David Robertson shut down, to see James Andrews

The Joba/Phil switcheroo
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Dun dun dunnnnnnn. Word came down this afternoon that David Robertson has been shut down with tightness in his elbow, and will be off to see Dr. James Andrews at a to be determined date. Girardi did not rule out a Robertson return this season, but any time you hear Dr. Andrews the potential for danger is high.

The Joba/Phil switcheroo
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  • Mr.Jigginz


  • http://anewfrontier.wordpress.com Pablo Zevallos

    Shit. So this(http://tr.im/yc9S) becomes much more relevant now.

  • Thomas A. Anderson

    Oh, dearie dear. If we have to see Bruney in a meaningful appearance this season, we are gonna be severely compromised in the pen.\

    Just when things were looking up. Shit.

    • Moshe Mandel

      High leverage stats:

      Player A: .194/.278/.290
      Player B: .385/.467/.500

      Care to guess? it should be obvious from the context, with the SSS caveat for relievers applying, of course.

      • http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2009/08/08/soxyank6__1249712396_8566.jpg Tom Zig

        A is Bruney
        B is Robo?

        • Moshe Mandel

          Ding ding ding!!!! TSJC, tell him what he’s won!!!!

          • rockdog

            Wow. Cool — and really surprising (to me, at least).

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            You’ve won the RAB Home Game and a year’s supply of River Ave. Hookers!!!

  • Stryker

    fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck. i guess we’ll be seeing another anthony claggett call up in robertson’s place then. this really sucks – he was really starting to come into his own and cement his place in the bullpen.

    • jsbrendog

      well melancon has 25 games to take his spot and show what he can do. eh?

      silver lining? meh? no?

      • Free Mike Vick

        For some reason…Melancon is in girardi’s dog house (like church was in Manuel’s).

        Joe had no problem playing Berroa and Ransom for like 60 games but of course, won’t dare give Melancon any kinda of regular use…no way..no how

        • steve (different one)

          Berroa never played. this post makes no sense.

  • jsbrendog

    so do yankee pitchers just have the worst deliveries or what? what is oging on here? does it just seem like mroe yankee pitchers have elbow/shoulder injuries than msot other teams or is it just me?

    • http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2009/08/08/soxyank6__1249712396_8566.jpg Tom Zig

      Do I have to drink three times or is it only once because it was one post

      • jsbrendog

        none. the game is when i leave a letter on the wrong word, as in somethingl ike this

        not misspelling a word

    • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

      it hink it sjusty ou…


      you want me to go down there to meet his plane with a banner?

    • Lanny

      thats because you’re focused on the Yankees. every team goes thru this. Thats why you stockpile young pitchers.

      • Moshe Mandel

        Yup. This happens to all, teams, we are just not familiar with the equivalent of Kontos and Garcia on the Brewers.

    • VO

      I think you notice Yankees injuries more because you follow the team, I’m sure every team has the same amount of injuries at the end of the season as long as their name is not the Mets.

  • bonestock94

    Hopefully it’s an overreaction amd he’ll be back. If not, one of albie, ramirez, or melancon is gonna have to step it up..

    • http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2009/08/08/soxyank6__1249712396_8566.jpg Tom Zig

      Jober for playoffs?

      /2000% speculation.

    • Charlie

      by “one of albie, ramirez, and melancon”, you mean melancon, right? cause albie and edwar especially should not sniff the playoffs

  • http://z.about.com/d/tvcomedies/1/0/F/-/-/-/judge310_72.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

    You guys just had to open your big mouths and talk about how healthy the Yanks have been this year, didn’t you.

    (Kidding… Although I’m sure you’re about to get a bunch of similar comments that are not jokes.)

    • VO

      They should just start saying all negative posts like how the Yankees are going to get injured and how they wont keep the lead in the AL East. Or better yet why don’t they just stop writing posts all together.

      /irational fan who believes in jinx’s’d

  • The Scout

    Terrible disappointment. He has been a real revelation this year, one of the relief pitchers who out-performed expectations when a number of others fell short. I hope this is one that rest will cure.

  • pat

    This is the part of the day where I get very angry.

  • The Three Amigos

    This sucks, but I dont even mind if we dont have him for the playoffs as long as he is good for the start of next year. Any TJ surgery would really be the pits.

  • Free Mike Vick

    i didn’t want to be the first one to say it….but..JOBA! lol

  • Nels

    I’d rather have Robertson go down that Sabathia, Mo, Hughes, Burnett, Pettitte, Ace, (and Joba assuming he gets back on track), but this still sucks pretty bad. Robertson quietly put up surprisingly impressive numbers this season.

    • JobaWockeeZ

      Yeah agreed. Hopefully he can be replaced if this gets serious.

      • Nels

        Yeah, Robertson seemed to be most valuable coming in for the 7th inning before Hughes is used. My initial thought was that Aceves could take that role, but he has been unbelievably effective bailing out starters who don’t have their best stuff and keeping the Yankees in the game and with guys like Joba, Mitre and Gaudin all not going deep into games at all, I’d keep him where he is. He could also be extremely valuable in the playoffs if a starter doesn’t have it… who knows how the Yanks would have in previous postseasons with a guy like Ace.

    • Kiersten

      You’d rather have Robertson go down than Sabathia? That’s crazy talk.

      • Lanny

        He’d rather have Robertson out than CC.


  • Dela G


    THIS CAME OUT OF NOWHERE???!??!??? :( :(

    • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

      yeah–like this:

      clubhouse attendant: mr robertson, skipper wants to see you.
      DR: Joe–what’s up?
      JG: hey…doesnt your elbow still hurt?
      DR: nah. feels fine. was playing long toss before with eiland showing him how good it felt with AJ just a few minutes ago.
      JG: …you want to be on my good side, right?
      DR: sure skip.
      JG: i need a distraction, and a reason to try out some weird relief combinations over the next three weeks, so i need a reliever to take a seat and keep his mouth shut about it. capiche?
      DR: hey skip, my elbow hurts all of a sudden…

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  • matt b

    That is a tough blow–just because he’s shown such improvement and potential as a stud reliever and you hope he’s not derailed for long.

    In terms of hurting the club for the playoffs, while I have gradually become more comfortable with D-Rob in high leverage situations, I don’t think that in and of itself is the big loss–I think the biggest impact goes to what they want to do about the fourth starter: it makes it tougher to contemplate taking Ace out of the pen and into the 4 hole as is contemplated in the post below, if you don’t feel like Joba is going to give you a decent start.

    I have never been supportive of using Joba out of the pen in really any capacity, just because I think it’s essential that he go through a full year, taking the ball every five days in the rotation, stay healthy, and have no confusion over where he stands long term (while noting that it’s routine to use back-end starters in relief in the playoffs).

    But D-Rob going down makes me re-think that view. I’d give serious consideration to putting Joba in the pen now, to try and assess how he looks out there in terms of PS contributio. And then you make the call whether you want Aceves or Gaudin (Mitre is out IMHO) to be the starter. Because if Joba can pitch an effective 3-6 outs working in relief, then I’d feel very comfortable winning a game 4 that essentially plays out:

    Gaudin–3-4 IP
    Ace–3-4 IP
    That will leave a potential back end of Joba, Phil, and Mo; you can use Coke to get a lefty earlier in the game if need be-and frankly, I think it’s time Joe starts using Marte for full innings, because historically, he gets righties out damn effectively, and IMHO, would pitch just as effectively as D-Rob given how he’s looked since returning.

    So, to me, this news=two key bullpen priorities right now:
    1. If Joba is even in the mix, do it now and see what’s there, that is see whether Joba > Bruney
    2. Start using Marte for full innings in medium-high leverage starts (e.g., pitch the 7th with a 4-1 lead).

    This would also argue strognly in favor of choosing the longer ALDS, where only 3 starters will be needed–you def want to minimize the Gaudin starts, not just because he’s Gaudin, but in a 7 gamer, you want to minimize losing Ace or Joba for 1-2 days afterwards.

    • Charlie

      that’s kinda foolish. you’re saying you want gaudin or aceves starting playoff games??

      • matt b

        “Want” is awfully relative there. No, what I’d want, of course, is a healthy and effective Chien Ming Wang or an effective and fresh Joba Chamberlain (and I am not giving up on that being a possibility). I just think it’s time for the Yanks to take a hard look at what Joba can give them in a start right now.

        Here’s my premise: hopefully, you’re only talking about this situation twice–once in a seven game ALCS and once in a seven game WS. I think it’s certainly been demonstrated–and while certainly not optimal–that a club can win a playoff game in which it gets a short, but decently effective outing from its starter. See, e.g., 2001 Game 5 ALDS v. Oakland (Clemens goes 4 decently effective innings) or 2004 Game 7 ALCS (Lowe doesn’t last that long, but pitches effectively) or even 2004 Game 5 ALCS (worst example since the Yanks pen blew it, but El Duque labored through 5 IP, 3 ER and left them with the lead).

        It’a clear to me, given what he’s been dialed back down to, his efficiency in general, his current level of effectiveness, and potential fatigue as he continues to eclipse his career highs in IP, is that the best you’ll get from Joba is a 6 inning outing. Maybe it will be a sensational one. But I’d say the more reasonable scenario is 4-5 IP. And honestly, throwing out any pre-conceived notions–and I’m looking at numbers, though very SSS–not just the ole “what my eyes tell me”–I see no reason to believe that Gaudin can’t be equally if not more effective at preventing runs over a 3-5 IP stretch than Joba can right now.

        If you accept that premise even theory, then I think you have to at least see whether putting in the pen, asking him to get no more than 3-4 outs, kicks something in that the Yanks can ride for a few weeks.

        Particularly against a lineup where the dangerous guys are predominantly right-handed, I think Gaudin gives you a decent shot at 4-5 IP, 1-2 ER allowed. And I’m not saying that Joba can’t replicate that–he probably can. But if that’s all you’re going to get, isn’t at least worth seeing if Joba in a relief role would be more effective than Gaudin in a relief role? You can probably use Gaudin as a situational righty–but you do worry about those walks. I would at least be curious to see whether if Joba knows he’s got one inning, he nibbles less, becomes less afraid to use his FB as his out pitch–and just so we’re clear, Joba in my book is 100% a starting pitcher going forward, no questions asked. And as I said above, it’d take exigent circumstances for me to argue that you should even consider using him in the pen. But those circumstances just may exist now.

        I don’t think there are any good choices here–but I think it’s manageable, and I think this team is good enough to win in spite of it.

  • Mac

    I don’t know how serious this is, simply because I am pretty sure I saw him long tossing in the outfield in front of Eiland before AJ warmed up last night. Could be wrong though.

  • Mike HC

    This is really not that big a deal. The Yanks pen is stacked right now and Robertson truly could not be trusted in any meaningful games. Mo, Hughes, Aceves, Marte, Bruney, Coke etc … can all easily handle the load and would be ahead of Robertson anyway when the games start to really matter again. Of course I would rather have him than not, but this will really not have much of a negative effect if it even has an effect at all

    • Lanny

      Couldnt be trusted? He earned higher leverage spots and you would see that if you watched the games. Girardi showed a ton of confidence in him and he was being rewarded.

      • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

        But his runners with men on, while a small sample size, are at least a little worrying.

  • http://twitter.com/Hopjake Jake H

    This is pretty big.

  • Charlie

    oh, fuck. that sucks quite a bit. what is it with young yankee pitchers and elbow problems? with this news, they’d be pretty lucky to have him back for october.

  • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

    Right after I read this news on Pete Abe, my cat died. I am not joking. That cannot be a good sign.

    • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

      …didnt you have a job interview today? maybe the yanks are fine, and you’re fu##ed?

      i mean, hey, no offense, but, um…


      how’d it go?

  • Accent Shallow

    Oh crap. And the bullpen just got shallower.

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  • Riddering

    I scanned the news earlier and thought this was one of those Mo groin/Ace shoulder things. Now I see this post and the very moment I read “Dr. James Andrews” I broke out in a cold sweat.

  • matt b

    Beyond my thoughts about Joba above and just the general shittiness of this news just as D-Rob was really taking that next step, I think the most obvious answer here is the guy I’m awfully glad to have back: Damaso Marte.

    Look at all his career splits, dude has always gotten righties out as well. He’s no loogy when he’s right, and at the moment, his stuff looks right–velocity is a good as it’s been historically, slider looks tight and sharp.

    Now I don’t know if the shoulder is so precarious that they can’t use him too often. But if he can go, for me, he easily has to get the first crack at high leverage innings before Bruney does.

    I will say, Bruney looks like he’s ever so slowly righting the ship (though I have never been part of the group that viewed him as a consistently elite reliever). I don’t mind letting Bruney start an inning, particularly if the lead is more than 1 or they’re down a couple runs. But I don’t think your plan is to have him work a full inning, with the case in point being his recent Toronto outing–quickly gets two outs, then boom, 4 pitch walk to Bautista, the nine hitter. If I’m Joe, if I run Bruney out there, I’m hoping he gets an out, maybe two–and then I’m taking the ball. I don’t trust the command enough.

  • thurdonpaul

    take a couple deep breaths folks, we will be fine

  • mustang

    Lets just see what happens and hope for the best.

  • MikeD

    Didn’t Bruney go off to see Dr. Andrews earlier this year and not need surgery? Didn’t Wang go off to see Andrews his first season with the Yanks and it was decided he didn’t need surgery. Hopefully Robertson gets some good news and just needs rest.