Fan Confidence Poll: August 3rd, 2009

Yanks offense turns table on ChiSox for finale victory
Do long home runs rattle a pitcher?

Record Last Week: 3-4 (38 RS, 44 RA)
Season Record: 63-42 (581 RS, 510 RA), 0.5 games up
Opponents This Week: @ Toronto (2 games), vs. Boston (4 games)

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Please take a second to answer the poll below and give us an idea of how confident you are in the team. You can view the Fan Confidence Graph anytime via the nav bar above, or by clicking here. Thanks in advance for voting.

Given the team's current roster construction, farm system, management, etc., how confident are you in the Yankees' overall future?
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Yanks offense turns table on ChiSox for finale victory
Do long home runs rattle a pitcher?
  • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

    Confidence Level = 9. Because of JobaHughesGate, still.

    Oh, and, for the sake of posterity:

    “The Yanks were reportedly interested Bronson Arroyo but thankfully nothing came of it. They also made a run at Jarrod Washburn and Brian Bannister, but the prices was were too high.”

  • Little Bill

    My confidence level is at a 10 and has been all season long.

  • Doug

    8 for this season and 6 for the future because of all the aging long-term contracts and the jeter situation looming (which i’m not sure is going to end well in my mind)

    • KG Sturnz0r – Camilo Gerardo

      Jeter will be given a contract until his retirement and become a yankee legend (for later generations). He will stay at shortstop until the end unless he bulks like mad. Situation no longer looms. your welcome.

  • james

    I am an 8, simply because lets face-it our staff ace hasnt really been ace like this year. CC is sporting a ERA around 4, his K rate is down…hes no josh beckett…but I think we have a staff that as a whole is strong save for the 5th spot.

    • Mike Axisa

      Why are people so obsessed with Josh Beckett? He’s good, but there are so many better pitchers out there.

      • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

        Because every person employed by the Yankees must be compared at all times to some sort of counterpart in Boston.

      • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        I could be wrong, but I believe that since being traded to Boston Josh Beckett has a record of 149-0 with a 0.00 ERA.

        He once won a playoff game by a score of 2 to -1.

        • The Lodge

          That and his ruggedly handsome good looks.

      • Dela G

        Josh beckett has been incredible since his second year in boston, so its a legit obsession in my book. He has his hiccups like everyone else, but i love the guy

        • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Josh Beckett since his second year in Boston (’07-present):
          78 starts (45-21), 3.53 ERA (133+), 498/113 K/BB in 518.0 IP, 1.158 WHIP

          CC Sabathia since Josh Beckett’s second year in Boston (’07-present):
          92 starts (47-24), 3.19 ERA (140+), 574/139 K/BB in 649.0 IP, 1.145 WHIP

          • The Fallen Phoenix


            • AJ’s Chin Music Ensemble

              let’s take a look back on CC & BECKY on a cold October night in BOOSTOWN…and think who had the upper hand here…CC and his tribe or Becky and his Bash Bros. of Beantown…I’ll take CC on the hill with a Pinstriped Posse over Big Sloppy and Becky any day … true yankee fan for life…BUCK FOSTON!!!

              Josh Beckett pitched six innings of four-hit ball and David Ortiz and Manny Ramirez reached base all 10 times they came to the plate as the Red Sox won the ALCS opener, 10-3 over the Indians.

              Cleveland starter C.C. Sabathia gave up eight runs, seven hits and five walks in 4 1/3 innings. He gave up three consecutive singles in the first inning and then loaded the bases in the four-run third and again in the three-run fifth.

              Ortiz has reached base 16 of 18 times this postseason, going 7-for-9 with eight walks and a hit-by-pitch. Ramirez has reached base 11 of his last 12 times since Game 2 of Boston’s first-round sweep of the Angels.

              • Quotable: “I’ve never seen anything like it. They’re unbelievable. Especially going up against a pitcher like C.C., to get on every time is unbelievable.”
              — Mike Lowell, on Ortiz and Ramirez


  • Frank

    It’s 6 for me. Disappointed they didn’t get a starter; the 5th spot is a black hole and it still remains to be seen what happens with Joba once he reaches his innings limit (whatever that is). Hitting with RISP is still a concern (despite yesterday). I also have concerns about the BP, namely, Bruney, Coke and Aceves (is he hurt, in a slump, or has the league just figured him out?).

  • Moshe Mandel


    CC is not an ace.
    AJ comes up small in big games against the important White Sox- they have Sox in their name!!!!!
    Pettitte is old.
    Mitre is not as good as Bronson Arroyo.
    A-Rod not clutch.
    Swisher 4th outfielder.
    Matsui hits grounders to 2nd.
    Cody Ransom is the devil.
    Cano with RISP!!!!
    Posada can’t catch.
    Cashman asleep at wheel.
    They win despite Girardi.
    It’s Michael Kay’s fault.
    Jerry Hairston cannot pitch!!!
    Melky throws to wrong bases!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • icedtea

      “Posada can’t catch.”

      Or hit much lately either.

      • Russell NY

        He hits a lot…….. of double plays

        • Klemy


    • http://deleted RollingWave

      I enjoy that you hide one legit complain in the middle of a bunch of smoke :P

      • Moshe Mandel

        Lol- which is legit? I figure everyone will have something different.

        • http://deleted RollingWave

          Randy Cosam

          • Moshe Mandel

            He does stink, but he’s not a reason to lose confidence. He is the last man on the roster and will be gone soon.

            • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              But don’t you see, Moshe? His mere presence is a microcosm of all that is wrong with the organization. I have no choice but to extrapolate this out to a massive jump-to-conclusions-mat that clearly both Brian Cashman and Joe Girardi are massive idiots that can’t possibly lead a team to a title because they have Cody Ransom on their roster.

              • KG Sturnz0r – Camilo Gerardo

                Girardi can’t predict teh future!!

    • Little Bill

      lol, well done.

  • Russell NY

    Tough stretch coming up for Red Sox:

    2 at Tampa Bay
    3 at Yankees
    4 with Detroit
    3 at Texas
    3 at Toronto
    3 with Yankees
    4 with White Sox
    3 with Toronto
    3 at Tampa Bay
    3 at White Sox

    Gets easy for them around September 8th with a bunch of games against the Orioles and Kansas City.

    • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      4 at Yankees, but yeah.

      After all the “The AL East has the three best teams in all of baseball”, I’m gonna laugh when the four teams that make the playoffs are the Yankees, Tigers, Angels, and… the Texas Rangers.

      • Russell NY

        Good call, didn’t see the 4th.

        Texas is good but I still don’t think much of their pitching.

        • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Me neither, but they’re only what, 3 games behind the Sox? If Holland doesn’t hit a rookie roadbump and Neftali Feliz pitches like he’s capable of, it wouldn’t be the strangest thing in the world to see them knock off the wild card.

          I’d still pick Boston in a pinch, but I’m just saying, it’s not a foregone conclusion that the AL East sends two teams to the playoffs.

          • Russell NY

            Agreed. Lets just hope it’s the Yankees that win the AL East then and not the Sox or Rays.

      • Zack

        and ESPN will start the ‘2nd wild card spot’ train

  • http://deleted RollingWave

    7, because the lose of Jesus was an automatic -3

    • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Don’t worry. In a few days, he’ll rise again.

      • Joe R


      • Klemy

        Applause +1

      • Dela G


  • SteveB

    What ruined the AL championship teams of 1976-1981 was how the Yankees changed their management team every single year and because of that, their (“temporary”) GMs would be under so much pressure to have a championship team RIGHT NOW, that they traded away almost all of their best prospects in return for 30ish former star ballplayers. Gotta win NOW, no time to develop those kids. The pitching was the first to go, and finally the team collapsed while we watched ‘former Yankee farmhands’ excel elsewhere. It is amazing to me how badly fans want the Yankees to repeat that same mistake now. Just taking Jarrod Washburn for example– he’s a 34 yr old pitcher having his first good season since 2002. Why would I want to trade a key young prospect for that? And Bronson Arroyo– give me a break! Brian Bannister is a little better choice, but he’s stunk when facing the Yankees, Red Sox & Rays. I think Cashman is doing the right thing. All we need is a #5 starter who can go 5-6 innings without losing control of the game. Cashman obtained low-cost Jason Hirsh and almost nobody noticed his start in Scranton Saturday night (5IP, 5H, 0R, 0BB, 7K). Scranton starter Josh Towers has an ERA under 3.00 since the start of June. So there is Plan B and Plan C if Mitre stinks again. The only thing that worries me right now is the possibility that Girardi has blown out Aceves’ arm, and maybe Coke’s too. That’s what would hurt. I’d love to see Melancon now become the reliever I expect him to be. We’ll find out soon enough.

    As for Doug’s comment about losing players to free agency– the only players we lose after this season are Pettitte, Molina, Matsui, Damon & Nady. I am not convinced the Yankees won’t offer Damon a 1-2 year contract, and maybe Pettitte another 1 year deal. Otherwise the Yankees have replacements ready for Molina, Matsui & Nady. There’s no problem there. Jeter will most likely be resigned after 2010, but let’s worry about that next year.

    • Frank

      Good post. Agree with yopu about Aceves although he may be just going through a dead arm period. Don’t agree about Coke- I just don’t think he’s all that good.

      • KG Sturnz0r – Camilo Gerardo

        good post, but people do tend to underestimate X

    • JMK

      Listen, buddy, I come here for the memes and the antagonistic, pessimistic tirades people go on about the Yankees’ pending doom. Don’t bring relatively well-formulated arguments to the table. This is a good thing we have going here. Don’t ruin it.

      In all seriousness though, Towers’ peripherals don’t indicate a great degree of success at the major-league level. And the recent struggles of Aceves and Coke aren’t necessarily indicative of their arms being “blown out”. They may be a bit overworked or they simply could be struggling. It’s hard to say.

      Other than those minor things, I completely agree with you.

  • Jake H

    From a 9 to an 8. Nothing major changed just a rough patch. I think this week is a huge week thou.

  • Mac

    7 for me – easily the best team since 2003, and possibly better than that thanks to Tex and A-Rod and the possibility of big roles for Hughes and Joba.

    I think Cash gets a reliever and starter thru waivers, that could be huge.

    Not bagging on CC, but for those who are concerned, here’s his #’s against the following this year (so far) – limited sample size aside:

    Boston 0-1 5.14 era
    LAA 0-2 6.08
    TB 0-1 5.93
    Phils 0-0 3.38 – 8 innings 9 hits 3 runs

    • Russell NY

      Not 100% sure how waivers work but I believe if the Yankees drop .5 games behind the Red Sox they will get their starter and reliever faster than you can say “Cawk Sawker”

      • Mac

        I joked earlier that was Cash’s plan – to dip behind the Sox and get someone thru.

        It would be interesting if the Sox blocked a guy who was owed big $ (not Doc) – they need a starter more than we do, but a reliever with a big contract might be doable even if we are still ahead.

        • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          While we joke about how the Sox “superior pitching depth” thing is largely a myth, the fact remains that they do have all those pitchers on their roster and that does kinda make it less likely that they put in a claim on a pitcher we’re interested in.

          When the A’s put Duchscherer through waivers, I’m not worried about the Sox putting in a claim to block us. I’m worried about the Angels and Rangers putting in a claim to block us. I want LA to keep winning for a few more weeks so we have a higher priority than they do.

          • Mac

            Yep, I really don’t know what Theo would do – I guess that he can’t be happy with what he’s got past Beckett (who is 149-0) and Lester.

            Isn’t Duchscherer still on the dl coming back from surgery? From Yahoo sports:

            But Duchscherer was scratched from his rehab start at Class AAA Sacramento on Friday and the team released no information other than to say that he has a “non-baseball related issue.” There is no timetable for his return to the mound.

  • JohnnyC

    On the other hand, we could have gotten a player from the Indians for 3 relievers. Guess we missed our chance. Theo’s such a better negotiator. Hrrmph.

    • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      What player could we have gotten from the Indians for three relievers?

      The Sox trading for V-Mart is wholly unrelated to any of the trades we were interested in making. Apples, oranges.

      • JohnnyC

        I was being sarcastic. I think Shapiro’s rep as a good GM is way overblown. And Theo as a better negotiator? Apparently it has to do with the amount of underdone turkey he’s willing to stomach.

  • Stryker

    i’m at an 8 for this week. it’s tough to have this poll after the yanks dropped a series to the white sox(!) and the mediocre pitching performances of CC and AJ. the team played sloppy baseball and the offense just looked real, real flat. i’m starting to worry that these guys are tiring themselves out by playing intense baseball in the other 2/3 of the season which could lead them to fall short – but it’s a ridiculous thing to worry about/ponder when your team has one of the best records in baseball.

    i like the hairston move – it provides some extra depth at multiple positions – but he will lose his Type B status as a SS if he plays something like 7 more games in the OF. i would have liked to see the yankees acquire a starting pitcher at the deadline (and who knows they still might do a waiver deal at some point this month) – they need to get the starting rotation right for the final stretch of the season. it’s clear mitre just is not cutting it – but could hirsh or towers be any better? mitre was putting up even better AAA numbers than those guys.

    we shall see.

    • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      I bet the Type B status thing is moot. I bet we just resign Hairston as our super-sub for next year. He’s a decent (if slightly subpar) bat who can play everywhere and won’t complain about a bench role, he’s got great value to a title team.

      • Zack

        or maybe he tests the market to see if he could get opportunity to get a full time gig, similar to Hinske

        • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside


      • jjyank

        Agreed there TSJC. The Hairston move provides us with better version of our other utility options (Ransom is obvious, and Hairston will hit better then Pena over the course of a season).

        Solid bat, can play everywhere. He and Hinske are valuable additions to our bench.

        • jsbrendog

          but i thought cashman cant build a bench…

          ::head explodes::

  • Lou

    It’s been 7 all season long. My lack of a higher number is knowing that the rotation is not best in class during a playoff series

    • Chris

      How do you know that?

  • YankeeScribe

    Still at 7

    I was hoping they added a starter by the deadline but here’s to hoping that the Yanks do the next best thing and move Hughes back into the rotation.

    Hairston and Hinske were great additions. I’m feeling good about the bench depth now. I’ll feel great about the bench when they dump Ransom.

    Our playoff chances are looking good but CC and AJ need to step up for big games more often…

  • Klemy

    Knowing the need for starting pitching beyond CC, AJ, and Andy definitely limits my scale to an 8, as it has been most of the year. I can appreciate that we are winning and have one of the best records, but the holes are there, staring us in the face.

    The 3 losses to the White Sox are a small bump in a long road, so I won’t let that lower my confidence level yet.

    Mitre makes me want to cry and when Joba leaves the rotation I am going to cry more.

    • Klemy

      And I only listed CC, AJ, and Andy, because we all know Joba only has a few more starts left.

      • Zack

        But look around at the 3rd starters for LAA, BOS, MINN, TEX. Detriot is the only team with a good #3- and i think our guys proved they can pitch with Detriot, plus the offense is much better than there’s.

        • Zack

          That was meant for the postseason. And look at other 4s and 5s for the rest of the regular season

          • Klemy

            Oh I wouldn’t argue that. We all are pretty much in the same boat. All I’m saying is that it’s an uneasy feeling for me getting to the playoffs, worrying about our rotation.

            • Zack

              well for just making it to the playoffs:
              TB- Garza and Shields are good
              Kazmir- hurt and up/down all year
              Niemann- never been over 150 IP in 1 year
              Price- 123 IP last year, 133 his last year in college, what his limit? Plus he hasnt been that good this year

              Bos- Beckett and Lester are good
              Penny/Smoltz – nothing to say
              Buchholz – potential but not pitching to it yet
              Dicek- 60 day DL
              Wake- DL, he just admitted he now has a pinched nerve and has “zero strength in his calves”

              now that doesnt mean anything because basbeall isnt won on paper, but im not losing sleep over our rotation

              • Zack

                basically all 3 teams are in the same boat when it comes to pitching

              • Klemy

                But all that doesn’t make me feel any better, knowing that Mitre is in our rotation and Kei Igawa is literally one injury away from possibly starting a game…

                • Zack

                  well then worry that the Yankees have a question mark at the 5th starter while Boston has question marks of the 3rd, 4th and 5th spots

                • Klemy

                  That’s just it, we have major questions at 4 and 5 as well once Joba hits his limit, isntead of just 5. Our 4 and 5 are potentially abysmal at that point unless we aquire someone.

                  I sincerely hope your thoughts on the other’s starters hold true.

  • Riddering

    We are 1-0 so far for Shark Week.

    I predict we go 5-1.

    As Cervelli said before he left, “Live every week like it’s Shark Week. But on actual Shark Week you need to amp it up.”

    • jsbrendog

      if he really said this then he might be my favorite player soon…

  • Mike HC

    I’m at an 8 and have been all season. As long as the Yanks continue to spend considerably more money than the rest of the league, the fans confidence level should always be very high

    • Zack

      Payroll doesnt give you confidence, Talent gives you confidence.

      • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Guns don’t kill people, people with guns kill people.

        Seriously, though, I agree and disagree with both of you. Payroll without talent doesn’t give you confidence, talent without payroll doesn’t give you confidence.

        Payroll and talent together give you confidence. And we’re just the guys to have it.

      • Mike HC

        If your team has a ton of talent, but your ownership has a history of not spending any money to keep them, my overall confidence level for the future would still probably not be very high. As long as there is no payroll in baseball and the Yanks continue to spend as they are, it would be pretty tough to mess it up. Add that to the fact that Cashman is actually a smart GM, and it is all good.

  • andrew

    im at a 7. always have been.

    couple things. the tigers and redsox made off like bandits because they gave up nothing for washburn and martinez respectively. shapiro is an ding-a-ling.

    another thing, it sucks montero went down because im not worried about his bat, rather his defense. he cant work on it and it sucks.

    finally, with holliday’s remergence do you think the yankees go after him this offseason? do you want them to?

    it would be a nice addition for sure but i think that we can live without him.

    • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      I disagree with your analysis of Shapiro. Getting Hagadone-Masterson-Price-Knapp-Carrasco-Donald-Marson for Cliff Lee and Victor Martinez is a good haul.

      The lesson of this trading deadline is you’re basically NEVER going to get a team’s super-elite prospects in a trade, no matter who you’re trading. The days of getting Buchholzes and Jobas and Billingsleys and Hollands in trades are over.

      Shapiro is getting blasted for not getting any surefire A+ prospects, but that’s not a realistic criticism anymore. He should instead be lauded for getting 7 really solid B prospects, two of whom still have enough upside (Hagadone and Knapp) to blossom into A- prospects.

      • Klemy

        The Philly trade works out pretty well for both sides given that description too.

      • gio

        I disagree, because if GMs used this logics, that is you’re not going to get the elite prospects, why not hold on to the player and get the draft picks that will net you the elite prospect in a year or two?

        • The Fallen Phoenix

          You don’t necessarily get the elite prospect; even if a Type A free agent walks, you don’t necessarily get the 1st round pick if the team that signs him has their first round pick protected, or if the Yankees decide to sign the three best FAs in a class.

          The other thing is, organizational depth is actually really important. Look at the Mets – yes, they have been killed by injuries, but one of the reasons why the Mets haven’t really been able to respond well to the rush of injuries is because they just don’t have the organizational depth to plug their holes, either internally or through dealing for it.

          Slightly extreme because of how many injuries they’ve suffered, but the concept is valid and applies.

  • mryankee

    I know everyone will disagree with me and I know you will all say I am wrong for the most part. I think if their was a chance for Halladay Yanks should have made the trade. We will all know this about 10pm tomorrow night and what could have been. I am not so confident with the following
    1-the way cc has pitched lately
    2-the way arod has looked most of the year
    3-Sergio Mitre pitching for this team again in any capacity
    4-The way Phil Coke has pitched recently
    5-The way Alfredo Aceves pitched
    6-the red sox put 18 runs on the o’s and vmart went 5-5
    By he way I dont understand the idea that its ok to have a lousy #5 pitcher as if those games dont count. When you have a three game lead in teh division and have a chance to make a deal to knock out your closet competitor-you have to do it-If not Halladay should have been Washburn or Lee-

    • V

      The sun isn’t yellow; it’s chicken!

      • mryankee

        Ok because I am making observations about whats occured in the last week? and what lies ahead tomorrow?

    • Russell NY

      There wasnt a chance.

  • Manimal

    6. No one has a clue what they are planning to do with this rotation and until Mitre starts performing they need a new 5th starter.

    • mryankee

      My point exactly how can you be a championship team and have no idea what your doing about your rotations, and they had a shot to improve the rotation and did not do it

      • The Fallen Phoenix

        Man, I wish I were on the Yankee conference calls leading up to the deadline so I could talk with such confidence about all the shots the Yankees had to improve the rotation.

    • The Fallen Phoenix

      How does Mitre get a chance to perform if he’s dropped from the rotation, though? Do you send him to the bullpen as the last man – which means he rarely gets into a game – or do you send him back to AAA, where he’s already proven he can pitch well?

  • LiveFromNewYork

    At an 8. This team’s streakiness and tendency to run very hot or very cold is a bit of a concern.

    Hot Yankees are unbeatable. Cold Yankees could be pulverized by a good high school team.

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