Fan Confidence Poll: September 21st, 2009

Looking beyond Joba for some fourth options
Robertson aims for weekend return

Record Last Week: 3-3 (27 RS, 28 RA)
Season Record: 95-55 (856 RS, 705 RA), 5.0 games up
Opponents This Week: @ Anaheim (3 games), vs. Boston (3 games)

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Given the team's current roster construction, farm system, management, etc., how confident are you in the Yankees' overall future?
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  • Doug

    consider me a 7.

    and i’m going to venture a guess that the average rating is below 8 for the first time since we swept the sox

  • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

    9 as usual.

  • Makavelli

    I clicked the wrong one. I meant to hit 6 but I hit 5 by accident. I was a 7 last week…and we’re doing far worse than we were then…so clearly it’s going to go down at least a little bit.

    No set play-off rotation. Like to see some consistency with Burnett (who has had one good start in his past 5)…Joba looks hopeless by this point. He’s been horrible for quite some time now. No reason to think he’ll magically turn it all on once the playoffs begin. Pettitte has shoulder fatigue right on cue…Sabathia is the only one we know we’re getting now…and unfortunately, he’ll be head to head against another teams Ace. So if their Ace pitches better than ours? We’re pretty screwed.

    Our hitting has been slumping too. Yet somehow we’re still winning half of our games. When considering our hitting and pitching situations…5-5 I guess isn’t bad…but when discussing the playoffs…it’s nothing to be happy about what-so-ever.

    The Red Sox pitching depth they were boasting about all year is finally coming through. After throwing Dice K on the DL for the majority of the year for “fatigue”, designating 2 starters for assignment, and having Wakefield on the DL off and on…the Red Sox have their post season rotation just in time…and their 9-1 record tells a pretty decent story of what it may be like.

    • Stryker

      um..that red sox pitching depth? last time i checked the two guys they brought in to give them that depth are no longer with them.

      • Makavelli

        Buccholz and Dice K have been far better than the two guys they let go.

        • Nady Nation

          Dice-K has made TWO STARTS, the second of which was average. Yet you preached below to Ben how one game is too small of a sample size to judge anything by. At least be consistent.

  • Joe R

    Level stayed the same, however I am a little worried about slumping at the end of September and everyone else playing well. Esp Boston. Hopefully we right the ship soon otherwise it’ll be another short post season.

    • Joe R

      Would be nice to pull out 4 of the next 6.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Boston: 13-5
      New York: 12-7

      • Makavelli

        Since September 10th (9 games up in the division)

        Boston: 9-1
        New York: 4-5

        Lost 4 games in the division since then…

        • Nady Nation

          Do you expect the Yankees to play at an .800 clip all season? Or for the Sox to continue to struggle for 2 months straight? That just isn’t realistic. There are bumps in the road with every team, especially one that will trot out the likes of Mitre, Gaudin, and Joba for 3-4 innings at a time (which as tsjc has noted, we are only doing b/c we have the luxury of being able to). How do you possibly worry so much about a team that’s 40 games over .500?

          • Makavelli

            I’m not worried about them making the playoffs. But I don’t see how you can dismiss a 4-5 record against Baltimore, Toronto, and Seattle…while the Red Sox have a 9-1 record against heavier teams…

            We were 9 games up on Sept 10th, now we’re 5 games up on Sept 21st. That’s all I’m saying.

            Do I expect us to play .800 baseball constantly? No. But I never expected us to play .800 baseball until the end of September…and then go from .800 baseball to .400 baseball at the flip of a switch…

            • http://www.richardiurilli.com Richard Iurilli

              In the last nine days, the Red Sox have played the lackluster Orioles, the freefalling Rays, and the Angels, whome they always beat.

              • http://www.richardiurilli.com Richard Iurilli

                Not only that, but the Red Sox would have lost two of three to the Angels if Rick Reed wasn’t a blind dolt.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  That too.

                  If 1) Mariano doesn’t improbably blow that save and 2) the umpire properly calls Strike 3 in Fenway, the Yankees would be 13-6 and the Sox would be 12-6 in September, and the lead would be 8 games with 12 to play.

                  TWO PITCHES would turn a 5 game lead and “The Sox are playing better than us” to an 7 game lead and “We’re playing better than the Sox”.

                  TWO PITCHES. People are freaking out over two pitches.

          • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

            mmm…i dont think we’re doing it because we can…lets say we didnt want to: do we then trot out CC on 3 days rest? run each of them out there for three MORE innings?

            right now, who signs up for 6 more innings of Joba a week?

            we can, but we also dont have all that much of a choice.

            the good news is, we’re still THE @_()*@#$_(* YANKEES BITCHES!!!

        • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

          Since September 20 (6 games up in the division)

          Boston: 1-0
          New York: 0-1

          Lost 1 game in the division since there. Ergo, the Yanks will lose the division.

          /Makavelli’d

          • Makavelli

            lol. Good one. I’m just saying that September is a little deceiving because we were great the first half of December and have since struggled mightily. That’s all. 10 games is still a pretty good sample size…1 game isn’t.

            • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

              10 games is not a pretty good sample size. If it was, then the Red Sox would be a .900 club and the Yanks a .400 club. In a season with 162 games, 10 games is a meaningless sample.

              • Makavelli

                It’s a good enough sample size to see how a group has been playing in the short term. That’s why they give you the option on the standings part of any website. If it were indeed meaningless, it wouldn’t exist. It gives you a good idea how the team has been playing recently. If ONE game was just as telling…they would use ONE game instead. But they don’t…they use 10. And I’m guessing it’s because of the reason I’ve just explained.

                • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

                  They still stick batting average but not OBP and slugging in box scores. That doesn’t make it a better analytical statistic.

                • Makavelli

                  Ok. So what you’re saying is that we’re playing good baseball right now…we did perfectly fine against teams like the Orioles, Blue Jays, and Mariners…and you’re entirely confident that, with our mysterious rotation in the playoffs, we’ll play FAR better against FAR better teams…

                  I’m only stating facts as to why I’m concerned. Adding games where we played better nearly a month ago doesn’t exactly change much of what’s been happening more recently. That’s all I’m saying.

                • http://twitter.com/JamalG_BB Jamal G.

                  One of those losses came with Sergio Mitre as the starting pitcher against the Blue Jays ( and I have previously explained what a nightmare that combination is), and the other with Mariano Rivera giving up back-to-back extra-base hits with two outs and nobody on the blow a one-run game; do you see either of those two as likely events to occur in October?

                • http://twitter.com/JamalG_BB Jamal G.

                  My point was that if those losses are wins, you’d be be singing a different tune; thus, proving how meaningless this stretch is (i.e., if your opinion will change over the results of two games, it’s a meaningless sample).

                  Oh, and compared to the other AL contenders, the Yankees’ rotation > all.

                • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

                  No. What I’m saying is that you’re making a mountain out of a molehill. The Yankees haven’t played their best baseball of late. No one is denying that. But to claim they are now a bad team because of a ten-game stretch and won’t win the division because of a ten-game stretch is simply illogical and ludicrous.

                • Makavelli

                  I’m not claiming that though. I was just stating my concerns and rating my confidence accordingly. That’s all.

                • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

                  with a population of 162, what is the smallest number that is statistically significant? anyone? anyone?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Remember, the 90’s teams always slumped in Sept.

      • Makavelli

        True, but teams in the 90’s were entirely different than they are today. Back then…the entire game was played like the national league today. Now you have incredible rotations with outstanding hitting 1-9 in the AL. Only problem is…our rotation isn’t exactly incredible anymore lol

        • Jersey
          • Jersey

            Reply fail.

        • Nady Nation

          You must’ve been a joy to be around when the Yanks went 3-15 in September of 2000.

          • Makavelli

            I don’t see what a season 9 years ago has to do with this year. We can’t use statistics on Joba or Hughes from last year because it’s entirely different…but taking something that happened 9 years ago is acceptable…I don’t get it.

            • Nady Nation

              It’s the point that in 2000, they were MUCH MORE AWFUL in September than they’re currently playing THIS September, yet they went on to win the World Series. Sorry that you couldn’t draw the parallels.

              • Makavelli

                They were an entirely different team…as were every other team. In fact, baseball as a whole was ENTIRELY different. Steroids were rampant…the Yankees were a team that had just won 2 World Series in a row, etc.

                I don’t really see that many parallels at all actually…

                • Nady Nation

                  I find it impossible to believe that you weren’t totally panicking when they went on a 3-15 stretch in September of ’00 solely b/c the Yanks had “just won 2 World Series.” Whatever, you just love to worry and be pessimistic, so I will let you continue to do so.

                • Makavelli

                  I don’t love to do anything of the sort. I just don’t understand how losing 4 games in the past 10 days to the Red Sox on the brink of the playoffs is anything to be confident about. That’s all. I was worried back then. As everybody should have been. Just like I’m fairly worried now. I don’t see how you can be “confident”…even if they are purposely losing games because they don’t care as some are suggesting.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  I just don’t understand how losing 4 games in the past 10 days to the Red Sox on the brink of the playoffs is anything to be confident about. That’s all.

                  It’s not anything to be confident about.

                  It’s also not anything to LOSE confidence about, though. That’s the issue. Yes, we’re not playing great right now; yes, the Sox are playing better. Based on those two facts, you probably shouldn’t be gaining any confidence at the moment.

                  You probably shouldn’t be LOSING any confidence either, though, because this ten game stretch is a rather insignificant blip. That’s what we’re saying. If you’re going up or down based on 10 games, you’re micro-analyzing and reading too much meaning into things that are fairly meaningless.

        • http://twitter.com/JamalG_BB Jamal G.

          Yeah, it’s not like the offense throughout the AL has been dramatically worse in 2009 than it was a decade ago … oh, wait.

          Also, what “incredible rotations” are you talking about? Honestly, where are you getting all this from?

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

    If Mo strikes out Ichiro there instead of giving up that homer, our division lead is still 6.0 games with 12 games to play, and our September team record would be 13-6. The Red Sox September record is 13-5.

    And, unlike us, they’re actually trying to win all their games. We keep starting Sergio Mitre because we don’t give a shit. Because we don’t need to give a shit, we’re the balls.

    Confidence Level: 10

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      It’s funny, because if the Yanks won yesterday and their lead went from 4 games to 5 instead of losing to go from 6 to 5, people would be feeling pretty damn good right now.

    • http://www.richardiurilli.com Richard Iurilli

      Looks like tsjc needs a little confidence boost.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEfXoIHb_Lc

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        I want those two minutes of my life back.

    • Makavelli

      Yeah, and if we won 2 out of 3 against the Orioles like we should have we’d be more confident…if Sergio Mitre didn’t give up 4 home runs against Toronto and we won that game…we’d be more confident. You can say that about any game really. Fact of the matter is…we DIDN’T win those games…and we’re now in the predicament we’re in because of it.

      That’s like your wife catching you cheating on her and saying “well, if I didn’t cheat on you…you’d be happy right now. Just think of it like that.” lol

      • Nady Nation

        Yea, 5 games up in the division with 12 to play. What a terrible predicament to be in.

        • Makavelli

          When you’re playing .400 baseball and the person behind you is playing .900 baseball against better teams…it is a bit concerning…

          • Nady Nation

            And in that 10 game span where we played .400 baseball, I believe half of those games were started by Gaudin (0 impact on postseason chances), Mitre (0 impact on postseason chances), and Joba (very minimal impact on postseason chances). Yet you insist on using that 10 game sample size as the bible.

            • Makavelli

              Gaudin (0 impact on postseason chances), Mitre (0 impact on postseason chances), and Joba (very minimal impact on postseason chances)

              If that is the status on those guys post season chances…than who the hell else is there????

              • Nady Nation

                Oh, I don’t know – our 3 best starters who will be starting all but 2-3 playoff games, max?

              • http://twitter.com/JamalG_BB Jamal G.

                CC Sabathia; Andy Pettitte; A.J. Burnett; Mariano Rivera; Phil Hughes; David Robertson; Alfredo Aceves; Damaso Marte; Phil Coke; Jorge Posada; Jose Molina; Mark Teixeira; Robinson Cano; Derek Jeter; Alex Rodriguez; Jerry Hairston Jr.; Johnny Damon; Melky Cabrera; Brett Gardner; Nick Swisher; Hideki Matsui.

                • http://twitter.com/JamalG_BB Jamal G.

                  OK, not so much in regards to Jerry Hairston Jr., but, you get the drift.

                • Makavelli

                  I see, so if all else fails…Jorge Posada pitches Game 4 in the ALCS (assuming we make it there)…well in that case…my confidence has shot up to 9…

                • http://twitter.com/JamalG_BB Jamal G.

                  You asked a silly question, and got a smart-ass answer. Also, are you aware of the fact that if the Yankees play in a maximum of 19 playoff games (11-8), Joba Chamberlain will start a grand total of – *gasp* – two games (one each in the ALCS and World Series)?

                  Sergio Mitre and Chad Gaudin will either be at home during October, or never sniff a high-leverage inning during the month; you really need to put things in perspective.

                • Nady Nation

                  Bingo. Thank you, Jamal.

                • http://twitter.com/JamalG_BB Jamal G.

                  BIG BLUE WRECKING CREW!!!!!!

                  Wait, I mean, you’re welcome.

                • Nady Nation

                  Haha, yessir. I’m fairly excited for the inevitable ribbing of Mr. Pop during the open thread tonight.

                • Makavelli

                  Depending on how many games Sabathia pitches in the ALDS, the rotation isn’t always set up perfectly. You can’t say that Joba/Gaudin will start only 2 games. Besides, if it were set up perfectly? Sabathia faces the other teams Ace…so there is still a decent chance we can lose that one. Then we have an inconsistent AJ who has been anywhere between stellar…to Joba-like. And we now have word about Pettitte with perhaps shoulder fatigue (with also his Home ERA, where he’d seemingly pitch, being nearly 2 runs higher than on the road)…

                  So those “2” starts might actually be useful…

                • http://twitter.com/JamalG_BB Jamal G.

                  Matched up against future Cooperstown hopefuls such as Daisuke Matsuzaka or Joe Saunders; or if the Yankees choose the longer ALDS: Cy Young candidates Nate Robertson and any Twins starter not named Scott Baker. Yeah, remember what I said about perspective?

      • http://www.richardiurilli.com Richard Iurilli

        “if Sergio Mitre didn’t give up 4 home runs against Toronto and we won that game…we’d be more confident”

        But why would anything Sergio Mitre does affect your confidence about the Yankees in October? The odds of him even making the roster, much less starting a game, are astronomical.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        No, Makavelli. There’s a reason I singled that game out amongst all other games: It’s the anomaly.

        Mariano Rivera giving up a double and a homer with two outs in the bottom of the ninth, turning a victory into a defeat: that’s an anomaly. That shit doesn’t normally happen.

        Sergio Mitre losing to the Jays? You expect that. Mariano blowing a safe by giving up two XBH to Mike Sweeney and Ichiro? That’s a blindside hit. That’s a rarity. That’s a fluke.

        So, think about my statement this way:

        “If something that only happens 1 time out of a 100 doesn’t happen, we’d be 13-6 and the Red Sox would be 13-5. So calm down.”

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          *blowing a save*

          Whoops.

          • Chris

            Thanks. I was worried Mariano was caught robbing a bank in Seattle.

        • Makavelli

          I mean I guess so…but even then we’d be 5-4 since September 10th instead. It’s much better than 4-5…but when facing Baltimore, Toronto, and Seattle…it’s still not great when considering we’ll be facing far better teams 2 weeks from now in the playoffs.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            I don’t know how else I can say this to you, Makavelli, so I’ll just say it again:

            We don’t care about these games. Not like Boston does.

            Objective 1) Stay healthy.
            Objective 2) Give guys rest.
            Objective 3) Line up the postseason rotation.
            Objective 4) See if Joba can get straightened out in order to make a contribution to the back end of the playoff rotation.
            Objective 5) Win the division.
            Objective 6) Be better than Boston.

            That’s our current priority list. If going 4-5 down the stretch allows us to accomplish Objectives 1 through 4, we’ll take it.

            • Makavelli

              Yes, I agree whole-heartedly…but we haven’t done any of those things yet.

              No guarantee everyone stays healthy…Pettitte just had shoulder fatigue…and anything can happen in 12 games. Joba doesn’t seem to be healthy…healthy pitchers seemingly can correct themselves. He’s had months of not being able to correct himself. Giving guys rest is about the only thing we’ve been doing. Our post season rotation is still in question…nobody knows who’s going to start. If Joba isn’t the answer…let the person who IS know so they can prepare for it.

              Yes, I understand we didn’t need those games…but now we need the remaining games…because we’re facing far better teams than the Red Sox are…and Yankees with home field advantage/Red Sox on the road >>>>>>>> Red Sox with home field advantage/Yankees on the road

              • Zack

                “No guarantee everyone stays healthy…Pettitte just had shoulder fatigue…”

                Yeah but they stupidly skipped his start and while the division is slipping away.

              • Zack

                “Yankees with home field advantage/Red Sox on the road >>>>>>>> Red Sox with home field advantage/Yankees on the road”

                Home
                NYY 52-23
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                Road
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                BOS 37-37

  • http://www.richardiurilli.com Richard Iurilli

    Still an 8. It’s just a rough patch. CC is CC, and I think that A.J. will pitch better and Andy will be healthy.

    Coupled with this lineup, there’s no one this team should be afraid of come October.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Coupled with this lineup, there’s no one this team should be afraid of come October.

      New York Yankees, Post ASB (sorted by AB, min 100):
      Derek Jeter .340/.401/.465 (.866)
      Robinson Cano .342/.369/.560 (.928)
      Mark Teixeira .317/.391/.621 (1.011)
      A. Rodriguez .307/.396/.472 (.868)
      Johnny Damon .306/.380/.493 (.873)
      Melky Cabrera .258/.322/.388 (.709)
      Nick Swisher .278/.388/.557 (.945)
      Hideki Matsui .293/.372/.513 (.885)
      Jorge Posada .275/.344/.539 (.883)

      • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

        This makes me all warm inside.

      • Jersey

        Those are video game numbers.

      • alex gonzalez

        arod wont necessarily carry that into october. but if everyone else does it wont even matter what he does.

        • http://www.richardiurilli.com Richard Iurilli

          I’d love for you to try and make an argument to back up that statement that doesn’t rely on numbers compiled in an excruciatingly small sample size.

          • alex gonzalez

            game 5 of 2004 onwards is a small sample size?

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              game 5 of 2004 onwards is a small sample size?

              Yes, actually, it is.

              • alex gonzalez

                so everything before that must also be a small sample. when he actually hit well before coming to the high pressure situations of new york. so everything is a small sample from the postseason. why do people defend him so much. why is everyone so afraid to talk about his flaws in the postseason. it reeks of homerism. arod has been flat out bad the last few years. ask torre, he batted him 8th in the lineup. the second to worst hitter usually bats 8th. sometimes pichers in the nl. he is equivalent to a pitcher when playing in the playoffs.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  so everything before that must also be a small sample.

                  Yes, it also is.

                  when he actually hit well before coming to the high pressure situations of new york. so everything is a small sample from the postseason.

                  Yes. You’re starting to get it…

                  why do people defend him so much.

                  Because neither his postseason successes nor his postseason failures are a good barometer for judging his postseason ability, because they’re all small samples. You judge him based on his regular season sample, because it’s larger. Most players move towards their career norms the larger their postseason sample gets. As ARod gets more PA’s in October and you have a larger sample, October ARod starts to look more like regular season ARod.

                  why is everyone so afraid to talk about his flaws in the postseason. it reeks of homerism.

                  No, it reeks of perspective. I was not a Giants fan but I wouldn’t have felt confident facing Barry Bonds, because eventually he’s going to hit in the postseason, just like he did in 2002 (to use a team you’d understand).

                  arod has been flat out bad the last few years. ask torre, he batted him 8th in the lineup.

                  Hmm, interesting that you’re willing to damn ARod for his postseason failures based only on the latter half of his October sample but not willing to damn Torre. Interesting…

                  the second to worst hitter usually bats 8th. sometimes pichers in the nl. he is equivalent to a pitcher when playing in the playoffs.

                  Torre batting ARod 8th for one game does not mean he’s equivalent to a pitcher. You literally have no clue what you’re talking about.

                • http://www.richardiurilli.com Richard Iurilli

                  Since the beginning on the 2005 postseason, A-Rod has compiled a grand total of 89 plate appearances. EIGHTY-NINE. To put that number in context, Mark Teixeira had a .738 OPS through his first 90 plate appearances this year. Does Mark Teixeira suck?

                • alex gonzalez

                  dont compare the hitting of arod and barry bonds. the only similarity is that they both cheated. barry bonds was able to hit whenever he wanted to in the postseason. the big question was the chemistry of 2002 giants and the effect that barry bonds had on it. he hit in the postseason like no one ever has. 2002 giants and 2009 yankees are completely different. hopefully the chemistry doesnt hurt the team from arod. i think torre knew what he was doing. he was hitting like a pitcher so batted in that spot. i will eat my words if arod hits this postseason and brings a world series back to new. chances of him doing that are slim. we have to rally and win as a team no matter what he does. i thought pitching wins postseason games. thats what everyone always says. so why defend afraud so feverantly. my confidence still remains high. even if we are comparing apples and oranges between this team and other world champions.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  Nothing you just said is accurate.

                • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

                  Stop. Responding. To. Him. Engaging this guy in conversation is a useless and fruitless endeavor that will only serve to frustrate you. He’s not going to listen to your arguments, he’s not going to listen to reason…just stop.

                • JGS

                  barry bonds was able to hit whenever he wanted to in the postseason

                  Barry in the 2002 postseason:
                  .356/.581/.880/1.461 (!!!!)

                  Barry in the non-2002 postseason (1990-2 NLCS, 1997 and 2000 NLDS, 2003 NLDS):

                  .198/.343/.302/.645

                  wrong again alex

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph Pawlikowski

                  See Matt’s comment above. He won’t respond to anything, even hard facts. Everything is self-evident to him. Engaging him is a waste of time.

                • JGS

                  oh I know. I figure the more reaching and ridiculous his counter-argument is, the better I’ve made my point

                  that and I really don’t feel like studying right now

          • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

            You’re not going to get it.

        • Makavelli

          Post season numbers are overrated. With the correct amount of plate appearances…they usually equal out to how you are in the regular season (see: Derek Jeter). Alex Rodriguez, despite your 89 plate appearances you’re holding against him…still has a .279 career post season batting average. In comparison, Dustin Pedroia has a .262 batting average in the post. Jacoby Ellsbury has a .263 batting average in the post. So we should write those guys off too I guess…

      • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

        this tesherra guy…

        remember when i said joba should pitch an inning BEFORE the game starts to get that shit out of his system?

        better idea:

        mark tesherra needs to bat AN EXTRA month before everyone else.

        we get his career average instead of what we got the first 125 PA’s…yikes…

  • Doug

    “We keep starting Sergio Mitre because we don’t give a shit.”

    this isn’t really the case. aren’t we starting him because we have to?

    • Doug

      supposed to be a reply to tsjc…my bad

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Yes. If we really were in the thick of it and needed to scrap and claw for every win, we most assuredly would have went out and done something else, like signing Paul Byrd or Pedro Martinez or trading for Garland or some other “meh” marginal upgrade. Or maybe we would have panicked and overpaid for Bannister or Washburn or drastically overpaid for Halladay or Lee.

        We didn’t, because we know we can still win the AL East even while pissing away a handful of September starts. So, we keep starting Mitre because… whatevs. No big whoop.

    • alex gonzalez

      dont let facts get in the way of his points. no but seriously, they could be starting other people. like guadin or some other september callup kid.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Thanks for responding for me correctly (and also attempting to make fun of me in a manner that only really makes fun of you since we all know you’re the one who never lets facts get in the way of your points).

        You’re right (and unintentionally funny). Thanks, bro.

  • Mike Pop

    9.
    I really hope Hughes gets back in the rotation next year though, please don’t make a bad decision, Yanks.

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      Sup, Lawrence Tynes? ;)

      But seriously, though, I don’t think they’ll make that mistake. Hughes will be a starter next season.

      • Mike Pop

        I have no problem eating crow, but i’ll do it in an open thread.

        • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

          Haha, it’s all good, bud.

          • Mike Pop

            I couldn’t sleep last night.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              Here, let me say something that will make you feel better:

              Darrelle Revis just totally shut down Andre Johnson and Randy Moss in back to back weeks. Made them utterly irrelevant. He’s tied with Nnanmdi Asomugha as the best CB in football.

              (doublechecks notecard)

              Wait, a second, this isn’t something that makes you feel good… it’s something that makes ME feel good. I got the wrong notecard. My bad, bro, forget that I mentioned it.

  • Count Zero

    Well, it doesn’t change my confidence level overall, but I am a bit concerned about the division / home field. Just last week I saw a lot of people on here commenting that the AL East race was over, and I thought it was pretty stupid of them at the time.

    Four in the L column with three head-to-head left is far from over. Especially when we have three road games in LA in front of that matchup and Boston has KC for three. (At least they draw Greinke against Byrd.) Realistically, we need to win at least three of the next six — and four would be a lot better.

    Don’t get me wrong — I feel confident we will do that. But it’s far from guaranteed. In my mind, the road to WS starts tonight.

  • Aaron – Long Island

    I’m a 6, but I lack confidence in general.

    I think the Yanks will win 100+ games this year, and if the Red Sox manage to take the division despite that, then que sera, sera.

    I’m worried about a potential first round match-up with the Detroit Verlanders or, in the more unlikely case, the Angels. The prospect of facing the Twins is actually the most inviting scenario in my eyes. Regardless, when I look at rotations, bullpens, and lineups, I feel like the Yankees are the better team in any first round match and would be able to win on the home or on the road. The idea of a Yankees / Red Sox ALCS terrifies me though (2004 cut me too deep. I’m not ready yet).

    Long-term, I’m worried about two things. One is age in the line-up and the other is whether they have stunted prospect development in order to win now (see Hughes / Joba in the bullpen, when more development as starters may have been warranted). Only time will allay those fears.

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      Detroit, after Verlander and Cabrera, really isn’t all that scary. Then again, the last time I was overconfident heading into a playoff series with the Tigers, things did not end well for the Yankees.

      • Tom Zig

        Kenny Rogers also had pine tar on his hand at the time.

    • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

      I’m a 6, but I lack confidence in general.

      I don’t see how someone who has watched this team all year can be a 6. Only this new breed of Yankee fan exhibits such a high level of pessimism in the face of a postseason berth and the best record in Major League Baseball.

      My confidence is a 1 because the Yankees aren’t 150-0. Anything worse is simply unacceptable.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        A 1 might be too high. How did we look in those 150 victories? Were any of them single-digit victories? Were they all against the Sox? If all 150 weren’t double-digit victories against the Red Sox, I may have to go with a 0.5 Confidence Level.

        • Bob Stone

          Are you sure 0.5 isn’t too high? Let’s not get over-confident.

      • Aaron – Long Island

        You’re right, based on overall results, I absolutely cannot justify my rating based on anything other than my skewed perspective and negative overall outlook.

        Sorry for that.

      • http://pastadivingjeter.com crotch_jenkins

        You’re being way too cocky. It is impossible to win a World Series without Joe Torre.

      • Ed

        I don’t see how someone who has watched this team all year can be a 6.

        I don’t agree with it, but I can see how someone could feel that way. The state of the Yankees pitching, pessimistically speaking:

        CC – He’s been great, but he took that line drive off the chest. Maybe he’ll have issues from that?

        Burnett – He was great last time out, but terrible for a while before that. Burnett’s never been consistent.

        Pettitte – His shoulder is sore. Who knows how it will hold up. Last year he tried to pitch through a sore shoulder and put up by far the worst stretch of his career.

        Joba – He’s been awful ever since he passed his previous professional innings high, and is already 36 innings past that point. He’s almost at 50% more innings than he pitched last season, and will probably hit 50% more than in 2007 by the end of the season. That’s a big increase, and that’s before the postseason starts. Is it really realistic to expect a lot out of him at this point?

        Gaudin – You’re taking a guy who put up a 5.13 ERA and 1.53 WHIP in Petco Park and throwing him into the AL East. How much can you really expect?

        Mitre – After a 5 inning, 0 R, 1 H, 1 BB performance, he’s got a 7.63 ERA and 1.76 WHIP. No further comments necessary.

        That’s taking the most pessimistic view I could think of for things, but, it’s all true. Some of those concerns are easy to write off, but you can’t ignore all of it. While the team is in good shape overall, its October chances aren’t as good as you’d expect for a 95-55 team.

        (For the record, I voted 8)

        • Ed

          Stupid smiley. I voted 8.

        • JobaWockeeZ

          Well if the Yankees are a 6 then I have no idea what other teams will be. Red sox should be a 3 or 4. And I doubt the Sox sould only get a 3 in terms of confidence.

        • Zack

          Verlander- last 2 starts 14.1 IP, 19 H, 10er

          Jackson- just average Post ASB, last 2 starts 12 IP, 14H, 10 er

          Washburn- sucked since trade

          Porcello- 3.2 IP 6ER in his start against NYY, just sayin

          Their Offense- sucks

          And you can do this for any team

          • Zack

            on, and Porcello is also 30 IP past his professional high, and he has 3 more starts to go, of meaningful games. so thats another 18IP, so he’ll be 50 IP over his career high- before the playoffs even start.

            And he’s only thrown 100 pitches 3 times all year, 104 is his high. Against a team like the Yankees, thats 5 IP max for the kid

  • Ari

    Don’t know if you guys have heard this yet, probably you have, but Pete Abe is jumping ship and moving to the Boston Globe to cover the Sox. Sad news. I’m saying Kaddish for the Lohud blog.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      No way…

      WE LANDED ON THE MOON!!!!!

    • pat

      Last, but certainly not least, the blogfather Pete Abraham is moving on to The Boston Globe in a few weeks. I know I’m not alone in wishing him the best. His tireless coverage will be sorely missed.

  • http://www.twitter.com/hopjake Jake H

    I’m an 8. Still the best team in baseball. It’s so shocking that the Yanks are a 95 win team and people are freaking out.

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      What’s surprising me so much about the 95 wins is that we all thought there was no way any team in this division would win 95+ games.

      • Bob Stone

        Good point. How soon we forget.

    • Ed

      What I find interesting is the extremes we’re seeing. We’ve got Makavelli’s “we can’t beat other playoff pitching staffs, we’ve doomed!”, and TSJC’s “We’re the best team in baseball. Confidence: 10 (on a bad day)” and very little in between.

      Personally, I think if Pettitte’s shoulder recovers ok, there’s enough offense to withstand any pitching issues, provided that Joba isn’t relied on much. If Pettitte’s not ok, it’s going to be a rough October.

  • Bob Stone

    I’m still at a 9 confidence level despite some of the “negative” concerns I’ve expressed here since last Friday.

    I’m still hopeful the Yankees can take 2 of 3 each from LA and Boston. If they only take i of 3 from each, they still have 3 games with KC and 3 games with Tampa Bay to help clinch the divison and best record.

    If the Yankees get swept by both LA and Boston (which I don’t think will happen) then I will be very vocal in my concern.

  • Tom Zig

    I voted 9. Hysteria just breeds more hysteria and there is no need for that shit here.

  • Mister Delaware

    I’d be a 10 if we had Jarrod Washburn.

    • Bob Stone

      +1

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Heh.

      I’m at a 10 right now… I’d be at a 9 if we had Jarrod Washburn. He inspires negative confidence.

  • Rick in Boston

    I went to a 9 from an 8. Why? CC took one off the chest and stayed in the game. Carl Pavano would have missed the next two seasons.

    But in all seriousness, I went up from a constant 8 all season because only a tragic event will keep the Yankees from the post-season. Once they’re in, it’ll be a blood bath – the Yankees will be to the AL playoffs what Swayze was in “Roadhouse”.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Once they’re in, it’ll be a blood bath – the Yankees will be to the AL playoffs what Swayze was in “Roadhouse”.

      That’s what makes Swayze special: He made a bajillion chick flicks, but we’ll always remember him for being a bad-ass in Roadhouse.

      +1, RIP

    • kimonizer

      I was going to drop down to an 8 from 9 then I realized that I was doing that solely on some irrational fears I harbor that we will be like the Mariners from 2001 or the Yank postseason teams from the last few years. Then I remember how different this team is from those teams, how we never had this self-doubting attitude before and that all that is a load of crap. I look forward to a hearty celebration at the end of the World Series because this team can beat you in just too many damn ways.

      • Zack

        ha, way to be strong man

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        I look forward to a hearty celebration at the end of the World Series because this team can beat you in just too many damn ways.

        There are six million ways to die. All but 12 of them involve Nick Swisher.

  • mryankee

    I dont think it’s unfair to be concerned about the lead in the east. The Red Sox are hot and I know its taboo to say here but there staff is really good. My question is and where I have a lack of confidence is that what was posted not liong ago. The management is unsure of how to develop Joba Chamberlain-that is a very scary comment. I would think professional baseball people should be bale to develop a pitcher properly. Seems every other organization been able to. I don’t recall any other pitcher who has been treated in this manner.

    • Zack

      who said management is unsure of how to develop Joba? just because people on the radio say that to get ratings doesnt make it true.

  • Duog

    Average rating is 20th (out of 28) after having the top 6 over the past 6 weeks.

    Apprehension has officially set in!

  • LivefromNewYork

    I’m usually an 8 but I’m down to a 6 due to concerns about the rotation. And I hope I’m wrong.

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