Aug
13

When will Damaso Marte return?

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On May 4, the Yankees placed Damaso Marte on the 15-day DL, retroactive to April 26, after seven pretty poor performances. The injury was termed tendinitis and weakness in his left shoulder. That’s never good news, especially for a guy who came back from the WBC nursing an injury. The outlook grew a bit bleaker when Marte took a trip to Dr. Andrews’s office in Alabama, but the good doctor didn’t find anything wrong. That was in mid-June. We’re now in mid-August, and we still haven’t heard anything about Marte returning any time soon.

Marte’s rehab assignment began on July 16 when he pitched an inning for the GCL Yankees. He then moved up to AAA Scranton, where he’s made 10 appearances so far. In his last 5.1 innings he’s allowed two hits, walked three, and struck out four, allowing no runs. It would seem from the results that he’s near a return. But, again, we haven’t heard anything to that effect from anyone. Just how long will Marte stay on this rehab assignment?

MLB rules allow for rehabbing players to play in the minors for 30 days. Since Marte first appeared on July 16, his clock started then. Today marks Day 27, so unless the Yankees pull him off the assignment for some reason, he’ll have to rejoin the team by Monday, in Oakland. It’s strange that he’s so close, yet the Yankees have been tight-lipped about his return.

If they were so inclined they could pull the same move they did with Humberto Sanchez last year. When his rehab clock was almost up they shut him down with another injury. When he finally got back into games, his clock re-started. Marte, of course, is a different situation. He’s a major league vet, and unlike Sanchez last year, the Yankees would be bringing him right back on the 25-man roster, whereas Sanchez would have been optioned to the minors. The move doesn’t seem likely, but it can’t be ruled out.

Assuming Marte does come back on Monday, as per his rehab clock, what move would the Yankees make to free up a roster spot? Would they dare option David Robertson while he’s pitching so well? Phil Coke? Would they go with 13 pitchers until rosters expand on September 1 and option Ramiro Pena? Those seem like the only three possible moves, and for one reason or another neither seems particularly palatable.

We’ll soon find out the Yankees plan. Until then all we can do is wonder. It sure would be nice to finally see some productivity out of the reliever to whom the Yanks committed three years and $12 million. If he can produce at anywhere near his previous levels, he’ll be a tremendous asset to the Yankees down the stretch.

Categories : Death by Bullpen
  • ClayBuchholzLovesLaptops

    They could also DFA Mitre and go Gaudin or Aceves as the 5th starter.

    • Salty Buggah

      eh I doubt it.

      • ClayBuchholzLovesLaptops

        I doubt it, too, but to me it makes the most sense at this point. D-Rob and Coke are better pitchers and Pena has to be around while Jeter is sore. Going with 13 pitchers is overkill, anyway.

        • Chris

          It makes no sense to DFA anyone when Mitre comes back. The Yankees have control of Mitre and Gaudin for (at least) next year.

          Would the be a better team for the last two weeks of August by DFA’ing Mitre and keeping Coke or Robertson? Probably, but then you lose those guys not just for 2 weeks, but for all of next year. At a minimum, you can dump them in a trade in the offseason.

          • thebusiness

            Mitre stinks. So what if they lose him next year? They can sign a million filler guys like him in the off season.

    • Pedrosuckss

      Put that bum melancon back down. Hes terrible

  • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

    I have a feeling he’ll be shut down again.

    • Klemy

      As good as our BP has been, I can’t really say that I’m excited for his return even. While he could be helpful, he could be a bust, so I don’t even know what to hope for at this point.

      • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

        “While he could be helpful, he could be a bust, so I don’t even know what to hope for at this point.”

        Um, hope that he’s really good?

        • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

          +1

        • JSquared

          +12 million

  • http://www.retire21.org Mike R. – Retire 21

    I think the Pena move makes the most sense if, and only if, Jeter’s foot is okay. If Jeter is hobbled at all you have to keep Pena up as the utility guy.

    • Makavelli

      I think the Pena move makes the most sense if, and only if, Jeter’s foot is okay. If Jeter is hobbled at all you have to keep Pena up as the one of the utility guys.

      Jerry Hairston Jr. probably is our main utility guy no?

      • Jersey

        I have a feeling Girardi is going to be using Hairston plenty already, to rest guys liberally for the stretch run. A gimpy Jetes might necessitate keeping Pena around.

        • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

          So basically, if Jeet’s still banged up Cke’s being sent down, if not Coke is being sent down? Or maybe Bruney?

          • Jersey

            Not sure I understood your post, buut…I think Pena goes down, unless they need him to specifically fill in for Jeter, in which case yeah, one of the bullpen guys goes back down. Maybe Coke. I could see Bruney too. They’re the two weakest links. Then once they see what Marte will give them, they go from there.

            • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

              I had a typo. Should be:

              “So basically, if Jeet’s still banged up Pena’s being sent down, if not Coke is being sent down? Or maybe Bruney?

              • Jersey

                Haha, I see but no, I’m saying the opposite.

      • Salty Buggah

        yea but with no backup (unless you want Swish/Damon there with Hinske in RF/LF…I really don’t) CFer with Gardy out, we need Hairston for the OF too.

      • http://www.retire21.org Mike R. – Retire 21

        Yes he is, but if Jeter is hurt I think Hairston becomes the regular SS until he comes back. That would leave Pena in the UT role.

        • Jersey

          I think that’s backwards – Pena doesn’t have the OF experience that Hairston does, if I recall correctly.

          • http://www.retire21.org Mike R. – Retire 21

            He does not, but if you need Hairston in the OF one day you can plug Pena into SS.

            • Jersey

              True true.

    • Jersey

      Likewise, if you’re bringing him up. I can’t see optioning anybody else – Coke, or Robertson, until they see what they have in Marte. I don’t think they DFA Mitre yet either, what with the plan to rest Joba. Good thing rosters expand soon.

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      Yeah, I agree with this. Hairston, Hinske, and Molina is a good enough bench that covers enough positions and with Mitre and Gaudin getting more action, a bigger bullpen could be a more valuable asset than having an extra utility guy.

  • Makavelli

    My head is still spinning that Cashman was so quick with the trigger finger on signing this guy for so much and so long.

    He’s basically Latroy Hawkins all over again but at least Marte graced us with a nice long DL stint…that was nice of him…

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph Pawlikowski

      You kidding? Go look at the track records of both players. Marte has been far better.

      • Salty Buggah

        yea, he’s a power lefty with a career mid-3′s ERA so that’s good.

      • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

        Not to mention, Marte’s hurt but he has some time left to prove his worth. Pretty tough to judge a 3-year contract in August of year-1, whether the guy’s on the mound or not.

        Jumping the gun, FTW.

        • Clutchbrera

          what’s FTW?

          • JMK

            For the win.

          • Matt

            usually “for the win”

        • Makavelli

          Could have said that during the first year of Pavano’s contract too lol

          • Chris

            Or Posada’s.

          • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

            Yeah, you could have. And you would have been right. lol!

      • Clutchbrera

        True, but Marte has sucked and been hurt enough that he’s on the fast track to be remembered as the worst yankee signing of the 09 offseason

        • Zack

          when you put him up next to AJ, CC, and Tex he was going to be the last in the group anyways

    • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

      Damaso Marte: http://www.baseball-reference......da01.shtml Career 3.43 ERA, 5.40 ERA in 08′

      LaTroy Hawkins: http://www.baseball-reference......la01.shtml Career 4.55 ERA, 5.71 ERA as a Yankee.

      Marte is FAR better than Hawkins.

    • Makavelli

      I’m confused.

      Marte on the Yankees had a 5.40 ERA in 18.1 innings last year.
      This year is even worse with a 15.19 ERA in 5.1 innings.

      Hawkins on the Yankees had a 5.71 ERA in 41.0 innings. Much larger sample size but still…

      My point is…neither have been good and they remind me of each other. Their stats on other teams is irrelevant. Kevin Brown had great stats before he joined us too…

      • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

        Stats on other teams is not irrelevant at all. I dsiagree with that comment.

        Marte hs been a better pitcher over the course of his career. He has had a very small smaple size as a Yankee (I didn’t count the 09′ numbers since that sample size is just too small.

        • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

          *disagree*

        • Makavelli

          So why didn’t Kevin Brown start Game 7 of the 2004 ALCS over Javier Vasquez? Technically, Brown’s career was much better than JV’s…

          My point is…not everybody can handle the NY pressure. Almost every pitcher other than Mussina (this decade) hasn’t been able to handle it…for the most part. Not all of them…but a HUGE portion of them. And sometimes you just have to understand that and move on.

          • Makavelli

            Yes, small sample sizes…they both have small sample sizes. Why did we get rid of Hawkins if we thought he was going to be better and just assumed it was a small sample size?

            • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

              WE got rid of Hawkins because we didn’t think he was going to be better…he was pitching to his career average ERA and showed us no reason to think it would get better.

          • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

            What does that mean? Come on, this is a ridiculous arguement. Kevin Brown didn’t start game 7 because he had a horrible season. Marte has had a horrible 20 something innings as a Yankee. That’s not just a big difference, it’s a difference so big it’s like comp-aring Everest to an anthill. If Marte pitched in the bullpen as a Yankee for a full season, and pitched like shit, then I’d agree that we shouldn’t use him. And even then I wouldn’t necessarily give up on his career.

          • Chris

            Ummm…. Brown was a 39 year old struggling with a bad back. At that point, his career was only relevant to define the downward trajectory for his performance.

            His whole career counts, but you also need to factor in issues like injuries and age.

            • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

              That too.

          • LC

            I thought Kevin Brown DID start Game 7.

            • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

              Wow, that just totally slipped by me. You’re right.

          • Moshe Mandel

            Brown did start game 7.

      • JobaWockeeZ

        …that’s 23.2 IP. That’s an incredibly small sample size to deduce anything yet.

      • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

        That should read: My point is…neither haves been good in extremely small sample sizes taken out of the context of their entire careers, respectively and they remind me of each other.”

        Their numbers on other teams are not irrelevant. Kevin Brown, though, now that guy is completely irrelevant.

        • Makavelli

          Brown, Vasquez, Randy Johnson, etc

          The list can go on. All great careers…where were they when they came to NY??

          • JobaWockeeZ

            Marte is a reliever. Comparing him to them is apples and oranges. Claiming he is bad with 20+ IP for the Yankees while disregarding past stats is batshit insane.

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Benjamin Kabak

            Well, Brown and RJ were both really old, and Javy had a bad 1/2 season before the Yanks punted far too early on him. You’re not making very rigorous comparisons there.

            • Makavelli

              They weren’t THAT old…I mean they were old but not to the point where they fall off THAT much. Johnson through a perfect game like the year before he came over. Kevin Brown had a 2.39 ERA in 211 innings just the before he joined the Yankees. I mean cmon.

              • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph Pawlikowski

                Not THAT old? Brown was 39 and Randy was 41. In what fucking world is that not really old for a baseball player?

                • Makavelli

                  So 38 and 40 were acceptable and they were spry? But 39 and 41 it’s over? I mean, yes…they were old? ok? but to the point where you coincidentially both fall remarkably lower than the year previous after joining the Yankees? I don’t buy it…

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph Pawlikowski

                  That’s not the point. The point is you never know with pitchers that old. They might have been good at 38 and 40, but they’re at the age where they could fall off a cliff at any time.

                • Makavelli

                  Yeah but cmon too big of a coincidence.

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph Pawlikowski

                  No. No it is not a coincidence at all that two over the hill pitchers dropped off a cliff at ages 39 and 42 (Randy was pretty good his first year in NY).

                • Makavelli

                  No gradual decline though? Just sub 2.50 ERA’s to 4.50 ERA’s and above immediately?

                • Chris

                  When injuries become involved? Yes.

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph Pawlikowski

                  Yes. They were already outperforming their peers and contemporaries at that age.

                  How many pitchers do well at age 38 and 40? Very few. They’re the exception, not the rule, and you can’t expect them to repeat it when they’re another year older.

                • Makavelli

                  So why did Randy Johnson have a sub 2.60 ERA at age 40 but Brown didn’t then? Or it just so happened that 40 was Johnson’s peak and 38 was Brown’s peak? Hence the “major coincidence” comment…

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph Pawlikowski

                  “So why did Randy Johnson have a sub 2.60 ERA at age 40 but Brown didn’t then?”

                  I don’t even know what to say to this. Players age differently, but it’s pretty clear that everyone declines as they go through their thirties. Therefore, it is not a coincidence that both pitchers fell off at around age 40. That’s actually quite an accomplishment.

                  Come to think of it, that each pitcher had an excellent year in their age 38 seasons is a much, much bigger coincidence than their respective dropping off points. Why is it a bigger coincidence? Because most pitchers do not pitch at that age. It is not a coincidence, though, that two pitchers who did reach that age both fell off a cliff. Because that’s what happens when you’re old and get injured.

                • Tampa Yankee

                  Greg Maddux at age 36 was 16-6 with a 2.62 (159 ERA+) then he never gets his ERA under 3.92 and his ERA+ better than 109.

                  Moose looked done the year before he went out and won 20.

                  Jaime Moyer was 16-7 with a 3.71 ERA (ERA+ of 118 isn’t all that great) at 45 but hasa 5.47 ERA (78 ERA+)

                  People just hit walls sometimes. You can’t predict baseball.

          • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

            Dude, seriously? Brown, Vazquez and Johnson could not be more irrelevant to a conversation about Damaso Marte. I’m not even sure how to approach responding to that kind of comment.

            For one thing… Brown was washed-up and Johnson was just about washed-up by the time they came to the Yankees. Vazquez had one good half and one bad half in his one season in NY. I’m trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here and address your concerns… But I’m still not seeing how any of this is relevant, in the least, to a conversation about Damaso Marte.

            Do you think Kevin Brown pitched the way he did for the Yankees because of some sort of aura emanating from the pinstripes in his uniform that was just too intimidating for him or something? The guy was just an old, NL pitcher who was cooked when he hit the AL East, that’s all.

            I don’t know, man. This stuff just isn’t relevant in any way.

            • Makavelli

              No I just think they were both really big coincidences and Kevin Brown’s 2.39 ERA in 211 innings just the year before he joined the Yanks was a fluke…and Randy Johnson’s 2.60 ERA in 245+ innings was also a fluke…and when they came over…it just so happened to be at the exact perfect time where they fall from being a sub 3.00 pitcher to a almost entirely ineffective pitcher (more-so Brown than Johnson)…

              • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                So then you think the logical conclusion to draw is that they both declined because they became Yankees? In the face of much better, more reasonable reasons (age, level of competition, injuries), you choose the most unreasonable and illogical option.

                • Makavelli

                  Well apparently you drew your own conclusion on what you thought I meant by “Yankees” which could have included “competition”, “expectations”, etc.

                  Which goes back to my original argument when I compare their Yankee careers with Marte’s. That was my point…

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  Doesn’t “Yankees” mean the baseball team the NY YAnkees? Becasue that’s what most people assume it means.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  *Yankees*

                • Chris

                  The problem with the comparison is that Marte has some excuses, which should hopefully be resolved when he comes back.

                  Marte gave up 11 ER last year. 4 came in a game against Texas where he gave up a grand slam on his 42nd pitch. Three more came in his next 3 appearances before he was shut down (he faced one batter in 10 days). After that, he was lights out for the rest of the season.

                  This year, he’s been hurt the entire year.

                • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                  Ok, I’ll play your game a little longer… So you think it was only because of the increased level of competition? That’s the ONLY reason why Johnson and Brown declined? It had nothing to do with their age and health, respectively?

                  And… More importantly… This is still irrelevant to a conversation about Damaso Marte. Does anything about Brown or Johnson mean that the Yankees shouldn’t have acquired Marte in 2008? I don’t see how that’s possible. (I’ll also note that Vazquez has completely disappeared from this discussion because his career is even less applicable to this conversation than Johnson’s and Brown’s.)

                  Look… It’s a learning experience. A teaching moment, if you will. You chose your explanation (Marte’s no good because he can’t pitch as a Yankee because Johnson and Brown declined when they became Yankees and I think they declined because they became Yankees) before really thinking it through or looking at any evidence or considering other options. That’s the wrong way to go about evaluating any situation. Look at the evidence, think about all the different options, and after that review then come to your guess or conclusion. The level of discourse will rise, accordingly, and all will rejoice.

                • jsbrendog

                  and there was much rejoicing.

                  yay.

              • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                Um, kinda. They were both really old; Eventually there’s going to be a drop. Not sure why you find it weird.

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  • Salty Buggah

    Has there been an update on his velocity? I remember that a while back that he was throwing 88 but was really far back and I expect his velocity to have increased close to his normal level again. I remember he was throwing 94 and touching 96 for us last year at this time (though his average was 92.8 last year and 91.7 in the short time he pitched this year according to pitch f/x).

  • Danny

    never? ;)

    we do need another lefty though, too much coke is not good.

  • Clutchbrera

    I don’t think the yanks really want him back, they seem content with the bullpen they have now. And God, I’m really glad the yankees didn’t get bronson arroyo. Not only does he suck, but he’s also a complete dick: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=4396083 .

    • JobaWockeeZ

      Doubt it. Other than Coke there is no lefty bullpen pitcher. Girardi as we all know loves the matchups so I’m sure they would want Marte back. Then hopefully that stops the overuse of Phil.

      • Salty Buggah

        Yea, Coke struggled in the beginnning of the year and he was being really overused. Then, once our starting pitching got going and he was needed less, he was pretty dominant. Now, recently as we’ve needed him more, he’s had a few rough outings. We just have to keep him from getting overused and Marte/good starting pitching (and length from Mitre) would help a lot.

        • Salty Buggah

          and getting overused=getting exposed

    • JMK

      Arroyo definitely lacks tact, is foolish to still be taking supplements not approved by MLB, and some of his comments sound immature. With that said, I think he’s right on the mark with some of his statements.

      “According to the report, Arroyo said fans and the media seem more concerned with the sanctity of the game’s records than whether the substances will hurt players later on…’I can see where guys like Hank Aaron and some of the old-timers have a beef with it,’ Arroyo said, according to the report. ‘But as far as looking at Manny Ramirez like he’s [serial killer] Ted Bundy, you’re out of your mind. At the end of the day, you think anybody really [cares] whether Manny Ramirez’s kidneys fail and he dies at 50?’”

      This faux-outrage on the part of the media, and to a lesser extent, fans, is based on this notion that baseball has been pure, and the game is now tarnished due to steroid use. It never has been “pure” but an idyllic re-creation does a lot to provide comfort to said outrage, regardless of the merit. Furthermore, he’s right! One would hope that the deaths and health problems from athletes would garner some attention, but that seems to be the last thing reported on and discussed.

      “Arroyo, according to the report, also said the game’s owners care about winning and making money — and not necessarily in that order.

      ‘If Mark McGwire is hitting 60 homers, the only thing that matters is his performance,’ Arroyo said, according to USA Today. ‘People don’t own teams to lose money. If you ask any owner whether they would rather make $20 million and come in last place or lose $20 million and win a World Series, there’s only one guy who honestly would take that championship: George Steinbrenner. Nobody else.’”

      This is a business, and I think if we were honest with ourselves, we’d admit that the ultimate goal is performance and revenue, nothing else. You wouldn’t be more interested in watching Bonds hit 108 home runs in a season than Chris Woodward weakly slapping a ball back to the pitcher, steroids or not? I don’t give two shits if these guys inject themselves with moon rock if it makes them better. If anything, I think steroids should be required. I don’t pay $9 for a beer and $75 a ticket to see Woodward’s weak choppers. This is entertainment, let’s come to terms with that and admit, for all his faults, Arroyo is the only baseball player still playing that has spoken honestly, and in my opinion, correctly (though his drunk-driving analogy is completely daffy).

      /rant

      • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

        OAKTAG this off-topicness
        /jsbrendog’d

      • jsbrendog

        DEY TOOK IR JORBS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Tony

    SERGIO MITRE

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      …is a starting pitcher?

    • http://www.retire21.org Mike R. – Retire 21

      Clap-clap-clapclapclap

  • Makavelli

    One thing the past few years (and more I know) has shown is that AAA numbers aren’t exactly a great determiner of how a person is doing. Ian Kennedy and Igawa are nice examples and Claggett is another “bullpen version” of the formers.

    While it’s nice to rehab there to get some work in…the results aren’t always accurate. But what else are you going to use I guess?

    • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

      “While it’s nice to rehab there to get some work in…the results aren’t always accurate. But what else are you going to use I guess?”

      Ummm… Scouting?

      • Makavelli

        What about it?

        • JobaWockeeZ

          How fast his fastball is, how his secondary pitches are doing, how his command his, etc.

          • Makavelli

            Yeah. And remember they didn’t tell us that about Wang…which isn’t a good sign…but they started him anyway? And the rest is history…

            • JobaWockeeZ

              Uhh I’m confused. I’m assuming you meant after his DL stint which he was working the the bullpen decently. Made the push to starter pitching decently while progressively being better until the baseball God’s said they wanted to fuck him up more by injuring him in his shoulder.

              So they continued to start him to get a healthy dominant Wang again. Don’t get that comparison either.

              • Makavelli

                You talked about the “scouting” of how their pitches are…I brought up a similar scenario when Wang was rehabbing. They never really told us his velocity on his sinker, etc. It was hush hush. They were kind of mum on a lot of things but said he would start in the rotation. He started and that was the end of that.

                The point being, while ‘scouting’ was being used and notes were collected, the results of what they found didn’t matter apparently…

                • Jersey

                  So you’re arguing if scouting isn’t accurate…and AAA performance isn’t accurate…the whole thing is a crapshoot?

                • JobaWockeeZ

                  Uhh they did talk about his sinker. Hell I think it was here they were talking about his stuff.

                  And I don’t know what you mean by “results” when Wang was progressively getting better. Selective memory for some people has it that he gives up 9 ER every time he pitches. He’s was not going to pitch a perfect game right after.

                  And still this scenario means nothing to Marte. You keep bringing up starters but Marte is a reliever which is easier to pitch out of.

                • Salty Buggah

                  Umm they dont HAVE to tell us. As long as they know what’s going on, and they do, it’s all good. The Yanks know about how that results arent the best indicator but they know what to look for like JobaWockeez said, they can see his pitches break/velocity and his velocity and see how he’s pitching and whether he has control or not.

                  Wang was called back early because of the scare from the liner Joba took off his leg. His power sinker/velocity was back to his usual 94-95 in the first game. He hurt his shoulder later but they were looking at his legs and hip during rehab.

                • Makavelli

                  So why do they tell us at all then? They just arbitrarily tell us? Or the newspapers arbitrarily ask?

                • Salty Buggah

                  No reason. It’s their choice to inform or not inform us. They can do whatever they want.

                • Jersey

                  Because this is ‘merica.

            • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

              Why does what they tell the public matter in the least? You said (if I might paraphrase): “MiLB results can be misleading, but what else are you going to use to know when a player is ready for MLB?” I responded: “Scouting.” The Yankees know what Marte’s throwing and how he looks and feels. What you or I know could not be more irrelevant.

              • Makavelli

                So why do they tell us at all then? They just arbitrarily tell us? Or the newspapers arbitrarily ask? (as seen above)

                • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                  I’m not sure why you think this is an important point. Do you think the Yankees share all of their scouting information with the press and the public? The press gathers as much information as it can because that’s the press’ raison d’etre. The public… We get as much information as the press is able to gather and as much as the teams see fit to tell us. I’d imagine a relatively small amount of it is arbitrary. I’d imagine the teams release/share the information they don’t think is sensitive (for whatever reason they may have to think it’s sensitive).

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Benjamin Kabak

          That’s what else you’re going to use. It’s not as though the Yanks haven’t sent multiple someones to watch Marte pitch.

  • http://www.facebook.com/dougchu Doug

    And that’s why… you don’t sign relief pitchers to multi-year deals!

    /J. Walter Weatherman

  • Frank

    I could never understand the love affiar with this guy. He hasn’t proven to be all that reliable since he was acquired last year and was signed to a ridiculous contract to boot. So far, the Yanks have done just fine without him. If they can add when the rosters expand after 9-1, then go for it. But otherwise, he’s not a difference maker in my view.

    • JobaWockeeZ

      I can’t understand why people are already proclaiming him to be bad based on his extremely short time in the Bronx.

    • Tony

      The love affair? He has consistently been very good over the course of his career. He was generally good for the Yankees too, with the exception of a couple of blowup spots in August. He was exceptional in September. The BP could definitely use another lefty, so I don’t know why people would be against having Marte in NY… assuming he’s ready.

    • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

      “He hasn’t proven to be all that reliable since he was acquired last year…”

      In 2008 he had one short bad stretch, took some time off, then had a short good stretch to close the year. In 2009 he pitched in the WBC, had a short bad stretch to start the year then was taken off the active roster due to injury.

      So yeah, you’re right, he hasn’t proven to be all that reliable in his INCREDIBLY SHORT TIME AS A YANKEE, SO FAR. Sorry to go nuts with the CAPS, but this gets pretty frustrating. Nobody’s saying this guy is going to make people forget the Stanton/Nelson combo or anything, but you’re writing him off on the basis of a VERY small sample size while, simultaneously, disregarding his entire, lengthy career as an effective left-handed reliever. Surely you can see why that bothers people. It’s asinine.

  • Dave M

    Didn’t they just move Marte to the 60 day DL? Or did I dream that?

    • Salty Buggah

      The first sentence of the post: “On May 4, the Yankees placed Damaso Marte on the 15-day DL, retroactive to April 26″

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph Pawlikowski

        But they did add him to the 60-day DL on Saturday to make room for Gaudin.

        • Salty Buggah

          oh duh, I misread the first sentence. I thought it said 60-day DL and thought you probably just made a mistake by messing up the month. I meant to say that it was mostly a paperwork move to allow gaudin to be on the roster, like you said.

          EPIC FAIL on my part! My bad

          • Salty Buggah

            It’s funny that I messed up because someone asked the same question in a game thread 2-3 days ago and I answered it correctly then. My reading comprehension and writing (making a LOT of errors) has been VERY bad in the past 2 days.

        • jsbrendog

          yeahbut retroactively so it means nothing

      • Tampa Yankee

        “LHP Damaso Marte was transferred from the 15-day disabled list to the 60-day DL.”

        http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....story.html

        • Salty Buggah

          yea yea, I misread what Joe said, read above comment. My bad.

  • Fat Francesa

    Ossie Guien cried in a fetal position for 2 days when Marte was traded, That’s how great he is.

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  • jsbrendog

    damaso Marte:

    on Aug 4th 2008 marte gave up 4 runs.

    from aug 5th-sept 28 in 20 games and in 13.2 innings only gave up 5 runs walked 6 and k’ed 16. he gave up only 8 hits in that stretch.

    exhibit b:
    http://riveraveblues.com/2009/.....ent-419755

    everyone, especially makavelli, look at the facts before you make uninformed statements.

    • JMK

      Isn’t that half the fun here?

      Don’t be that guy!

    • Jersey

      You look at the facts. I’m with Tom Zig.

      PS Boston goes down 2-0

      • jsbrendog

        what are you tlaking about? these are the facts.

        and what does tom zig have to do wit this conversation?

        • Jersey

          Haha, you should look again at the RAB thread you linked to.

          • jsbrendog

            well played

    • Tampa Yankee
    • Salty Buggah

      stats are overrated! ;)

      • JobaWockeeZ

        You read my mind exactly.

    • Salty Buggah

      You know, a lot of people will not click on that link so allow me to repost TSJC’s comment so the people that say Marte stinks can learn.

      TSJC:

      Precisely.
      Damaso Marte, pre-NYY, career:
      2002 – 2.83 ERA in 60.1 IP, 159 ERA+, 1.028 WHIP
      2003 – 1.58 ERA in 79.2 IP, 292 ERA+, 1.054 WHIP
      2004 – 3.42 ERA in 73.2 IP, 138 ERA+, 1.222 WHIP
      2005 – 3.77 ERA in 45.1 IP, 119 ERA+, 1.721 WHIP
      2006 – 3.70 ERA in 58.1 IP, 120 ERA+, 1.406 WHIP
      2007 – 2.38 ERA in 45.1 IP, 183 ERA+, 1.103 WHIP
      2008 – 3.47 ERA in 46.2 IP, 119 ERA+, 1.157 WHIP

      Damaso Marte, NYY, career:
      2008 – 5.40 ERA in 18.1 IP, 82 ERA+, 1.309 WHIP
      2009 – 15.19 ERA in 5.1 IP, 30 ERA+, 2.250 WHIP

      Now, which dataset looks like the outlier and which looks like the norm, the first 409.1 innings of quality relief work with ERA’s in the 2’s and 3’s and WHIP’s around a single baserunner an inning, or the last 23.2 innings here where he went through an adjustment period, had one bad game where he got shelled that skewed his small sample size results, and has been pitching injured for the last 22% of that small sample size?

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  • Dale

    Marte stinks. Keep him far away from Bronx

    • Jersey

      It’s awesome that you posted this right below jsbrendog’s post.

    • jsbrendog

      http://riveraveblues.com/2009/.....ent-529886

      this is where i prove you wrong with factual evidence and then you go stats mean nothing he stinks i see it with my own eyes.

      book it.

      • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

        That just happened.

      • Tampa Yankee

        Comment vortex… where’s Mondesi? Should we still drink for this?

        Also… where is TSJC been?

        • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

          You know… I think the concept of the “comment vortex” is slightly misunderstood… But whatever, I want to drink, I’ll allow it.

          • jsbrendog

            comment vortex – noun – a series of comments with links to other comments grouped together under one main comment causing the reader’s head to spin and so many browsers to be opened so as to promote a vortexian feel and a feeling of head explodiness.

            comment vortex.

            • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

              Haha that’s more like it. In the most strict terms “comment vortex” refers to occasions when such links lead to other comments in different conversations within the same post/thread.

              Par exemple:

              Commenter 1:
              Blah blah blah

              Commenter 2:
              I addressed this above (link to other comment in same thread)

              Commenter 1:
              I responded above (link to other comment in same thread responding to the comment to which Commenter 2 linked above)

              Commenter 2:
              I responded above ((link to other comment in same thread responding to Commenter 1′s comment in response to the comment to which Commenter 2 linked above)

              And so on and so forth, while the rest of the readers/commenters make wanking motions with their hands and shoot themselves in their heads with fake finger-guns.

  • Colin

    Put Aceves in the rotation and drop Mitre

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      I’m not so sure that’s a great idea. Aceves has been great out of the ‘pen but I don’t think he can be a very successful starter.

      • Tony
        • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

          The 1.60 K/BB, .233 BABIP, and the 5.61 tRA as a starter last year lead me to believe that Alfredo pitched a bit above his head as a stater in ’08. Yes, he’s probably better than Mitre but I think he’s better suited for the role he’s in. I wouldn’t be upset if they tried him as the starter, though.

    • JSquared

      Yeah, the fact Aceves can give you 2+ innings of shutout ball… that’s a gift alone out of the pen, and he did have a tired arm coming out of the pen not too long ago, i don’t know if he’d be able to give it 100% out of the rotation.

      • Tony

        Did people really just not watch a single game last September?

        • jsbrendog

          yeah we did. and you know what? we watched the games the september before when Ian Patrick Kennedy did exactly what Alfredo Aceves did.

          and look how that turned out.

          but you’re right. you saw it with your own eyes.

        • Jersey

          He spent the entire season as a starter in the minors last year. This year he has been working out of the bullpen. It’s not so easy to go from a 2-3 inning reliever to a 5-6 inning starter and maintain quality / results, from an endurance OR a performance perspective for 2009. By the time he builds up to that, it’s October, and you’ve taxed your bullpen trying to fill an Aceves-sized hole.

          • Tony

            Sergio Mitre didn’t pitch for two years and now he’s everyone’s favorite Yankee (apparently)

            • jsbrendog

              this is all sorts of irrelevance and falsity

            • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

              This comment is in no way a valid nor relevant response to Jersey’s comment.

              Non-sequitur FTW.

            • Jersey

              …nobody said anything about Mitre. Or was somebody defending him using Inviso-Text? I don’t have the plugin for that.

              • jsbrendog

                tmml

                (this made me laugh)

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              • JSquared

                i didn’t see any mitre.

            • JobaWockeeZ

              Where the fuck did anyone say that? Post a link if you are going to say incredible nonsense like that. Unbelievable.

            • Tony

              Aceves is somehow ineligible to start because there isn’t a recent history of him doing it. Yet someone says Mitre should get booted and he has to hear how he was good for 6 weeks 2 years ago.

      • Colin

        but if you add marte and he pitches to his abilities you have him to balance out aceves. of course he wont give you the same innings, but when gaudin isn’t giving joba a rest he can fill those and once september comes you bring up as many relievers as you want

  • Rob in CT

    I’ve never really liked the Marte signing, because I was always worried about his walk rate (this goes back before the Yanks acquired him from PIT, back when it was just an idea). But what he’s done as a Yankee tells me that he’s not been healthy. It’s not a case of him sucking. It’s that he’s not right. I don’t think he’s been right since he had a ~35 pitch outing last season (which tells me he was fragile anyway).

    I would’ve thought Cash had learned his lesson with the Karsay and Farnsworth deals. Oh well.

  • Bob Michaels

    Marte should be the PTBL in the Gaudin deal.

    • jsbrendog

      you should be the ptbnl in the gaudin deal

      • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

        We should work it out so that we can actually trade posters to other sites, have a minor league “system” (LoHud) to which they can be designated/optioned, etc.

        • JMK

          I like this idea.

        • thebusiness

          Lohud would definitely be Staten Island short season.

        • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

          hell no.

          so everyday i can come here and look for a pink tag in my locker to see if i have to go to lohud?!

          • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

            No worries, dude. No pink tag for you. You’re like the Roger Dorn of this joint. If we need someone to step up to the plate and take one for the team, you’re the man.

  • BigGuy

    Don’t know if anybody mentioned this yet, I didn’t feel like reading thru all the posts, but Damaso Marte was placed on the 60 day DL on 8-8 to open up a roster spot. He’s not injured and still pitching at SWB.

    • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

      You know… If you’re not going to read through the comments, fine, there are a lot of them. But you should probably at least read the post itself.

    • Rob H.

      simply a paperwork move. nothing more than that.

  • ShuutoHeat

    NEVAR!

  • Mike

    My thought is if Mitre pitches poorly yet again on Saturday that we might finally be rid of him. And perhaps he will be optioned or designated for assignment. While Marte would be taken off the DL, and Gaudin would become the 5th starter. Just my thought on it.

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