Comments on: Quick musings on Hughes’ inning

By: EB

EB — Thu, 06 Aug 2009 23:34:33 +0000

We have already discussed the Verducci rule at length. It clearly states that a pitcher should not exceed their previous career high by more than 30 IP. Nowhere does it state that Phil 146 Innings has expired as relevant and that his new limit would be according to this year IP + 30.

Mike you should know better than to re-hash something that has been debunked.
If the yankees are following this Verducci rule, nowhere does it say that Hughes’ IP limit will not be 176 Innings.

By: Bob Stone

Bob Stone — Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:55:02 +0000

I agree. That is my understanding of the Verducci Rule. It’s 30 innings over your recent career high (not the previous year’s innings).

By: BklynJT

BklynJT — Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:54:37 +0000

With all the bitch about the need of a fifth starter, you’d think the yankees are 1-3 when Mitre pitches, instead of the 3-1 right now. Obviously, those wins are because of the offense, but rally, what 5th starter is any good in the first place…

Now, imagine the outcry when/if that ratio starts leaning towards the other side.

If you look at the Hughes scenario, you can optimistically hope for Hughes to end the season around 150 pitches (which includes some innings in winter ball). So it is possible, that Hughes does reach some where near the phantom innings limit placed on him at the beginning of the year. The only problem is, I can easily see that Yankees NOT putting Hughes in winter ball.

By: donttradecano

donttradecano — Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:50:52 +0000

isnt it 30 innings over your career high, not previous year? If his career high is at 146, wouldnt 176 be his high?

By: Matt ACTY/BBD

Matt ACTY/BBD — Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:50:11 +0000

Not if he goes to Puerto Rico!

By: BklynJT

BklynJT — Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:45:46 +0000

Sorry Hughes, no winter vacation for you. Get your passport ready.

By: Ed

Ed — Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:42:19 +0000

In that context, innings are innings. Relievers throw 50-90 innings because that’s all they’re capable of. Almost all relievers are failed starters. They’re inherently worth less.

Why does an inning where a guy throws 40 pitches equal an inning where a guy throws 10.

It’s not really equal, but things get far harder to quantify at that point. We just go by innings most of the time because for most pitchers, things even out. Sure, we know that 240 innings from Halladay is roughly equal stress to 200 innings from the average pitcher, but guys like that are rare. And they usually don’t get to that point until they’re past innings limits anyway.

If the Yanks are truly using this fixed inning, no matter what the other circumstances strategy, of protecting their young starters, it is a sad day indeed.

They probably don’t. Odds are they have more advanced data than we do. They aren’t saying anything though about what their plans are.

By: Chris

Chris — Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:32:37 +0000

The point is it’s generally considered to be based off the previous career high. So the 150 limit next year probably won’t apply.

By: Mike HC

Mike HC — Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:20:49 +0000

I don’t get why a bullpen inning is not worth more than a starting inning. If starters can pitch 180-220 innings per year and relievers only 50-90 about, why does a relief inning count the same as a starting inning. Why does an inning where a guy throws 40 pitches equal an inning where a guy throws 10. If the Yanks are truly using this fixed inning, no matter what the other circumstances strategy, of protecting their young starters, it is a sad day indeed. Thankfully, I don’t think they do.

By: King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

King of Fruitless Hypotheticals — Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:19:39 +0000

someone tell me ~~Ramiro Pena~~ Fransisco Cervelli is on the way to the big club.

just love that guy.

no, no logic, no facts…i just see his energy with my own eyes.