Comments on: Getting more or less what the Yanks paid for http://riveraveblues.com/2009/08/getting-more-or-less-what-the-yanks-paid-for-16118/ A New York Yankees Blog Wed, 15 Feb 2012 07:19:25 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: King of Fruitless Hypotheticals http://riveraveblues.com/2009/08/getting-more-or-less-what-the-yanks-paid-for-16118/#comment-540238 King of Fruitless Hypotheticals Thu, 20 Aug 2009 01:37:21 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=16118#comment-540238 cause the Yanks arent paying them equally...its a measure of VALUE to the TEAM. (i'm shouting those words cause its loud here, and i hope you can hear them) If the Ynaks were paying Centerfielder A $12M and he was producing what Grit Gritner were producing, the Ynaks would only be getting what they were owed...no more, no less. A good signing? Sure. Amazing? No. You can also infer that the Ynaks could have paid some other pitcher (Smoltz, Sheets, Durschererrer) $12M and if he performed exactly like Allen James, they would only be getting exactly their money's worth. Since AJ is paid more, he's underperforming his contract. Each time you move one step away from its primary use (comparing a player's value to his salary from the team's perspective) it is a little less exact and useful tool. Comparing a greatly overperforming position player and a marginally underperforming superstar pitcher is pretty difficult here. Can we go compare 2 pitchers of AJ's quality and 2 OF of BG's quality and see how they do? cause the Yanks arent paying them equally…its a measure of VALUE to the TEAM. (i’m shouting those words cause its loud here, and i hope you can hear them)

If the Ynaks were paying Centerfielder A $12M and he was producing what Grit Gritner were producing, the Ynaks would only be getting what they were owed…no more, no less. A good signing? Sure. Amazing? No.

You can also infer that the Ynaks could have paid some other pitcher (Smoltz, Sheets, Durschererrer) $12M and if he performed exactly like Allen James, they would only be getting exactly their money’s worth. Since AJ is paid more, he’s underperforming his contract.

Each time you move one step away from its primary use (comparing a player’s value to his salary from the team’s perspective) it is a little less exact and useful tool. Comparing a greatly overperforming position player and a marginally underperforming superstar pitcher is pretty difficult here.

Can we go compare 2 pitchers of AJ’s quality and 2 OF of BG’s quality and see how they do?

]]> By: King of Fruitless Hypotheticals http://riveraveblues.com/2009/08/getting-more-or-less-what-the-yanks-paid-for-16118/#comment-540230 King of Fruitless Hypotheticals Thu, 20 Aug 2009 01:28:25 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=16118#comment-540230 a) is all the payroll evenly split between every league, conference, division? are the games played perfectly split by payroll value? are all other teams giving and getting exactly the right values giving us a scientifically sterile environment in which we can evaluate our specific inflation-adjusted, geographically cost-of-living adjusted "value" of our players' performance? did they account for merchandising? the glory of setting records? future merchandising based on a hall of pretty good algorithm? 2)or, george pays lots of money, and he's winning, and that makes all of us a very happy byproduct? i'll take number two cause I SEE THAT WITH MY OWN EYES. a) is all the payroll evenly split between every league, conference, division? are the games played perfectly split by payroll value? are all other teams giving and getting exactly the right values giving us a scientifically sterile environment in which we can evaluate our specific inflation-adjusted, geographically cost-of-living adjusted “value” of our players’ performance? did they account for merchandising? the glory of setting records? future merchandising based on a hall of pretty good algorithm?

2)or, george pays lots of money, and he’s winning, and that makes all of us a very happy byproduct?

i’ll take number two cause I SEE THAT WITH MY OWN EYES.

]]> By: King of Fruitless Hypotheticals http://riveraveblues.com/2009/08/getting-more-or-less-what-the-yanks-paid-for-16118/#comment-540226 King of Fruitless Hypotheticals Thu, 20 Aug 2009 01:22:47 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=16118#comment-540226 works great by first base field level side for the even innings. good luck! works great by first base field level side for the even innings.

good luck!

]]> By: King of Fruitless Hypotheticals http://riveraveblues.com/2009/08/getting-more-or-less-what-the-yanks-paid-for-16118/#comment-540223 King of Fruitless Hypotheticals Thu, 20 Aug 2009 01:21:18 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=16118#comment-540223 mmm...dont know this guy. was he the one that shot his driver with a shotgun? mmm…dont know this guy. was he the one that shot his driver with a shotgun?

]]> By: King of Fruitless Hypotheticals http://riveraveblues.com/2009/08/getting-more-or-less-what-the-yanks-paid-for-16118/#comment-540219 King of Fruitless Hypotheticals Thu, 20 Aug 2009 01:19:59 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=16118#comment-540219 or, you could have said: i never projected Cano that high...what a great surprise! or, you could have said:

i never projected Cano that high…what a great surprise!

]]> By: Tony http://riveraveblues.com/2009/08/getting-more-or-less-what-the-yanks-paid-for-16118/#comment-540128 Tony Thu, 20 Aug 2009 00:28:36 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=16118#comment-540128 Because it makes no sense that you would have the highest payroll in baseball by far, yet be up only 1.5 on the second highest paid team. It is then safe to assume that almost every good team in baseball is being "underpaid," and from there it's safe to say that the WAR-$ model they're using is off. Because it makes no sense that you would have the highest payroll in baseball by far, yet be up only 1.5 on the second highest paid team. It is then safe to assume that almost every good team in baseball is being “underpaid,” and from there it’s safe to say that the WAR-$ model they’re using is off.

]]> By: Slugger27 http://riveraveblues.com/2009/08/getting-more-or-less-what-the-yanks-paid-for-16118/#comment-540058 Slugger27 Wed, 19 Aug 2009 23:22:17 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=16118#comment-540058 all good points all good points

]]> By: Pablo Zevallos http://riveraveblues.com/2009/08/getting-more-or-less-what-the-yanks-paid-for-16118/#comment-540056 Pablo Zevallos Wed, 19 Aug 2009 23:21:33 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=16118#comment-540056 Heh. When I got to "J. Walter Fulbright," I thought you had written "J. William Fulbright" Heh. When I got to “J. Walter Fulbright,” I thought you had written “J. William Fulbright”

]]> By: Slugger27 http://riveraveblues.com/2009/08/getting-more-or-less-what-the-yanks-paid-for-16118/#comment-540047 Slugger27 Wed, 19 Aug 2009 23:16:46 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=16118#comment-540047 <b>It doesn’t imply that Gardner is more valuable as a baseball player to the Yanks than Burnett is</b> i guess im just not understanding the chart then... burnett is making 16.5M this year, and the chart has him around 4M under that... which would imply hes worth 12.5M the chart has gardner worth 12M more than his 500,000 contract... which would imply hes worth 12.5M if the chart says both are playing at a level thats worth 12.5M to the yankees, how is the chart saying theyre not equal in value to the yankees? It doesn’t imply that Gardner is more valuable as a baseball player to the Yanks than Burnett is

i guess im just not understanding the chart then… burnett is making 16.5M this year, and the chart has him around 4M under that… which would imply hes worth 12.5M

the chart has gardner worth 12M more than his 500,000 contract… which would imply hes worth 12.5M

if the chart says both are playing at a level thats worth 12.5M to the yankees, how is the chart saying theyre not equal in value to the yankees?

]]> By: Benjamin Kabak http://riveraveblues.com/2009/08/getting-more-or-less-what-the-yanks-paid-for-16118/#comment-540038 Benjamin Kabak Wed, 19 Aug 2009 23:07:42 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=16118#comment-540038 <em>this implies brett gardner is just as valuable to the yanks as burnett, which we all know is ridiculous</em> It doesn't imply that Gardner is more valuable as a baseball player to the Yanks than Burnett is. It implies that Gardner is providing a better return on the investment than Burnett is right now based on their respective salaries and contributions. Money aside, Burnett has been more valuable to the Yanks this year than Gardner. But this illuminates the divide between one pitcher and one position player. Guys who bat 500 times a year and are good at it will be more valuable than pitchers who throw 6-7 innings once every five days. this implies brett gardner is just as valuable to the yanks as burnett, which we all know is ridiculous

It doesn’t imply that Gardner is more valuable as a baseball player to the Yanks than Burnett is. It implies that Gardner is providing a better return on the investment than Burnett is right now based on their respective salaries and contributions. Money aside, Burnett has been more valuable to the Yanks this year than Gardner.

But this illuminates the divide between one pitcher and one position player. Guys who bat 500 times a year and are good at it will be more valuable than pitchers who throw 6-7 innings once every five days.

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