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31

Game 131 Spillover Thread II

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Remember when Robinson Cano couldn’t hit with runners in scoring position? Those were the days.

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  1. LivefromNewYork says:

    I hate that siren.

  2. pat says:

    Hahah, Singy pretty much called that shit.

  3. The Artist says:

    You look at the list of players who’ve hit for the cycle and you soon realize its pretty flukey. Some good names on that list but most are forgettable. A bunch of them even did it twice, so its not really all that rare.

    http://www.mlb.com/mlb/history....._for_cycle

    • Drew says:

      I’ll take 2 homers a double and a single any day over a cycle. It is one of the stranger “historic events” in baseball.

      • Scooter says:

        It’s a curiosity that requires (usually) power (HR) and speed (for the triple).

        I’d also think triples were much more common in older ballparks

        Tremendous job by Andy tonight

      • The Artist says:

        You know what’s kind of cool, though?

        “The Natural Cycle”

        Getting the hits (Single/Double/Triple/HR)in order. There’s a few of those on that list.

  4. Bugsy says:

    funny how that happens, huh?

  5. AJ's Chin Music Ensemble says:

    well Swisher need the cycle now…

  6. Nady Nation says:

    pat – I really like Earl Bennett this year

    • pat says:

      Ahh nice, I follow FF alot and have never even heard of him..Thanks.

      • JSquared says:

        Chris Henry from the Bengals.

      • Johan Iz My Brohan says:

        Who are your WRs?

        • John Duci says:

          Percy Harvin, Devin Hester, Chad OchoCinco

        • JSquared says:

          Calvin Johnson and Roddy White on most of my teams, Randy Moss and Greg Jennings Mixed in when one of the first 2 are missing followed by Ochocinco and others as my #3.

        • pat says:

          Boldin, Roy Williams, Santonio Holmes, Steve Breaston, and Devin Hester. Is Bennett gonna be the #1 WR or 2?

          • JSquared says:

            Probably 2, but Forte will get a lot of Run calls and Screen passes, so i wouldnt be surprised to see Hester and Bennett have good years with open field in front of them with the D worrying about Forte.

            • pat says:

              That would be nice, Hester has the skillz to break open a play at any moment.

              • JSquared says:

                Yeah, plus Cutler isn’t afraid to throw it in the Red Zone.

                Seriously though, Chris Henry looks good, might be the #2 and Carson thinks he’s the next big thing because he has his shit straight. If Carson and Marvin Lewis have the confidence, he’s gonna get play calls, pick him up.

                • pat says:

                  Eh, compared to ocho-Dickhead Ted Bundy “has his shit together” but I see your point. He’s definitely a pretty sick athlete too, just has to cut out he bullshit.

      • Moshe Mandel says:

        Ichiro. He could if he wanted to.

      • Nady Nation says:

        He’s the Bears WR2, but he’s an actual receiver so I think he can really flourish with Cutler, since Hester is not a true WR.

        • pat says:

          Oh word ok cool. I took a shot with hester, supposedly he really improved his route running over the offseason. He also led the Bears in targets all of last year so I figured his #’s should imporve with a better QB. Ima put Bennett on watch.

          • Nady Nation says:

            Yup, I have Hester as well. I’ve read the same things, which is why I took him. Plus I feel like his speed will be a good match with Cutler’s cannon, as he’ll be able to just run Go routes and sprint past corners. I’m pretty high on the Bears this year.

  7. Jose says:

    In reply to The Artist:

    I would add Lefty Gomez. He was very good in his prime. Left-handed pitcher with a career .649 win %. 5 World Series rings. 7 WS appearances with a 6-0 record.

    • The Artist says:

      Yeah, but he was very up and down. Big part of some great teams, and played almost his entire career with the Yanks, but a notch below for me.

      The kind of player every Yankee fan should know something about (Lazzeri/Keller/Henrich) but I personally wouldn’t retire his number.

  8. Rockdog says:

    Damn Mora — stat padder.

  9. VO says:

    Baseball rules question. If the first baseman has the ball and dives to the bag and touches it with his empty hand, does it count as an out?

    • Drew says:

      He can step on it for the force. Why not touch it with his hand?

    • I don’t see why it wouldn’t be. As long as he has the ball and it’s a force play and he’s touching the base, it’s all good.

    • WOW says:

      Yes, that’s one of the dumbest questions ever posted anywhere in the history of sports blogs. A first baseman almost NEVER touches the base with his glove and an out is always recorded when he catches the ball and his foot is touching the bag. Why would that ever not be an out? I mean really, are you serious?

      • Jackson says:

        Geez, doesn’t seem necessary to be such a jerk about it, he just asked an innocent question.

        • WOW says:

          An innocent, yet extremely unnecessary question. I mean come on. Not trying to be mean but come on.

        • Cano's A War Hero says:

          Sorry to disagree with everyone else, but that’s a pretty bad question. I didn’t think WOW was that out of line at all.

      • First off, I’m gonna ask you to have a nice tall glass of calm down juice. Second, I’m going to assume he asked because in the situation he described, first basemen usually dive with their glove hands extended to touch the base (probably to avoid being stepped on) so it’s not that outlandish of a question. Third, calm down.

        • VO says:

          “Second, I’m going to assume he asked because in the situation he described, first basemen usually dive with their glove hands”

          Bingo

        • WOW says:

          If you’re defending this question that’s absolutely horrendous on your part. Give me one plausible reason why it wouldn’t count as an out? If you can do that, I will take back my ripping of VO. Until then, it stands.

          • ShuutoHeat says:

            Dude, seriously calm down.
            Are you seriously going to patrol the comments looking for dumb things and then rip the guy who says it?

          • See above. It’s something that rarely happens and considering there are some nuanced rules to the game, it’s not as awful a question as you’re making it out to be. Settle.

          • Moshe Mandel says:

            Here is a plausible reason- if you tag a runner with an empty glove, the runner is safe. Why assume a base should be different than a runner? It is wrong, but it could be a point of confusion.

      • VO says:

        If you don’t care to answer so called “dumb questions” don’t. Clamn the hell down.

        • WOW says:

          I did care to answer and that’s why I answered it. If you don’t like my answer to a question that should not have been asked then please don’t reply to it.

      • Drew says:

        This reeks of douc… damn confinements of RAB.

        • WOW says:

          How does it reek of anything? Look at the question, my 4 y/o nephew who doesn’t understand the game of baseball yet would know the answer to it. Come on guys.

  10. GG says:

    Why is Cano touted on YES broadcasts as a 3 hole type hitter…I know I’m a spoiled NYY fan used to lineups of savvy vets who will see among the most pitches in the league, but if anything I want my 3 guy to see a lot of pitches for my cleanup hitter, not just be there b/c of the pop that Robbie has…maybe a 5 hitter on a lot of good teams?

  11. Accent Shallow says:

    Matt Wieters — not quite Chuck Norris. Not even Steven Seagal.

  12. King of Fruitless Hypotheticals says:

    Haha I read tjsc’s ‘jinked don’t exist’ post, I said outloud ‘it is too relevant!

    Aaaaaaaand hit.

    Fuck you dude. May be the first time Ive disagreed with you.

  13. The Artist says:

    104 pitches.

    Let Andy finish it?

  14. Bugsy says:

    so that’s what melky can do when he’s not bunting.

    • Rockdog says:

      Man, some people do not like just handing the other team an out. Almost as if outs are precious or something.

      /sarcasm

  15. Bob Stone says:

    Will Hughes pitch the ninth?

  16. Salty Buggah says:

    TOR 11 TEX 0 Top 5th

    Fuckin Jays love helping Bahston

  17. Frank Robinson’s year in 1966 was ridiculous. Led the league in R, HR, RBI, BA, OBP, SLG, OPS, OPS+ and TB. My Mo.

  18. WOW says:

    IYO, where does Jeter rank on the all-time yankee list? Who do you put ahead of him?

    • Bob Stone says:

      Ruth, Gehrig, Dimaggio, Berra, Mantle at least . . . maybe I’m missing one other player.

    • Sweet Dick Willie says:

      Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio, Mantle. Possibly Yogi. That’s it.

      • The Artist says:

        That’s mine. I give extra points to Joe D for being a righty playing in an almost unfair Yankee stadium (440 to right-center) and Gehrig extra points for consistency. Mantle was prolific, but was hurt a lot and not the same defensively by the middle of his career. Also, he led all of Baseball in Strikeouts when he retired, which kind of bugs me. Joe D took great pride in almost never striking out, and still put up great numbers.

    • Ahead of him? Off the top of my head: Ruth, Gehrig, Mantle, Joe D.

    • Accent Shallow says:

      Definites:

      Ruth
      DiMaggio
      Mantle
      Berra
      Gehrig

      So . . . 6th? I’m not sure the Yankees have had any pitchers I’d rank above him.

      • Bob Stone says:

        I’d rank Mariano Rivera close to him.

      • WOW says:

        Just curious, what do you think Jeter needs to do to pass any of the 5 you have listed above? I’m not sure I would have Berra listed above though championships carry a lot of weight. However, baseball is very team oriented and Berra did have a pretty impressive back up.

        • leokitty says:

          Yogi Berra is a top *three* catcher of all time. Yes he belongs up there.

        • Accent Shallow says:

          Jeter’s not passing Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio or Mantle unless he maintains his current level of play until he’s 50.

          I think he can pass Berra if he has 3 more solid seasons or so. Obviously more rings would help.

          Alternatively, he could call pitches from SS and get someone to throw a perfect game. (Yes, joking)

      • I don’t think Yogi is definite over Jeter. As much as I love Yogi, I’d put Jeter above him. I’d go:

        Ruth
        Gehrig
        Mantle
        DiMaggio
        Jeter
        Berra
        (everyone else)

      • MikeD says:

        Other guys for consideration include Ford, Lefty Gomez, Donnie Baseball, Bill Dickey and Mariano Rivero. Then, of course, there’s the question of how we’re defining “greatest.” Is it only those who spent their entire careers (or most of it) with the Yankees, or can we include truly great players who only spent part of their careers. For example, as great as Jeter is, I wouldn’t rate him ahead of Rickey Henderson as a player. Others include Dave Winfield and Reggie Jackson.

        • Sweet Dick Willie says:

          Reggie Jackson was a 262 lifetime hitter and struck out more than any other player in history of MLB.

          No way is he better than Jeter.

          • MikeD says:

            BA is not how players are rated. Reggie’s lifetime OPS+ is 139 and was 148 as a Yankee, compared to Jeter’s 121. Big difference.

            That said, Jeter is a SS and since he’s played his entire career for the Yankees he’s ahead of Jackson, who only played for the Yankees for five years.

        • Riddering says:

          To me, a player would have had to spend the majority of his career as a Yankee to be considered for “all time”. I see your point but to put Rickey higher on a Yankee list would be laughable.

          Dave Winfield, OTOH, is automatically stricken from consideration due to BBTN.

          • MikeD says:

            I wouldn’t rate Winfield ahead of Jeter all time, but was just throwing a few more names out there for consideration.

            I wonder if there are some players were totally overlooking here from the NY Highlander days? Jack Chesbro? Willie Keeler?

    • The Artist says:

      Mo did a post on this the other day

      http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/?p=7023

      After Ruth, the top 4 is pretty much a beauty contest. I prefer Joe D and Gehrig over Mantle, but a strong argument could be made for Mick as well. Jeter comes in somewhere after the top 4, nowhere near the same pop as those guys.

    • Jersey says:

      Clay Bellinger.

    • toad says:

      Mattingly, Ford.

      • Jersey says:

        Ford is not ahead of Jeter. And I don’t believe Mattingly is in the top 10.

        • toad says:

          How many World Series shutouts has Jeter thrown?

          And please fill out your Mattingly-less top ten.

          • Mattingly may be in the top ten but there is no way he’s better than Jeter. Absolutely not.

          • And when did Jeter ever get a chance to throw a WS shutout? That’s like asking how many batting titles Red Ruffing won.

          • Jersey says:

            How many World Series home runs has Whitey Ford hit?

            Here’s my list:

            Ruth
            Gehrig
            Mantle
            Joe D.
            Yogi
            Jeter
            Bernie
            Dickey
            Ford
            Ruffing

            • Jersey says:

              I think Toad has fled.

            • toad says:

              In seriousness:

              1. Mattingly’s offensive numbers are quite similar to both Jeter’s and Williams’.

              2. He was an outstanding defensive 1B.

              3. His reputation suffers a bit from lack of post-season play and, obviously, having been on relatively weaker teams than the other names mentioned.

              4. I didn’t claim he was Babe Ruth.

              5. I’ve read lots of expressions of outrage, but not much in the way of solid argument as to why Mattingly doesn’t deserve consideration.

              • 1. Mattingly’s offensive numbers are quite similar to both Jeter’s and Williams’.

                And when you consider the positions they play(ed), it makes Jeter’s and Williams’ numbers that much better than Mattingly’s.

                2. He was an outstanding defensive 1B.

                Which is a good thing, but I don’t think that does enough to out do the offensive output from Jeter and Williams, who did it from premium positions.

                3. His reputation suffers a bit from lack of post-season play and, obviously, having been on relatively weaker teams than the other names mentioned.

                Meh, I don’t think anyone here’s gonna hold that against them. The team’s standing does not set a player’s value in stone (well, MVP voters sadly see it that way) and people here tend to agree with that statement. That said, I still think Jeter and Williams were more valuable/better than Donnie Baseball, as people here tend to think.

                4. I didn’t claim he was Babe Ruth.

                YA HUH!

                /immaturity

                5. I’ve read lots of expressions of outrage, but not much in the way of solid argument as to why Mattingly doesn’t deserve consideration.

                No one’s saying he doesn’t deserve consideration but they, and I, just think he shouldn’t be placed over Jeter. We all love Donnie but we don’t think he’s better than Jeter and should be over him in a Yankee top ten list.

                • Jersey says:

                  In addition to these arguments, it’s worth noting that Bernie not only was able to compile more counting stats than Donnie, but he had seven straight years with a .900+ OPS as a CF, while Donnie had 4 as a 1B.

                  Donnie was an outstanding 1B for a 4-5 years, but Bernie was an outstanding CF for 7-8 years.

            • Not belittling your list, just making a general statement, but Earle Combs needs some love as well. That dude was solid.

      • No way. Give me Jeter over Mattingly every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

        • Sweet Dick Willie says:

          I liked Mattingly as much as the next guy, but how in Mo’s name can he be considered better than Jeter?

  19. Scott Ham says:

    Pesky Orioles? You do realize the Yankees have something like a .650 winning percentage against the Orioles since 1998? Not quite the Angels.

  20. Is this lead Bruney Proof? Let’s find out!

  21. Rey22 says:

    Wow, Jeter is 1/4 today, it actually is possible to get him out several times! With the way he’d been hitting lately, I wasn’t very sure.

  22. Bugsy says:

    i get it. Have Bruney put baserunners on so it becomes a save situation and then have Mo close it out, right? Am I missing something?

  23. Johan Iz My Brohan says:

    Bruney’s velocity is wayy down.

  24. Accent Shallow says:

    Walking the leadoff man with a four run lead? Brilliant!

  25. Riddering says:

    Bunting here is brilliant. :p

  26. Lanny says:

    How does one walk the leadoff batter up by 4 runs?

    Bruney is making sure hes not on the post season roster

  27. pat says:

    Cano keeps his arms very low when he runs. It’s strange.

  28. donttradecano says:

    Anyone listen to the Blueprint 3? Thoughts?

    • WOW says:

      Good, though many of Jay’s cds are like a fine wine and get better over time. Unfortunately I think Run This Town is the best song on the cd.

  29. WOW says:

    And Bruney does his job as the set-up man. Sets up the save situation for Mariano.

  30. pat says:

    Thanks for comin out Brian. SEEYA

  31. BigBlueAL says:

    I think Girardi wanted to get Mo a save so thats why he brought in Bruney to start the 9th.

  32. Rey22 says:

    Would anyone here actually feel comfortable with Bruney coming into anything close to a tight game in the playoffs? I think just seeing him up in the bullpen would make me sweat.

  33. bruny says:

    Bruney=brutal

  34. AndrewYF says:

    Guess whose pitching splits these are:

    Late & Close: .602 OPS in 51 PA
    Tie Game: .243 OPS in 21 PA
    Within 1 Run: .431 OPS in 21 PA
    Within 2 Runs: .573 OPS in 56 PA

  35. Bob Stone says:

    At least Girardi was smart enough to have Mo warming up with Bruney on the mound. Except for the walk, Bruney wasn’t that bad. The hit off him was on a pitch high and outside and it was a seeing eye hit.

  36. Joba or Hughes to the pen says:

    Who needs Mo.We got Robertson,Hughes(every 3 days),EDwar,Coke and Marte to replace Mo as a closer.

    Jeter and Jorge are replaceable.Mo isn’t.Not even Hughes who needs 40 pitches a innings.

  37. Jake H says:

    In 06 the Marlins had a payroll of $14,998,500 in payroll but spent $5.100,000 on the draft. 34%, that’s crazy.

  38. Jersey says:

    Let’s not forget, Bruney’s had a really good month. Hasn’t allowed a run in like 3 weeks.

  39. JSquared says:

    Great Play

  40. Bugsy says:

    another lazy burro catch…

  41. King of Fruitless Hypotheticals says:

    Dear Joe,
    When I told you only Mo could pitch the 9th, I was only kidding

    love,
    Brian

  42. pat says:

    LOOK HOW HE GOES BACK ON POPUPS!!! CANO TO CF!!

  43. Moshe Mandel says:

    Eh, Bruney was not that bad. He walked Roberts on 6 pitches, the last of which was a strike according to Gameday, and then gave up a groundball single on a solid bit of hitting.

  44. Brazilian Yankee says:

    Bruney can’t even retire 3 O’s with a 4-run lead. How pathetic is that…

  45. Salty Buggah says:

    Lazy

  46. Moshe Mandel says:

    Any White Stripes fans here listen to Horehound?

    • Johan Iz My Brohan says:

      Love the White Stripes, but haven’t heard the Death Weather yet. I know they have Dean Fertita from Queens of the Stone Age, which is my favorite band evaaa.

      • Moshe Mandel says:

        Yeah, it seems like it should be a great side project, some excellent talent there. I love The Raconteurs and was really looking forward to Horehound, but just have not gotten around to it due to interview week and such.

    • Jersey says:

      It’s pretty decent. I’ve never been a fan of chick singers, so it loses points from me for that, but it’s pretty quality.

  47. MikeD says:

    Uhh, that was scary. No injuries defense, Tex.

  48. Salty Buggah says:

    Ugh Angel Hernandez is in the series

  49. Drew says:

    Damn, we win a lot.

  50. baravelli says:

    Whenever there’s a pitch that’s both ALmost in the strike zone, and ALmost swung at, I feel like it should be a strike, cumulatively.

  51. Accent Shallow says:

    Yay Mo! Yay win!

    Andy will have to get the no hitter another time.

  52. gxpanos says:

    Another day another dollar.

  53. pat says:

    Swish must have some nice road beef in the Harbor.

  54. WOW says:

    Is that 21-7 for the month?

  55. Jake H says:

    love Swishers post game comments.

  56. Bob Stone says:

    Excellent game all around – pitching, offense, defense (except the Hairston error). I enjoyed this win a lot.

  57. Salty Buggah says:

    A little late but..WIN!

  58. Bob Stone says:

    35 games over .500. .634 win percentage is on pace for 103 wins.

  59. WOW says:

    Anyone see Washburn’s gem today?

  60. Cano's A War Hero says:

    If Cano retired today, he’d be a first ballot HOF. Best 2B EVERRRRRRR.

  61. Jake H says:

    I like Tony Clark’s commentary. Guy is good on T.V.

  62. I noticed music discussion above so I thought I’d chime in with this: Brand New’s new album leaked. I haven’t gotten a hold of it yet, but a friend told me it’s pretty good (but the sound quality is crappy).

  63. Jersey says:

    Texas has scored 8 unanswered runs. Toronto really deserves to wallow in their own crapulence.

  64. Bob Stone says:

    I’d have to seriously consider Pettitte for the number 2 start if the playoffs started tomorrow:

    Pettitte 12-6, 4.03era, 132so, 59bb
    Burnett 10-8, 4.10era, 153so, 80bb

    It would be a tough decision. I’m sure people on this blog would be split down the middle on this choice.

  65. VO says:

    Anybody hear Hairy, and Andy’s interviews? Andy’s was pretty funny.

  66. Tom Zig says:

    32-11 since the ASB…

    That’s beautiful

  67. Tom Zig says:

    With a win tomorrow, Baltimore will be the first team in the majors to be mathematically eliminated from winning their division.

  68. Zack says:

    holy shit, blue jays won that game 18-10
    they put up a fight aganst Tex, but crap out versus Boston, great job guys

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