Aug
31
Game 131 Spillover Thread II
ByRemember when Robinson Cano couldn’t hit with runners in scoring position? Those were the days.
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I hate that siren.
Hahah, Singy pretty much called that shit.
That was pretty amazing.
You look at the list of players who’ve hit for the cycle and you soon realize its pretty flukey. Some good names on that list but most are forgettable. A bunch of them even did it twice, so its not really all that rare.
http://www.mlb.com/mlb/history....._for_cycle
I’ll take 2 homers a double and a single any day over a cycle. It is one of the stranger “historic events” in baseball.
It’s a curiosity that requires (usually) power (HR) and speed (for the triple).
I’d also think triples were much more common in older ballparks
Tremendous job by Andy tonight
You know what’s kind of cool, though?
“The Natural Cycle”
Getting the hits (Single/Double/Triple/HR)in order. There’s a few of those on that list.
funny how that happens, huh?
well Swisher need the cycle now…
pat – I really like Earl Bennett this year
Ahh nice, I follow FF alot and have never even heard of him..Thanks.
Chris Henry from the Bengals.
Who are your WRs?
Percy Harvin, Devin Hester, Chad OchoCinco
Calvin Johnson and Roddy White on most of my teams, Randy Moss and Greg Jennings Mixed in when one of the first 2 are missing followed by Ochocinco and others as my #3.
Boldin, Roy Williams, Santonio Holmes, Steve Breaston, and Devin Hester. Is Bennett gonna be the #1 WR or 2?
Probably 2, but Forte will get a lot of Run calls and Screen passes, so i wouldnt be surprised to see Hester and Bennett have good years with open field in front of them with the D worrying about Forte.
That would be nice, Hester has the skillz to break open a play at any moment.
Yeah, plus Cutler isn’t afraid to throw it in the Red Zone.
Seriously though, Chris Henry looks good, might be the #2 and Carson thinks he’s the next big thing because he has his shit straight. If Carson and Marvin Lewis have the confidence, he’s gonna get play calls, pick him up.
Eh, compared to ocho-Dickhead Ted Bundy “has his shit together” but I see your point. He’s definitely a pretty sick athlete too, just has to cut out he bullshit.
Ichiro. He could if he wanted to.
He’s the Bears WR2, but he’s an actual receiver so I think he can really flourish with Cutler, since Hester is not a true WR.
Oh word ok cool. I took a shot with hester, supposedly he really improved his route running over the offseason. He also led the Bears in targets all of last year so I figured his #’s should imporve with a better QB. Ima put Bennett on watch.
Yup, I have Hester as well. I’ve read the same things, which is why I took him. Plus I feel like his speed will be a good match with Cutler’s cannon, as he’ll be able to just run Go routes and sprint past corners. I’m pretty high on the Bears this year.
In reply to The Artist:
I would add Lefty Gomez. He was very good in his prime. Left-handed pitcher with a career .649 win %. 5 World Series rings. 7 WS appearances with a 6-0 record.
Yeah, but he was very up and down. Big part of some great teams, and played almost his entire career with the Yanks, but a notch below for me.
The kind of player every Yankee fan should know something about (Lazzeri/Keller/Henrich) but I personally wouldn’t retire his number.
Damn Mora — stat padder.
Baseball rules question. If the first baseman has the ball and dives to the bag and touches it with his empty hand, does it count as an out?
He can step on it for the force. Why not touch it with his hand?
doesn’t want to get his shoes dirty duh!
That’s what I figured.
I don’t see why it wouldn’t be. As long as he has the ball and it’s a force play and he’s touching the base, it’s all good.
Yes, that’s one of the dumbest questions ever posted anywhere in the history of sports blogs. A first baseman almost NEVER touches the base with his glove and an out is always recorded when he catches the ball and his foot is touching the bag. Why would that ever not be an out? I mean really, are you serious?
Geez, doesn’t seem necessary to be such a jerk about it, he just asked an innocent question.
An innocent, yet extremely unnecessary question. I mean come on. Not trying to be mean but come on.
Sorry to disagree with everyone else, but that’s a pretty bad question. I didn’t think WOW was that out of line at all.
First off, I’m gonna ask you to have a nice tall glass of calm down juice. Second, I’m going to assume he asked because in the situation he described, first basemen usually dive with their glove hands extended to touch the base (probably to avoid being stepped on) so it’s not that outlandish of a question. Third, calm down.
“Second, I’m going to assume he asked because in the situation he described, first basemen usually dive with their glove hands”
Bingo
If you’re defending this question that’s absolutely horrendous on your part. Give me one plausible reason why it wouldn’t count as an out? If you can do that, I will take back my ripping of VO. Until then, it stands.
Dude, seriously calm down.
Are you seriously going to patrol the comments looking for dumb things and then rip the guy who says it?
See above. It’s something that rarely happens and considering there are some nuanced rules to the game, it’s not as awful a question as you’re making it out to be. Settle.
Here is a plausible reason- if you tag a runner with an empty glove, the runner is safe. Why assume a base should be different than a runner? It is wrong, but it could be a point of confusion.
If you don’t care to answer so called “dumb questions” don’t. Clamn the hell down.
I did care to answer and that’s why I answered it. If you don’t like my answer to a question that should not have been asked then please don’t reply to it.
If you don’t like my question that “shouldn’t have been asked” then please don’t reply to it.
This reeks of douc… damn confinements of RAB.
How does it reek of anything? Look at the question, my 4 y/o nephew who doesn’t understand the game of baseball yet would know the answer to it. Come on guys.
Why is Cano touted on YES broadcasts as a 3 hole type hitter…I know I’m a spoiled NYY fan used to lineups of savvy vets who will see among the most pitches in the league, but if anything I want my 3 guy to see a lot of pitches for my cleanup hitter, not just be there b/c of the pop that Robbie has…maybe a 5 hitter on a lot of good teams?
Well, there is the theory via “The Book” that it’s okay to put a high power/low OBP guy in the 3 hole.
Heh, you said “a 3 hole type”
/Pat’d
hahaha fucker
i could see doing very well in the 2 hole for the NY Mets
*3 hole
Matt Wieters — not quite Chuck Norris. Not even Steven Seagal.
what about Van Damme?
Haha I read tjsc’s ‘jinked don’t exist’ post, I said outloud ‘it is too relevant!
Aaaaaaaand hit.
Fuck you dude. May be the first time Ive disagreed with you.
It’s a nice piece of baseball tradition that adds color.
I say keep it.
104 pitches.
Let Andy finish it?
No way.
Pretty sure Andy’s done – he’s getting congrats in the dugout.
At this point of the season, you keep pitch counts down.
Nah, no reason to tax his arm, just finish up with a reliever.
He’s done. It’s not a perfect game or no hitter, so might as well not.
If this were ten years ago, absolutely. These days? Not necessary.
so that’s what melky can do when he’s not bunting.
Man, some people do not like just handing the other team an out. Almost as if outs are precious or something.
/sarcasm
Will Hughes pitch the ninth?
Bruney maybe?
Nice call
TOR 11 TEX 0 Top 5th
Fuckin Jays love helping Bahston
Frank Robinson’s year in 1966 was ridiculous. Led the league in R, HR, RBI, BA, OBP, SLG, OPS, OPS+ and TB. My Mo.
When he was managing the Nationals, one of his players asked him: “Skip, you ever play?”
Yikes.
What I wish his answer had been: “Yeah, and unlike you I belonged in the majors!”
(Don’t remember who asked him this, but it was a National, so unless it was Zimmerman, odds are it was someone lousy)
Great, great player. If he played in NY he would have been a god.
Not bad for someone who was said to be “an old 30″.
IYO, where does Jeter rank on the all-time yankee list? Who do you put ahead of him?
Ruth, Gehrig, Dimaggio, Berra, Mantle at least . . . maybe I’m missing one other player.
Ransom.
Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio, Mantle. Possibly Yogi. That’s it.
That’s mine. I give extra points to Joe D for being a righty playing in an almost unfair Yankee stadium (440 to right-center) and Gehrig extra points for consistency. Mantle was prolific, but was hurt a lot and not the same defensively by the middle of his career. Also, he led all of Baseball in Strikeouts when he retired, which kind of bugs me. Joe D took great pride in almost never striking out, and still put up great numbers.
Note-Mantle’s been passed by 19 guys since he retired in 1969. Currently 20th on the All Time list. Shows you how much the game has changed.
http://www.baseball-reference......reer.shtml
Ahead of him? Off the top of my head: Ruth, Gehrig, Mantle, Joe D.
Bunting in the bottom of the 9th with a four-run deficit. Genius!
Oops.
Definites:
Ruth
DiMaggio
Mantle
Berra
Gehrig
So . . . 6th? I’m not sure the Yankees have had any pitchers I’d rank above him.
I’d rank Mariano Rivera close to him.
I wouldn’t.
Just curious, what do you think Jeter needs to do to pass any of the 5 you have listed above? I’m not sure I would have Berra listed above though championships carry a lot of weight. However, baseball is very team oriented and Berra did have a pretty impressive back up.
Yogi Berra is a top *three* catcher of all time. Yes he belongs up there.
Agreed, but not because of championships.
Jeter’s not passing Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio or Mantle unless he maintains his current level of play until he’s 50.
I think he can pass Berra if he has 3 more solid seasons or so. Obviously more rings would help.
Alternatively, he could call pitches from SS and get someone to throw a perfect game. (Yes, joking)
I don’t think Yogi is definite over Jeter. As much as I love Yogi, I’d put Jeter above him. I’d go:
Ruth
Gehrig
Mantle
DiMaggio
Jeter
Berra
(everyone else)
Yeah, Berra/Jeter is tough.
Not really. Yogi Berra was a 3 time MVP and finished in the top 5 for 7 straight years. Jeter finished 2nd once and 3rd once.
Voters often make mistakes.
Generally not 7 years in a row.
Talking about in the case of JETER, who is an all-timer, just like Yogi. Not half as clear-cut as you think.
Other guys for consideration include Ford, Lefty Gomez, Donnie Baseball, Bill Dickey and Mariano Rivero. Then, of course, there’s the question of how we’re defining “greatest.” Is it only those who spent their entire careers (or most of it) with the Yankees, or can we include truly great players who only spent part of their careers. For example, as great as Jeter is, I wouldn’t rate him ahead of Rickey Henderson as a player. Others include Dave Winfield and Reggie Jackson.
Reggie Jackson was a 262 lifetime hitter and struck out more than any other player in history of MLB.
No way is he better than Jeter.
BA is not how players are rated. Reggie’s lifetime OPS+ is 139 and was 148 as a Yankee, compared to Jeter’s 121. Big difference.
That said, Jeter is a SS and since he’s played his entire career for the Yankees he’s ahead of Jackson, who only played for the Yankees for five years.
To me, a player would have had to spend the majority of his career as a Yankee to be considered for “all time”. I see your point but to put Rickey higher on a Yankee list would be laughable.
Dave Winfield, OTOH, is automatically stricken from consideration due to BBTN.
I wouldn’t rate Winfield ahead of Jeter all time, but was just throwing a few more names out there for consideration.
I wonder if there are some players were totally overlooking here from the NY Highlander days? Jack Chesbro? Willie Keeler?
Mo did a post on this the other day
http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/?p=7023
After Ruth, the top 4 is pretty much a beauty contest. I prefer Joe D and Gehrig over Mantle, but a strong argument could be made for Mick as well. Jeter comes in somewhere after the top 4, nowhere near the same pop as those guys.
Clay Bellinger.
Mattingly, Ford.
Ford is not ahead of Jeter. And I don’t believe Mattingly is in the top 10.
How many World Series shutouts has Jeter thrown?
And please fill out your Mattingly-less top ten.
Mattingly may be in the top ten but there is no way he’s better than Jeter. Absolutely not.
And when did Jeter ever get a chance to throw a WS shutout? That’s like asking how many batting titles Red Ruffing won.
You’re a pretty concrete thinker, aren’t you? No-nonsense type. I get it.
Huh? I’m just saying it’s pretty ridiculous to compare Jeter’s non-existent pitching numbers to those of the guy who’s probably the best pitcher in the history of the franchise.
Oh yeah. Good point. I never thought of that. I guess you’re right.
How many World Series home runs has Whitey Ford hit?
Here’s my list:
Ruth
Gehrig
Mantle
Joe D.
Yogi
Jeter
Bernie
Dickey
Ford
Ruffing
I think Toad has fled.
i’m here.
In seriousness:
1. Mattingly’s offensive numbers are quite similar to both Jeter’s and Williams’.
2. He was an outstanding defensive 1B.
3. His reputation suffers a bit from lack of post-season play and, obviously, having been on relatively weaker teams than the other names mentioned.
4. I didn’t claim he was Babe Ruth.
5. I’ve read lots of expressions of outrage, but not much in the way of solid argument as to why Mattingly doesn’t deserve consideration.
1. Mattingly’s offensive numbers are quite similar to both Jeter’s and Williams’.
And when you consider the positions they play(ed), it makes Jeter’s and Williams’ numbers that much better than Mattingly’s.
2. He was an outstanding defensive 1B.
Which is a good thing, but I don’t think that does enough to out do the offensive output from Jeter and Williams, who did it from premium positions.
3. His reputation suffers a bit from lack of post-season play and, obviously, having been on relatively weaker teams than the other names mentioned.
Meh, I don’t think anyone here’s gonna hold that against them. The team’s standing does not set a player’s value in stone (well, MVP voters sadly see it that way) and people here tend to agree with that statement. That said, I still think Jeter and Williams were more valuable/better than Donnie Baseball, as people here tend to think.
4. I didn’t claim he was Babe Ruth.
YA HUH!
/immaturity
5. I’ve read lots of expressions of outrage, but not much in the way of solid argument as to why Mattingly doesn’t deserve consideration.
No one’s saying he doesn’t deserve consideration but they, and I, just think he shouldn’t be placed over Jeter. We all love Donnie but we don’t think he’s better than Jeter and should be over him in a Yankee top ten list.
In addition to these arguments, it’s worth noting that Bernie not only was able to compile more counting stats than Donnie, but he had seven straight years with a .900+ OPS as a CF, while Donnie had 4 as a 1B.
Donnie was an outstanding 1B for a 4-5 years, but Bernie was an outstanding CF for 7-8 years.
Not belittling your list, just making a general statement, but Earle Combs needs some love as well. That dude was solid.
Totally agree. He’s definitely in the next 10.
No way. Give me Jeter over Mattingly every day of the week and twice on Sundays.
I liked Mattingly as much as the next guy, but how in Mo’s name can he be considered better than Jeter?
Pesky Orioles? You do realize the Yankees have something like a .650 winning percentage against the Orioles since 1998? Not quite the Angels.
Is this lead Bruney Proof? Let’s find out!
Leadoff walk…here we go.
Joe G doesn’t think so.
Wow, Jeter is 1/4 today, it actually is possible to get him out several times! With the way he’d been hitting lately, I wasn’t very sure.
He’s toning it down a bit just to break the hit record in NY. Then, the 3/4 nights will resume.
I’m at next Monday’s game, so a nice 10-hit road trip would set things up nicely.
one of them was a lineout
i get it. Have Bruney put baserunners on so it becomes a save situation and then have Mo close it out, right? Am I missing something?
Bruney’s velocity is wayy down.
He just threw the last pitch at 96mph.
Gameday has everything at 91-92
Walking the leadoff man with a four run lead? Brilliant!
Bunting here is brilliant. :p
How does one walk the leadoff batter up by 4 runs?
Bruney is making sure hes not on the post season roster
Cano keeps his arms very low when he runs. It’s strange.
He’s too lazy to pick ‘em up…Typical.
lifting his arms would require work…
Anyone listen to the Blueprint 3? Thoughts?
Good, though many of Jay’s cds are like a fine wine and get better over time. Unfortunately I think Run This Town is the best song on the cd.
Young Forever is kinda my favorite so far… and a star is born… not his best work, but not his worst.
And Bruney does his job as the set-up man. Sets up the save situation for Mariano.
IETC
who are you? It seems like you’re a regular pessimist that posts here but you changed your name to WOW.
Not a pessimist at all, there was sarcasm behind that. I love when Mo gets a save, happy Bruney did his job.
yeah.
Thanks for comin out Brian. SEEYA
I think Girardi wanted to get Mo a save so thats why he brought in Bruney to start the 9th.
He wanted Mo and Andy to put away that record.
LOL thats right forgot about that!!
Would anyone here actually feel comfortable with Bruney coming into anything close to a tight game in the playoffs? I think just seeing him up in the bullpen would make me sweat.
Bruney=brutal
no no no, it’s br00talz
Guess whose pitching splits these are:
Late & Close: .602 OPS in 51 PA
Tie Game: .243 OPS in 21 PA
Within 1 Run: .431 OPS in 21 PA
Within 2 Runs: .573 OPS in 56 PA
Hughes? Mariano? …No?
Nope. Bruney. The outbursts of “Bruney sucks! OMG!” whenever he does anything wrong is getting stupid.
At least Girardi was smart enough to have Mo warming up with Bruney on the mound. Except for the walk, Bruney wasn’t that bad. The hit off him was on a pitch high and outside and it was a seeing eye hit.
Who needs Mo.We got Robertson,Hughes(every 3 days),EDwar,Coke and Marte to replace Mo as a closer.
Jeter and Jorge are replaceable.Mo isn’t.Not even Hughes who needs 40 pitches a innings.
You keep beating that strawman.
You have to start talking about something else, because you contribute absolutely nothing to the discussion on this site.
Can you please change your name to “Joba and Hughes to the pen”?
Thanks.
Don’t you get bored of this? Seriously, how is this still entertaining to you?
In 06 the Marlins had a payroll of $14,998,500 in payroll but spent $5.100,000 on the draft. 34%, that’s crazy.
Let’s not forget, Bruney’s had a really good month. Hasn’t allowed a run in like 3 weeks.
Yes, but would you give him the ball in a tight spot in the playoffs?
I’d give it to him over anyone but Hughes or Mariano. He’s been money in high-leverage situations.
he’s got about a month left to prove himself.
I might, depending on this next month, as stated.
Great Play
another lazy burro catch…
Dear Joe,
When I told you only Mo could pitch the 9th, I was only kidding
love,
Brian
LOOK HOW HE GOES BACK ON POPUPS!!! CANO TO CF!!
Eh, Bruney was not that bad. He walked Roberts on 6 pitches, the last of which was a strike according to Gameday, and then gave up a groundball single on a solid bit of hitting.
no but some like to overreact
THat pitch was definately not a strike. And the 5th pitch of the AB was not a strike as well. Bruney had shitty command as usual.
I’m going to trust Gameday over your opinion. No offense, but it is more likely to be accurate than the naked eye.
Save situation, Mo comes in automatically.
Bruney can’t even retire 3 O’s with a 4-run lead. How pathetic is that…
Well, I think he’d have been able to get them if they hadn’t brought in Mo.
Lazy
Any White Stripes fans here listen to Horehound?
Love the White Stripes, but haven’t heard the Death Weather yet. I know they have Dean Fertita from Queens of the Stone Age, which is my favorite band evaaa.
Yeah, it seems like it should be a great side project, some excellent talent there. I love The Raconteurs and was really looking forward to Horehound, but just have not gotten around to it due to interview week and such.
It’s pretty decent. I’ve never been a fan of chick singers, so it loses points from me for that, but it’s pretty quality.
Does she (Mosshart) do most of the vocals?
Yeah, pretty much all of them IIRC.
Uhh, that was scary. No injuries defense, Tex.
Ugh Angel Hernandez is in the series
Damn, we win a lot.
Whenever there’s a pitch that’s both ALmost in the strike zone, and ALmost swung at, I feel like it should be a strike, cumulatively.
Yay Mo! Yay win!
Andy will have to get the no hitter another time.
Another day another dollar.
Swish must have some nice road beef in the Harbor.
Does he need road beef?
http://www.bittenandbound.com/.....amba-6.jpg
Hah, very true, you never know though she might not go on the road with him.
I was under the impression that all baseball players cheat on their wives and girlfriends, regardless of how attractive said woman is.
Is that 21-7 for the month?
Yes – exactly – 21-7 for the month. Great baseball.
love Swishers post game comments.
Excellent game all around – pitching, offense, defense (except the Hairston error). I enjoyed this win a lot.
A little late but..WIN!
35 games over .500. .634 win percentage is on pace for 103 wins.
Anyone see Washburn’s gem today?
If Cano retired today, he’d be a first ballot HOF. Best 2B EVERRRRRRR.
WTF???
Cano is the greatest second baseman ever. When he retires, his numbers will put every other second baseman to shame, he’s revolutionizing the position.
I like Tony Clark’s commentary. Guy is good on T.V.
I noticed music discussion above so I thought I’d chime in with this: Brand New’s new album leaked. I haven’t gotten a hold of it yet, but a friend told me it’s pretty good (but the sound quality is crappy).
http://instantcrickets.com/
Texas has scored 8 unanswered runs. Toronto really deserves to wallow in their own crapulence.
hey, look. marlon byrd is still batting clean up.
I’d have to seriously consider Pettitte for the number 2 start if the playoffs started tomorrow:
Pettitte 12-6, 4.03era, 132so, 59bb
Burnett 10-8, 4.10era, 153so, 80bb
It would be a tough decision. I’m sure people on this blog would be split down the middle on this choice.
Like I said, it depends on the matchups and who’s been doing well leading up to that series.
`Agreed.
A good point was brought up before. With Burnett being a strike out pitcher and the Yankees likely having home field advantage, it makes more sense to have Pettitte start on the road in Game 3. Thought your point is certainly valid.
Starting Pettitte on the road makes sense.
Anybody hear Hairy, and Andy’s interviews? Andy’s was pretty funny.
32-11 since the ASB…
That’s beautiful
With a win tomorrow, Baltimore will be the first team in the majors to be mathematically eliminated from winning their division.
holy shit, blue jays won that game 18-10
they put up a fight aganst Tex, but crap out versus Boston, great job guys
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