Comments on: On criticism and Joba http://riveraveblues.com/2009/08/on-criticism-and-joba-16543/ A New York Yankees Blog Mon, 28 May 2012 11:10:41 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Joe G http://riveraveblues.com/2009/08/on-criticism-and-joba-16543/#comment-581626 Joe G Tue, 15 Sep 2009 21:34:40 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=16543#comment-581626 Utter nonsense. The Yankees have mishandled Joba and you know. If I wanted such a nonsensical, I would of just turned on the YES Network, not an affiliated blog. Joe G Utter nonsense. The Yankees have mishandled Joba and you know. If I wanted such a nonsensical, I would of just turned on the YES Network, not an affiliated blog.

Joe G

]]> By: Renny Baseball http://riveraveblues.com/2009/08/on-criticism-and-joba-16543/#comment-561452 Renny Baseball Tue, 01 Sep 2009 05:52:58 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=16543#comment-561452 I agree with Joe's post and welcome a sophistication about this. At this point, the team is really left with choices of imperfect, flawed solutions with Joba to preserve his inning limits. My problem with this remains the absence of any planning from the start of the year and the sense that now this new post-All Star break edition of the "rules" was born out of panic. All of this breeds mistrust in the decision-making now. If Joba was limited to 160 innings from the start of the year, why were his innings pitched per start not monitored from his very first start? Or, what about an extended spring training for Joba? Girardi's claim that there was a plan in place all year rings very hollow and dishonest. Instead, it appears as though the decision-makers (I don't know if he gets lumped in with Cashman or not) acted brashly as though someone tapped them on the shoulder and reminded them mid-way through the year to shift courses. Doesn't change how Joba should be managed going forward but it does suggest negligence by the team. Also, I am not sure that, adding post-season starts (and "all hands on board" approach), keeps his inning limits within the safe range of innings tacked on to those he pitched previously (highest total or last year, I believe?) I hope Joba is healthy and effective next year but it will be interesting if, even after all of the hyper-management of the innings, his season takes a hit given that the team's management is not inspiring a lot of confidence in managing this pitcher. I agree with Joe’s post and welcome a sophistication about this. At this point, the team is really left with choices of imperfect, flawed solutions with Joba to preserve his inning limits.

My problem with this remains the absence of any planning from the start of the year and the sense that now this new post-All Star break edition of the “rules” was born out of panic. All of this breeds mistrust in the decision-making now.

If Joba was limited to 160 innings from the start of the year, why were his innings pitched per start not monitored from his very first start? Or, what about an extended spring training for Joba? Girardi’s claim that there was a plan in place all year rings very hollow and dishonest.

Instead, it appears as though the decision-makers (I don’t know if he gets lumped in with Cashman or not) acted brashly as though someone tapped them on the shoulder and reminded them mid-way through the year to shift courses. Doesn’t change how Joba should be managed going forward but it does suggest negligence by the team. Also, I am not sure that, adding post-season starts (and “all hands on board” approach), keeps his inning limits within the safe range of innings tacked on to those he pitched previously (highest total or last year, I believe?) I hope Joba is healthy and effective next year but it will be interesting if, even after all of the hyper-management of the innings, his season takes a hit given that the team’s management is not inspiring a lot of confidence in managing this pitcher.

]]> By: To pitch or not to pitch http://riveraveblues.com/2009/08/on-criticism-and-joba-16543/#comment-561382 To pitch or not to pitch Tue, 01 Sep 2009 04:10:59 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=16543#comment-561382 [...] even think of a viable third option, let alone a better one. In a well-reasoned piece at River Ave. Blues, Joe Pawlikowski argues along similar lines, calling out fellow Yankee-bloggers in the process: [...] [...] even think of a viable third option, let alone a better one. In a well-reasoned piece at River Ave. Blues, Joe Pawlikowski argues along similar lines, calling out fellow Yankee-bloggers in the process: [...]

]]> By: The Artist http://riveraveblues.com/2009/08/on-criticism-and-joba-16543/#comment-560410 The Artist Mon, 31 Aug 2009 22:40:03 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=16543#comment-560410 Bingo. Bingo.

]]> By: lenNY's Yankees http://riveraveblues.com/2009/08/on-criticism-and-joba-16543/#comment-560148 lenNY's Yankees Mon, 31 Aug 2009 19:17:08 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=16543#comment-560148 Here you go drew: http://www.scottproctorsarm.com/2009/08/on-joba.html Here you go drew:
http://www.scottproctorsarm.co.....-joba.html

]]> By: Joseph M http://riveraveblues.com/2009/08/on-criticism-and-joba-16543/#comment-560137 Joseph M Mon, 31 Aug 2009 19:07:35 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=16543#comment-560137 Joba has gone backwards, two years ago he was a player of importance now he's a starter who really isn't starting. Yesterday the Yanks used 6 pitchers to get them through the game. Maybe the Yanks can support that with September call ups but I see no growth coming out of this at all. I would have no confidence in Joba starting a postseason game. The Yankees have three starters to get them through the postseason I hope it's enough. Joba has gone backwards, two years ago he was a player of importance now he’s a starter who really isn’t starting. Yesterday the Yanks used 6 pitchers to get them through the game.
Maybe the Yanks can support that with September call ups but I see no growth coming out of this at all. I would have no confidence in Joba starting a postseason game. The Yankees have three starters to get them through the postseason I hope it’s enough.

]]> By: Omar http://riveraveblues.com/2009/08/on-criticism-and-joba-16543/#comment-560105 Omar Mon, 31 Aug 2009 18:41:05 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=16543#comment-560105 Lincecum had a 3.63 FIP and Chamberlain has a 4.63. I honestly don't see what you're getting at, yeah Lincecum was just making the transition to the major leagues...he also flashed a plus plus fastball that AVERAGED 94.2, and at least a plus breaking ball in just about every start. Whereas, Chamberlain has spent half of his starts looking like a crappier Ian Kennedy. Lincecum had a 3.63 FIP and Chamberlain has a 4.63. I honestly don’t see what you’re getting at, yeah Lincecum was just making the transition to the major leagues…he also flashed a plus plus fastball that AVERAGED 94.2, and at least a plus breaking ball in just about every start. Whereas, Chamberlain has spent half of his starts looking like a crappier Ian Kennedy.

]]> By: Joba or Hughes to the pen http://riveraveblues.com/2009/08/on-criticism-and-joba-16543/#comment-559997 Joba or Hughes to the pen Mon, 31 Aug 2009 17:33:57 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=16543#comment-559997 How is Joba not in the pen?He's pitching three innings a game. No matter what Joba with or without the Joba rules hasn't lived up to the hype.I was expecting a lot more from him. How is Joba not in the pen?He’s pitching three innings a game.

No matter what Joba with or without the Joba rules hasn’t lived up to the hype.I was expecting a lot more from him.

]]> By: austin http://riveraveblues.com/2009/08/on-criticism-and-joba-16543/#comment-559974 austin Mon, 31 Aug 2009 17:24:41 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=16543#comment-559974 Either move Joba to the pen so he doesnt throw as many innings, have a Joba Hughes Mo combo and really shorten the games. Or let him throw as many innings as possible, especially come playoffs number 27 should be first priority after all shouldnt it. Not everyone is gonna get hurt bc they throw this many innings or dont, look at King Felix same age as joba and has thrown over 200 innings every year in the bigs. Either move Joba to the pen so he doesnt throw as many innings, have a Joba Hughes Mo combo and really shorten the games. Or let him throw as many innings as possible, especially come playoffs number 27 should be first priority after all shouldnt it. Not everyone is gonna get hurt bc they throw this many innings or dont, look at King Felix same age as joba and has thrown over 200 innings every year in the bigs.

]]> By: Ross http://riveraveblues.com/2009/08/on-criticism-and-joba-16543/#comment-559901 Ross Mon, 31 Aug 2009 16:52:13 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=16543#comment-559901 I have a brother named Nick, and I'm hoping he isn't the person who made the above comment. I have a brother named Nick, and I’m hoping he isn’t the person who made the above comment.

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