Comments on: Torre v. Girardi: Better managing a bullpen

By: The Love Pours in For Girardi |

The Love Pours in For Girardi | — Fri, 14 Aug 2009 19:39:49 +0000

[...] Ben Kabak care of RAB: With those three years in mind, examining the last two years is a breath of fresh air. While none of us wanted to see Kyle Farnsworth too often, Joe Girardi had used six pitchers for 39 innings or more at this point last year, and none had thrown in excess of Mariano’s 49.1. [...]

By: Ross Yanks Looking for 27

Ross Yanks Looking for 27 — Fri, 14 Aug 2009 15:05:13 +0000

Let’s not forget 2006. Scott Proctor pitched over 100 releif innings and appeared in 80+ games. Wore his arm. He was pretty good that year. Posted mid 3′s ERA. But he’s worn out now.

By: DR

DR — Fri, 14 Aug 2009 09:07:14 +0000

Girardi has better players this year, but last year he had typical Torre bullpen, certainly worse than 2004 one. But Girardi works with his bullpen, he tries to get something useful from relievers who start badly, and he gives rest to trusted relievers who pitch badly. If Torre had this year’s Robertson, he would pitch less than 10 innings, not over 30.
Remember that lefty in 2003 who replaced Stanton? He was solid, but after one bad game against Red Sox in summer, he was glued to the bench. Girardi would at least try to see if that was only one game hiccup, or if he maybe needs a few days off, but he wouldn’t just throw him away.

By: wilcymoore

wilcymoore — Fri, 14 Aug 2009 03:05:03 +0000

1997 … means 2007. Edwar’s not that old.

By: wilcymoore

wilcymoore — Fri, 14 Aug 2009 03:04:03 +0000

Bottom line: nobody could wear out a bullpen like Joe T.

I also blame Torre (maybe irrationally) for screwing up Edwar Ramirez. Edwar came up from the minors in 1997 like a house afire, an absolute strike-out machine with his changeup. He K’d the side 1-2-3 in his first ML appearance. He got in one more game a couple days later, then Torre left him on the bullpen bench for about 2 weeks.

By the time Ramirez got into his third game he was rustier than a hinge on the ol’ barn door. He had a disastrous outing, and I don’t think he’s ever fully recovered from that bruise to his confidence. Thanks, Joe.

By: Kiersten

Kiersten — Fri, 14 Aug 2009 01:45:22 +0000

Yes, let’s use Mariano Rivera, your average, everyday relief pitcher, as the measure by which to compare all other relief pitchers.

Also, see: 2001 postseason.

By: leokitty

leokitty — Fri, 14 Aug 2009 01:30:20 +0000

I’m not really interested in fighting about Joe Torre’s bullpen habits, but Paul Quantrill was not anything like a scrub before joining the Yankees.

The 2004 bullpen he was a part of was worked very hard that year and Quantrill had a very bad second half after a good first half.

By: Lanny

Lanny — Fri, 14 Aug 2009 01:08:22 +0000

Torre was so abusive that Rivera never got hurt and thrived every single year. Again we blame him for scrubs like Proctor and Sturtze and Quantrill getting arm injuries. Didn’t see Rivera or Stanton or Nelson or Mendoza breaking down and getting blown out.

Girardi is the same guy who goes to Mo for 4 out saves in July against the Orioles. It is getting ridiculous. No wonder hes sore.

By: Kiersten

Kiersten — Fri, 14 Aug 2009 01:07:06 +0000

By: LiveFromNewYork

LiveFromNewYork — Fri, 14 Aug 2009 00:58:45 +0000

Joe Girardi stays awake for games and for the most part seems genuinely interested in them.