Yanks block couple of Red Sox on waivers

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Once the trade deadline passed, things were going to be tough on the Yankees. Atop the AL East and with a growing lead, they would have last dibs in the AL for any waiver claims. This meant that the second-place Red Sox have been in a position to block any potential Yankee moves all month. Since both teams have been looking for pitching, that would seem to put the Yankees at a disadvantage — and it has to an extent. Not that they were necessarily interested, but the Sox did claim Billy Wagner before the Yanks had a shot. Who knows how many other times that happened with different players.

Yesterday we learned of the Yankees pulling two moves that hurt the Sox, though not in any truly significant way. First we heard that the Yanks put in a claim on AAA 1B/OF Chris Carter, whom the Red Sox placed on waivers at some point this week. Carter, who is on the Sox 40-man roster, is believed to be New York-bound in the Wagner trade. The Yanks claim means that Carter will remain a player to be named later, and will most likely change teams after the season ends.

This isn’t just a move to stick it to the Sox. As Buster Olney notes, this could put some pressure on the Sox in terms of their 40-man roster. Moving Carter would free up a spot that then could be used to add Paul Byrd or return Daisuke Matsuzaka from the 60-day DL. Now they’ll have to make another move. Placing Carter on waivers again would mean the Red Sox cannot pull him back, so if anyone claims him he cannot be sent to the Mets for Wagner after the season (obviously).

Just before we learned of the Carter claim, we heard that the Yankees put in a claim on Brad Penny earlier this month, and that the Red Sox pulled him back. This blocked the Sox from trading Penny to another team, meaning they could not get a Justin Smoak-type prospect in return for the recently released righty. We also heard yesterday that the Yankees might have interest in Penny. Could he be any worse than Mitre and Gaudin? Wait. Don’t answer that.

While the Sox have the traditional advantage of a blocking position, the Yankees are making their own moves to make life hard on the Sox. I wonder whose moves have hurt more. The Sox could have blocked any number of pitchers the Yankees might have considered trading for — though the pitching-starved Sox have not traded for any save Wagner. The Yanks have forced the Sox to make a 40-man roster move, possibly two, rather than clearing one for free. They also blocked the Sox chances of getting anything, even a pittance, in return for Penny (though no return was guaranteed).

In any case, I love to see this kind of stuff. If you have the chance to make life a little tougher on your opponent, especially when he has the ability to make life hard for you, then go for it. There’s no reason to let the Sox skate by and make easy moves.

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  • Makavelli

    You know this means they’re going to block literally ANY claim we put on anybody now. So we can wave goodbye to the Mike Cameron possibility, right?

    • Makavelli

      Or he cleared waivers so he can be openly traded to anyone right now? Is that what I heard?

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Brewers closer Trevor Hoffman has been claimed on trade waivers, a major-league source told FOXSports.com.

        Meanwhile, several Milwaukee veterans — catcher Jason Kendall, infielder Craig Counsell, center fielder Mike Cameron and right-handed starter Braden Looper — cleared waivers Thursday and could be dealt before Monday’s deadline to set postseason rosters.

        http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/s.....on-waivers

        • Makavelli

          Any chance for a Mike Cameron-Braden Looper combo deal??

          He leads the majors in home runs allowed though…32?? Yeeesh. Then you throw him in the lions den at the new Yankee Stadium?? Ehhh

          • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

            I’d take Looper to get Cameron and then just DFA him. He can’t be making enough money that it would hurt the Yanks. Plus, Cameron in CF >>>>>> Melky.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              You like my Cameron for Claggett swap? Think that would be enough?

              • Makavelli

                That’s a good question. How do you weigh a larger very successful sample size in AAA and a smaller, yet extremely miserable, sample size in the Majors…

                I guess that’s what it comes down to haha

                • Makavelli

                  / I. Kennedy’d

                • Chris

                  Except Cameron is a FA after this season and projects to be a type B free agent. That may impact his trade value.

                • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

                  Yeah, but Kennedy’s ceiling is still much higher than Claggett’s.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  The Brewers may not be willing to gamble on offering him arbitration, though. So that sandwich pick may be one they’d never get.

                • Makavelli

                  What does he have left on his contract?

                • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

                  I think the smarter move would be to trade him. He’s making $10MM this season and has played well ($16.1MM via FG), but I don’t know if it’s well enough to get a contract that’ll pay him more than he’d get through arbitration.

            • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

              This.

              Do you think, if that happens or not, Cameron could be an option in CF next year? I could see it as a possibility, but if Hinske and Hairston are back, it means one of Melky or Gardner would be rather superfluous.

              • Jeffrey

                I would be wary of Cameron’s age. Unfortunately due to Gardner’s injury and the semi-platoon we never got to see what Gardner could do with significant playing time. As much as I like Melky he lacks consistency and should be improved upon.

                • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

                  But the same thing could be said about Gardner. Both he and Cabrera have shown that when they have extended playing time, they struggle. Cameron may be older, but his range in the OF is still there (it’s been great the last two seasons) and does provide an offensive upgrade over both Gardner and Cabrera.

                • http://z.about.com/d/tvcomedies/1/0/F/-/-/-/judge310_72.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                  Beware 37 year old center fielders with middling numbers in the NL Central. There was a time when acquiring Mike Cameron would have been great, but that doesn’t mean it’s still a great idea for 2010.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  There was a time when acquiring Mike Cameron would have been great, but that doesn’t mean it’s still a great idea for 2010.

                  It’s still 2009.

                • http://z.about.com/d/tvcomedies/1/0/F/-/-/-/judge310_72.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                  Right, Snarky McSnarkelson, but see:

                  “Do you think, if that happens or not, Cameron could be an option in CF next year?”

                  http://riveraveblues.com/2009/.....ent-555132

      • jsbrendog
    • Sweet Dick Willie

      You know this means they’re going to block literally ANY claim we put on anybody now.

      I may be wrong, but I don’t think this is possible.

      If we put a claim in on someone, that means the Sux have already passed on that player. So I don’t believe that they could then put in a claim (but I could be wrong).

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

    This blocked the Sox from trading Penny to another team, meaning they could not get a Justin Smoak-type prospect in return for the recently released righty.

    In fact, my sources tell me that the Sox put Penny on waivers in August specifically with the intent to trade him to the Rangers for none other than Justin Smoak himself. The deal was Penny for Smoak, Elvis Andruz, Neftali Feliz, pitching coach Mike Maddux, and Dallas Cowboys running back Felix Jones. The Yankees made the claim on Penny just to block the deal, yet another example of how they try to buy championships with the Steinbrenner’s bottomless walletand are all that is wrong with the game by beating up on helpless small market teams like the Red Sox.

    My sources also tell me that the Yankees players all wear baggy pants and have dreadlocks.

    For Diamond Cutters, I’m Peter Gammons, ESPN.

    • Makavelli

      Felix Jones? That shit be Chone Figgins man…

      I’m sorry I had to…lol

      Don’t worry though, that was it…(for now muhaha, kidding)

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside
      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside
      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside
      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside
      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside
      • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

        I still don’t get what that means.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Nobody does.

      • Makavelli

        Oh lighten up, TSJC. It’s no longer the content that’s funny (or according to you, never was lol)…but more of an ‘inside joke’ type thing because people hate it so much. haha.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Original joke: not funny
          Subsequent inside joke based on the original joke not being funny: also not funny

          • Makavelli

            People angry about something so foolish: Pretty funny

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              People angry about something so foolish annoyed at you that you keep pimping this tired non-joke after everyone’s asked to you stop: Pretty funny numerous

              • Makavelli

                And again I say lighten up. If something so ridiculous annoys you so much…I’d hate to see what you’re like when something actually annoying is happening around you haha…oh well

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  Ugh. I defended you…

                  http://riveraveblues.com/2009/.....ent-552829

                  I’m starting to regret it. You’re quickly becoming just as annoying as usual with your “me against the world” shit.

                • Makavelli

                  I didn’t see that. Outing me as Axl?

                  Listen, I don’t understand why we have to go back and forth here that’s all. It’s not that big of a deal. That’s basically all I’m saying.

                • Makavelli

                  Also, what are you even referencing when you say that in the other thread? I don’t see any reference…and it seems like you just kind of throw that out there out of the blue haha

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside
                • Makavelli

                  Ahhh. I didn’t see that.

                  Anyway, I apologize to everyone. I’ve never came on here to do anything out of malice or anything.

                  And how do you get in the fantasy leagues? I’m assuming they’re constantly filled?

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  Well, our league was packed to the gills already, holdovers from last year.

                  VO was talking about wanting to start a league the other day, holla at him.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              And:

              The fact that you’re finding personal humor and delight (not shared by anyone else) about causing people to get annoyed or angry at your non-joke: Pretty troll-like

              • Makavelli

                Well slightly upset and you flipping out and trying to make an innocent stupid comment as something seriously horrible are entirely different things. Had I known you were going to go on and on about it for a number of posts trying to make me look like a criminal for it…I probably wouldn’t have posted it. Had you reacted a bit more passively like I had thought…that’s a different story.

                Either way, calm down. Tomorrow’s another day and the sun will shine again.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  It’s not the first time you did it that made it annoying, it’s the 20th time. But whatevs, let’s put it to bed.

                • Makavelli

                  Agreed. And for what it’s worth. I apologize.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  Thanks.

                  (internet handshake)

                • icedtea

                  Outside perspective…if something bothers you, ESPECIALLY ON THE NET….simply ignore it.

                  Really it is very simple.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  Thanks for your perspective, icedtea.

                  This thing has history, though. LOOOOOONG history.

        • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

          Doesn’t a joke imply that there is humor in what’s being said?

          • Makavelli

            No.

  • jsbrendog

    just another reason why brian cashman is the man.

    i love that guy.

    • pat

      No it was a classless move that had no effect on the Sox and was solely made to screw the Mets.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        “The Yanks have forced the Sox to make a 40-man move, possibly two, rather than clearing one for free. They also blocked the Sox chances of getting in anything, even a pittance, in return for Penny (though no return was guaranteed).”
        -Joseph Pawlikowski

        • pat

          Nope, sorry Yankees are classless, had Boy Wonder ™® managed to pull this off it would be General Managerial Move of the Century.

        • http://twitter.com/JamalG Jamal G.

          Pat was being sarcastic. Take a look at the comments over at MLBTR, there are a lot of people sayng this was a “classless move” by the Yanks.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Ah, gotcha.

            Generally speaking, I’m going to miss the jokes made about comments on other sites because I hardly EVER read comments on other sites.

            • pat

              Yeah ur not missing much in the mlbtr comments section. Most people there are idiots. It’s Lohud for every other team in baseball.

              • http://twitter.com/JamalG Jamal G.

                It’s Lohud for every other team in baseball.

                Don Draper-esque.

            • jsbrendog

              this

          • http://z.about.com/d/tvcomedies/1/0/F/-/-/-/judge310_72.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

            Whitey got into the act here at RAB, too.

      • Andy In Sunny Daytona

        How does it screw the Mets? Was Chris Carter going to drive them to the NL East title? They can get him in the offseason still.

        Cashmoney may not hit, pitch or field but he is playing a great game.

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      Apparently he was in a florist here the other day and my mother missed seeing him by like…five minutes.

  • Chris G

    I don’t understand something. Why didn’t the Mets just claim Chris Carter.

    • pat

      AL has waiver priority.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Bingo.

        Yankees waiver claim comes before the Nationals waiver claim on AL players.

        • Makavelli

          So what happens? The Red Sox pull him back and the “two PTBNL” just becomes only one?? Or can the Mets nix the trade now because they’re not getting what they originally asked for?

          • Andy In Sunny Daytona

            Just do an off-season trade with the same players.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              Exactly. The PTBNL’s don’t have to change hands for 6 months, so they can wait until November to give the Mets Carter + someone.

              The only reason they put Carter through waivers now was to see if they could send him to the Mets immediately to clear his 40-man spot so they could add someone else (like Matsuzaka) without having to DFA a third player instead.

              • Makavelli

                Ahhh. Makes sense. Thanks for the explanation.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  np

                • pat

                  you guys need to get a room.

                • Makavelli

                  Who says we already haven’t?

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  Come on, pat, you know you love to watch, you sick fucko.

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph Pawlikowski

                  But wait. I already explained that!

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  Joe, I don’t know how to break this to you, but…

                  We don’t read your posts. Never have.

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph Pawlikowski

                  You think you’re pretty smart, don’t you TSjC? What with your dago mustache and your greasy hair.

                • Makavelli

                  Those are what attracted me to him in the first place…

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  Hey, what did I just say about ethnic slurs?

                • Bill R

                  BUCK FUTTER!

  • Mac

    Does Penny have any value out of the pen? Guy hits 95-96, yes its straight, but I’d like to see what he could do with two pitches, one inning at a time.

    Would Penny even do something like that?

    I also get it that Penny is likely a better option than Mitre and Gaudin, but Penny’s velocity intrigues me as a reliever, but so did Mark Wohlers’….

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Who knows? I’ve got no problem giving him some September innings to find out, though…

    • Bob Stone

      I used to feel that way about Kyle Farnsworth’s velocity too. That really worked out great . . . didn’t it?

      • Mac

        Not arguing but with Krazee Kyle, he was a reliever that virtually everyone questioned the sanity of Cash for signing before the ink was even dry on the contract.

        The deal worked out GREAT for Kyle and his family though.

        The Penny thing is a bit different since its for a month at a cost of less than a 100K and he’s a starter now hopefully who will pick up some velocity and be going with his two best pitches.

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      I don’t like Penny out of the ‘pen because he, ironically enough, doesn’t strike out enough guys and his GB rate has taken a bit of a tumble this year.

      • Mac

        Good reasons why not to do it. Personally I’d like to sign him just to release him in as embarassing a way as possible.

        Would let him get a few innings in the pen first though.

    • Sam

      I thought the whole reason he left Boston is that he unequivocally did not want to pitch out of the pen (like Smoltz) so he asked for his release.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Meh, he probably asked out of Boston because he wanted to see if he could latch onto a team that actually had a decent shot of making the playoffs this year.

        http://www.instantrimshot.com

  • Mac

    There a pitcher I think who cleared waivers, he’s tradionally a great second half guy, this year no exception:

    Post All Star Break:

    8 starts, 56.1IP 2.54 era, 1.15 WHIP .237 baa

    In August:

    5 starts 38IP 1.89/.97/.220

    He’s an RAB favorite, should be real easy to guess who ;)

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Mordecai “Three-Finger” Brown?

      • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

        Papa! He killed Mordecai, the Dancing Yiddish Clown!

      • Mac

        Yep, got it first try!

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Seriously, though, I have no idea who you’re talking about, it’s not coming to me.

          Who is it?

          • Mac

            Bronson Arroyo – and on that note, I’m blowing up my laptop and leaving the country.

            Seriously though, I know he’s pitching in the NL central and his stuff is junk, but I’d also like to pull the better than Mitre\Gaudin card – at least statistically.

            11 mil owed next year and a 2 mil buyout – its a tough sell.

            • Makavelli

              It’s a no sell. We don’t want it lol

            • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

              If he was done after this season, I’d be more willing to take a risk.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside
  • Makavelli

    Do you think the odds are actually decent that the Yankees try to grab Cameron? With Posada out…we good use an upgrade over Melky

    • Mac

      He’s a good upgrade if he doesn’t come here and hit .152 and K 50% of the time in September.

      Cammy’s had a good year overall and defensively he probably smokes Melk and Gardner as a CFer (or would allow for a great defensive of late in games).

      Its worth a shot, I think he could kill the lineup even more than Melk or Gardner if he slumps badly like he can. In that case, hopefully Joey G. just benches him.

      I never forgot how small he came up for the Mets when they needed him to hit and once they were out of it, he started hitting like a monster.

      • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

        He’s better than Melky, but probably not better than BG, who’s beeen out of his freaking mind on defense since he came up.

        • Makavelli

          Yeah but Gardner’s bat isn’t all that great…and then when you throw him in the playoffs against the best pitchers in the game…it probably won’t be fun to watch haha

        • Mac

          I don’t see the fuss on Gardy’s D, I know UZR’s are on his side, but he doesn’t impress me as a plus defensive player.

          Last year I though Gardy was lacking in spots – don’t think his positioning or his routes to balls was good enough. He’s improved, but I’m not a fan and I really dislike his game – no power, K’s (although not as much as I thought he would) and really isn’t a good bunter.

          As a late inning d guy and runner – cool.

          Last, I don’t think CF defense under Melk has hurt the Yanks at all – even in his awful slump, Yanks have pretty much rolled.

          October? All bets are off, you put the strongest 9 in the field you can and maybe that’s Cam or Gardy.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        I never forgot how small he came up for the Mets when they needed him to hit and once they were out of it, he started hitting like a monster.

        I believe that’s actually in the official player handbook the MLBPA gives to players when they make it to the big leagues.

        Section 127, Paragraph B, Subsection 1: You are required to dog it, play like crap, make tons of errors, and generally not give a rat’s ass while playing for the Mets. You may choose to resume playing effectively once you relocate to another team.

        Section 127, Paragraph B, Subsection 1: The above union requirement applies only to the New York Mets, not the Binghamton, St. Lucie, Kingsport, GCL, or DSL Mets.

        • Mac

          It all makes sense now although I think their minor league affiliates are also following the major league clubs guidelines.

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      I do. They were close to trading for him in the offseason and now they could have him for less when there’s more of a need for him.

      • Makavelli

        Very good point. What would we have to give up though? Someone said Claggett above…but I don’t think that’ll fly.

        • Mac

          Also wonder if the Brews are still po’ed over the CC signing and pulling out of the trade Cammy for Melk in the offseason?

          • Makavelli

            As mad as they might have been…if THAT effects business decisions…then the GM is a terrible business man and should be fired.

            • Mac

              It probably goes higher up to the owners. Never underestimate how petty powerful people can be.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                Never underestimate how petty powerful people can be.

                *cough*jerrycolangelo*cough*

        • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

          For taking on his salary, and Looper’s (an immediate DFA candidate), it’d probably be alright.

        • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

          Also, it’s not like the Brewers are ready to make a push for the playoffs or anything. They’re not in a position to ask for a lot from the Yankees. As I said before, the Brewers would probably be best served trading him because as well as MC has played this year, I’m still not sure if he could get a deal worth more than the raise he’d get if he accepted arbitration.

          • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

            Okay that’s it for me; I’m out for the weekend. Have a good one, guys.

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