An interview with international scout (and former Yank) Mike Pagliarulo

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Mike Pagliarulo was selected by the Yankees out of the University of Miami in the sixth round of the 1981 Amateur Draft. Recalled in July of 1984, Pags served as the Yankee third baseman for the next five years before being traded to the San Diego Padres. He won a World Series with the Minnesota Twins in 1991, and played for the Baltimore Orioles, Seibu Lions in Japan, and the Texas Rangers before retiring at the conclusion of the 1995 season. A fan favorite during his time with the Yanks, Pags has been a frequent guest at Old Timers’ Day since his retirement.

Since retiring, Pags has worked in scouting and consulting. He founded the Baseline Group which seeks to provide business solutions for baseball and recently started the non-profit start-up Baseball Institute of Development.. He agreed to answer some questions from Matt Bouffard of Fack Youk. What follows are some highlights of the conversation. The full interview will run at Fack Youk in the near future.

Matt Bouffard: What’s it like being a former Yankee living outside Boston these days? Do you get any flack for that? Didn’t you grow up as a Yankee fan, and if so, how did that come about, and what was it like to be a Yankee fan in Medford during the 1970s?

Mike Pagliarulo: My dad was the biggest Billy Martin fan ever. We grew up in Boston and everyone was a Red Sox fan except him. When I was a kid I always thought my father was right except when it came to the Yankees. Well, after my first big league spring training where I met the big league guys for the first time; I said, “Dad you were right again!” The Yankee organization was built on class and respect and everyone I met there was the same way. Back in Boston I still caught heat, but nobody gives out that much crap without being scared!

MB: After coming up in mid-1984, you’re first full season with the Yanks was 1985. That was a tumultuous year: Yogi Berra was fired just 16 games into the season and Billy Martin returned for his fourth stint as Yankee manager. You guys spent all summer chasing Toronto, clawed back into the race, and went north of the border for the season’s final weekend needing a three game sweep to force a playoff. What was that pennant race like for you and what was the let down like getting eliminated that Saturday?

MP: Tumultuous is a word associated with New York. And it’s not a bad word. I’d like to refer to playing under certain scrutiny and pressure as the way it is supposed to be! We aren’t babies and people pay lots of money to see you play. I hate it when tabloids side with the poor player who’s under so much pressure while making 10 million dollars. That doesn’t appear to match.

1985 was the year in which I learned more about Mr. Steinbrenner than any other. I never realized how much he wanted to win until the last month of the season. One example was during September when we returned from a night game in Milwaukee. The game was late and the flight was delayed. We’d got into Newark airport about 6 AM and the Boss has limos waiting for everyone to take them home. We had a game that night. I couldn’t believe that such a cool and generous thing could be done without being in the press.

MB: Those years probably weren’t quite as wild as the Bronx Zoo years of the late 70s, but they were by no means calm. What was it like playing for George Steinbrenner in his heyday? Any thoughts on him stepping to the background now and allowing his sons to take over?

MP: The Boss was the best, no question. He was the best at taking care of his investment. He was the best at checks and balances, and he always knew what he had in the system. And that’s a much different scenario than today. Back then, we had the most players in the Major Leagues (coming from the Yankees’ system) and we had the best player development system in the world. Facts that are indisputable even with the abundance of players, fields, training methods in the industry today.

I believe the family will do just as good a job because they are all incredibly intelligent and driven; that’s kind of in the blood. I truly wish them the best of luck. Funny thing is, I feel so grateful that the Boss gave me the opportunity to put my kids through college. If he were to ask me to do anything in the world, I’d do it, and wouldn’t ask for compensation. The Steinbrenner family has no idea what it means to me that I can provide for my children and I’m so fortunate and forever grateful. That’s what the Boss means to me.

MB: In your Yankee career you played for three of the most interesting and well-liked men in Yankee history: Yogi, Billy, and Lou Piniella. What was it like playing for them? Were Billy and Lou as temperamental as they seemed? Lou was just getting his start as a manager then, how much of his style did he borrow from his mentor Billy?

MP: Billy and Lou were very much alike. I loved playing for both of them. Tremendous offensive managers and they could see the field so well. Both Lou and Billy had game plans and it was pretty difficult to outsmart them. Yogi was different in that he didn’t scream and holler as much. But to me, they were all in the same category of baseball knowledge and gamesmanship. I was lucky to have played for such great men.

MB: Is it true that Billy tried to get you to bat right handed at some point? I can’t seem to find any record of that happening in a game.

MP: Yes, I batted right handed once against Detroit. In 1985, we played a simulated game at Yankee Stadium for one of our pitchers, Marty Bystrom, who was on the DL. Simulated games normally take place at 3 PM, prior to batting practices. On this day Scott Bradley (now the Princeton baseball coach) was the left handed hitter and we needed a right handed hitter. So I volunteered. Simulated games, if done properly, are helpful and the coaching staff at the time, which included Billy, didn’t want me to do it. They wanted the game to be very serious. After I reassured them I was serious and that I’d switch hit in high school, college, and my first year as a pro, they let me hit right handed off of Bystrom. Well, I got something like four hits with a ball off the right field wall.

The coaches couldn’t believe it and Billy was pissed at me. He said I should stay right handed and continue switch hitting. The real reason for that was Billy liked me in there every day as he felt our team defense was much better with me at third base. The next road trip was to Detroit and in a tie game in the sixth inning, he handed me a helmet for a right handed hitter. I honestly didn’t want to do it because I didn’t feel I was prepared but I didn’t want to get taken out of the game either. I ended up doing it and struck out. Billy caught a ton of crap for that, but I know what he was thinking. It wasn’t a bad move if I’d have been prepared and actually, it was quite ingenious.

MB: Didn’t you once break your nose on an HBP and return to the line-up the next day? Tell us a little about that.

MP: On a Friday night in Oakland I was hit in the face by a Curt Young fastball. Actually the ball glanced off my wrist first as I tried to block it. It wasn’t Young’s fault; it was mine. A good lesson for young kids is knowing how to turn on the ball coming from the pitcher. I turned the wrong way when I opened up attempting to hit an inside fastball, but the ball just chased me and knocked my nose from one side to the next. It was pretty ugly actually.

I remember Lou Piniella was the manager and he was the first person I saw when they took the towel from my face. After about 10-15 minutes on the ground, they stood me up and took the towel away from my face. I first saw Lou and he said “Oh my God” then turned away. Young had a three run lead and got sick to his stomach, he had to be taken out of the game. Then they took me in a stretcher to the training room and then the hospital until 2 AM.

Saturday was a day game and I was still bleeding from my mouth and nose. I couldn’t stay on the bench; I guess I was too much of a distraction. On Sunday I was very anxious and requested to play. I didn’t care how I did, my goal was to simply get back in the flow. Lou put me in the lineup and they pasted these bandages on my face for the game. Well, the bandages helped because it actually fixed my alignment at the plate and improved my swing. After that, I went on a pretty good tear.

MB: Any favorite story or memory from your Yankee years that you’d like to share?

MP: Sure, I’ll give you the one that’s the best. A few years ago they asked all the former Yankees, “What was your best day as a Yankee?” Players were reminiscing about their 5 for 5 days and near no-hitters. But, mine was easier than that. It was my first Old Timers’ Game when I was a player on the team. Joe DiMaggio was in my locker and Whitey Ford was right near him. Yogi, Hank Bauer, Moose Skowron, etc, etc. DiMaggio was talking to me but I couldn’t say a word. It was Joe DiMaggio for God’s sake.

Then there was a quiet in the locker room as Billy Martin and Mickey Mantle came walking through the middle of the place. All of a sudden, all everyone could hear was Mickey’s voice as he lifted his arm and pointed his finger at me, Hey Billy, is that the guy?” Well, I wasn’t sure what I did wrong but I was ready to apologize for anything. When the god of New York says something to you, you shut up and listen.

Then they walked towards me and I felt a feeling of panic set in and I didn’t know what to do. Mickey Mantle reaches his arm around my neck and gets me in a headlock. He was wrestling me to the ground! Then he pulled me into the trainers’ room which was across the locker room and began to hit me with light punches in my sides. Just then, he and Billy began laughing as Mickey said, “Hey kid what’s up? How are you? Love the way you play and glad to have you on board.”

Mickey Mantle had just wrestled me to the ground and pulled me out ofJoe DiMaggio’s locker (which was mine) to tell me he liked the way Iplayed baseball. Can there ever be a better day than that?

MB: In July of 1989 you were traded to San Diego. What was that experience like for you after having been in the Yankees organization since being drafted in 1981?

MP: I did not like leaving New York. I felt it was my home, and the place that gave me a professional baseball life through an opportunity. I’ll never forget that, and I’ll always be grateful to the Steinbrenner family and the personnel working for the Yankees. I would not have wanted to start my career any other way.

MB: Some Yankee fans have been critical of your group’s role in the Kei Igawa signing. What’s your side of the story on this issue? Do you think Kei Igawa could succeed as a Major League pitcher, perhaps outside of the AL East?

MP: Let me correct you on that. Yankee fans know exactly what they’re looking at because they love researching the players. I suggest they weren’t real Yankee fans. Because in this instance, those same people don’t know how Matsui was acquired and they probably think I had nothing to do with Matsui either! I did the work and got all the information on Matsui and advised on all the other Japan negotiations. That’s a fact. It saved the Yankees about $8 million and helped developed the relationships they currently have there too. When the front office wanted little Matsui (Kaz Matsui) I was the only one who said no, and with good reason. I’ve got a good reason for all my decisions.

Then they changed the process for signing Pacific Rim players when Igawa was available: no more conference calls and no more collaborative meetings. Kei Igawa could succeed as a Major League pitcher. Keep in mind my business is consulting and players have roles determined by the various MLB teams. Igawa could play, but not for the New York Yankees. Igawa could play for a second-division type club and on the back end of the rotation. His success would not be good either. But, if you look at the talent out there and you’ve got pitchers in their forties getting extensions because the talent development isn’t like it once was, he (Igawa) can most definitely play.

The rest is history. My group has projected more than $350 million of player contract value and has never been wrong. We are the foremost leader in projecting risk of injury and talent for championship roles. I’ve got data to back all research findings for risk of injury and skill value. Assigning a player to a role is a piece of cake. Do you actually think I’d still be working if I was wrong about a player when millions of dollars are on the line? Our prediction models and research far exceeds most MLB teams because it’s all we focus on. We have to be right, so we don’t scout. We use a unique system capable of measuring performance and projecting risk. I’m really not sure with all those millions why other teams aren’t doing the same.

MB: What’s going on with the Baseline Group these days? What are your plans for the future of the organization?

MP: The plan is to help support the foundation of baseball. That is done by understanding the core elements of how the game was built, and then protecting those interests: Ownership, fans, players. Leadership provides the environment. Players compete at a high level of skill to provide unique value. Fans justify that value. The focus is those areas and they’re all connected. They are the most significant part of the game; to think otherwise would be a mistake.

The future looks very bright, and with a little help we’ll be able to purchase a minor league team and implement development as owners so that other ownership groups can benefit. The main benefit would be to create transparency for owners. I believe things are the way they are because the metrics associated with measuring value stinks. Baseball is the only industry that is unable to value the core assets of its businesses; that is a shame. The owners, fans, and players deserve more and it doesn’t start with money because everyone doesn’t have money. It begins with respect.

MB: At the ceremonies prior to the final game at Yankee Stadium, you were featured in the montage of former Yankee third basemen. Were you watching that night? What was that honor like for you?

MP: I missed the ceremonies last year, I’m sorry to say. But I have fond memories always. That day might have been the greatest but it comes second to the people I was able to share baseball and friendship with all around the Stadium. Honestly, I can see that batting cage as clear as a bell, and feel the fans along the third base line, and picture The Boss pacing around his suite, pacing because he always wanted to win so very badly. Those memories will never fade, because the fans won’t let it. I thank them for the great honor of recognizing me and keeping those thoughts in the front of my mind. I’m reminded today everywhere I travel by New York Yankee fans. It’s the greatest feeling.

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  • Jake K

    Loved Pags as a player, but his response to the Igawa question doesn’t seem entirely truthful.

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

    “MP: Let me correct you on that. Yankee fans know exactly what they’re looking at because they love researching the players. I suggest they weren’t real Yankee fans.

    Mike Pagliarulo: 1
    Ad hominem red herring: 0

    “Because in this instance, those same people don’t know how Matsui was acquired and they probably think I had nothing to do with Matsui either! I did the work and got all the information on Matsui and advised on all the other Japan negotiations. That’s a fact. It saved the Yankees about $8 million and helped developed the relationships they currently have there too.

    Mike Pagliarulo: 1
    Garden variety red herring: 0

    “When the front office wanted little Matsui (Kaz Matsui) I was the only one who said no, and with good reason. I’ve got a good reason for all my decisions.

    Mike Pagliarulo: 2
    Garden variety red herring: 0

    “…The rest is history. My group has projected more than $350 million of player contract value and has never been wrong.

    Mike Pagliarulo: 1
    Strawman: 0

    We are the foremost leader in projecting risk of injury and talent for championship roles. I’ve got data to back all research findings for risk of injury and skill value. Assigning a player to a role is a piece of cake. Do you actually think I’d still be working if I was wrong about a player when millions of dollars are on the line?

    Mike Pagliarulo: 1
    Appeal to ridicule red herring: 0

    Our prediction models and research far exceeds most MLB teams because it’s all we focus on. We have to be right, so we don’t scout. We use a unique system capable of measuring performance and projecting risk. I’m really not sure with all those millions why other teams aren’t doing the same.

    Mike Pagliarulo: 1
    Appeal to consequences red herring: 0

    • JMK
    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph Pawlikowski

      I am glad you did this. Felt the exact same way.

      Also, calling people “not true fans” is fucking bush league.

      • A.D.

        I don’t even get that comment from him.

    • I Remember Celerino Sanchez

      http://tinyurl.com/bgp6j5 (SFW)

      It’s Pags! Enjoy the reminiscing! Let the scouting stuff go!

    • Accent Shallow

      http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....tml?page=1

      Agreed. Pags has zero credibility when it comes to the Igawa issue.

    • A.D.

      Do you actually think I’d still be working if I was wrong about a player when millions of dollars are on the line?

      Probably, Dayton Moore just signed an extension, Igawa would be a minor blip of a bad MLB player acquisition for him.

      • Ed

        Probably, Dayton Moore just signed an extension, Igawa would be a minor blip of a bad MLB player acquisition for him.

        Pags pretty much said that himself just a few sentences earlier.

        “Igawa could play for a second-division type club and on the back end of the rotation. His success would not be good either.”

      • Chris

        This is what I really don’t get. He screwed up on this guy, but fighting it and acting like a baby just makes it worse. It would be better for him to come out and say what he saw in Igawa. Just because it didn’t translate to MLB isn’t just his fault – there’s yet to be a Japanese starter whose stuff does translate.

        • A.D.

          Yeah, I mean talent evaluation is a crap-shoot, the road to the majors is littered with busted 1st round picks, its easier to say hey we were a bit off on this guy, we still have a very strong track record.

        • Ed

          I think that’s easier to do on a Farnsworth type guy. Cashman could spin the Farnsworth signing with something like this: “He can hit 100mph and was showing signs of learning how to control it consistently. I expected his control to continue to improve but it didn’t.”

          I don’t think Igawa has a plus trait to play off of. Saying something like: “His changeup fools Japanese hitters, I thought it could fool MLB hitters too” just makes him look unfit to be a scout.

          If Pags can show a report he wrote that backs the claims he makes here, he should. Otherwise he should just admit he made a mistake, maybe leave the saving face to a line like “It’s hard to predict how Japanese pitching styles translate to MLB. No one is very good at it yet.”

  • EJC

    Great interview with Pags… I can remember being at the stadium for a few of his homeruns and nice defensive plays. I remember the time of him batting right handed and the criticism of Billy Martin that followed. It was nice to see the behind the scenes and why that was done.

  • A.D.

    Guessing the issue with Igawa was Pags wrote a positive report, probably wanted to amend by time of signing, but didn’t get enough of Cashman’s ear by then. On top of that there is the whole belief that Guidry tinkering with mechanics ruined Igawa (though by now figure he could have gone back)

    • Tom Zig

      There was nothing there to ruin.

    • A.D.

      or of course the obvious that he’s just wrong, and couldn’t come up with a spin/ just admit that some players don’t pan out to scout consensus.

  • jsbrendog

    i feel this is vaguely on topic because of the discussio of igawa and his effectiveness, but if you feel it is not then just ignore it.

    why don’t they just sell hiom back to japan like they did wit rasner? He has to be miserable here and knows he’ll never get a shot. Why not see what you can get no? I don’t get it.

    • A.D.

      They tried to this offseason, couldn’t work out a deal in which the right value.

      Basically no Japanese team was willing to give the Yankees the money they were interested in, given they have to pay him, and they do need starters in AAA

    • Tom Zig
    • Ed

      Rasner’s contract was up, but he was still under team control for cheap, so had a little value, but not much. He would have been non-tendered if not sold. So it was easy to work out a deal.

      Igawa is under contract for years for a significant amount of money, and the Yankees have already invested a ton in him. As much as he sucks, it’s better to hold on to him and hope for something rather than pay for him to play elsewhere.

  • A.D.

    Let me correct you on that. Yankee fans know exactly what they’re looking at because they love researching the players. I suggest they weren’t real Yankee fans.

    Seriously, this makes no sense

    • Jacob

      Glad I’m not the only one.

  • Tom Zig

    We’ve made our bed with Igawa, now we must lay in it. I think he’ll just ride out the contract in Triple-A. RAB will also probably post a special rememberance/good riddence thread when his contract ultimately runs out.

    • jsbrendog

      then he signs with the padres and becomes a soplid bullpen arm

  • Yankee1010

    Pags, you were fun to watch as a player. As a scout, you leave much to be desired. And apparently you need a damn mirror. It’s funny how those interwebs, faceplaces and twitter thingees work – it’s not so easy to pretend like you weren’t an idiot before.

  • mryankee

    I have a question why the hell did you recommend Igawa? 2: where the hell were you on felix hernandez?

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      I believe Felix didn’t want to sign with the Yankees.

      • http://www.teamnerdrage.com leokitty

        Yes they offered him more but he stuck with Seattle. I think he’d been working in their complex and had built a relationship with them already, etc. It happens.

  • Tank Foster

    Was this a live interview, or written/email?

    I would have liked a more candid, informative answer on Pags’ group’s thoughts on Kei Igawa, and to be honest, I thought Matt asked the question in a reasonably diplomatic way. I guess if he’d just said “can you give us your take on Kei Igawa, and how your group was involved with his acquisition?” it might have gone better…

    • jsbrendog

      i’m surprised there wasn’t a predetermined no igawa questions guideline.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        /FrostNixon’d

    • A.D.

      Yeah i thought the question was pretty lightly asked, and use “some” and specifically the Igawa acquisition, not his group as a whole.

    • http://www.fackyouk.blogspot.com MattB

      The interview was done via email.

      My impression is that it’s a highly sensitive subject for all parties involved: Pags, his group, Cashman, the Yankees as a whole, the fans, etc.

      I tried to frame the question to be both diplomatic and open-ended. I wanted to present the issue in a non-specific way and give him the opportunity to respond as he saw fit.

  • mryankee

    I think he was skirting the issue how could you believe a soft tossing lefty chump, could survive in the AL east? This one ultimatley is on Cashman because he must have okd the deal. I do wonder did not any one of the scouts who saw this guy pitch say anything to Cashman? I probably should not blams Pgas for Felix Hernandez if he only does pacific rim stuff

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph Pawlikowski

      Plus, the Yanks offered a contract to Felix, and he turned them down. It does happen.

      • mryankee

        what? are you serious we could have had that guy? instead of babying Joba. why did he turn it down? how much?

        • mryankee

          How the hell would they lose a bidding war with seattle? Thats criminal thats worse than Pags who is the moron who screwed that up?

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph Pawlikowski

            Read the comment below and quit assuming things.

        • A.D.

          Remember, Hernandez already turned the Yankees down for the Mariners as an amateur even though the Yanks (and Braves) offered more money, so it’s no slam dunk that he signs an extension to keep him in pinstripes past 2011.

          Apparently they pretty much couldn’t have him.

          • mryankee

            Why would you play for Seattle over the Yankees? There has to be something more

            • A.D.

              Road to the majors, less pressure, doesn’t like pinstripes, maybe he really likes coffee, who knows.

              • mryankee

                Well maybe your right-Why did this issue never get discussed? I mean I would like Cashman to tell us what happened?

            • Tom Zig

              Believe it or not not everyone wants to be a yankee.

            • Ed

              Don’t know how true it is, but supposedly after going to college Gerrit Cole was telling people he didn’t want to sign with the Yankees because they’ve always traded away their prospects and rarely gave them a chance to succeed.

              Maybe he likes the west coast. Maybe he doesn’t like the press. Maybe he wanted to have his growing pains on a crappy team.

              • A.D.

                Link I posted above explains the relationships the Mariners were able to forge with Felix

            • http://www.teamnerdrage.com leokitty

              Worked out in their Venezuelan complex for a long period of time and built a relationship with their team. This is very common in international signings, and one of the reasons why Miguel Sano has not yet signed. He wants to go to the Pirates because they’ve treated him well for a year+, his agent wants him to go where the money is.

      • A.D.

        Didn’t the Yanks and someone else offer more money then the Mariners?

  • J.R.

    The one quote I found very insightful was

    “Then they changed the process for signing Pacific Rim players when Igawa was available: no more conference calls and no more collaborative meetings.”

    I would love to know how much truth there was to this. Did the process actually change? Was there less input from Pags on Igawa? I think this is a sore subject for both Cashman and Pags and we will never get the full story.

  • mryankee

    Well if the Yankees did fail to sign feliz hernandez then Pags is off the hook and whoever screwed that hernandez deal up should be escorted out of the building by security.

    • Tom Zig

      I believe we covered this already. Felix just wanted to go to Seattle for some reason. We’ll see if he’ll turn down $200M over 10 years when he is a free agent at age 25.

      • mryankee

        You got that right felix at 25 and we can tell old Joba f he does not reach his potential that he is on the way out the door.

        • Tom Zig

          Well no I was thinking that Joba would be the #2 behind Felix, Hughes as the #3, AJ #4.

          • mryankee

            I am good with that maybe Joba can wats some pitchers who arent afraid to throw the ball.

            • JobaWockeeZ

              He’s young. Young pitchers struggle. Give him time. There’s numerous good pitchers who sucked in their first year of starting.

        • JobaWockeeZ

          No.

    • http://z.about.com/d/tvcomedies/1/0/F/-/-/-/judge310_72.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

      I’m sorry, but why is the name Felix Hernandez being bandied about in response to a post about an interview with Mike Pagliarulo? Pags wasn’t involved in Hernandez’s negotiations. It’s completely irrelevanty.

      • mryankee

        I think its relevant to know 1: Why this was never brought up on this site before? 2: what happened in the negotiantions? 3: we could (maybe) have had felix hernandez and not had to deal with babying Joba. Would he not be a nice starter in our rotation?

        • Drew

          oaktag

        • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

          1. I definitely remember talking about, or seeing it talked about, King Felix in the comments.
          2. He didn’t want to play for the Yankees or Braves and picked the Mariners. He’s allowed to do that.
          3. Felix has nothing to do with Joba. Stop pulling a John Kruk.

          • Tom Zig

            Couldn’t have said it better myself.

          • A.D.

            3. Felix has nothing to do with Joba. Stop pulling a John Kruk.

            Agreed, they’re not related.

        • http://z.about.com/d/tvcomedies/1/0/F/-/-/-/judge310_72.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

          1. It has been brought up on this site before. Just because you didn’t see it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.

          2. http://tinyurl.com/lubuhe

          3. Felix’s choice of teams and Joba being on the Yankees have nothing to do with each other.

          4. of course he’d be a nice starter in the Yanks’ rotation, but that doesn’t make any of this relevant or on-topic in this thread. It would also be nice to have Albert Pujols in the Yanks’ lineup, but that’s irrelevant, also.

        • MikeD

          The Mariners have been very careful in not having a dramatic increase in “King Felix’s innings from season to season, going back to the minors:

          ’04 — 149
          ’05 — 173
          ’06 — 191
          ’07 — 190
          ’08 — 200
          ’09 — 220 (projected)

          They would never push Felix from 100 to 200 innings, as you seem to be advocating for Joba.

      • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

        Otter: Germans?
        Boon: Forget it, he’s rolling.

        /TSJC’d

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Otter: Hi, Eric Stratton, rush chairman, damn glad to meet you.
          Boon: That was Eric Stratton, rush chairman, he was damn glad to meet you.

      • Tom Zig

        I don’t know. He brought it up on like 4 different occasions.

  • mryankee

    Well I guess the lure of safeco field must have been to much huh? thta just does not make sense? that deal is or lack thereof is more intriguing that dumbass Pags

    • http://z.about.com/d/tvcomedies/1/0/F/-/-/-/judge310_72.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi
    • Tom Zig

      Calling Pags a dumb ass is a bit outlandish. Sure he screwed up the Igawa deal and toots his own horn a bit, but give credit where credit is due.

      • mryankee

        Why for saying the best hitter in Japan not named Ichiro would be good in MLB. That is not that much of a reach

        • Tom Zig

          Maybe he did give a thumbs up for Ichiro. Maybe Cashman didn’t want Ichiro. Maybe we just lost in the anonymous bidding process. Maybe we just had a glut of outfielders.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph Pawlikowski

        I think we can just stop replying to mryankee’s rantings. He has an agenda, so there’s no getting through to him.

        • Tom Zig

          You got it hoss

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          His agenda is stupidity.

          • Rick in Boston

            Are the rants included in the RAB drinking game? If not, they need to be.

    • JobaWockeeZ

      Don’t call him a dumbass when you don’t know everything that he does.

      • http://z.about.com/d/tvcomedies/1/0/F/-/-/-/judge310_72.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

        How ’bout this… Based on the info contained in the links in Accent Shallow’s and TSJC’s comments, above, as well as the content of the interview posted above and much of the material provided on Pags’ website, I’m not a fan of Pags’ abilities as a scout or analyst.

        • JobaWockeeZ

          Oh that’s fine instead of blatantly calling someone a dumbass without knowing everything.

        • http://z.about.com/d/tvcomedies/1/0/F/-/-/-/judge310_72.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

          Add baravelli’s FJM link to that list.

  • baravelli

    Hey, I have fond memories of Pags as a ballplayer, sure. I had his baseball card, and was glad I did. But, as far as I’m concerned, the last word about his acumen as a scout/articulator-of-thoughts-in-English can be found here:

    http://www.firejoemorgan.com/2007/09/pags.html

    • Jersey

      I was just thinking about that. I still remember when FJM’s readership collectively tore Pags a new one, intellectually speaking, on his own site. It was like arguing with a LaRouchie.

      God I miss FJM.

  • Goldmember

    I heard Pags/Cash were responsible for the !!!Financial Meltown!!! of recent years. This apparently could have been averted if he was in charge of the Felix Hernandez negotiations. Who knew?

  • MikeD

    Pags’ response to the Igawa question was amazing. I wouldn’t have thought twice about it if he simply said “we missed that one,” or “we only recommended him as as back-end of the rotation pitcher,” with a “better than 50-50 chance me might bust.”

    Instead, his response was something along the lines of “we’re never wrong.” There’s not such thing in scouting, so his repsonse now would make me question his entire oranization. He almost seems “Lenny Dykstra-like.” Gasp!

  • jerseybillfromva

    really enjoyed his Mantle/Dimaggio story. the Steinbrenner/limo story was kinda cool,too.
    So what if he blew it on Igawa? so did all yank front office guys/girls. He claims the process changed on Igawa signing. Does anyone have info disputing that? Besides doesn’t the Matsui signing and the pass on Kaz more than make up for it?

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