Ok… Again, maybe there’s some… vagueness… to your words sometimes. To me, when someone says “X is one of the best I’ve seen, and that even includes Y and Z,” that means the person is making a judgment that X is better than Y and Z. If that’s not what you meant, then fine, I’ll change my interpretation of those words. Frankly, it doesn’t matter. He’s not better than Mattingly was and he’s not as good as Mattingly was.

If that’s what you meant, then I’ll amend the sentence you took issue with. “No, that’s not what you’re saying. You’re saying Tex is a better as good a defensive first baseman than as Don Mattingly was.” I still think that’s false, even with the edits, as I’ve been arguing all along.

Please, please, please, don’t respond again. This conversation couldn’t be more dead.

That was more or less what I was trying to point out in the comment vortex from earlier.

The reason all time greatness is involved is because I haven’t watched some of the all time great defensive 1b’s like, off the topic of my head, Gehrig. But as for 1b’s I’ve seen myself, yes he’s up with some of the best.

“it is kind of cool to watch Tex throw–did you know a first baseman can actually MOVE HIS FEET before and or during a throw? fanfrickintastic if you ask me.”

After watching Giambi for so many years at 1B, I always thought the 1B’s feet were glued to the ground or they were wearing some super heavy cement cleats.

But yeah as soon as I saw some of the plays Tex pulled off, I literally had an explosion in my pants.

He seriously has some good hands.

“while I think he’s up there with some of the best first basmena I’ve ever seen I haven’t watched enough baseball to make a judgement on all time greatness.”

Ok… I still think you overrate him. Not sure what your hesitance to discuss “all time greatness” has to do with it.