahem*

    OTOH, how great is it to have a Joba-centric post with so many comments and none of it analyzing weak performances? What a difference an ASB can make!