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	<title>Comments on: Is Derek Jeter the best hitting shortstop ever?</title>
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		<title>By: Thank You Michael Lewis</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2009/08/is-derek-jeter-the-best-hitting-shortstop-ever-16107/#comment-541745</link>
		<dc:creator>Thank You Michael Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 19:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to say first that I love Jeter as a player and am so happy to have watched him over the years.

That said, articles like this one in the Daily News are absurd.  How can the author just discount Alex Rodriguez because he switched positions?  The author takes the approach that SS is a defensive-oriented position (true) and so history shouldn&#039;t reward the mashers that were hitting well to keep them at short until they were too poor defensively.

Had Arod&#039;s defense fallen off a cliff and he was forced out of shortstop, then I could understand the consideration.  But, not only is the assertion patently false, but it&#039;s ironic in that Jeter was the poorer fielder.

ARod moved to 3B not because of eroded skills, but because he wanted to play on the Yankees and it would be a PR nightmare to replace Jeter at short (though it would have been optimal).

UZR only goes back to 2002, but in those final two years of Arod at short, here is how the two players measured.

2002
ARod: 12.6, Jeter: -0.2.   In fact, the second highest UZR was Edgar Renteria with a 7.3.  Arod&#039;s UZR was 73% more productive than the second best!

2003:
Arod: 10.9, Jeter -2.2.  Arod had the second highest UZR behind Adam Everett, who is regarded by many as today&#039;s version of Ozzie Smith.

Jeter has never approached those fielding numbers and 2009 is the only season in which he rated well.   At best, Jeter was about an average shortstop.  At worst, he was considered by many as the worst defensive shortstop in the game.

UZR is not the only metric to consider, but it&#039;s clear to anyone that tracked defense that Arod blew away Jeter. 

Arod was not only one of the best hitters in the game, but he was consistently one of the best fielding shortstops in the game.  Plus, he played several years at short, enough to qualify his hitting as all-time elite.

To exclude him from contention because he sacrificed his position for the Yankees is a dubious way to write headlines that Yankees fans will want to read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to say first that I love Jeter as a player and am so happy to have watched him over the years.</p>
<p>That said, articles like this one in the Daily News are absurd.  How can the author just discount Alex Rodriguez because he switched positions?  The author takes the approach that SS is a defensive-oriented position (true) and so history shouldn&#8217;t reward the mashers that were hitting well to keep them at short until they were too poor defensively.</p>
<p>Had Arod&#8217;s defense fallen off a cliff and he was forced out of shortstop, then I could understand the consideration.  But, not only is the assertion patently false, but it&#8217;s ironic in that Jeter was the poorer fielder.</p>
<p>ARod moved to 3B not because of eroded skills, but because he wanted to play on the Yankees and it would be a PR nightmare to replace Jeter at short (though it would have been optimal).</p>
<p>UZR only goes back to 2002, but in those final two years of Arod at short, here is how the two players measured.</p>
<p>2002<br />
ARod: 12.6, Jeter: -0.2.   In fact, the second highest UZR was Edgar Renteria with a 7.3.  Arod&#8217;s UZR was 73% more productive than the second best!</p>
<p>2003:<br />
Arod: 10.9, Jeter -2.2.  Arod had the second highest UZR behind Adam Everett, who is regarded by many as today&#8217;s version of Ozzie Smith.</p>
<p>Jeter has never approached those fielding numbers and 2009 is the only season in which he rated well.   At best, Jeter was about an average shortstop.  At worst, he was considered by many as the worst defensive shortstop in the game.</p>
<p>UZR is not the only metric to consider, but it&#8217;s clear to anyone that tracked defense that Arod blew away Jeter. </p>
<p>Arod was not only one of the best hitters in the game, but he was consistently one of the best fielding shortstops in the game.  Plus, he played several years at short, enough to qualify his hitting as all-time elite.</p>
<p>To exclude him from contention because he sacrificed his position for the Yankees is a dubious way to write headlines that Yankees fans will want to read.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2009/08/is-derek-jeter-the-best-hitting-shortstop-ever-16107/#comment-540247</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 01:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No he didn&#039;t. He bulked up for the 2006 season, and it was noticeable. He was consistently beaten by fastballs up and in, before he lost some of the bulk for 2007 and had a noticeably quicker bat. A-Rod was and always will be better with a quicker bat, so I don&#039;t think you would have seen a decent drop in production until his mid to late 30&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No he didn&#8217;t. He bulked up for the 2006 season, and it was noticeable. He was consistently beaten by fastballs up and in, before he lost some of the bulk for 2007 and had a noticeably quicker bat. A-Rod was and always will be better with a quicker bat, so I don&#8217;t think you would have seen a decent drop in production until his mid to late 30&#8242;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Moshe Mandel</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2009/08/is-derek-jeter-the-best-hitting-shortstop-ever-16107/#comment-540117</link>
		<dc:creator>Moshe Mandel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 00:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because he had already bulked up in Texas. And if he does not bulk up, ho is to say he produces at the same level? Or that he doesn&#039;t break down?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because he had already bulked up in Texas. And if he does not bulk up, ho is to say he produces at the same level? Or that he doesn&#8217;t break down?</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2009/08/is-derek-jeter-the-best-hitting-shortstop-ever-16107/#comment-540109</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 00:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Jackson:&lt;/b&gt; But Uncle Derek... I want to party like you do! I want to get my Bone on!
&lt;b&gt;Jeter:&lt;/b&gt; I guess you are becoming a man now, Austin. My, where do the years go.
Now, you have to understand, getting one&#039;s Bone on is a big responsibility! 
Are you sure you&#039;re ready?
&lt;b&gt;Jackson:&lt;/b&gt; I... I think so. I even have some cologne.
&lt;b&gt;Jeter:&lt;/b&gt; Never mind cologne! Have you got a jimmy hat? 
&lt;b&gt;Jackson:&lt;/b&gt; Y-yes.
&lt;b&gt;Jeter:&lt;/b&gt; Good! Now... you know how to put the jimmy onto your wee-wee, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Jackson:</b> But Uncle Derek&#8230; I want to party like you do! I want to get my Bone on!<br />
<b>Jeter:</b> I guess you are becoming a man now, Austin. My, where do the years go.<br />
Now, you have to understand, getting one&#8217;s Bone on is a big responsibility!<br />
Are you sure you&#8217;re ready?<br />
<b>Jackson:</b> I&#8230; I think so. I even have some cologne.<br />
<b>Jeter:</b> Never mind cologne! Have you got a jimmy hat?<br />
<b>Jackson:</b> Y-yes.<br />
<b>Jeter:</b> Good! Now&#8230; you know how to put the jimmy onto your wee-wee, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2009/08/is-derek-jeter-the-best-hitting-shortstop-ever-16107/#comment-540074</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 23:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who&#039;s to say that A-Rod doesn&#039;t stay the same skinny guy he was at SS? It was only after his move to 3B that he put on the muscle to keep his power well into his 30&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who&#8217;s to say that A-Rod doesn&#8217;t stay the same skinny guy he was at SS? It was only after his move to 3B that he put on the muscle to keep his power well into his 30&#8242;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Moshe Mandel</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2009/08/is-derek-jeter-the-best-hitting-shortstop-ever-16107/#comment-540072</link>
		<dc:creator>Moshe Mandel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 23:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looking at their body types, it seems evident at this point that it was the right choice. If Jeter had moved, he probably would be moving back right about now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking at their body types, it seems evident at this point that it was the right choice. If Jeter had moved, he probably would be moving back right about now.</p>
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		<title>By: Accent Shallow</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2009/08/is-derek-jeter-the-best-hitting-shortstop-ever-16107/#comment-540051</link>
		<dc:creator>Accent Shallow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 23:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He&#039;s not the best shortstop of all time, but he&#039;s top 5 (or top 3, if you believe Moshe).  He&#039;s not exactly chopped liver.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s not the best shortstop of all time, but he&#8217;s top 5 (or top 3, if you believe Moshe).  He&#8217;s not exactly chopped liver.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2009/08/is-derek-jeter-the-best-hitting-shortstop-ever-16107/#comment-540048</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 23:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A-Rod and Wagner are the two best hitting SS of all-time. It&#039;s too bad the team player A-Rod was nice enough to change positions even though he was the superior offensive and defensive player at the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A-Rod and Wagner are the two best hitting SS of all-time. It&#8217;s too bad the team player A-Rod was nice enough to change positions even though he was the superior offensive and defensive player at the time.</p>
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		<title>By: Moshe Mandel</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2009/08/is-derek-jeter-the-best-hitting-shortstop-ever-16107/#comment-540043</link>
		<dc:creator>Moshe Mandel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 23:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Jeter&#039;s greatest strength aside, the other guy&#039;s career is better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Jeter&#8217;s greatest strength aside, the other guy&#8217;s career is better.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2009/08/is-derek-jeter-the-best-hitting-shortstop-ever-16107/#comment-540009</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We want him to be called the best shortstop ever by the time he retires. That kind of campaign needs to begin well in advance. In fact, we should have started a few years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We want him to be called the best shortstop ever by the time he retires. That kind of campaign needs to begin well in advance. In fact, we should have started a few years ago.</p>
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