Comments on: The most important fifth starter in the history of the universe http://riveraveblues.com/2009/08/the-most-important-fifth-starter-in-the-history-of-the-universe-15309/ A New York Yankees Blog Mon, 28 May 2012 11:19:31 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: JeffG http://riveraveblues.com/2009/08/the-most-important-fifth-starter-in-the-history-of-the-universe-15309/#comment-507451 JeffG Sat, 01 Aug 2009 21:20:59 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=15309#comment-507451 The problem is we have chinks in our bullpen as well. The other is our two competitors in the East don't have the fifth starter problem. It will cost us. The problem is we have chinks in our bullpen as well. The other is our two competitors in the East don’t have the fifth starter problem. It will cost us.

]]> By: Riddering http://riveraveblues.com/2009/08/the-most-important-fifth-starter-in-the-history-of-the-universe-15309/#comment-507017 Riddering Sat, 01 Aug 2009 19:38:08 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=15309#comment-507017 Just because it's a theme song don't make it not true. Just because it’s a theme song don’t make it not true.

]]> By: Whitey14 http://riveraveblues.com/2009/08/the-most-important-fifth-starter-in-the-history-of-the-universe-15309/#comment-506960 Whitey14 Sat, 01 Aug 2009 18:54:21 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=15309#comment-506960 You have way too many fun links to throw at me....I'm going to throw sausage links at you ;-) You have way too many fun links to throw at me….I’m going to throw sausage links at you ;-)

]]> By: tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside http://riveraveblues.com/2009/08/the-most-important-fifth-starter-in-the-history-of-the-universe-15309/#comment-506939 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside Sat, 01 Aug 2009 18:33:06 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=15309#comment-506939 http://813noise.com/images/spin-cycle-header.gif http://813noise.com/images/spin-cycle-header.gif

]]> By: cr1 http://riveraveblues.com/2009/08/the-most-important-fifth-starter-in-the-history-of-the-universe-15309/#comment-506932 cr1 Sat, 01 Aug 2009 18:16:15 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=15309#comment-506932 Did I miss something or did we just have a 'mental mistakes' rant without mentioning the biggest mental mistake of the night -- Girardi leaving Aceves in for a second inning when he's barely back off the DL? Did I miss something or did we just have a ‘mental mistakes’ rant without mentioning the biggest mental mistake of the night — Girardi leaving Aceves in for a second inning when he’s barely back off the DL?

]]> By: Whitey14 http://riveraveblues.com/2009/08/the-most-important-fifth-starter-in-the-history-of-the-universe-15309/#comment-506928 Whitey14 Sat, 01 Aug 2009 18:13:31 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=15309#comment-506928 No offense, but by the time he starts getting more run support, he could be pitching like crap again. I can't believe he'll sustain the run he's on. From an outsider's viewpoint it seems like the Yankee's starting pitchers have been as streaky as Boston starting nine hitters have been. I'm just hoping the streaks work out in our favor right around September 1. I'm content to ride in 2nd place until then so we can block your potential waiver pick-ups ;-) No offense, but by the time he starts getting more run support, he could be pitching like crap again. I can’t believe he’ll sustain the run he’s on. From an outsider’s viewpoint it seems like the Yankee’s starting pitchers have been as streaky as Boston starting nine hitters have been. I’m just hoping the streaks work out in our favor right around September 1. I’m content to ride in 2nd place until then so we can block your potential waiver pick-ups ;-)

]]> By: Count Zero http://riveraveblues.com/2009/08/the-most-important-fifth-starter-in-the-history-of-the-universe-15309/#comment-506922 Count Zero Sat, 01 Aug 2009 18:09:26 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=15309#comment-506922 I don't disagree with the overall premise -- that the Yankees mental mistakes are of more concern than Mitre's pitching over the long term. But I also think you're downplaying Mitre's crappiness to some extent. In the recap thread you referred to him throwing a "clunker" from time to time, but even if you throw out last night and look at his first two starts: 10.2IP, 17H, 8R, 7ER, 5.91ERA. Mitre has been just as Posnerian as the original Posnerian -- and in fact may create a new adjective of his own before he's done. Realistically speaking, he is more likely to throw a clunker than not each and every time out. Yeah, we may win a few of his starts through sheer offense, but it won't be many and the lingering effect his starts have on the bullpen is real. The reality is I don't want to see him make more than one or two more starts at most, and with the Joba innings cap looming, we do have a very real concern with our rotation. A Phil / Joba swap seems inevitable (and rightly so), but as of right now no one on the Yankees has acknowledged that. And so we're standing at: September #4 ? September #5 ? That's not so hot if you expect to grab a playoff spot in a very contested race. Not saying we won't, but I'd prefer a little more security. I don’t disagree with the overall premise — that the Yankees mental mistakes are of more concern than Mitre’s pitching over the long term. But I also think you’re downplaying Mitre’s crappiness to some extent.

In the recap thread you referred to him throwing a “clunker” from time to time, but even if you throw out last night and look at his first two starts: 10.2IP, 17H, 8R, 7ER, 5.91ERA. Mitre has been just as Posnerian as the original Posnerian — and in fact may create a new adjective of his own before he’s done. Realistically speaking, he is more likely to throw a clunker than not each and every time out.

Yeah, we may win a few of his starts through sheer offense, but it won’t be many and the lingering effect his starts have on the bullpen is real. The reality is I don’t want to see him make more than one or two more starts at most, and with the Joba innings cap looming, we do have a very real concern with our rotation. A Phil / Joba swap seems inevitable (and rightly so), but as of right now no one on the Yankees has acknowledged that. And so we’re standing at:

September #4 ?
September #5 ?

That’s not so hot if you expect to grab a playoff spot in a very contested race. Not saying we won’t, but I’d prefer a little more security.

]]> By: Whitey14 http://riveraveblues.com/2009/08/the-most-important-fifth-starter-in-the-history-of-the-universe-15309/#comment-506923 Whitey14 Sat, 01 Aug 2009 18:09:26 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=15309#comment-506923 Theo never cared for Ramirez and would never have signed him to that contract. It's never personal with this guy and everybody learns it eventually. (See Millar, Kevin who thought he was Theo's buddy). The "mammoth by design" part means they leave themselves room every year to make a deal if they need to, it doesn't mean the particulars of the deal are worked out in Spring Training. Last year the deal that had to be made was getting rid of a malcontent who cared nothing about his teammates and the bad spots he put them in with his ridiclous sophomoric antics. Is Jason Bay the hitter Ramirez is, obviously not, but he's a better person and a better fit in the clubhouse. I realize many people don't care about harmony in the clubhouse anymore, but it still has it's value. Could the Sox have beaten Tampa Bay in the ALCS with Ramirez instead of Bay, possibly, but who's to say Ramirez wouldn't have been faking another injury or watching strikes go by. Paying his salary to me shows how much they wanted him out of there, just like putting him on waivers a few years before. Theo never cared for Ramirez and would never have signed him to that contract. It’s never personal with this guy and everybody learns it eventually. (See Millar, Kevin who thought he was Theo’s buddy).

The “mammoth by design” part means they leave themselves room every year to make a deal if they need to, it doesn’t mean the particulars of the deal are worked out in Spring Training. Last year the deal that had to be made was getting rid of a malcontent who cared nothing about his teammates and the bad spots he put them in with his ridiclous sophomoric antics. Is Jason Bay the hitter Ramirez is, obviously not, but he’s a better person and a better fit in the clubhouse. I realize many people don’t care about harmony in the clubhouse anymore, but it still has it’s value. Could the Sox have beaten Tampa Bay in the ALCS with Ramirez instead of Bay, possibly, but who’s to say Ramirez wouldn’t have been faking another injury or watching strikes go by. Paying his salary to me shows how much they wanted him out of there, just like putting him on waivers a few years before.

]]> By: Januz http://riveraveblues.com/2009/08/the-most-important-fifth-starter-in-the-history-of-the-universe-15309/#comment-506918 Januz Sat, 01 Aug 2009 18:04:14 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=15309#comment-506918 The way I see it they have various options: 1: Keep Joba where he is and pitch Mitre. 2: Same but substitute Igawa. 3: Same but substitute Hughes 4: A trade for a Bannister.. 5: Flip Flop Hughes and Joba. 6, 7. 8 same variations but using Phil Hughes. Whatever they do should include more opportunities for Mark Melancon. My point is this: If they are so concerned about Joba and the future, they better be willing to spend the $$$$$$$$$ necessary to make sure that the future is bright. The way I see it they have various options: 1: Keep Joba where he is and pitch Mitre. 2: Same but substitute Igawa. 3: Same but substitute Hughes 4: A trade for a Bannister.. 5: Flip Flop Hughes and Joba. 6, 7. 8 same variations but using Phil Hughes. Whatever they do should include more opportunities for Mark Melancon.
My point is this: If they are so concerned about Joba and the future, they better be willing to spend the $$$$$$$$$ necessary to make sure that the future is bright.

]]> By: tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside http://riveraveblues.com/2009/08/the-most-important-fifth-starter-in-the-history-of-the-universe-15309/#comment-506917 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside Sat, 01 Aug 2009 17:53:04 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=15309#comment-506917 This current season's success in tiny sample sizes notwithstanding, Hinske's pretty "meh" against lefties. (Then again, Ransom's entire career is a small sample size, but...) Eric Hinske, Career v LHP: .223/.300/.374 in 741 PA Cody Ransom, Career v LHP: .273/.349/.468 in 87 PA Just playing the lefty/righty percentages. This current season’s success in tiny sample sizes notwithstanding, Hinske’s pretty “meh” against lefties. (Then again, Ransom’s entire career is a small sample size, but…)

Eric Hinske, Career v LHP: .223/.300/.374 in 741 PA
Cody Ransom, Career v LHP: .273/.349/.468 in 87 PA

Just playing the lefty/righty percentages.

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