Jeter mum on next deal

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Over the last few weeks, we’ve toasted Derek Jeter. I hosted an appreciation thread before going on vacation while Joe praised his defense and examined whether or not the Captain has been the team’s MVP.

Since then, Derek’s marvelous season has continued. He enters tonight’s action hitting .315/.384/.450 with 73 runs scored, 13 home runs, a 119 OPS+ and 20 stolen bases in 24 attempts. At age 35, when he should be slowing down, Derek is doing anything but that, and he is also flashing above average defense at short, a far improvement from his recent showings with the glove.

Over the last few months, we’ve touched upon the Derek Jeter question. He signed a lucrative 10-year $189-million contract back in February of 2001, and in a little over 13 months, he will be a 36-year-old free agent short stop.

Recently, Times scribe Jack Curry tackled the issue of Jeter’s contract status. He wrote:

As vital as Jeter has been to the organization since becoming the starter in 1996, the Yankees soon must decide how much he is worth to them. Jeter’s 10-year, $189 million contract expires after the 2010 season, but the Yankees have not formally approached him about an extension. “I haven’t even thought about it,” Jeter said…

If Jeter agreed to an extension with the Yankees, he would know what his future held beyond 2010. Knowing that he was signed after 2010 might give Jeter more security, but he did not seem worried about it. “It’s 2009,” Jeter said. “It’s not 2010.” Then Jeter paused before adding, “Or 2011.”

By mentioning 2011, Jeter was seemingly intimating that he just needs to know where he is playing before then. But it would be surprising if the Yankees let Jeter’s future remain unsettled during next season. The Yankees do not want Jeter, their team captain and a player who has helped them win four titles, to be a lame duck in 2010. It would be a chronic distraction.

Although Jeter said the Yankees had not discussed the future with him, the team has discussed Jeter’s status internally. The Yankees want to re-sign Jeter, 35, so he can collect his 3,000th hit with them and presumably retire as a Yankee. Jeter, who has 2,674 hits, cannot envision playing elsewhere.

According to Curry, the Yankees want to sign Jeter to a two-year deal. Considering, though, that Jorge Posada and Mariano Rivera both received long-term deals when they were older than Jeter will be, the Yanks will probably have to give Derek at least a third year and probably more dollars than those two received.

Will a three-year, $45-million deal get the job done? Is it too much? With Jeter, the Yanks will be paying for what he has done and not necessarily what he will do. He is a big enough name, though, and a big enough draw that they can afford to do so. I wouldn’t be too surprised to see an extension in place this winter, well ahead of Jeter’s free agency.

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  • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

    I’m not quite sure why, but I think an extension in the offseason would surprise me a good deal.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Benjamin Kabak

      I don’t think they’re going to wait with Jeter until after next year. Just a hunch. I could be wrong.

      • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

        Word, I could see that. It would definitely avoid a lot of hassle.

      • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

        offs please dont. get that stuff over with so he doesnt get all prissy pissy with reporters saying he just doesnt care.

        remember, we may still be arguing about our fifth starter being gaudin, mitre, towers, when is ipk coming back or thank Mo Hinske’s still here with Arod still recovering.

        i dont want any Jeterian interruptions of those discussions.

  • Matt

    They’ll resign him and he will retire a Yankee. Both sides need to stay with each other otherwise the fans will all riot. Seeing Jeter in another team’s uniform would be a disaster for the Yanks.

    • NYY626

      Tears and rioting would likely ensue.

      • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

        I would lead the riot.

        • ShuutoHeat

          *grabs* knives
          I’m with you.

          • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

            i’ll lead the crying.

            i’m an eater not a fighter.

            • Aaron Boone

              I would cry too.

              But I’m also a fighter…so don’t get any ideas, Cashman.

        • Slugger27

          ill be right behind u… i dont care that the guy is likely to decline, and i dont care if according to WAR he isnt worth 18 mill or whatever, i want him as a yankee for his entire career

          • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

            Exactly.

          • jsbrendog

            and this is how you ruin a team and hamstring a budget.

            emotion cannot playa part in negotiations.

            • TJ

              Are you saying that you don’t agree that the Yankees should do anything they can to keep Jeter a Yankee?

              • jsbrendog

                i believe they should do their best but if he regresses next year and expects 4 years at $18+ then let him go see what he can find out there and then just beat it. because it will not be anywhere near what he expects.

                • jsbrendog

                  by beat it i mean the paltry offers he will receive from other teams, not insinuating jeter “beat it”

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  Yeah I was kind of joking, although I wouldn’t be unhappy to see it happen.

            • Slugger27

              ruin a team and hamstring a budget??

              the guys the most popular yankee EVER, and its not like he doesnt deserve it…. the guys been a top 4 offensive SS every year for his entire career, never gets hurt, is a leader on and off the field, and hes arguably the team MVP for the 09 season

              i dont think overpaying him by a few million per season will “ruin the team”

              • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                Most popular Yankee EVER?

                Ruth dimmaggio, Mantle, Mattingly, and of course Mo may have something to say about that.

                • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

                  hmm…i would be combined they’re only has popular as Jetes (although Mo has been my fave for years).

                  keeping him a Yankee is bigger than fielding.

                  On a related note, Marketing says ‘hi!’

                • Slugger27

                  Ruth dimmaggio, Mantle, Mattingly, and of course Mo may have something to say about that.

                  id argue hes more popular than any of them, but we can agree to disagree… the point was that i dont care if mathematical studies say hes only worth about 13-14 million per year, i want him on the yanks, and if it takes overpaying him by 2-4 million per year to keep him a yankee for his career, the yanks should do it

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  Ruth was one of the most poular people in AMERICAN history, not baseball history. I get your point, but Jeet is not more popular than Ruth.

                • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

                  sure, i’ll argue against you here.

                  America now>>>>>>America then.

                  i dont know if we’re confusing popular with well known or recognized at this point either.

                  ie, my wife knows who babe ruth was, but she likes jeter.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  You don’t get how popular Ruth was.

                  He was more poular in his time than Elvis, Michael Jackson, and Jeter are. He was probably the frst ever megacelebrity. Jeter is poular but Ruth was a veritable god.

              • jsbrendog

                your comment is basically you dont care what he is worth sign him for 18+ million just because he should be a yankee. it is this sentimentality that leads to emotional signings of regressing older players for too much money and too many years in an immoveable contract that restricts future moves of a team on a budget, which, if you have been following, the yankees are most certainly a team on a budget. a tight one at that it seems.

                if jeter regresses next year then he gets paid what he is worth, maybe a couple mill over, but no more than 2 years, third an option (maybe 3 at most). if he doesnt, give him his 3 yrs at 18 mil.

                but there are too many variables to had him 20 mill a yr for 3/4 yrs this offseason. what if he goes out in ’10 and plays defense like 07 and htis like he did after the hand injury last year? that thats jeter….and his new contract didn’t even start yet..at 4 years…80 mill…..

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  Again, I’m not being really serious if Jose Reyes is available.

                  But I also wouldn’t be too upset if it happened.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  As in, if they signed him for too much when he’s not worth that much.

                  It’s a bad baseball move and clearly shouldn’t be done, but he’s JETER.

                • Slugger27

                  jsbrendog, im not saying pay the guy whatever he wants no matter what

                  the bottom line is that hes still a GREAT player… the best SS in the AL

                  my point was that hes at the very least gonna want a little better than what posada got, and the yanks shouldnt play hardball with him

                  have u seen the SS prospects the yanks have in the system? they need him as much as he needs them and probably more… in his age 36-39 seasons hes probably only worth 14-15 mill based on performance

                  but as i was saying, if the guy wants 17-18 per year, give it to him…

  • YankeeScribe

    They should give him a 3 to 4 year contract as long as he is willing to move to the outfield if his defense becomes a liability. In his last ESPN interview, he didn’t want to entertain the question of whether or not he stays at shortstop. Right now, his defense isn’t an issue but who knows how fast he’ll decline as he approaches 40?

  • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime

    FWIW, Joe didn’t call him the team’s MVP…

  • Steve S

    The question of whether and how much he resigns for I think is the lesser of three major ones. The other two are the real issues (i) how much off the $20M AAV will he be willing to take; (ii) what position will he be playing if the K goes for beyond 2 or three years? Leads to the next question is who is realistically going to be the shortstop in say 2012 or 2013? JJ Hardy hasnt really distinguished himself. And I think there is one major, major name that could present itself- 2012 Jose Reyes at age 29.

    • jsbrendog

      no thank you to jose reyes.

      • Lanny

        Reyes will only be in his prime. A leadoff hitter with power. A good def SS. And prob most important someone who has proven he can play in NY. Yea but lets be fans and say no every Met.

        • JohnnyC

          O.K. No to every Met.

          • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

            I’d take David Wright in a hot second.

            • Jersey

              +1

            • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

              Or, as we like to say on RAB: “in a cocaine heartbeat.”

            • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

              Not with A-Rod on the team.

              • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

                If Hideki weren’t around and Wright were available, I’d get him for 3B and use Rodriguez at DH.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  Here’s an idea: Jeet is having a rennaissance year at SS. Let’s say he regresses again to below league average at defense. Why not move him to DH and A-Rod, the better defensive SS anyway, to SS? Then you can sign Wright as our 3b.

                • jsbrendog

                  a-rod prob couldnt play ss at this point with hos he has bulked up

                • Slugger27

                  arod would be MUCH worse than jeter as SS, and i say that even if jeter were to play like he did in 07

                  arod isnt the same guy he was in texas, hes much bigger, bulkier, older…. and with a bum hip, hed be LUCKY to have the UZR that jeter had in 07

                • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

                  The A-Rod to short boat sailed long ago and is even farther out of port after his surgery. Also, Jeter’s bat is good, but not good enough to justify DH.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  Good point. I didn’t even think of the hip injury conundrum.

                • Slugger27

                  Also, Jeter’s bat is good, but not good enough to justify DH.

                  this i definitely disagree with… jeter has a 119 OPS+… that will play anywhere

                  he has a high BA, OBP, and steals bases… his bat is plenty fine for DH

                  that being said, i agree with the overall point that Arod would be a disaster at SS and theres no reason to rush Jeter off of the position at the moment

                • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                  “this i definitely disagree with… jeter has a 119 OPS+… that will play anywhere
                  he has a high BA, OBP, and steals bases… his bat is plenty fine for DH”

                  I’m with Slugger27 here. Jeter’s .373 wOBA would rank as the 4th best wOBA among DHs so far this season (ahead of Matsui). Jeter’s bat, producing the way it has the last few years, would be fine in the DH slot.

            • jsbrendog

              agreed i’d take david wright in a heartbeat but no to jose reyes.

      • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

        Yeah, I’m quite “meh” on Jose.

    • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

      It depends on how Jeter’s playing. Is he still producing at a high level? If not then I’d love to get Reyes.

  • Lanny

    This is the type of thing you only hear about in NY. He’s got a yr and half on his deal. They’ll quietly do an extension this off season so its not beat into the ground all next year.

    • http://www.retire21.org Mike R. – Retire 21

      Lebron James on line one.

  • JohnnyC

    I can’t picture the Stadium crowd singing Jose, Jose, Jose.

    • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

      Imagine the pressure. Every bad play, every bad game, all you’ll hear is he’s no Jeter. Ditto about the poor soul who’ll replace Mo.

      • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

        I agree with this to an extent but I also think that everyone will realize how good Jeets/Mo were that they’ll take it a bit easier on each one’s replacement. I also think that the degree of harshness will be based on whether said replacement is a free agent signing or an “inside hire,” so to speak. Fans wouuld probably be more patient with the latter than they would with the former.

        • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

          Inside hire? You mean trade?

          No, I don’t think the fans would be paitent. You give the fans too much credit. The replacements for these two players will be under tremendous pressure.

          • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

            By inside hire I mean a guy coming up through the system, which is far more likely for Rivera’s replacement than Jeter’s, IMO. If there was a “passing the torch” type of thing, I think fans would be much more accepting of a lesser player; if it was some dude they signed, it would seem all the more foreign.

            • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

              Oh in that case yes, ithere’s a very big difference between some outsider they signed and a Yankee brought up through the system.

          • jsbrendog

            no he means someone brought up through the system a la jeter. and i agree. in my estimation, in order of easiest road traveled:

            prospect who comes up through the system (even if obtained from someone else in trade while they are still a minor league prospect) >>> major league trade >>> free agent signing.

            • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

              Yeah I agree.

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      Worst. Chant. Ever.

      • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

        Jo-Se Rey-Es clapclap clapclapclap

        nope. not feelin it.

        • jsbrendog

          no-way no-way no-way no -way

          no waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay

          (to) jo-se

          CWIDT?

          • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

            Clever.

          • Slugger27

            golf clap

    • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

      Seriously, I’d take Reyes in a heartbeat if Jeter wasn’t producing at a high level.

      • jsbrendog

        yet you also state earlier you want to overpay for jeter eve if he is declining and nto worth the money he will get.

        you can’t have it both ways.

        • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

          Well I was joking.

          • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

            So when you said you’d lead the riot if Jeter were ever to wear another uniform, and Slugger27 said “ill be right behind u… i dont care that the guy is likely to decline, and i dont care if according to WAR he isnt worth 18 mill or whatever, i want him as a yankee for his entire career,” and you responded, simply, “Exactly,” you were joking? Seems more like you started hedging and saying you were joking when other commenters disagreed with you. Maybe I have to get my joke-detector checked out.

            • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

              You’re right, you do.

              Yeah it’s kind of a joke when I talk about leading Jeter riots. Sorry if you don’t believe me, but my job isn’t to convince you. As soon as someone psoted the question directly too me, I said I was joking. So end it.

              • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                “So end it.”

                Make me.

                I made one comment about it, it’s not like I’ve been beating a dead horse here. You’d be wise to just admit it when you’re wrong about something instead of constantly hedging and trying to play both sides of every issue. I’m done now.

                So end it.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  Make me?

                  You’re the one who came on here attacking me for no reason.

                  They responded, I said I was joking. It’s not complicated.

                  I’m not playing both sides, I’ve taken a side. Yes, I know it’s bad baseball to resign Jeter. No, I wouldn’t be too unhappy if they did anyway. Yes, I’d ratjer sign a player like Reyes.

                  There’s no reason for you not to take my word for it that I’m joking but you seem to want to start a nonissue.

                • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                  “Make me?”

                  Yeah, make me.

                  “You’re the one who came on here attacking me for no reason.”

                  I commented on your comments, I didn’t attack you. And I thought it was warranted for the reasons I gave.

                  “They responded, I said I was joking. It’s not complicated.”

                  Agreed.

                  “I’m not playing both sides, I’ve taken a side. Yes, I know it’s bad baseball to resign Jeter. No, I wouldn’t be too unhappy if they did anyway. Yes, I’d ratjer sign a player like Reyes.”

                  So you’ll lead the riot if Jeter wears another uniform, but you “know it’s bad baseball to resign Jeter,” but you wouldn’t be unhappy if they signed him anyway even though it’s bad baseball (your words), and you’d rather sign Jose Reyes.

                  Why would anyone ever think that you like to hedge and play both sides of an issue?

                  “There’s no reason for you not to take my word for it that I’m joking but you seem to want to start a nonissue.”

                  I never knew it was possible to “start a nonissue,” but it sounds fun.

                  So end it.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  You say “so end it”. You didn’t when I said so. So why should I?

                  It was warranted for you to attack me (that was an attack; it was a sarcastic insult) when I make a comment to another person, even when the person I comemnted to didn’t care? You are the ONLY person who’s taken issue with my comments here.

                  “So you’ll lead the riot if Jeter wears another uniform, but you “know it’s bad baseball to resign Jeter,” but you wouldn’t be unhappy if they signed him anyway even though it’s bad baseball (your words), and you’d rather sign Jose Reyes.

                  Why would anyone ever think that you like to hedge and play both sides of an issue?”

                  Could that be any clearer? I said:

                  A. The riot thing was a very obvious joke.
                  B. I like Jeter, but I realize it’s bad baseball to resign him. HOWEVER because he’s Jeter I could never be too unhappy resigning him.
                  C. Yes, if Jeter has regressed a by 2012 (arbitrary year based on Reyes’s contract) than I’d rather sign him than Jeter.

                  Is that clear enoguh for you?

                  I just didn’t get the make me comment. Why say it? I asked you to end it after explaining. Then you went through my post so I’ve explained again. What more do you want me to say? I’d say I was wrong except I don’t think so. Disagree, fine. But stop mocking me and saying I’m taking both sides of an issue. I said I was joking. I don’t get why that’s so hard to believe.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  By sign him I mean Reyes.

                  BTW, by starting a nonissue I mean making an issue out of something that isn’t and you know it. At least talk to me like I’m not a teenager. I’m not, you know.
                  I’ll let this go, but show me some respect. Please?

                • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                  “You say ‘so end it’. You didn’t when I said so. So why should I?”

                  Sarcasm. I thought it was a funny thing for you to say, so I adopted it in my responses to you.

                  “I just didn’t get the make me comment. Why say it?”

                  Because you told me to do something, and I didn’t want to.

                  “Disagree, fine.”

                  I do.

                  “But stop mocking me and saying I’m taking both sides of an issue.”

                  How can I disagree with you if I can’t say you’re taking both sides of the issue? That’s, like, all I’m really saying here. So yeah, I do disagree with you, I do think you take both sides of issues.

                  And look what I came across while persuing the ol’ game thread… You’d call it coincidence, I’d call it another instance of you hedging. Agree to disagree, again!

                  So end it.

            • Slugger27

              people are disagreeing with me… but i stand behind my comment… im perfectly fine with them overpaying jeter by a few million per year if it gets him to retire as a yankee

              when u consider the farm system, and the lack of IF prospects, its a slam dunk, and i dont care if im in the minority in this thinking

              • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                It all depends on how much he’s regressed at te time. There’s a point where it’s too much.

        • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

          Or how about, if it means keeping him aa Yankee vs. keeping him on another team I’d overpay, but if it means keeping him or letting him retire I’d let him retire.

  • steve s

    Jeter’s next contract will not be a conventional one in that I believe it will need to cover Jeter’s post-playing career relationship with the Yanks as well. What that means to me is lower salary upfront but a “lifetime” contract scenario including ownership and an executive/front office job arrangements (Jeter as GM and Posada as Manager is not too far-fetched down the road).

    • thurdonpaul

      imo i doubt jeter will be in management after he is done playing

      • Slugger27

        i agree… i dont think hes a manager type of guy

        he says he doesnt even watch baseball on tv on off days and didnt even watch the playoffs last year… i can see him retiring and not coming back to the stadium for a long long time

    • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

      I’d love that.

      Even better would be if Jeter bought the Yankees.

    • JohnnyC

      I like the idea but don’t know if Hank and Hal would necessarily agree. If George were still in control, yes, his sons, not so much.

    • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

      Or how about, Jeter as bench coach and Posada as Manager.

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      I sincerely hope that Derek Jeter does not become a manager or anything more than a hitting coach for the Yankees in the future. His lack of attention to the game, aside from playing it of course, is relatively well documented.

      • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

        As for former players as coaches, I’d definitely like to see Moose and Mo as pitching/bullpen coaches/instructors in years to come.

      • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

        Jeter would be a bad hitting coach. His swing is too unconventioanl.

        A-Rod and Tex would both make good hitting coaches.

        • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

          Well, that doesn’t mean he couldn’t identify flaws in another player’s swing and help him correct said flaws.

          • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

            Yeah but he might change the swing and end up making it worse.

            • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

              That’s a risk with every pitching/hitting coach. I’m not necessarily saying Jeter would be a good hitting coach but I think that’s his “ceiling” as a non-player in the baseball world.

              • mike HC

                What do you consider bench coach? Is that better than hitting coach? If so, I could definitely see him as a bench coach at some point down the line.

                • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

                  Eh, I don’t think so. That’s a step away from the manager and it’s way, way too close for a guy who pays little attention to baseball outside of playing it.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  Yeah, but he has great baseball smarts and is good at in-game stuff. Bench coach is perfect; not as involved as manager, but close enough to maximize his good points.

              • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                But Jeter especially has that risk because his swing is so unconventional (a nice word for weird).

                • pat

                  AKA Jeter is too ridiculously good as a natural hitter to be a hitting coach. Same with Arod, I don’t care how good of a communicator or teacher he is Arod cannot teach someone to flick their wrists and drive a low outside slider to deep center. Very often, great players make bad coaches because they had so much more god given talent that cannot be taught or passed onto others.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  Right, although I’d rather see A-Rod rather than Jeet as pitching coach. He has a great pure swing.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  *hitting* coach.

    • Slu

      There is no way Jeter ever becomes GM of any team, let alone the Yankees.

      • steve s

        Jeter, as Yankee royalty and with pretty good business sense, will almost assuredly hook on with Yankee management post-playing career in some capacity as they are both worth more to each other than they are apart. I think he’ll end up with some minor ownership position as a lure and in a trusted advisor position (at least what Reggie sort of does now for the Yanks and if he gets into it maybe it turns into more of a baseball job than a pr job).

        • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

          i dont think ownership is possible.

          is his attention span long enough to be a scout?

          on a serious note…does he finally come out of the closet after he retires?

          • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

            Why do you think he’s gay? We’ve seen no evidence pointing to the fact.

            • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

              hey, there’s nothing wrong with being gay.

              would he no longer be a true yankee?!

              • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                Not at all. Just wondering.

    • mike HC

      I can’t put my finger on exactly why the Jeter/Posada brain trust would not work for me, but I just don’t think that will be a good idea.

      • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

        cause jeter has no range and jorge calls a shitty game?

        • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

          The Jorge calls a Buchholzin’ game thing has been very analyzed an is SO not true.

          Not to mention Jeter having no range doesn’t mean he can’t be a bench coach.

          If you’re joking, sorry.

          • pat

            it was a joke

            • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

              All right then.

          • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

            you’ll never know :)

    • cr1

      Jeter has said more than once that he does not want to manage or coach but would be interested in putting together an ownership group and buying a team, as the role of owner attracts him more. I’ve read (nope, can’t remember where, but more than once) that he and Posada have a plan to go in together and bring in others.

      Don’t Florida teams change ownership regularly?

      • mike HC

        Kinda like what Jordan ultimately wants. Be a part of the game, but don’t have to do any actual work.

        • jsbrendog

          wasn’t jordan a (terrible, horrible, utter failure) as a gm for awhile there in washington first?

          • mike HC

            yea. I’m saying this is what Jordan “ultimately” wants to be. Not the atrocity of a “president of basketball operations” that he has been.

            • Januz

              Mario Lemieux is not doing too bad as an owner.

          • pat

            Kwame Brown.

            But to be honest the rest of the draft pretty much sucked except for Tony Parker and Gilbert Arenas.

  • Slu

    I’d pay him basically whatever he wants for 3 or 4 years, but it ain’t my money.

  • Slugger27

    i could see him signing a 4/64 extension… it sounds really high right now, but watch it happen

    arod is signed through his 42 age season, and jorge signed 4/52… to me, 4/60 is the absolute minimum i think it would be and it could be as much as 4/72

  • http://newstadiuminsider.com Ross

    Wow. I thought we would be inundated with the Jeter contract stuff around Spring Training ’10. That Jack Curry, always looking to get a leg up on the competition, scoring the compelling “I haven’t even thought about it” quote from the always interesting Jeter.

    In terms of the contract, I think that 3 years, 45 million would be a great offer. Will Jeter feel the same way?

  • Charlie

    I’d like to see the yanks give Jeter an extension this offseason, but 3 years would be too much. If they gave him a 2 year, 35 mil extension, I think he’d be worth it, considering of course the PR disaster it would be if Jeter left the yankees and the payroll that the yanks can handle.

  • Slugger27

    In terms of the contract, I think that 3 years, 45 million would be a great offer. Will Jeter feel the same way?

    no.

    think about it… jorge got a 4th year as a CATCHER who will be OLDER than jeter will be… not to mention, he aint jeter… not skill-wise or icon-wise

    i really honestly believe the talks will START at 4/60 and probably wind up at 4/72

    • jsbrendog

      if he plays this way next year and they wait til then to lock him up. sure i guess. if he regresses and/or they try to do it in the offseason, no way

      • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

        It all depends on whether he regresses or not.

    • mike HC

      I think you are right on target slugger. Derek Lowe got a 4 year, 60 million dollar contract with Atlanta this past off season and Lowe turned 36 this season. There is no doubt that Jeter is going to get a better contract than Derek Lowe. I think Jeter is going to want more than a four year contract. I think we will see more of an AJ Burnett type deal. Five years 83 million. Only time will tell

  • Januz

    I think there will be a compromise beiween the Yankees and Jeter: Two years in exchange for him remaining at Short (Say $40m for 2 years). The only alternative in the farm system is Garrison Lassiter and he is several years away from being ready. Here is an interesting little stat to keep in mind: Only one shortstop got 3,000 hits as a shortstop………. Honus Wagner (Ripken and Yount moved to other positions). This is something that would make sense for both sides.

    • jsbrendog

      this is an interesting idea, and compromises are fun, and it could be overpaying in $ to keep the years down. I’m intrigued.

      unfortunately I feel, no matter how good he seems at hiding it or givig off an indifferent personality, jeter’s ego is way too big for a compromise such as this…

      i hope i am wrong though.

    • Charlie

      gosh, the yankees may not be loaded with SS’s in the minors but do you have any clue what you’re talking about? Ramiro Pena and Nunez would replace Jeter long before Lassister would. Lassister is more of a utility guy than a SS and he is in the low minors.

      • pat

        Lassiter is a utility guy?

        Since when?

        • Charlie

          i’m not officially declaring him a utility guy, but he’s listed as a 3B on Charleston’s roster and I doubt he’s ever a starting SS or 3B. My point was just that he is no where near next in line at SS after Jeter in the yanks system

  • CC

    Random question but what does ICWUDT mean?

    • jsbrendog

      i see what you did there

  • Dela G

    sign him to a 4 year 52 mil deal

    • mike HC

      the Yankees wish they could get him at this price

    • Slugger27

      thatd be a steal in my eyes

    • thurdonpaul

      my guess is, 4 to 5 years, at, 16 to 18 million per year

  • beware of Michael Kay

    alex rodriguez signed through – what? 2017? Derek Jeter signed – with 3 year deal – through 2013.

    Jeter better get his 4,000th hit with the Yankees.

    Move him to the outfield — when he’s 38 he’ll know that it’s not reasonable to be a shortstop anymore. He’ll do it.

  • Tony

    The Boston-Detroit fight footage is incredible. Youkilis is such a bitch.

    • Tony

      UGH, wrong thread.

      :(

      On topic… give him the moon and all the stars. I don’t care what he gets.

  • http://Youcan'tincreaseyourrange TLVP

    No player has ever hit more than 2674 hits when playing as a SS – Luis Aparacio. Derek has 2670 hits as a SS, Omar Vizquel 2669.

    Later this week or early next week Derek Jeter will break the record.

    In September he will break Gehrig’s record for most hits as a Yankee (2721 vs 2680 right now)

    Derek Jeter has been around forever – are we seriously talking about him getting 4 more years? Or are we talking about 3 additonal years beyond 2010? Even that is a lot. I think that they will end up agreeing this winter to an additional 3 years at 15m each. The Yankees will make a lot of that back on the attention to his march to 3000 hits in 2011 but after that there is no milestone that will really capture the imagination of the nation until he gets to 4000 hits which won’t happen.

    In 2011 he’s probably worth $25m simply because of marketing and he probably still plays SS

    In 2012 and 2013 he’s probably not playing SS and marking will not focus on Jeter but on A-Rod’s 3000 hit and his passing of Mays and Ruth on the all time HR list. He’ll probably be worth no more than $10m/year so 3/45 for 2011-2013 make sense

    The question is how long he wants to play. Does heo nly want 1 more year to get to 3000 hits or does he want to play forever? Its a bit worrying that he seems to be in denial that he’s getting old/older – he never says anything interesting in interviews but the one thing that comes across is that he’s trying to fend of the notion that he’s a veteran/senior spokesperson etc. He might also look at A-Rod signed through 2017 and being only 1 year younger think that why not me though 2016.

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