Comments on: The “Joba is babied” line is tired by now http://riveraveblues.com/2009/08/the-joba-is-babied-line-is-tired-by-now-15942/ A New York Yankees Blog Wed, 15 Feb 2012 04:28:35 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Tango answers questions from a sabermetric skeptic | River Avenue Blues http://riveraveblues.com/2009/08/the-joba-is-babied-line-is-tired-by-now-15942/#comment-736295 Tango answers questions from a sabermetric skeptic | River Avenue Blues Wed, 30 Dec 2009 19:01:51 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=15942#comment-736295 [...] no strangers to Mike Silva. We’ve addressed at least one of his evidence-less rants, and see plenty more of him on the BBTF Newsstand. In the traditional talk radio style, he makes [...] [...] no strangers to Mike Silva. We’ve addressed at least one of his evidence-less rants, and see plenty more of him on the BBTF Newsstand. In the traditional talk radio style, he makes [...]

]]> By: All considered, Yanks handling Joba well | River Avenue Blues http://riveraveblues.com/2009/08/the-joba-is-babied-line-is-tired-by-now-15942/#comment-537052 All considered, Yanks handling Joba well | River Avenue Blues Tue, 18 Aug 2009 15:31:43 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=15942#comment-537052 [...] like this, fans tend to clamor. Joba is obviously a reliever, some might say. Others go to the already tired line that Joba is being babied. I ranted on the latter topic on Sunday, but Gary Armida of the recently resurrected [...] [...] like this, fans tend to clamor. Joba is obviously a reliever, some might say. Others go to the already tired line that Joba is being babied. I ranted on the latter topic on Sunday, but Gary Armida of the recently resurrected [...]

]]> By: yankee in virginia http://riveraveblues.com/2009/08/the-joba-is-babied-line-is-tired-by-now-15942/#comment-535308 yankee in virginia Mon, 17 Aug 2009 15:25:02 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=15942#comment-535308 the real issue may be that Joba is not the real deal 22 yr old - relatively unproven pitchers would be beter off not shaking off catchers -- despite all the booth admonitions to "get on the same page" we would humbly assert that Joba, Hughes et. al. just don't have the experience to read hitters the way Posada, Molina do -- maybe my old coach had it right -- leave your brain on the bench and throw Joba "appears" to want to fool batters when he might safely overpower them -- he is doing .200 hitters a favor by throwing sliders vs. locating his FB It drives us fans crazy that he can pitch to Junior and make the 9 hitter look like Junior Must make Eiland and Girardi crazy as well but they can KITA and force him to listen -- he is in danger of being the phenom flame out -- searching for whatever he had in the pen, for seasons to come I am not down on Joba -- I want him to succeed - he is just a kid but he is getting in his own way. In similar ways Phil Franchise can lapse into the nibble the corners, trick a hitter but he has shown less of this than Joba Maybe the light switch goes on in the next game -- we thought it was there against the Red Sox -- with AJ and CC the Yankees have the luxury of bringing Joba and Hughes along -- they are kids and need to be directed -- I think that is what girardi gets paid for. the real issue may be that Joba is not the real deal

22 yr old – relatively unproven pitchers would be beter off not shaking off catchers — despite all the booth admonitions to “get on the same page” we would humbly assert that Joba, Hughes et. al. just don’t have the experience to read hitters the way Posada, Molina do — maybe my old coach had it right — leave your brain on the bench and throw

Joba “appears” to want to fool batters when he might safely overpower them — he is doing .200 hitters a favor by throwing sliders vs. locating his FB

It drives us fans crazy that he can pitch to Junior and make the 9 hitter look like Junior

Must make Eiland and Girardi crazy as well but they can KITA and force him to listen — he is in danger of being the phenom flame out — searching for whatever he had in the pen, for seasons to come

I am not down on Joba — I want him to succeed – he is just a kid but he is getting in his own way.
In similar ways Phil Franchise can lapse into the nibble the corners, trick a hitter but he has shown less of this than Joba

Maybe the light switch goes on in the next game — we thought it was there against the Red Sox — with AJ and CC the Yankees have the luxury of bringing Joba and Hughes along — they are kids and need to be directed — I think that is what girardi gets paid for.

]]> By: jonas http://riveraveblues.com/2009/08/the-joba-is-babied-line-is-tired-by-now-15942/#comment-535023 jonas Mon, 17 Aug 2009 01:07:16 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=15942#comment-535023 i love tex as much as the next person, but joe mauer is having one of the best seasons in baseball history, and he's a catcher which makes it all the more amazing. just look at the numbers, it's staggering. i love tex as much as the next person, but joe mauer is having one of the best seasons in baseball history, and he’s a catcher which makes it all the more amazing. just look at the numbers, it’s staggering.

]]> By: lenNY's Yankees http://riveraveblues.com/2009/08/the-joba-is-babied-line-is-tired-by-now-15942/#comment-534996 lenNY's Yankees Mon, 17 Aug 2009 00:04:15 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=15942#comment-534996 Wow. Excellent article, Joe. Completely agree. I want to link all of my Red Sox fan friends to this article. Wow. Excellent article, Joe. Completely agree. I want to link all of my Red Sox fan friends to this article.

]]> By: Yankee1010 http://riveraveblues.com/2009/08/the-joba-is-babied-line-is-tired-by-now-15942/#comment-534982 Yankee1010 Sun, 16 Aug 2009 23:47:29 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=15942#comment-534982 You have no clue what you're talking about. That's all everyone else is saying. You have no clue what you’re talking about. That’s all everyone else is saying.

]]> By: Mike Silva http://riveraveblues.com/2009/08/the-joba-is-babied-line-is-tired-by-now-15942/#comment-534966 Mike Silva Sun, 16 Aug 2009 23:31:02 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=15942#comment-534966 If a pitcher needs this much development and can't go once every five days than clearly he is not ready for the big leagues. That is all I am saying. If a pitcher needs this much development and can’t go once every five days than clearly he is not ready for the big leagues. That is all I am saying.

]]> By: Yankee1010 http://riveraveblues.com/2009/08/the-joba-is-babied-line-is-tired-by-now-15942/#comment-534923 Yankee1010 Sun, 16 Aug 2009 22:58:41 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=15942#comment-534923 Yeah, put a guy with a sub 4.00 ERA while pitching in the AL East in Scranton. Wow. I can't believe the lengths that you go to in order to make it 100% clear to everyone that you have no idea what you're talking about. Yeah, put a guy with a sub 4.00 ERA while pitching in the AL East in Scranton.

Wow. I can’t believe the lengths that you go to in order to make it 100% clear to everyone that you have no idea what you’re talking about.

]]> By: DF http://riveraveblues.com/2009/08/the-joba-is-babied-line-is-tired-by-now-15942/#comment-534913 DF Sun, 16 Aug 2009 22:52:16 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=15942#comment-534913 You're just grasping at straws now. What does Joba resembling Sergio Mitre have to do with your original point, that the Yankees are babying him? You stated earlier you that Mitre and Gaudin should not be starting in place of Joba. Now you want to send him down to Scranton to ensure that they do so? And finally, whether Joba pitches poorly or not has essentially nothing to do with why he can't pitch every five days for the rest of the season. I'm starting to think you don't have a point. You just have a termpermental aversion to the idea of innings limits. You’re just grasping at straws now.

What does Joba resembling Sergio Mitre have to do with your original point, that the Yankees are babying him?

You stated earlier you that Mitre and Gaudin should not be starting in place of Joba. Now you want to send him down to Scranton to ensure that they do so?

And finally, whether Joba pitches poorly or not has essentially nothing to do with why he can’t pitch every five days for the rest of the season.

I’m starting to think you don’t have a point. You just have a termpermental aversion to the idea of innings limits.

]]> By: Mike Silva http://riveraveblues.com/2009/08/the-joba-is-babied-line-is-tired-by-now-15942/#comment-534873 Mike Silva Sun, 16 Aug 2009 22:37:29 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=15942#comment-534873 Well, it's not pontificating Yankees1010 Another outing where Joba resembled Sergio Mitre. If it was about development he should be doing that in Scranton, not during a pennant race in New York. I still see no reason why he can't pitch every five days. Well, it’s not pontificating Yankees1010

Another outing where Joba resembled Sergio Mitre. If it was about development he should be doing that in Scranton, not during a pennant race in New York. I still see no reason why he can’t pitch every five days.

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