Lazy Sunday Open Thread

Sabathia's poor luck in no-decisions
Game 124: Aces wild

I don’t know about you, but night games during the weekend just don’t feel right to me. It’s the weekend, I want to get out and go take in a ballgame during the day then go kick it with some friends at night. Night games completely disrupt that. Now I’ll be sitting here twiddling my thumbs all afternoon waiting for Beckett-CC tonight. Well, not totally, because the draft for the 2009 RAB Fantasy Football League starts at two, so that’ll hold me over. I’ve got the third pick; who should I go with, MJD or Forte?

In a tiny bit of news, old buddy Jason Giambi signed a minor league deal with the Rockies yesterday. Todd Helton isn’t the 160-170 OPS+ monster he was earlier in his career because of age and back injuries, but the dude is still raking to the tune of .322-.404-.499 this year. He’s going to relegate The Big G to pinch hitting duties if he gets the call in September. Regardless, I wish Giambi the best and hopes he gets a chance to do some damage in the postseason.

Anyway, here’s an open thread to hold everyone over for a while. Pedro Martinez is pitching against the Mets at the moment, and if you’ve got Extra Innings or something you can check out the Lincecum-Ubaldo matchup a little later when the Giants take on the Rockies. Colorado leads te NL Wildcard race and SF is just two games back, so this one’s kind of a big deal. You can also watch Adam Warren and the Staten Island Yankees here. Talk about whatever you like here, just be nice.

Sabathia's poor luck in no-decisions
Game 124: Aces wild
  • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

    Later on Friday night, after the Yankees routed the Red Sox 20-11, a game in which Jeter and Rodriguez combined for seven hits, three RBIs and five runs scored, A-Rod deferred to the Yankees’ captain when told that Rice said he was misquoted.

    “Tell him,” Rodriguez said, referring to Jeter.

    But Jeter wasn’t biting.

    “Misquoted?” Jeter said. “How was he misquoted?”

    Wow.

    I think that’s the first time I’ve seen The Captain get a little testy besides anything but future contracts…

    • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals
    • Salty Buggah

      I dont know why but I kinda like it when Jeter shows emotion. And good job by A-rod for letting Jeter handle the response instead saying something himself and possibly getting in a controversy (you know the media will overblow whatever he says even if he meant no harm).

      • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

        me too on both counts…when they kept hounding him about contract and position, i kept hoping he’d blow up and just yell ‘i dont care! just @#$# drop it–i want to win, i’ll handle it later!’ or be as emotional as you can without being a complete asshat idiot.

        i really did appreciate the ‘tell him’ line :)

    • Mac

      Jim Rice career home and away splits:

      H – .320/.374/.546
      A – .277/.330/.459

      From 77-79 he was the most feared hitter in the AL – at the time, I thought he was a better hitter than Reggie, but I’m glad to see that besides his #’s being questionable in terms of HOF induction, his character and class leave no doubt as to whether he should have been inducted into the HOF.

      Jeter isn’t going to have to wait more than 5 years to be enshrined and when he gets in he’s gonna have 95% + of the vote (most likely).

      • Salty Buggah

        Now compare his numbers to Ken Singleton’s numbers. Specifically look at the 1979 seasons, in which Rice won the MVP, for both players. (You’ll notice that not only did Kenny have a better overall career but he had a higher peak in the same year, which is what the Rice defenders always point out, that he had one of the highest peaks)

        • zs190

          I love bashing Jim Rice but B-Ref said Rice won his MVP in 1978 and he was legitimately better than Singleton that year…

          • zs190

            It’s almost impossible to be better than Rice that year. Granted he had help from Fenway but he led the league in hits, triples, home, rbi, slugging, OPS, OPS+, and TB, I think he won it fair and square that year.

            • Salty Buggah

              Oh yea, my bad. What I meant to say was that his MVP year was a very good year and people say how he had an unbelievable peak. But Kenny Singleton had a better peak in 1979 and a better overall career.

              • zs190

                Yeah, I agree with that =)

        • Mac

          Hmm, just looking at gross stats

          KS – .282/.388/.436 246 HR 1,065 RBI

          JR – .298/.352/.502 382 HR 1,451 RBI

          I really don’t remember how good the teams were that KS were on. The 79 stats are really close and KS was a better OB guy.

          Not saying it was right, but OBP in the 70’s and 80’s really seemed to be ignored and (paradoxically ?) the games in the AL had alot more in common with the NL – more emphasis on D and small ball – guys actually knew how to bunt, they could throw more than 60 feet on a fly if they played in the OF.

          The Fenway effect aside, I think with almost 400 HR’s, almost 1,500 RBI, ditto .300ba and a .500 slg % – Rice was a better player than KS.

          • Mac

            Point of clarification Don Baylor won the MVP in 79 and his #’s were really similar to Ken SIngleton’s who came in 2nd.

            • Salty Buggah

              Yea true, I got confused on the MVP years so just ignore the MVP stuff and just pretentI’m only talking about the numbers.

          • Salty Buggah

            Hmmm for some reason B-ref isnt working for me. Could you tell me the career OPS+ for each guy and the highest OPS in each player’s career. (I might be wrong I guess)

            But I see what you’re saying, things Rice did were valued more back in the day. But for me (maybe because of the era of Sabermetrics we are living in), Kenny was a better and more valuable player.

            • Mac

              KS – career ops – .826

              JR – .854

              Best year:

              KS – .945 (3 years over .900)

              JR – .977 (4 years over .900)

              • Salty Buggah

                Hmm. thats odd. I always thought KS had a higher OPS+. Well then, Im wrong so I guess you could ignore everything I said.

              • Salty Buggah

                I see what happened. I compared their careers using OPS+. Kenny has a 132 career OPS+ and his highest one was 165. Rice’s career OPS+ was 128 (with Fenway help) and his highest was 157. Using this, you can say Kenny was better.

                • Salty Buggah

                  Heh, check our Rice’s B-ref page’s sponsor.

                  “Fans of the 28 teams not named Red Sox (or Yanks) sponsor(s) this page.

                  Congratulations, Boston. You couldn’t win a title, so you bought TWO – just like the Yanks. Open the wallet for Curt, Keith, and Johnny – end 86 years of frustration. 175M reasons never to whine about NYY. PS 2007: Open wallet for Beckett, Daisuke, Lowell”

                • PinstripesForeverDouglas

                  IETCVVM :)

      • Randy A.

        Jim Rice likes fish sticks

        • PinstripesForeverDouglas

          IETC :)

    • ShuutoHeat

      Jeter’s way or politely saying “You’re a fucking pussy bitch twat Jim Rice, man up to what you fucking said.”

      Funny how Rice says its like this because of the rivalry, when a good majority of Sux fans thinks he should shut his big yap for blasting Jeter.

      One day, one day they’ll hopefully allow fans to vote HoF players to be removed and place in the HoShame…

  • barry

    Giambi has to be on the roster before Sep 1 to be playoff eligible doesn’t he?

    • Mac

      I wonder what effects (if any) of high altitude have on HGH?

      • barry

        Probably no different than the effects of Damon hitting in New Yankee Stadium.

  • AndrewYF

    Kevin Russo is batting .333/.414/.436 in AAA. Might he be a better utility guy than Pena? And how does he get no hype when Jed Lowrie is guaranteed to be an above-average shortstop for the next 10 years?

    • Salty Buggah

      He just plays decent defense I think and he has little power. And I think you know the answer to the 2nd question.

    • zs190

      Because Jed Lowrie can actually play SS? I thought Kevin Russo is below average even at 2B. Good plate discipline but has very high BABIP. I put his numbers in for MLE and it comes out .287/.352/.369 and this is with a .383 BABIP right now. So no, I don’t really believe he’s necessarily better than Pena, mostly because you lose some versatility and defense and he’s a below average hitter too.

  • ClayBuchholzLovesLaptops

    Final line for Oliver Perez:

    0.2 IP, 4H, 6R, 6ER, 2BB, 0K

    • AndrewYF

      Omar has turned out to be a worse GM than Steve Phillips.

      • ClayBuchholzLovesLaptops

        Omar Minaya and Steve Philips’ claim to fame:

        “At least we didn’t trade Scott Kazmir for Victor Zambrano!”

      • JGS

        and the Wilpons said Omar is staying and Omar said Jerry is staying.

        Every Met fan I knew groaned at that

      • PinstripesForeverDouglas

        Yeah, but at least Omar is not a complete bastard everyone feels like punching in the face. Phillips is scumbag at every job he’s employed,personally I think Omar is just vastly overrated and a descent man.

      • Chris

        Steve Phillips wasn’t that bad. He actually got the Mets to the playoffs and to the World Series. What more can you ask for? He wasn’t the best GM in the game, but he was better than people give him credit for.

    • Salty Buggah

      Improvement!!!

    • Jack

      Brackmanian.

      • Salty Buggah

        That’s an insult to Brackman! At least Brackman gets a couple of strikeouts with that.

        • PinstripesForeverDouglas

          and he’s tall…yeah that’s something!

  • Mac

    I think it was Michael “Mensa” Kay who was saying its insane to pay Strasburg 15 mil. Its a ton of $ for a kid who hasn’t thrown a pitch in pro ball, but I’d rather do that deal all day long than sign a guy like Ollie Perez or Derek Lowe for 36 mil.

    Starting pitching is probably the most overpaid part of the game – shitty guys routinesly get 10 mil a year.

    JMO.

    • ClayBuchholzLovesLaptops

      “Starting pitching is probably the most overpaid part of the game”

      Closers are for me. Besides some really good guys like Mo, Nathan and some others, there are a lot of guys getting way too much money after having 60 good innings.

      Exhibit A: Francisco Cordero, 4 years, $46M

      Exhibit B: Kerry Wood, 2 years, $20,5M

      • Mac

        Not disagreeing, but I think Cordero has been pretty good and Wood was a gamble – stuff was never in doubt.

        I think when you see contracts like Zito, Neagle or Hampton on the huge side and guys like Wright and Clement getting 20+ mil for 3, starters really eclipse what closers get in terms of relative talent and efficiency. i.e. Cordero is a good closer, Lowe is an old relatively shitty starter, Perez redifines the concept of shit…etc.

        • whozat

          Lowe’s not that shitty. He’s having a league-average year after several years of being really quite good.

          The thing is that starters consume so many more innings that even a league average starter is worth as much as a closer to most teams.

          • Mac

            4.45 era in the NL West (and he’s on the best team in the West) with a WHIP of 1.45. At 36 in the first year of the deal – I don’t think that’s a great deal. I wonder what he’d be in our division?

            I do agree though he’s had a good career – my point is what he is now. A league avg guy making 12 mil – I think =’s overpaid and hopefully lends some credence to my point about SP being the most overpaid. JMO

            • Zack

              You do know that Derek Lowe is no longer on the Dodgers right?

              • Mac

                Don’t confuse me with FACTS! My bad, Atlanta, his numbers in that light are a bit more acceptable.

        • Salty Buggah

          Well, considering that really any above-average reliever can be a closer and that closers really aren’t that important compared to starting pitching, and that decent starting pitching is really hard to find, making it an extremely valuable commodity, it makes sense.

          • Mac

            considering that really any above-average reliever can be a closer

            How good a closer, and for how long…

            If a team isn’t in contention, then the closer really doesn’t matter.

            • Salty Buggah

              Look at the Rays of last year. They got by fine by having a lot of different guys closing. While the Rays are struggling this year with closing, relief pitching is very volatile so any reliever could have a great year and a shitty year next year. Only guys like Mo and Nathan are good consistently but they are the exception, not the rule.

        • ClayBuchholzLovesLaptops

          You have a good point, too. Starting pitchers, to me, have the benefit of giving you some 180 innings, while some closers hardly reach 60, and both are often paid the same. Those contracts you are listing belong to the worst among starting pitchers, there’s no doubt about that. I still rather pay $10M a year for a #4 starter, who gives me 180 IP of 5.00 ERA than paying Cordero, while being pretty good, about the same as Mariano Rivera.

          • Mac

            If you get 180 innings out of the guy at league average, then yeah, maybe its worth 10 or so mil a year. The problem is with injury, ineffectiveness, age, etc a lot more seems to be “wasted” in the hunt for effective SP.

            The flip side is when you get the young guys before FA and can get that performance for 400k, that might be the biggest bargain in the game.

            I’m getting off track as well, I think my real point is I’d rather gamble 15 mil on a truly elite prospect than pay almost that for one year of a guy who is a FA and has questions – either in effectiveness, like Perez or a soft tosser like Lowe at 36.

            • ClayBuchholzLovesLaptops

              “…I think my real point is I’d rather gamble 15 mil on a truly elite prospect than pay almost that for one year of a guy who is a FA and has questions…”

              Very true. The Carlos Silva type deals can really handcuff a team for years. Strasburg probably is a bargain for $15M, anyway.

              • Salty Buggah

                Now those are one of the stupid deals but Im sure it wasn’t intended to be like that. It’s just that the starting pitcher didn’t pan out like how you wanted. But the prospect, no matter how elite, has even more of a risk of not panning out.

                • ClayBuchholzLovesLaptops

                  Silva was never any good but got a big deal anyway. I’d rather gamble $15M on Stras than get Silva for $40M, who, as everybody knows, is pretty shitty.

                • Salty Buggah

                  Dont get me wrong, I would too since Im all about upside. But Silva was one of the few dumb deals. At least other deals made more sense. We knoe Pavano was a bust for us but he had pretty good/decent years for the Marlins. Every team needs starting pitching since even average pitching is valuable, but I suppose some do overpay for it.

                • ClayBuchholzLovesLaptops

                  There have been other ludicrous deals for SP like Jared Wright. I guess it’s kind of a thing of the past as teams are not in the condition to issue these deals anymore. We saw it in the offseason with the outfielders and I think, this winter’s pitching market while be similar.

                • Salty Buggah

                  Yea, that was dumb too. I guess it kinda makes sense considering he had a 131 ERA+ the year before he came to NY. But he sucked every year before that so that was dumb.

            • Salty Buggah

              “The problem is with injury, ineffectiveness, age, etc a lot more seems to be “wasted” in the hunt for effective SP.”

              Doesn’t the same apply to closers? And relief pitchers are lesser pitchers so they can be volatile.

              “The flip side is when you get the young guys before FA and can get that performance for 400k, that might be the biggest bargain in the game.”

              But that’s very rare. We have Joba/Phil and that’s why we didn’t trade them.

              “I’m getting off track as well, I think my real point is I’d rather gamble 15 mil on a truly elite prospect than pay almost that for one year of a guy who is a FA and has questions – either in effectiveness, like Perez or a soft tosser like Lowe at 36.”

              If you are guaranteed to get at least average pitching at the Major league level, I’d probably give it to the FA because even league average starters are hard to get (look at us and the Sox and everyone else, they are all looking for decent 5th starters. While that may be slightly overpaying for a 5th starter, it’s better than taking your chance on a prospect, no matter how elite it is. You are not guaranteed anything. While you have upside, so do guys like Lowe, who have shown that they can be mid-rotation guys. But it usually doesn’t pan out.

              • Mac

                My head is starting to spin (don’t get old, it sucks).

                Your last point is very true – it depends on the situation the team is in, perennial contenders have to pony up for FA’s in the hunt for consistency and performance.

                Worthless Shithole Teams (WST’s – I think that’s a new Bill James term – could be wrong) like the Nats, can and should throw 15 mil at a once a decade guy like Strasburg – and the 15 mil is for multiple years.

                • Salty Buggah

                  Agreed.

                  (and about not getting old…I can’t help it ;) )

  • Trevor

    You can watch the best team in the AL take on the Rangers on TBS.

    game already started.

    • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

      hmm…the words are obviously english…but when i put them together in a sentence, they dont make any sense to me…is that one of those weird ‘you need a new printer driver’ errors?

      • Thomas

        Since the Yankees are the best team in the American League, I assume he must mean some other AL.

        My only assumption is that “the AL” is a nickname for a place like Atlanta is “the ATL.” So maybe Alabama, Albuquerque, or Altoona is playing the Rangers.

        • Jack

          I figured it was one of those things where the Yankees are so much better than everyone that people just gave up. Kind of like how we debate the best players Non Pujols Division or how they stopped putting Citizen Kane on top of those greatest movie lists.

    • There’s at least 3 better teams

      Is this a “Rays fan”? Do such things even exist?

      • Mac

        There hasn’t been any conclusive, scientific evidence (yet) to confirm the existence of such a creature.

        The Rangers didn’t get the memo – 3-0 – David Price’s line all 3’s in 4 ip – 3 runs, hits, BB’s and K’s – 5.11 era, 1.58 WHIP – when are they gonna just put him in the bullpen ;-)

        • PinstripesForeverDouglas

          A rays fan?! Hmm, I may believe in the loch ness

          monster, peace in the middle east, and zombie elvis….

          But a Rays fan?!?

          C’mon, as my friend Balki always say…

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZ39lywANPs

          • http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_S0CViLms5ys/Sd54tE5sVMI/AAAAAAAAAho/0fxSZIso2OM/s400/Swisha+House.jpg Kevin G.

            “It’s not powdered sugar it’s… cocaine.”

  • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime

    I’m knitting.

    I am *such* a girl.

    (I’m making a scarf. Well, another one. I already have, like 10.)

    • PinstripesForeverDouglas

      Oh how sweet. Excuse me Rebecca but can you knit me a scarf

      that resembles the one used by the boy in the christmas

      classic, “The Snowman”? Always wanted one like that. That and

      the power to fly over Wales with my snowman, buddy ;)

    • Riddering

      What type of scarf?

  • ClayBuchholzLovesLaptops

    I’ve been thinking about the LF/DH situation next year and I wondered if Vlad could be an option. He sure is not the same as some years ago and his body is kind of wrecked. What do you think of signing him? How much would it take?

    • Tony

      He’s broken down. Not with a 10 foot pole.

      • texburnathia

        As much as i love vlad he kinda goes against what we are trying to do

    • zs190

      No thanks, he is like Matsui these days, his back/knees are starting to go and because he relied on crazy bat speed to catch up to bad balls in his prime, I think Matsui is more likely to hit than Vlad at this point.

    • Mac

      Call me crazy, I’d like to get a guy under 30, who can occasionally catch and throw a ball out there. Give me an .800 ops, 20 HR 85 RBI and 20 SB’s. Unfortunately, short of Carl Crawford, (who obviously is a lot better in some aspects and not there in HR’s) I don’t think that guy exists.

      • Ant

        Mike Cameron?

        • Mac

          Oh boy – tons of K’s, immense cold streaks, poor situational hitting, old, still has Met “stink” on him….

          • texburnathia

            Matt Kemp?

            • Drew

              Sure, we’ll just trade Phil, Joba, and Jesus for him.

            • Mac

              He could play RF as well. He’s even better (at least statistically) then I’d like to have.

              Only negative, he’s been too close to Joe Torre and his platitudes.

              I doubt Kemp would be traded and if he was it would be Joba+, but that raises the question do the Yanks part with some prospects to try and get a young ofer?

              I don’t know. The offense that Damon and Sui has put up has been tremendous, how the Yanks shuffle the OF\DH\C next year is gonna be interesting.

            • PinstripesForeverDouglas

              Shawn Kemp?

          • Ant

            + .800 OPS, +++ Defender, poor situational hitting is bs, same age as Damon, 20+ HR power.

            • Mac

              Not arguing, just giving you my observations.

              His year with the Mets when he hit 30 HR, he was colder than cold when they were in the hunt, when they dropped out of it he was hitting moon shots.

              He’s really streaky and he K’s an absolute ton.

              Only other caveat is he’s 35, when do his skills fall off the cliff?

              BUT, he’s available, he does have tools and if the Yanks got him, they probably play him in CF and RF as well – he’s probably still a better CFer than that lazy Dominican (who I love) and GGBG (who I opposite of love).

        • JMK

          Cameron is closer to 40 than 30.

          • Ant

            Same age as Johnny Damon and most likely cheaper with better defense.

            • JMK

              Mac:

              “Call me crazy, I’d like to get a guy under 30…”

              Just pointing that out, that’s all. I don’t necessarily disagree with you.

      • zs190

        Corey Hart sounds like your kind of guy, you know. Maybe we can buy low on him. Though I’m generally not a fan of a guy that doesn’t walk much like that.

        • Mac

          Good one. I doubt the Brewers want to deal with the Yanks.

          Couple of guys who I think about are (both unavailable)

          Shin Shoo Choo – he’s a mini-Matsui with a RFers arm and an iron glove. I was impressed with his play when we saw the Indians. Two very important things are; 1). I seem to never tire of saying his name and 2). he’s from Pusan and that fact seems to entertain me to no end.

          Juan Rivera – he definitely had a higher ceiling than our beloved LD – Melky – but it makes me think that we should keep Melky around a few more years to see if he blossoms like Juan Rivera did.

          Major reason to trade for Rivera at all costs would be to see if he punches Michael Kay in the mouth for confusing him on air with Mo’s cousin (and glove thief) Ruben.

          At least Kay knows who Jesus “Romero” is, that big hitting catcher in Trenton. Its not like Kay has covered the Yanks for 25 years…

          Kay Rant over.

          • PinstripesForeverDouglas

            IETCVM! I would love to have Shin Soo “Ahhh” Choo on my team because he is a clutch hitter and deserves a better fate than wasting it on the Shapiro’s minor league Indians.

            • Mac

              Glad to see it wasn’t just me impressed with Choo – real nice hitter, very good arm, the other stuff you probably have to hold your breath on – nice pickup by Shapiro.

  • Salty Buggah

    Ubaldo is probably my favorite non-Lincecum or Yankee pitcher to watch. He’s consistently bringing the heat with great movement on his fastball.

  • Former RAB Lurker

    When you can’t get to a TV, do you prefer watching on Gameday or ESPN’s Gamecast? With Gamecast, you get to actually see what happens to the ball, which I think is pretty cool. It’s like the Marauder’s Map, for baseball.

    • Drew

      You can see where the ball goes on gameday as well. I like gameday because it gives the speed and what not. Plus, they got me hooked last year when the video replays of certain plays were free.

      • Drew

        *..gives the pitch speed…

      • Former RAB Lurker

        I liked the videos too, and sometimes I still click on them when they pop up just to make sure I really can’t watch them. What I mean is, with Gamecast it shows that little animation for the pitch, and then if it’s hit you can watch the ball move. I guess it doesn’t matter, but it’s kind of cool.

    • Salty Buggah

      It used to be Gamecast but now I like Gameday because it tells you the pitch speed/type while showing the trajectory. It also tells you where the ball landed like Gamecast, just without the animation. Also, Gamecast doesn’t always correctly show you the where the pitch was, as its wrong a lot of time. Gameday also shows you the complete boxscore. If you have Gameday premium, or MLB.tv, Gameday is obviously better with the home/away radio broadcasts and really nice scouting reports.

      • Salty Buggah

        and of course the video highlights if you have MLB.tv

        • Salty Buggah

          oh and it also recently got Twitter built-in

  • DP

    What if IPK is the setup guy next year? That would be awesome. He can probably get up to like 92+ out of the pen

    • JobaWockeeZ

      I’d prefer keeping young starters out of the bullpen from now on. I don’t think any of us want a situation where the depth disappears so the Yanks have to really on Mitre type pitchers to fill in during injuries again.

      • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

        You don’t think that’s a good way to introduce and develop youngins?

        • JobaWockeeZ

          Well Hughes stop developing his changeup in the bullpen and I believe only throws his curve and fastball in it.So he gains confidence but stops the development of a pitch.

          But if the Yankees keep putting young starters in the bullpen there’s a good chance that Mitre is going to have to take that spot and I’m sure most of us don’t like that.

    • gio

      IETC (assuming it was a joke).

    • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

      Hopefully he has higher upside, becomes a long man the next year, and 5th starter the ne t.

  • Tony

    Am I crazy, or would it be a good idea to get AJax postseason-eligible? How much can we realy know about Gardner off this injury? I might even be inclined to carry *GASP* 11 pitchers in October and have Jackson on the bench either way.

    • PinstripesForeverDouglas

      IETC. Anything is better than witnessing the HORROR of Eric Hinske in the outfield in the playoffs!!

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Anything is better than witnessing the HORROR of Eric Hinske in the outfield in the playoffs!!

        It was one bad game. You worry too much.

        The horror of Eric Hinske in the outfield in the playoffs >>>>>>>>>>
        The horror of Hideki Matsui, Gary Sheffield, Bernie Williams, or Bobby Abreu in the outfield in the playoffs

        • Jack

          Heh. I just pictured a drunken Gary Sheffield stumbling out of the stands and onto the field with a glove.

          • PinstripesForeverDouglas

            At least Sheff could attack people in the stands and yelp his bark of “ruff,racism, ruff”, at the obnoxious opposing fans. Matsui can speak Japenese, Swish can do slapstick, what can Hinske do? Oh, he can show off his 07′ championship ring, oops ;(

        • PinstripesForeverDouglas

          Really? I do remember Bernie and Hideki able to run far better than Hinske. And I remember Sheff and Abreau had pretty good arms compared to Hinske popeye looking {olive oyle strength} arm. To be fair, Hinske was never meant to play in the outfield and his bat production has eroded way too much to justify his fatal glove. I’m fine with him in the infield but I believe he could cost us a game if he was ever placed in the outfield.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Fun Fact of the Day: Eric Hinske has a career +5.3 OF UZR.

            His first career OF innings were in 2006, and he was slightly below average. Since then, he’s been above average three straight years.

            LF
            2006 Blue Jays/Red Sox 24.0 in, -0.2
            2007 Red Sox 101.0 in, +1.4
            2008 Rays 265.0 in, +2.1
            2009 Yankees 17.0 in, +0.6

            RF
            2006 Blue Jays/Red Sox 275.0 in, -0.9
            2007 Red Sox 82.1 in, -0.6
            2008 Rays 339.1 in, +2.7
            2009 Pirates/Yankees 200.2 in, +0.2

        • Tony

          I don’t know man… Hinske is hella bad. It’s not just yesterday.

          • PinstripesForeverDouglas

            I know, Tony. Hinske makes Swisher look like Raul Mondesi… on his good days!

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              Heh.

              • Mac

                Based on all those of choices, maybe the best option would be to see if Karim Garcia and Shane Spencer are still in game shape. At the worst they could kick some serious ass and urinate on the opponents fans – kind of like the Sex Pistols, but of baseball.

                BTW, to state the incredibly obvious, Bernie was a fine CFer – his last few years were ugly – as evidenced by the infamous Lofton\Womack experiment.

  • PinstripesForeverDouglas

    Dear River Avenue patrons,
    Ya ever wonder why so many teams plagurize our Pinstripe look?
    I say this as I watch the Mets game and can’t help but chuckle all the way to the fridge as I observe their ridiculous pinstripe uniforms.
    Seriously, any team sporting striped uniforms always seem quite deseprate because it is like saying, “Oh, how we wish our team could someday resemble that OTHER team that wears pinstripes!” Please, can someone inform them wearing pinstripes will never allow these teams’ to develop proud fans when their own team is trying to steal our look. Solid colors works nicely for plenty of teams and when I see the Mets, Rockies, Astros and others wear stripes it just saddens me. C’mon, guys establish your identity

    Of course tell Fred Wilpon that and he’ll start screaming about his beloved Dodgers or Giants or hell the New York Galaxy- anything but the Mets history ;) I think they will soon be sporting old Highlander gear soon enough, anything but Mets gear!!

    P.S. I still respect the teams that steal our look more than teams that wear Spring training gear for the regular season. I’m looking at you Boston, Tampa, Atlanta and of course the Mets.

    • Whitey14

      I realize that the Yankees are the most famous wearers of pinstripes, but they were hardly the first team to wear them so at some point in baseball’s history, they were actually the team to steal somebody else’s look.

      http://www.baseball-almanac.com/articles/uniforms.shtml

      And with regard to ridiculing teams that add some color to their uniforms, it’s been happening since the early part of the 20th century and although I apologize for not remembering where I read this in the 90’s, thousands of fans surveyed listed Baseball’s uniforms as boring in comparison to Football, Basketball and Hockey’s. Apparently they weren’t watching baseball in the 70’s and early 80’s ;-)

      • PinstripesForeverDouglas

        Yeah, I guess we did technically stole the original pinstripe uniform concept. Although, as soon as the Babe put on those extra large pinstripes, it became our iconic look. I feel bad for the original pinstripe teams, but they should rest assure that their look went on to the ultimate recognition and nobility.

        And, I agree that baseball uni’s pale in comparison to hockey sweaters. Still, I think the baseball uniforms are better than football jerseys and has the slight edge over basketball uniforms.

    • http://www.facebook.com/dougchu Doug

      Actually, I’ve always thought that the Mets’ pinstripes look sharp. I wish they wore them more often.

      Pinstripes look sharp in general. As long as they’re not navy blue, if it looks good, I’m cool with that.

      • http://www.facebook.com/dougchu Doug

        Oh, and they don’t go well with road grays. I’m looking at you, Minnesota.

        /Uni Watch prissiness
        /shits pants

      • PinstripesForeverDouglas

        The stripe Met uniforms may look good but, I still feel in a city with the most famous pinstripe uniform,it just doesn’t feel right. They should wear those solid white home uniforms and that’s it, IMO.

  • JGS

    that live streaming feature needs a better name than twitcam

  • Zack

    holy shit, Phillies just got a triple play to end the game (and save Lidge)

    • Tony

      More importantly, who is standing behind Brad Lidge right now?

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Somewhere, Mitch Williams is dusting off his ol’ powder blue road uni…

        [Ed. Note: Yes, I know Williams didn’t play for the Phils while they wore the blues. Shut up, you’re ruining my narrative.]

        • PinstripesForeverDouglas

          I liked those powder blu uniforms; they make any 2nd rate franchis look fine and dandy. Well, except, for the Cardinals because they never needed to mess with their gorgeous uniforms and their a 1st rate team.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            One of the reasons the Royals are my second favorite MLB team is those gorgeous unis. The whites, the grays, and the powder blues are all awesome. Thankfully, they scrapped the blacks.

            The Pirates are my third team, but I still struggle to forgive them for this:

            http://www.velcroblog.com/images/nonbraves/larochelol.jpg

            That’s just shameful.

            • Dayman, fighter of the Nightman

              I miss the flat caps they used to wear.

    • Riddering

      Isn’t that how every tight win comes for the Phillies nowadays, ie the team saving Lidge instead of Lidge saving the game?

      • http://www.facebook.com/dougchu Doug

        “Brad, you carried us through the playoffs to a World Series championship… now let us carry you.”

  • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime

    Only the Mets can get an inside-the-park HR and then lose on an unassisted triple play in the same game.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Is that a bet? You’re ON!

      Sincerely,
      The Diamondbacks

    • JGS

      Holden Kushner from MLB on XM this morning said the Mets were the hardest team in baseball to be a fan of (this following the announcement that Omar is staying, and Omar saying he is sticking with Jerry).

      That is over clubs like the Nats and Pirates. ouch

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        “Holden Kushner” sounds like an alias. A fake name that a celebrity puts down on a hotel register.

        • Jack

          Phil McCracken?

          • http://www.facebook.com/dougchu Doug

            Ron Mexico

  • Joey

    Opinions needed: best (free) fantasy football site:
    -NFL.com
    -Yahoo
    -ESPN
    -Other

    Want to make a league with some friends, last year used Yahoo, the year before NFL, I was happier with NFL but want to see what you guys think

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      In the theme of the Open Thread headline “Lazy Sunday”,

      -Well, let’s hit up NFL.com to find the dopest route.
      -I prefer ESPN.
      -That’s a good one, too.
      -Yahoo is the best.
      -True that.
      DOUBLE TRUE!

    • Rob

      Try Fleaflicker.com if you’d like.

  • radnom

    Camped outside the green monster now a couple hours for tickets. Entertain me guys.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Play everyone’s favorite Boston drinking game, “Spot the Douchebag”.

      Everytime you see a Boston Douchebag, drink a beer.

      I’ll go ahead and call the paramedics in advance for you.

      • Riddering

        You might as well call a loan officer too, unless he brought his own cooler stuffed with beer.

        • ShuutoHeat

          Bring him a spare liver and a team of surgeons while you’re at it.

          • Riddering

            Well, at least radnom wouldn’t be bored!

            • Jack

              Pro: Not bored
              Con: Good chance of death

              Sounds like fun.

              • Riddering

                Well, how much fun is a lone Yankee fan going to have when camped outside Fenway *without* booze?

                • ShuutoHeat

                  or an assault rifle with a chest load of ammo…

                  JK!

      • radnom

        Someone just took my picture for yankeesfanssuck.com

        • Riddering

          How great is that second entry? Not only does it make no sense and contradict his moral high ground but…as stupid as that “Boston sucks…” shirt is, Boston fans still take the classless prize with their A-Rod/Jeter shirt from times past.

    • Jack
    • JGS

      make a note of how many comments you get from Sox fans and a separate note of how many comments from fellow Yankee fans to stay strong (if you wearing Yankees gear that is)

      • radnom

        I actually lucked out we are behind and in front of fellow yankee fans

    • Riddering

      No, I demand that you entertain us!

      Take pictures of all the Boston chinfuzz you can see.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Men only, please.

        • Whitey14

          IETC ;-)

  • PinstripesForeverDouglas

    some might consider this “entertaining”. Thoughts?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpULmV-IhZk

  • Riddering

    Død snø or Inglorious Bastards?

    I say the former. Nazi zombies automatically overrule historitrash by Tarantino.

  • Salty Buggah

    Wow, Ubaldo Jimenez had 35+ pitches through 2 inning and is in the 8th inning with about 105 pitches.

  • V

    Are the Giants TRYING to kill Lincecum’s arm? 100 pitches through 6, obviously without his best stuff, and sent him out there to throw another 20 in the 7th.

    The kid’s awesome, but DAAMN, I hope he doesn’t hurt that arm.

    • Salty Buggah

      and he seemed tired as he hung a ball which led to a 2-run BOMB which then to the Rox lead of 3-2

  • Reggie C.

    Just watched what i think is the best movie of the year: District 9.

    I think it might be the best directed, acted, and shot scifi-action movie of the decade!

    Guys! Watch it and thank me later.

    • Mr.Jigginz

      A friend of mine went to see District 9 and said similar to .I haven’t seen it yet,but plan to.

      • Mr.Jigginz

        *,too

    • YankeeScribe

      It’s basically the movie/tv show ‘Alien Nation’ but in South Africa instead of the USA…

      It was well-produced and the acting was good but it’s boring after the first 30 minutes because everything is spoonfed to you after that point in the film. Plus none of the main characters are likeable.

      • PinstripesForeverDouglas

        Waitaminute you didn’t Christopher Johnson was likable? Or what about his son, C.J.? Although, I agree none of the humans were likeable, especially the main character. Still, he did redeem himself in the end and I bet he will become a better living being in his transformed state. Hope there is a district 10 someday. Overall, I would give it a 3 out of 4.

        • YankeeScribe

          Not really. With the exception of CJ’s son, every main character was all about their own self interest in one way or another. I felt like Wikus got what he deserved in the end and didn’t feel sorry for him.

          Also, the action scenes were kind of poorly filmed in my opinion.

          Overall I would give the movie a B- . It’s worth watching. I just don’t think it has much re-watchability…

  • Drew

    Hey look, Smoltz was good in the NL. heh

  • AndrewYF

    I think we can say that it’s likely the Oliver Perez will be worse than the Yankees’ Carl Pavano signing.

    • PinstripesForeverDouglas

      Yeah, I guess Andrew. Still, Oliver will always have a higher ceiling than Pavano plus he did provide the Mets a healthy dose of successful outings against their rivals. Even if doesn’t do anything else, Perez will never be as bad as Pavano. Although, Zito’s contract will always be the all-time worse pitcher signing.

  • Mike bk

    question about arbitration. andy according to the latest elias rankings is nearly a type A FA. my question is about whether his arb figure would be based off the 5.5 in guaranteed money or the more probably 10-11 he will actually make after all his incentives are reached?

    • AndrewYF

      It’s his salary the year before. If he gets paid $11 million in salary due to incentives, his salary was $11 million.

  • YankeeScribe

    Here’s a nice read about Mr. Bojangles and the Yankees

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/23/sports/baseball/23bojangles.html?ref=sports

    • Riddering

      Thank you so much for linking to that article. What a great read about the history and culture that has intersected with Yankee baseball.

      I’m a tap dance geek and have always admired Robinson but I never knew he was such a Yankee fan. (Side note: Gene Kelly is mentioned in the article and I do know that he also loved the Yanks. This team really does have the best fans in the world.)

      • YankeeScribe

        Yeah. I can imagine Robinson tap dancing on top of the Yankees dugout. Must have been a sight to see

  • Tank the Frank

    VIA Lohud:
    UPDATE, 6:24 p.m.: Here’s what the always professional and classy Jonathan Papelbon told WEEI.com yesterday about the idea of the Red Sox obtaining Billy Wagner:

    “What has he done? Has he pitched this year? Is he ready to pitch or is he not? … I think our bullpen is good where we’re at right now. Don’t get me wrong. But I guess you could always make it better. It’s kind of like the (Eric) Gagne thing, I guess.”

    Jonathan Papelbon must wake up in the morning, look himself in the mirror and say: “I WILL be more of an ass today.” That being said, Wagner isn’t known to be the nicest guy in the world either. Damn that would be fun if they ended up getting him. He may make them a better team, but then again, so many horrendous things can happen….