Open Thread: The roster, restored

Robertson out at least two weeks
Nova leads Scranton to 2-0 series lead

It always makes for a dull night when the Yankees are off, but having a day off with a nine game lead sure beats the alternative. Anyway, Matthew Pouliet at NBC Sports is running a series where he takes a look at what roster a team could field if you could only use players the club originally signed. Sorry that it’s from last weekend, we kind of pulled a LaRussa and fell asleep at the wheel on this one. Here’s the team the Yanks could field:

Rotation: Andy Pettitte, Joba Chamberlain, Phil Hughes, Chien-Ming Wang, Jose Contreras

Bullpen: Mariano Rivera, Russ Springer, Phil Coke, Tyler Clippard, Manny Acosta, David Robertson, Jeff Karstens

Lineup: SS Derek Jeter, 1B Nick Johnson, C Jorge Posada, DH Hideki Matsui, LF Alfonso Soriano, 2B Robinson Cano, RF Juan Rivera, 3B Mike Lowell, CF Melky Cabrera

Bench: INF Cristian Guzman, OF Brett Gardner, OF Marcus Thames, C Dioner Navarro

Obviously the lineup is pretty damn good, and if nothing else the pitching staff has some promise. I guess there’s no room for Brad Ausmus, though. It’s pretty amazing that most of the pitching staff is made up of guys who came through the system pretty recently. It just goes to show that you can spend all the money in the world on pitching, but you still need to develop some of your own to contend.

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Here’s your open thread for the off night. The Mets play the Fish at 7pm, but more importantly, my domination of the RAB Fantasy Football League starts tonight. The Steelers and Titans kick off the 2009 NFL Season tonight in Steeltown, so your days are numbered, tsjc. Anything goes here, just be cool.

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  • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

    That’s a damn good team.

    • J.R.

      There are alot of intl FA on that list.

      • Steve H

        And?

        • J.R.

          In some of those cases it was money that purchased the people.

          An all draft team would be alot harder to assemble for the yankees and devoid of alot of the talent.

    • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

      Damn good? That’s a 3rd place team in the AL East, at best.

      Lineup-Very Good

      Rotation-Awful. Contreras was putrid this year and Wang was even worse. The real rotation would have someone like Ivan Nova in it, since Wang ended up on the DL.

      Bullpen-After Mo, very shaky. When you ask guys to move up on the food chain in a bullpen, they’re usually worse. Most of that bullpen would be asked to do more than they would on a good team.

      • http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/07/23/alg_burnett.jpg Mike Pop

        But the Sox don’t have alot of their players, plus you have to factor in all the other teams in the entire league with just their players.

        It’s not a damn good team, but it’s a pretty good one.

        • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

          Okay fine. Pretty good.

        • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ Mike Francesa

          Gotcha, good point.

          • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

            Hey! Stop stealing my posts!

  • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime

    So apparently my blog was on Sportscenter this morning. I haven’t been able to confirm this myself, but I’m pretty stoked anyway.

  • J.R.

    Mike any thoughts of bringing back the RAb radio show? Maybe just in the offseason?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      It’s something we’re going to discuss over the winter.

      • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

        I liked the show, but one thing it was missing was the wacky callers with one-sided trade proposals.

        • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

          “Yo Francesa I’ll tell you what. The Yankees should trade Ian Kennedy and Melky for Albert Pujols.”

          • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ Mike Francesa

            Uhhh . . fer youz guyz tah get Poo-holes youz would need
            to give up da Jobber, Phil Hughes, da catcher .. uhh … what’s his name … oh yeah, Montecarlo and that Jackson kid plus give Tony LaRussa a weekend in Vegas with Jennifer Steinbrenner.

      • J.R.

        Cool, I always enjoyed listening to it. Especially in the doldrums when nothing else was going on.

      • J.R.

        That’s a very cashman quote, “We aren’t thinking about it right now, but come November…”

  • Andy In Sunny Daytona

    Steelers magic number for clinching their division is 9.

    • Dumb Jon

      So if they go 1-15 and the ravens go 8-8, the steelers clinch?

  • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

    I hate nights without baseball.

    • pat

      Yoo, nice Pontchartrain reference earlier today. I used to drive that baby almost every day when I was workin down in NOLA. Brought back some great memories.

      • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

        Haha, I just Wiki’d “long bridges.” I’ve never been farther south than North Carolina when I was like…8. I have been to Europe twice, though.

        • pat

          Oh u bastard. New Orleans>>>>>> Europe, except for Ireland and maybe Amsterdam

          • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

            Haha, sorry to disappoint you.

          • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

            Italy! Venice looks like it would be an absolutely incredible place to visit.

            • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

              It is.

              • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                Always wanted to go there.

                • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

                  Italy + Spain = awesome

                • http://tomorrowsnewsyesterday.wordpress.com/ JMK

                  Florence, Italy takes the cake.

      • GG

        I lived down there for five years for college and grad school, that bridge is ridiculous

        • pat

          Awesome, I freaking love it down there. Tulane?

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

    Can you see V-Tek retiring at the end of this year? I hate to say it, but I feel that Martinez is the better player.
    — Moss R., New Orleans

    That comes from the Ian Browne mailbag I linked to at MLBTR earlier. I laughed.

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      But the game calling!

      • GG

        I was about to write the exact same thing….but you know I woulda spelt it teh

        • Joey

          You could still write “but teh no hittahs!!!!!”

          oh wait, I just took it

    • alex gonzalez

      tek is the captain of the red sox. any offensive weakness is made up for by his leadership and ability to control pitchers. young pitchers and guys who have lost their way settle down when pitching to him. he is an amazing defensive catcher. i hate to say it but it is true.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

        Like Penny and Smoltz.

        • pat

          An amazing defensive catcher who has caught 13% of attempted base stealers.

          • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

            I hate to defend him, and I don’t subscribe to A-gon’s post but I believe he’s allowed the fewest passed balls in Baseball this year, and is at or around the top most years.

            I only bring that up because there’s more to being a good defensive catcher than throwing out base runners.

            • alex gonzalez

              pat doesnt agree i said:
              “throwing out runners isn’t everything when talking defense. you need to be able to frame pitches, settle pitchers down, and be smart about what you call.”

              he said
              “Everything you just said is complete and utter bullshit.”

            • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

              I know, but when you’re THAT bad, you can’t be too much of a defensive assett. That’s bordering historic innaccuracy.

              • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                I don’t care if he has -1 passed balls, singles are doubles or even triples with this guy. Don’t tell me his defense is helping the team.

            • Zack

              whats the most PB in the majors? 10? so is having runners move up due to a PB once every 10 games worse than having a team steal a base whenever they feel like it?

              maybe hes better at blocking balls, but his arm negates it. Posada had a torn up shoulder last year and had a better CS% than Varitek has this year.

              • pat

                Agreed. JoPo has 7 this year, and is throwing out twice as many runners.

              • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

                But they’re not all scored PB. Many of them get scored as WP and get charged to the pitcher. He ranks high in PB and his team is low in WP, IIRC. That’s valuable.

        • alex gonzalez

          injury problems. a good example is what he has done with lester. he has also been smart about making beckett a cy young candidate in the past and strikeout pitcher.

          • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

            He’s made him so good that he’s basically dropped out of the Cy Young discussion in recent weeks.

            • http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/07/23/alg_burnett.jpg Mike Pop

              You thinking Beckett, yo.

              Lester is damn good, but that’s not cause of V-Tek.

              • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                You’re right, my bad.

              • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                No wait, it’s not my bad.

                A-Gon: “he has also been smart about making beckett a cy young candidate in the past…”

                Past, maybe…but this year he’s basically out of the discussion. CC has a better shot at it.

                • alex gonzalez

                  i was talking about the 20 win year. that is why i said “past”. “past” usually refers to times that are not the “present”.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  Which is why I said “past, maybe…but”.

                  So now you’re discounting what’s happening this year? Yeah that makes sense.

                  Jorge Posada caught Cy Young Winner Roger Clemens. Guess that means he’s a brilliant game caller.

                  You mean it’s pretty much solely on the pitcher, and not the catcher? Well, my bad.

          • pat

            All of this is garbage.

          • JobaWockeeZ

            Injury problems? So what about he catchers that called their games on the Giants and Cardinals? Are they better than Varitek?

            VMart >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> V-Tek

            • Dirt

              Well, Yadi is better, so…

      • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

        He is like the worst defensive cather in the league. He’s thrown out like 12% of baserunners. Average is considered about 30%.

        And you don’t hate to say it, you’re a Sox fan. It’s kind of very obvious.

        • alex gonzalez

          throwing out runners isn’t everything when talking defense. you need to be able to frame pitches, settle pitchers down, and be smart about what you call.

          • http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/07/23/alg_burnett.jpg Mike Pop

            Why do you hate the Yankees ?

          • Steve H

            And there is ZERO evidence to back up any of those claims. ZERO.

            • alex gonzalez

              that is because you never watch red sox games. neither do i but i hear from a lot of baseball blogs of the skills that he has. they watch him on a regular basis so maybe they know more than us yankee fans.

              • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

                I watched Sox games constantly when I was at school for three years. Jason Varitek does very little differently than most ML catchers.

              • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                …Or they’re biased. Like you.

              • Steve H

                fail. I live in Massachusetts. I see TONS of Red Sox games. You and the bloggers are dead wrong. I usually watch the Yankees on mlb.tv while watching the Sox on NESN.

                • alex gonzalez

                  well know i now the secret red sox fans.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  Like you?

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  know I now sounds funny.

                • Steve H

                  Damn….you got me.

          • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

            It’s not everything, but if someone is THAT bad at it, they’re a defensive liability.

            He calls games great. Ask Penny and Smoltz; when they switched game callers all of a sudden their seasons revived and now they’re pitching well!

            Wait, that doesn’t add up. I guess we’ll have to conclude that there is no such thing as the mystical skill of game calling.

          • pat

            Everything you just said is complete and utter bullshit.

            You should write for ESPN.

            • alex gonzalez

              so all those things are not important?

              • Steve H

                If they are/were (and they really aren’t) what proves to you that Varitek is good at any of those things?

                Crickets…..

              • pat

                Umm when you’re not throwing anybody out and not even breaking a .750 OPS all these little kitschy bullcrap things the media make up to glorify him don’t mean sh*t. He’s the captain and primary game caller for a team 9 games out of first place in their own division. Gimme a break.

            • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

              Vinny Gambini: Uh… everything that guy just said is bullshit… Thank you.
              D.A. Jim Trotter: Objection. Counsel’s entire opening statement is argumentative.
              Judge Chamberlain Haller: Sustained. Counselor’s entire opening statement… with the exception of “thank you”… will be stricken from the record.

              • Steve H

                IETC.

      • http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/07/23/alg_burnett.jpg Mike Pop

        Facepalm.

      • Steve H

        Sarcasm? If not, why has Bucholz performed so well with V-Mart, and so terribly with Varitek? What about Penny and Smoltz? What about Mike Lowell just this week stating that the whole “game calling” thing is overrated?

      • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

        No. Not really.

    • Accent Shallow

      Worse commenters: MLBTR or Fangraphs? The Fangraphs kids seem to be brighter, but they make Dave Cameron look flexible and open-minded.

      • http://tomorrowsnewsyesterday.wordpress.com/ JMK

        I’d say ESPN. MLBTR is a close second.

  • countryclub

    Steelers, baby!

  • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

    Fantasy football here…should I start Braylon Edwards or Greg Jennings? Jennings is the superior player, but Braylon is playing the Vikings defense, which ranks worset in the league against the pass.

    Ideas?

    • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

      ESPN says Jennings puts me on top w/the matchup. I think I’ll trust them on this one.

    • http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/07/23/alg_burnett.jpg Mike Pop

      Jennings.

      • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

        Yeah ESPN agrees. Since I’m on the fence w/this one, I’ll take ESPN’s word for it.

        My team is sick though.

        • http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/07/23/alg_burnett.jpg Mike Pop

          Yeah, well 2 team leagues do that.

          • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

            Four!

          • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD
            • http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/07/23/alg_burnett.jpg Mike Pop
              • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                Four game league was the minimum.

                New statement: Compared to the rest of the league, my team is STILL sick.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  Yeah, the other three teams make up the rest of the league. That’s right.

                • http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/07/23/alg_burnett.jpg Mike Pop

                  Hahaha.

        • pat

          When in doubt go with the better quarterback.

        • Joey

          I’d go Jennings since I don’t trust Brady Quinn at all, at least not yet

  • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime

    Since this is an open thread–I’m doing a live chat on my blog–Mike Ashmore is joining, too. we’re starting at 8 and going till kick off if you’re interested.

    Could be fun =)

    • alex gonzalez

      sounds like fun, i will be there

    • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

      Need a link. I don’t see it on your blog or his.

  • http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/07/23/alg_burnett.jpg Mike Pop

    Man, alex gonzalez gets it bad for every comment he makes. Lol @ that.

    Every time this dude makes a comment, there’s like 5 or 6 replies within a minute.

    • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

      He brings it on himself.

    • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

      Yeah, I’ve noticed that. I hope he doesn’t get chased away, because then we all wind up in the same Church, and some diversity is a good thing. But he needs to work on his arguments a bit.

  • Steve H

    So alex gonzalez, I never got your answer from last night. In another attempt to show the uselessness of judging a pitcher based on wins and losses, please tell me which of these pitchers went 19-7, and which went 10-13, in the same league, same year.

    Pitcher #1
    ERA IP SO WHIP H/9 HR/9 BB/9 SO/9 SO/BB
    4.35 182.0 94 1.445 8.3 1.4 4.7 4.6 0.99

    Pitcher #2
    ERA IP SO WHIP H/9 HR/9 BB/9 SO/9 SO/BB
    4.36 169.1 91 1.506 9.9 1.0 3.6 4.8 1.34

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      I’m guessing pitcher #1 went 19-7. I’m just basing that on the IP though.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

        And I have absolutely no idea who they are, so I’d like to know, even if you just email me.

        • http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/07/23/alg_burnett.jpg Mike Pop

          What’s he like 45?

        • Steve H

          I’ll give A-Gone a few more minutes to answer, not that it’s anything but a guess.

    • alex gonzalez

      what decade are we talking about, then i will tell you. its a lot different if we are talking pitchers in the 80’s or 00’s.

      • Steve H

        Really, two almost identical pitching lines from the same season, and you think there would be a difference in W/L record due to the era????? Before I tell you, please tell me what difference it makes which decade this was in. Remember, they were the same year, same league.

        • alex gonzalez

          it makes a huge difference, teams were a lot different between eras in makeup.

          • Steve H

            It makes no difference as these two seasons both happened in THE SAME YEAR. Whichever one you choose will be a 100% guess, there is nothing in those statistics that can help you determine. I will tell you, not that it matters, that it was during the 1980’s.

            • Steve H

              Ok, 2 more minutes for you to search thru some 1980’s pitching statistics trying to get the answer until I post it.

              • alex gonzalez

                yeah, you are just upset because you don’t realize era importance.

                • Steve H

                  Repeat after me. This was the SAME YEAR, so the decade this happened in has no bearing. It is comparing apples to apples.

                • alex gonzalez

                  it tells me how to think about the numbers though, i need to be in the right era mindset to think about what would be good.

                • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

                  Steve, he’s got a tad bit of a point considering wins do depend on a team’s offense so the offensive level’s, which could depend on era, could be relevant.

            • alex gonzalez

              not true at all, era is extremely important in how pitchers were built and how they performed. wins are critical to a pitcher being good. i would bet that pitcher #2 was the one who won the most games, but i also bet based on the numbers that he wasn’t very good after that year.

              • Steve H

                Ok, why do you think #2 won more games? What in his statistics would give that away? Mike, in his educated guess, guessed pitcher #1 because he pitched more innings. What leads you to believe it’s pitching #2. Obviously you are just guessing, but please enlighten me if there was any analysis used, or was just a guess.

                • alex gonzalez

                  look at his strikeout per walks, then the low innings i bet are because he started to suck later on as his career went on. probably never a pitching horse. pitcher 2 let more people on base, but knew how to get them out. pitcher 1 probably just let them on and couldn’t get outs when critical. so who are they and what were there records.

                • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

                  What does his career have to do with one year?

                • alex gonzalez

                  if a guy goes 50 Ip over the course of a year, sometimes things wont look good for him in the future. just a guess, just tell me who they are. i made my prediction.

                • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

                  But we’re not talking about how he did for his career. We’re talking about how he did in one year.

                • Steve H

                  Yes, you made your “prediction” without any reasonable basis. That is fine, because there was no reasonable basis to guess who won more games, because the pitching lines were almost identical.

                  In 1989 Charlie Hough went 10-13, while Storm Davis went 19-7 despite pitching at and almost identical performance level. If Hough pitched for the 1st place A’s, and Davis pitched for the 4th place Rangers, their W/L records would have been flipped.

                • alex gonzalez

                  no, storm davis was better then charlie hough. who are these guys? bunch of nobodies? you have to be able to pitch to scores and get wins when it matters. storm davis obviously knew how to do that.

                • Steve H

                  And your theory about which pitcher pitched better and worse with runners on base? With RISP Hough held batters to a .191/.342/.229 line. Davis was .269/.344/.375.

                • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

                  What were the run support numbers?

                • Steve H

                  Storm Davis had a better record than Charlie Hough because he pitched for a dominating, WS winning team.

                  He did not pitch better than Charlie Hough.

                • alex gonzalez

                  its not all about RISP. its about when they let hits with runners in scoring position.

                • Steve H

                  Storm Davis 5.61 runs per game run support.

                  Charlie Hough 3.97 runs per game run support.

                  Ding ding ding!!!!

                • alex gonzalez

                  well i think the records speak for themselves. this was a fun game though.

                • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

                  No, they don’t. The records speak to luck and the team who had a better offense.

                • alex gonzalez

                  we will just have to agree to disagree. i know that is what you think, but it is wrong. this was still a fun time though. even without the understanding of just how important wins are to a pitcher.

                • Former RAB Lurker

                  Guys, was alex right? I don’t want to look up the records because it’s 3 AM where I am, but if he was right you might as well admit it and maybe accept that he has a point. You disagree with him, but if he proved you wrong he proved you wrong, simple as that.

                • alex gonzalez

                  they already answered that. i was indeed correct with my prediction.

              • Steve H

                Oh, and pitcher #2 wasn’t any good that year either.

    • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

      Actually wins/losses don’t mean NOTHING…if you’re really high in either one that, with exceptions is indicative of at least being above or below average. It’s also indicative, normally, of lots of innings pitched (if you have lots of wins).

      • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

        I dno’t think anyone’s saying they mean nothing, they just mean a lot less than the MSM thinks they do.

  • http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/07/23/alg_burnett.jpg Mike Pop

    Bobby Parnell is begging to go back in that pen.

    I’m a fan of Parnell though.

  • http://dinosaursneverexisted.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/melky.jpg Drew

    Are you readyy for some football!!??

    Shit I can’t believe football is already here.

    • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

      I’m not ready for the Black Eyed Peas. That just ruined football season.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

        Seriously. That just made me like basketball.

      • http://tomorrowsnewsyesterday.wordpress.com/ JMK

        So you won’t be tuning into the new season of Oprah, I take it. If it makes a difference, Jennifer Hudson will be there for an interview. Whitney Houston, too. Hell, at this rate she may get Eddy Curry, too.

        Sleep on it and get back to me.

    • http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/07/23/alg_burnett.jpg Mike Pop

      Ya, except Jason Campbell is a dead man walking ;)

      • http://dinosaursneverexisted.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/melky.jpg Drew

        A Plaxless Eli is going to get gobbled up by Haynseworth!

        • http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/07/23/alg_burnett.jpg Mike Pop

          Good.

          I hope Eli struggles. The knobjobs on him have been endless from my Giants friends. NFC East is tough though, I’m just hoping Dallas stays competitive. Right now, I expect the Eagles and Giants to make it to the playoffs from that division.

          But Dallas is close, that running game needs to click.

          Redskins? Pfft, 7-9

          • pat

            Dallas needs to have a stupendously awesome offense every game when they’re not playing the Giants. That is my unbiased opinion.

            /possibly owns witten and roy williams in a money league.

            • http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/07/23/alg_burnett.jpg Mike Pop

              Sleep on our D baby, cause we’re wide awake!

              /corny ass line

          • http://dinosaursneverexisted.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/melky.jpg Drew

            This is Campbell’s year. I’m hanging my hat on him, it’s now or never. The Skins defense alone is worth 5 wins, Skins will go 10-6.

            • http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/07/23/alg_burnett.jpg Mike Pop

              Easy big fella.

              You’re wilding.

        • pat

          O plz r u srious? G T F O

          • http://dinosaursneverexisted.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/melky.jpg Drew

            Sunday, we’ll see what happens.

            • http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/07/23/alg_burnett.jpg Mike Pop

              Make a bet! Make a bet!

              If Skins win, pat gets a Skins tattoo.

              If Giants win, Drew gets a Giants tattoo.

              • http://dinosaursneverexisted.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/melky.jpg Drew

                A full sleeve tattoo!!

                Seriously though, Eli will get knocked around. He may cry.

                • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

                  Nt rly.

                • pat

                  if the Giants win you have to post under aname of my choosing, if the skins win I’ll post under a name of your choosing.

                • pat

                  for a week.

                • http://dinosaursneverexisted.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/melky.jpg Drew

                  Sounds like a fair deal.

                  I’m in.

                • http://dinosaursneverexisted.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/melky.jpg Drew

                  You do have HFA, any concession for that?

                • pat

                  HFA?

                • http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/07/23/alg_burnett.jpg Mike Pop

                  Home field advantage.

                  Dumbass!

                • http://dinosaursneverexisted.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/melky.jpg Drew

                  home field adv

                • pat

                  Ohh right, you kids with your acronyms and such. What kind of concession do you want? How about I won’t make your new handle something you’ll get banned for?

  • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

    Someone just called Nadal a “grinder”. That really has been ESPN’s buzzword this whole calender year.

  • Steve H

    Another great knocking of W/L as a good indicator of how well someone is pitching. Anthony Young went 1-16 with a 107 ERA+. For his career, his ERA+ was 100, yet he was 15-48.

    • JobaWockeeZ

      1-16? He sucks. If you are good then you’re offense will be good so you’ll be a good pitcher. ERA is too complicated. Wins and losses are the only things that matter when evaluating a pitcher’s success.

    • Accent Shallow

      I dunno, as a reliever in 1993, he allowed the following line: .291/.379/.392, compared to a league average of: .264/.327/.399. So he was walked and singled to death, rather than being a home run dispenser. That’s not particularly stellar.

      (Of course, that doesn’t mean he deserved to lose 16 games. That’s the Mets’ fault for deploying him as they did. He only had one really good appearance over that become a loss, an 8 inning complete game where he allowed 3 hits and 2 runs. The Mets were shut out)

      • Steve H

        Yes he was bad. But while looking his triple slash line may be a great indicator for future performance, but in looking a single year, his era was better than league average and he was 1-16. So even if singled to death, he wasn’t giving up runs at a high pace. Even his FIP was a respectable 4.07.

  • Dela G

    Hey you guys, help a brotha out. I am about to take a girl to the movies tonight, but i don’t know what’s good. The only thing i will say no to is final destination.

    thanks

    • JobaWockeeZ

      Inglorious basterds?

      • http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/07/23/alg_burnett.jpg Mike Pop

        ‘9’ was interesting.

    • http://dinosaursneverexisted.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/melky.jpg Drew

      Extract looked like it might be funny.

    • Joey

      Extract? Been wanting to see it, haven’t heard anything about it though

      • Rick in Boston

        It was meh…Office Space >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Extract

    • pat

      Gotta see a funny movie. Girls get all riled up after a good laugh. Watching Nazi’s get beaten with baseball bats and scalped will probably not put her in the mood. If it does immediately give her my name and number and step the hell outta the way cuz she’s a freak and outta yer league homeboy.

      • http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/07/23/alg_burnett.jpg Mike Pop

        Never cease to amaze me.

      • Dela G

        hahaha pat you are a funny man,… funny movie it is.

        • pat

          It’s so very true.. Marilyn Monroe said it best..”If you can make a girl laugh you can make her to do anything”

          • Dela G

            hmm good motto

          • Steve H

            pat, you better be Eddie Murphy in the Raw/Delirious era to get women to do the things you’d like them to do.

            • pat

              Hahahaha, nice.

              And true.

    • http://tomorrowsnewsyesterday.wordpress.com/ JMK

      Make it a home movie, Dela. I think you know what I mean.

      • Dela G

        haha i would, but my roommate is using the big tv tonight for he and his woman

  • http://www.myspace.com/bayside Thirty5Thirty6

    Get off the stage.

  • http://dinosaursneverexisted.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/melky.jpg Drew

    Okay, now that shitty music hour is over, time for some football.

    Nothing gets me more pumped than black eyed peas and country music!!!

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

    I never realize how much I miss football until I watch a meaningful game. Same thing with every sport, year after year.

  • http://dinosaursneverexisted.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/melky.jpg Drew

    Did you guys like Madden? I loved him, I thought it should be a rule that he was in the superbowl booth.

    Obviously he lost a couple ticks off the ol’ fastball as he got older, but I could always listen to him. BOOM!

    • http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/07/23/alg_burnett.jpg Mike Pop

      He was better than Colinsworth. That’s not saying much though.

  • pat

    Harry Connick Jr. pride of Nawlins!

  • VO

    Hey guys, first time playing fantasy football. I should also put in that I didn’t know I could only spend up to 200 points in the draft. I just finished picking up some players rated high on SI’s list (Although for the most part their own% on ESPN is very low), how bad is it?

    QB Drew Brees
    RB Michael Turner
    RB Clinton Portis
    RB/WR Leon Washington
    WR Lary Fitzgerald
    WR Nate Washington
    TE Kevin Boss
    D/ST Dolphins
    K Lawrence Tynes

    Bench
    QB Trent Edwards
    RB TJ Duckett
    RB Justin Fargas
    WR Mushin Muhammad
    WR Michael Crabtree
    TE Anthony Fasano
    D/ST Chargers

    • http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/07/23/alg_burnett.jpg Mike Pop

      how bad is it?

      You know how the Yanks season is going? Picture the exact opposite of that.

      • VO

        Then according to Lanny and Alex Gonzalez I have a damn good team.

        • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

          TCWA

          • VO

            Meaning?

            • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

              This Comment Was Awesome.

              • http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/07/23/alg_burnett.jpg Mike Pop

                Who started this one?

    • pat

      Brees Turner and Fitz are a very solid core. Pretty good team yo.

      • Joey

        Agreed, not as much depth as Bahston, bench is pretty shallow, but starters are pretty solid.

    • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime

      Dude, you have Washington. I agree with Mike Pop.

      • VO

        Nate washington? If yes then I want to get rid of him or bench him at least but he is locked right now.

    • VO

      Anyone on the bench that should be starting?

      • pat

        Your bench is pretty bad but I would definitely start SD over Miami. Sd is playin OAk, Miami is playing Atlanta.

        • VO

          I was just going to make that change actually is it worth it picking up a different defense besides Miami? Maybe the Cowboys?

          • pat

            Depends on whats available. I usually wait a few weeks to see which DEF are legit before making any waiver moves.

            • http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/07/23/alg_burnett.jpg Mike Pop

              Also, pat has never once won or even placed in the top 4 in any of his fantasy leagues.

              • pat

                WHAT IS THIS??? PIZZA POUNDCAKE?

  • http://dinosaursneverexisted.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/melky.jpg Drew

    Conick jr ftw. That was a good one.

    • Dela G

      agreed

      great job

  • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime

    Got some great stuff from Ashmore in my chat tonight. Check it out if you’re interested. Don’t if you’re not.

    • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

      I saw it, but who was the rude jerk that asked THIS question?

      “8:27 [Comment From Bulldog]
      Mike, you said at the AA level, the main thing teams look for are tools. I have Hammer toes, Wrenched hands and my wife’s a Hoe. Do I have a shot with these tools?

      8:28 [Mike Ashmore]: I…ummm…would suggest a Home Depot gift card for more tools. “

      • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime

        I wonder…

        • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

          Uh-oh. She’s mad at me.

          Where do I send the box of chocolates?

  • pat

    O god, back to the stress of rooting for specific players during games I don’t care about.

    • http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/07/23/alg_burnett.jpg Mike Pop

      I know that feeling.

  • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

    Biggest response today over at TYU today was the Wang question.

    Do you bring him back? Easy answer is ‘Yes’ but it would be a minor league deal and he possibly could get a MLB deal elsewhere. Yanks would have a much easier time cutting him loose if he’s signed to a minor league deal, he might not even break camp with the team.

    But the bigger question is where does he pitch? Here’s next year’s rotation:
    CC
    AJ
    Pettitte
    Joba
    Hughes

    I think the Yanks bring Andy back coming off this season. For 6th starter types, you have Aceves, IPK, maybe Mitre and Z-Mac as well. Do we really even need him? If you think he’s healthy, then yes. His upside is terrific. But I don’t think we’ll know one way or the other till the middle of next year.

    • http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/07/23/alg_burnett.jpg Mike Pop

      Do we really even need him?

      Yeah. Depth is never a bad problem, I think you have to give him one more year. You also have Gaudin, but Wang is better than all those 6th starter types you listed. Also, with innings limit on Hughes, a possible Burnett or other SP injury. I bring him back if I’m Cash. But obviously, going about it is the hard part. Just try to work something out with him.

      • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

        This.

      • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

        OK, I’ll make it a little harder then. Has to be a MLB deal (he has another offer) so you kill a roster spot for him, which means you will lose someone in the Rule 5 draft.

        • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

          Well, he’s still on the 40 man right now, isn’t he?

          • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

            Right, but the Rule 5 draft already happened months ago.

          • Charlie

            he’s on the 60 day DL though so he’s not taking up a spot now

            • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

              Oh, true.

            • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

              Right, but there’s no DL in the offseason.

          • Steve H

            He’s on because of the outlook coming into 2009. Had this happened last year, would he be on now? I think it really comes down to who you are risking losing in the Rule V draft. And while we’re at it, the list of good players lost in the Rule V draft is pretty small.

            • http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/07/23/alg_burnett.jpg Mike Pop

              Or, do you let Wang go and pick up an Erik Bedard, Rich Harden, Brandon Webb maybe, or a John Smoltz!!!

              • Steve H

                Pop Fail.

                How can you leave out Penny and Byrd??

                • http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/07/23/alg_burnett.jpg Mike Pop

                  Only if the Yanks could pick up V-tek with one of them as a package deal. He knows how to work with guys who have seem to lost it.

            • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

              I know, and we even got a few back in recent years. I’m just throwing it out there as a consideration.

              I think they’ll bring him back, unless his medicals are worse than we know. This is, after all, his THIRD SHOULDER operation.

              • Steve H

                He needs to rally the doctors to do a better job performing his surgeries so he can go 19-6 again.

              • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

                Third injury, second surgery.

                • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

                  Right, they rehabbed him in 05.

        • Chris

          I’d bring him back. I can see a 1+1 type deal with a fairly large buyout… something like $3M+6M with a $2M buyout. I don’t see any value in a straight 1 year deal.

          They’ll have enough free spots this offseason that it’s not too big a deal. Molina, Hinske, Hairston, Matsui, Damon, and Towers are definites, plus they can cut Claggett, Garcia, Miranda, and Duncan. I can’t see them needing to protect 10 players from the Rule 5 draft.

          • Accent Shallow

            Sure, but Montero’s so awesome they may want to protect him multiple times, just to make sure.

            (And not all of the guys you listed will leave as FAs or be cut, so there’s that.)

            • Chris

              Who won’t leave? All of the first set are FAs, so even if they agree to deals before the Rule 5 draft, the deals won’t be signed until after (so that’s 6 spots). I would rather have a (potentially) wasted roster spot than any of the other 4 guys.

      • Accent Shallow

        Agree with this. If Wang can get back to what he was, he’s the second best starter in the rotation. If he can’t, he could still possibly be a solid back-end option, or in the pen.

        And while the 2010 rotation looks pretty solid even without him, it’s the old adage: “You can never have too much pitching.”

        • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

          “If Wang can get back to what he was”

          That’s a big if, and we really won’t know until he gets back on a mound, which is mid next year.

          Considering the timing of it, is there really any rush? Is anyone going to sign him before next year, knowing he won’t be ready till July? You would think teams will take the Freddy Gardcia/Ben Sheets approach, and wait to see him back on a mound.

          • Accent Shallow

            True, I’d just rather him have his rehab work under the Yankees umbrella, where they can control what he’s doing, rather than Wang just doing his thing.

      • JobaWockeeZ

        Right. I know we all don’t want a Mitreish guy pitching due to injuries and/or wasting resources so I’d like as much pitchers that can pitch effectively as possible.

        Not saying Wang is automatically coming back to form but he has a chance. And if he becomes ownage Wang then that would be helpful.

        or Mo forbid they stick him in the bullpen…

  • Charlie

    fuck roy oswalt. i can’t believe i had him in my lineup today for fantasy. how the hell can you even give up that many hites?

    • Charlie

      *hits

  • http://www.myspace.com/bayside Thirty5Thirty6

    alez gonzalez here is one for you.

    W L W-L% ERA G GS CG SHO IP H R ER HR BB IBB SO

    12 11 .522 3.22 28 28 6 2 192.2 182 83 69 17 44 3 172

    19 6 .760 3.63 34 33 2 1 218.0 233 92 88 12 52 4 76

    Which pitcher would you rather have?

    • alex gonzalez

      are they the same year? if so, for that year the guy who won 19 games. long term though i bet the guy who won 12 games will improve. i like the strikeouts that he has. much more dominate where he may turn into a better game winner than pitcher 2.

      • Steve H

        You almost get it, and then you don’t. The guy who won 12 games was better that year, he’s no more likely to improve his pitching performance than anyone else , but his win total likely will improve. His performance could be exactly identical the next year and he could go 19-6. That doesn’t mean he pitched any better, simply had more luck, better team around him, more run support, better bullpen, etc.

      • http://www.myspace.com/bayside Thirty5Thirty6

        Same year.

        Don’t you see how arbitrary wins and loses are? You would choose the guy with more wins, Pitcher 2, even though his stats are worse. If you put Pitcher 1 on the same team, odds are that he puts up a better win/loss record than Pitcher 2.

        Pitcher 1 by the way had a 140 ERA+, Pitcher 1, 126 ERA+.

        • alex gonzalez

          who are they? wins are not arbitrary, they have a lot to do with how the pitchers pitch in certain situations. you gotta pitch to scores and know how to rally your team behind you.

          • Zack

            you cant be serious

            • alex gonzalez

              i am very serious.

              • http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/07/23/alg_burnett.jpg Mike Pop

                No, you definitely aren’t.

                You’re just a troll. You come around at 7 o clock for game/open threads because that’s when you can talk bout w/e and just annoy ppl.

                • Zack

                  we all need to shun him, no replies to his posts

                • alex gonzalez

                  not true im on here throughout the day. i dont troll. i am just passionate about my beliefs of the game.

          • JobaWockeeZ

            So what if your bullpen or offense fucks it up for you? Is that the pitcher’s fault for not going for the perfect game?

            • Steve H

              Yes, he should have done a better job of rallying his bullpen to pitch better. And done a better job of rallying his GM to put a better team around him. And rallyed his manager to manage a better game.

              • Dirt

                Maybe he should get a rally monkey

          • Steve H

            “rally your team behind you”

            So did the 12-11 pitcher become a better rallyer when his record improved to 19-7 the next year?

            Seriously, that’s your argument?!?!?!

            • alex gonzalez

              some years pitchers now how to win, others that don’t make the right moves. a lot also has to with the catcher. a good defensive catcher can often help a pitcher to be better. the only thing i see different between two pitchers with similar stats is wins. the guy who gets more wins was more valuable to his team. forget about what all there fancy stats look like. at the end of the day it is about taking the ball and getting wins. even if that means you gotta get your offense a spark. you pitch well they do well, you pitch bad they pick up. it is all about chemistry.

              • Steve H

                So CC knew how to win as a 20 year old rookie but not as a 5 year veteran?

                • http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/07/23/alg_burnett.jpg Mike Pop

                  I dunno why you keep going with this guy.

                  He won’t admit he’s wrong.

                • alex gonzalez

                  he knew how to win that year with that chemistry. then he clearly didn’t do as well pitching to scores and keeping runners from scoring. that is why the later season he didn’t get as many wins. it goes beyond age. some seasons a pitcher knows how to maintain leads and get his offense behind him, other years he just isn’t a winner. the fewer wins in a year the worse you are. that is why i believe cy young awards should be completely based on wins. that is the most value to teams. who cares about strikeouts or innings. just go out there and avoid a loss and get a wins.

                • alex gonzalez

                  i will admit i am wrong. only if that is true.

                • Steve H

                  Ok. I give up. No mas.

                • http://www.myspace.com/bayside Thirty5Thirty6

                  It’s not about chemistry though. His team scored more runs. That isn’t due to chemistry.

                • http://www.myspace.com/bayside Thirty5Thirty6
                • http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/07/23/alg_burnett.jpg Mike Pop

                  i will admit i am wrong. only if that is true.

                  My man, you’re wrong. You’re saying a pitcher needs to will his team to win. This is just batshit insane. Jake Peavy on the Padres could of tried as hard to motivate or ‘willed’ his team to win as motherfuckin’ Vincente Padilla on the Rangers. Do they have magic powers? Is Chase Headley going to hit that Lincecum breaking ball for a hr @ Petco just as easily as Ian Kinsler would off Sean Gallagher on the A’s?

                  This shit is just batshit insane.

                  Peavy: Hey Chase, hit that home run for me team player. I’d love ya for it. I know Lincecum has struck you out twice on 6 pitches but I know if I say this, it might help you hit that 2-run homer I need.

              • For lack of a more creative name… Alex

                So Scott Feldman with his 16 wins> over Tim Lincecum with his 13 wins?

              • http://www.myspace.com/bayside Thirty5Thirty6

                Batshit Insane™

              • JobaWockeeZ

                Wow. I give up after this.
                How the hell do pitchers not know how to fucking win IF THE OFFENSE IS A HUGE PART WHETHER THE PITCHERS GETS A WIN OR NOT.

                These stats aren’t fancy at all. All you need is ERA for a crude deduction!

                As far as I know the catcher and the defense are not apart of pitching. The pitcher CANNOT control the defense or the offense. Even in the NL pitchers sucks at hitting.

                And I don’t know how chemistry links to this because chemistry is the most overrated thing that is not Jason Varitek. If a team wins a lot then the chemistry will be good.

                Wins do not define how talented a pitcher is. The pitcher is supposed to pitch not to rally his whole team so they can give him the win.

                • JobaWockeeZ

                  As far as I know the catcher and the defense are not apart of pitching.

                  And when I mean the catcher isn’t apart of pitching I mean he isn’t the one throwing the pitches.

        • http://www.myspace.com/bayside Thirty5Thirty6

          Also, FWIW, Pitcher 1’s team did not make the playoffs that year. However, the next year, his team won the division.

          W L W-L% ERA G GS CG SHO IP H R ER HR BB IBB SO
          19 7 .731 3.21 34 34 4 1 241.0 238 94 86 20 37 1 209

          Oh, and his ERA+ was 143.

    • For lack of a more creative name… Alex

      19-6 is Wang of ’06 rite?

      • Steve H

        I know who the 12-11 guy is too. Excellent job Thirty5Thirty6.

      • http://www.myspace.com/bayside Thirty5Thirty6

        Correct.

        Pitcher 1 is CC Sabathia: 2006.

        Pitcher 2 is Chien-Ming Wang: 2006.

        • Steve H

          And CC in 2001 went 17-5 with a 102 ERA+. So was that better than his 12-11 140 ERA+ year. Hmm, let me check CC’s run support.

          2001-5.30
          2006-4.20

          He should have rallied his team better in 2006 the way he did in 2001.

  • http://www.myspace.com/bayside Thirty5Thirty6

    Yep. Classic Ben.

  • http://dinosaursneverexisted.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/melky.jpg Drew

    damn polamalu is good.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

    Troy Polamalu is out of his mind.

    • pat

      yeah that was pretty dirty.

      • Steve H

        oh the irony. pat calling someone else dirty.

        • pat

          He started it.

  • http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/07/23/alg_burnett.jpg Mike Pop

    Januz is probably getting pissed right about now.

  • Mike bk

    scranton up 4-1 in the 9th. nova with an excellent outing.

    • Mike bk

      whelan finished off the sweep.

  • Accent Shallow

    Did any of you guys see this Was Watching post?

    http://waswatching.com/2009/09.....-in-draft/

    I don’t necessarily agree with Steve’s conclusions (that Cashman is a dope who should be fired), or Manuel’s initial comment that sparked the post, but the Yankees have spent a lot of money for very little return on those guys (up to this point. Any one of them could make Manuel look like he jumped the gun in 2010). As to whether that speaks to poor scouting/drafting, I suppose we’d have to look at the rates for the rest of the league. Still, ugly for the time being, no?

    • pat

      the Yankees have spent a lot of money for very little return on those guys (up to this point.Any one of them could make Manuel look like he jumped the gun in 2010

      He’s writing off kids that are in their early twenties. Sounds pretty stupid to me.

    • http://tomorrowsnewsyesterday.wordpress.com/ JMK

      I agree with what Pat said. Brackman fell to us because of medical and signability issues. I know people have pretty heated feelings toward Brackman but this is his first real year pitching full-time, and he’s healthy. That itself is an accomplishment and his potential is immense, even if his probability is small. It’s worth it, in my opinion. Let’s see what he does next year and the year after that and then make a determination (even though that may still be a bit early).

      As for some of the others, Angelini has been a huge disappointment thus far, no question. Still, he’s young. It’s not over yet (though next year might be his last). Betances has pitched well in the minors, overall, but he’s often injured. IPK cruised through the minors, and had a slip-up in the majors–tons of pitchers do that but doesn’t mean it’s a terrible pick or investment. And then he had a freakin’ aneurysm! No way to predict that. As for Suttle, it would be nice if he were healthy every now and then, but THIS HAPPENS TO ALL TEAMS. It’s a crap shoot; there are no crystal balls.

      Dumb article.

  • http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/07/23/alg_burnett.jpg Mike Pop

    Anyone notice how noMaas just skipped right over A.J.’s start. Funny thing.

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      Shocking.

    • Accent Shallow

      I like the site. It’s the message board that makes me cringe.

      • http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/07/23/alg_burnett.jpg Mike Pop

        I love the site, just don’t like how they skip over every good start of A.J.’s and as soon as he has a bad one… they have a post up 10 minutes after the game.

        • Steve H

          They do it just to irk you. Every Yankee blog in the universe knows about your mancrush on AJ (not that there’s anything wrong with that).

          • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

            Do they know of our love for Swisher?

            • Steve H

              They do. But how can you possibly write anything bad about Swish?

              • Jack

                Fun fact: If you could actually look at the underside of China, you would see the words “Made by Nick Swisher” etched in.

                • http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/07/23/alg_burnett.jpg Mike Pop

                  Awesome.

                • Jack

                  Nick Swisher can believe it’s not butter.

              • http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/07/23/alg_burnett.jpg Mike Pop

                Pffft. He hits .240 and he K’s all the time!

                Nic K Swisher.

  • Steve H

    Here’s a good one. Randy Johnson once had a 4 game stretch with the following line:

    32 innings. 54 strikeouts. 1.41 ERA. 0.90 WHIP. .517 OPS against. 3 complete games.

    Would this be considered good pitching or bad pitching?

    • alex gonzalez

      if he got wins, yes. if he lost those games, no. it is all about getting wins. that is the only thing that matters.

      • http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/07/23/alg_burnett.jpg Mike Pop

        Aww, he’s just fucking with us now.

        Lol

      • For lack of a more creative name… Alex

        facepalm.

      • JobaWockeeZ

        WTF. How does any rational baseball fan consider that bad pitching. Oh wait..

        HE DUN GET TEH WINS HE R MSUT BE TEH R BADZZZZZ HE ARE TEH S0X0R OMG NO WINS HE SUCKS LOLOLOLOLOL

        • For lack of a more creative name… Alex

          keywords; “rational baseball fan”

      • Steve H

        You are 100% correct. Randy Johnson, in able to win those games should have given up negative runs so that they could have won. Just because your team doesn’t score a single run in 4 starts doesn’t mean you shouldn’t win.

        • alex gonzalez

          not negative runs, just fewer than the opponent.

          • Steve H

            Well if the opponent gives up zero runs, the only numbers fewer than zero are negative.

            • alex gonzalez

              you just keeping pitching until your offense scores. a pitcher who goes 6 IP and allows 6 runs and wins did a better job than a pitcher who goes 9 IP and allows 1 runs for the loss.

              • Zack

                what if you go 9 IP 1R 0ER and your offense scores 0, therefore you get the L without giving up an ER?

                • alex gonzalez

                  that is more on the defense. but you have to buckle down with men on base. therefore you get the loss you were the worse pitcher. everything is about wins and losses.

                • Zack

                  what if you get 2 pop ups and your 3B drops them?

                • For lack of a more creative name… Alex

                  Or what if a flyball hits off Jose Canseco’s head and bounces into the stands with 2 outs in the 9th of a 0-0 game with no one on base?

                • Steve H

                  “If a flyball hits off Jose Canseco’s head and bounces into the stands with 2 outs in the 9th of a 0-0 game with no one on base?”

                  It’s obvious the pitcher should have done a better job of rallying Jose Canseco around him to help win the game, offensively and defensively.

              • For lack of a more creative name… Alex

                ??????????????????????????????????????????????????

              • http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/07/23/alg_burnett.jpg Mike Pop

                NO. THIS IS WHERE YOU ARE COMPLETELY WRONG. THE OFFENSE DID A BETTER JOB FOR THE PITCHER WHO GAVE UP 6 IN 6. THE OFFENSE SUCKED FOR THE GUY WHO WENT 9 AND 1.

                That is that, you’re wrong.

              • Steve H
              • For lack of a more creative name… Alex

                What if a pitcher goes 5 innings giving up 8 runs and leaves the game with a 7 run deficit. Then, his team scores 8 the next half inning so he gets the win. Is that good pitching????

          • For lack of a more creative name… Alex

            So does that mean that both A.J. Burnett and Josh Beckett did bad in that 15 inning game?

            • JobaWockeeZ

              Hey get your own material! <__<

              • For lack of a more creative name… Alex

                Haha, perfect timing huh? Alex Gonzalez will probably not respond to either of us though.

                • alex gonzalez

                  i did respond though.

                • For lack of a more creative name… Alex

                  Yea you did. Guess I was wrong, but still, How can you possibly say they failed in that game?

            • chriskeo

              A.J.’s team ultimately won the game, so i guess he had the better start with this logic?

          • JobaWockeeZ

            Pitchers duel to extra innings. Score tied 0-0. It went to extra innings. Both team’s had to rely on their bullpen. One bullpen fucked up and lost the game 1-0 to a walk off home run.

            Neither starting pitcher got the win. So AJ Burnett and Josh Beckett are bad pitchers huh?

            • chriskeo

              not that it matters all that much but i believe it was a 2-run home run and the final score was 2-0

              • JobaWockeeZ

                Oh right my bad.

            • alex gonzalez

              no they were pretty much equally good. that loss was on the bullpen. so that pitcher was the worst on the night.

              • JobaWockeeZ

                But neither starting pitcher got the win which is their job so they failed.

                • alex gonzalez

                  they did fail. but they failed at the same level. that is why i said they were equally good.

                • JobaWockeeZ

                  So even posting 0’s on the other team they are still failures?

                  Ok.

                • Steve H

                  Yes. Giving up 0 runs is failing if your opponent also gives up runs. So, right now, they should be in the 3675th inning of that game, still tied 0-0, Beckett vs. Burnett, and until one of them gives up a run, they are both failing.

      • http://www.myspace.com/bayside Thirty5Thirty6
      • Sweet Dick Willie

        I’ve got it! You’re really Joe Morgan, right?

        • For lack of a more creative name… Alex

          TCWA.

  • Accent Shallow

    RAB Accountings Department:

    I apparently owe the Big Three of this site a drink. Whoops.

    http://riveraveblues.com/2008/.....nues-5321/

    (Of course, if Zambrano makes someone’s playoff roster and pulls a Jeff Suppan, all bets are off!)

    • alex gonzalez

      what an insane prediction.

      • Accent Shallow

        No shit. However, on the one in a billion chance that it came true, I look like a sage.

        /clearly facetious

        • alex gonzalez

          one in a billion? probably more unlikely. im pretty sure its more likely the sun explodes in the next couple of minutes.

          • Steve H

            The odds of Zambrano outpitching Kazmir are actually better than finding someone who knows anything, and I mean anything about baseball thinking the below pitching line is bad.

            32 innings. 54 strikeouts. 1.41 ERA. 0.90 WHIP. .517 OPS against. 3 complete games.

        • http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/07/23/alg_burnett.jpg Mike Pop

          I can’t find where the predictions thread is. But, I predicted Mauer for MVP. Boo-ya!!!

          /Leaves out all the predictions got wrong. Like A’s for the West I believe.

          • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

            I predicted a lot of stuff and not a lot of it is coming true.

          • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD
            • alex gonzalez

              AL MVP: Jason Giambi

              how is he doing? that wasn’t your prediction by the way.

              • Steve H

                How’s Giambi doing? Well that doesn’t matter. Since wins are the only thing that matters, and the pitcher is 100% responsible for winning, who care what offensive players do.

                • alex gonzalez

                  yeah because that relates to what i posted in response. wow, don’t need to be so aggresive.

                • http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/07/23/alg_burnett.jpg Mike Pop

                  Ietc.

            • http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/07/23/alg_burnett.jpg Mike Pop

              Lol.

              I only got the Yanks winning their division and Mauer presumably winning MVP. The whole NL? Wrong.

              I was more or less trying to look like a wizard too.

              • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

                Dude I predicted THE A’S to win the West. WTF?!

                • Steve H

                  Are you on drugs?
                  -Drugs? No, I don’t take drugs.
                  I don’t like your attitude.
                  -What else is new…
                  I’m holding you in contempt of court.
                  -Oh, there’s a fuckin’ surprise.
                  What did ya say?
                  -What?
                  What did you say??
                  -What did I say, what?

                • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

                  Haha, love it.

                • http://dinosaursneverexisted.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/melky.jpg Drew
    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Even Lanny called you out.

  • http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/07/23/alg_burnett.jpg Mike Pop

    A blocked FG! WOw!

  • Colin

    Ted Lilly over Contreras all the way.

  • http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/07/23/alg_burnett.jpg Mike Pop

    Jennifer Aniston is a dime piece.

    • Steve H

      I get killed for this but…..

      Jennifer Aniston >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Angelina Jolie.

      • JobaWockeeZ

        Get out and take your blasphemy with you.

      • Zack

        I agree.

      • http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/07/23/alg_burnett.jpg Mike Pop

        I’m with ya Stevey H.

      • pat

        I hear you. Some like that dark scary sexy thing Angie rocks. I prefer the nice, pretty, all american look.

        • Steve H

          I was really appreciating the agreement, then you had to agree with me. Now I don’t know what to think.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Don’t worry. It’s clearly a lie to try and throw us off his scent.

            Pat prefers “the nice, pretty, all american look”?

            HAH! Clearly bullshit. Pat likes ‘em grimey and we know it, the sick fucko.

            • Steve H

              Thanks. I am appalled at myself for glossing over the “the nice, pretty, all american look” comment. $100 says pat was giggling as he typed that bs.

              • pat

                I hate you all.

      • http://tomorrowsnewsyesterday.wordpress.com/ JMK

        Eh, they both have sharp knees. WOULD NOT HIT.

  • Zack

    hey someone finally scored.

  • http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/07/23/alg_burnett.jpg Mike Pop

    Oh how I wish Corteland took that back.

  • http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/07/23/alg_burnett.jpg Mike Pop

    Madden 10 strikes !

    Polamalu was sidelined.

  • alex gonzalez

    how many wins do the yankees finish with? I am going with 103.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      If we finish with 103 wins, that means that the other 59 times our pitcher sucked balls, because we didn’t win. And those losses are totally and squarely on the pitcher.

      Wins and losses are the only things that are important.

      • alex gonzalez

        so you are someone who agrees with me?

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          No. I’m not laughing with you, I’m laughing at you.

        • Jack

          Your inability to recognize sarcasm never ceases to amaze me.

          • Steve H

            Your inability to recognize sarcasm never ceases to amaze me.

            Fixed.

  • Chris

    Here’s a pitcher:

    3 games, 26IP, 0.35 ERA, 16H, 1 Win, 2 Losses

    I think that’s a pretty good 3 game stretch, even with the two loses.

    • For lack of a more creative name… Alex

      One would think that anyone who knows anything about baseball agrees with you but..
      “a pitcher who goes 6 IP and allows 6 runs and wins did a better job than a pitcher who goes 9 IP and allows 1 runs for the loss.” -according to Alex Gonzalez

    • alex gonzalez

      once again, it is all about winning. you gotta get wins that is what it is all about. that looks old, what is that from the 1930’s.

      • http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/07/23/alg_burnett.jpg Mike Pop

        What if a guy has a 1.30 ERA for the entire season and has a 5-8 record?

        200 innings but he never got decisions, but the team won in the 10 of his 13 no decisions. Is that a good season?

        • alex gonzalez

          who did that?

          • http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/07/23/alg_burnett.jpg Mike Pop

            You tell me.

            • alex gonzalez

              how would i know who did that? no modern pitcher has ever had that low of an ERA since the mound was lowered.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                ERA, K/9, WHIP, none of that shit matters.

                Only two things in this life count: Wins and what era you played in. That’s it.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              This thread is so fucking hilarious.

          • Steve H

            Why would it matter who did it? If it happened, is it a good season. Simple yes or no question.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              Here’s why it matters who did it:

              alex gonzalez is incapable of conceiving of the theoretical. Wins and losses are tangible and understandable. Theoretical seasons designed to test a hypothetical argument, like the argument of “Wins and Losses are the only things that matter”, well, those hypothetical seasons could potentially undermine that ridiculously stupid hypothetical argument.

              We can’t venture too far from the realm of the shit I believe in, because I might be proven to be an idiot. So I’m going to need to verify the realness of the datasets you give to me, mmmmmkay?

              • alex gonzalez

                i believe in teams getting wins. if a pitcher gets a win that means a team walks away with a win. if the pitcher loses that means the team loses. i dont think that wins are the only things that matter for a pitcher. i am just saying it shows who is a good pitcher. all i want are team wins. if that means pitchers getting the wins then they are doing there jobs. the offense still matters. there are three parts to baseball. offense defense and pitching. for all these things to be in synch is what matters. i just know that pitching wins show that a team won, and that is what i like. team wins is what counts.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  There are clearly many things you believe. You have listed several of them on this board over the past few days.

                  All of them have been easily the dumbest things a person could possibly believe in. Your complete and total adherence to shockingly stupid positions is appaling. Nobody, and I mean nobody on the history of this board has ever entered with such a massive and total flourish of ineptitude better than you have, and that’s saying a lot.

                  You quite literally have no clue at all what you are talking about. None. You could roll Ben Kabak, Johnnie Cochran, Alan Dershowitz, William Jennings Bryan, Socrates, and Jesus all into one, and that mythical super-advocate would not be able to defend your position. He’d tell you to throw yourself on the mercy of the court.

                • Tom Zig

                  What if a guy goes 20-0 and has an 8.00 ERA and never makes it out of the 5th inning, ever, and has a 5.00 WHIP…

                  Is he good at pitching?

                • Tom Zig

                  Correction: Never goes more than 5 innings, ever

                • alex gonzalez

                  im still waiting to know who pitched with that low of an era

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  im still waiting to know who pitched with that low of an era

                  IT DOESN’T MATTER. It’s a philosophical question. It requires you to defend your theory in the abstract by using your philosophical imagination. Who did it or when it happened or if it even happened at all is immaterial.

                • alex gonzalez

                  so they don’t even exist? i dont understand the point then. find me someone that does exist.

                • Steve H

                  In 1992, Jim Abbot had a 2.77 ERA the fifth lowest among AL qualifiers that year, but he went 7-15 that year due to the 2.5 runs of run support he recieved while pitching.

                  In 2008, Jake Peavy, had a 2.85 ERA, good for sixth best in the majors but a sub .500 winning percentage, with a 10-11 record, because his run support of 3.5 runs per game was sixth-worst in the Majors.

                  In 2004, Shawn Estes had a 5.84 ERA and went 15-8 just because his offense produced 5.6 runs per game.

                  A pitchers win-loss record shouldn’t be used to justify that one pitcher is better than another, due to the variables that go into a win or a loss.

                  http://bleacherreport.com/arti.....misleading

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  find me someone that does exist.

                  No.

                  The idea, YOUR IDEA, that “Wins and Losses should be the only thing that really counts when evaluating whether or not a pitcher has done his job” is not a real thing that exists, it’s an abstract idea.

                  You should be able to defend that abstract idea by testing it with similarly abstract premises. You shouldn’t need real-world examples, even though dozens of such examples have been offered to you in this thread, to defend your abstract idea.

                • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

                  Steve H. is blowing me away with that Shawn Estes reference.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  Estes went 15-8 with a 5.84 ERA and didn’t get a single Cy Young vote, but Ben Sheets came in tied for eigth in the balloting even though that losing jerkface went 12-14 with a 2.70 ERA and 264 strikeouts in 237 innings.

                  What a travesty of justice. SHAWN ESTES WAS ROBBED!!!!

      • VO

        It’s not about the individual persons wins. It’s about how many wins the team itself gets and how each player on that team contributed to that win. Just because CC goes 6 innings lets up 8 runs and gets the ‘win’ but Jeter goes 5-5 doesn’t mean CC was more important. The team is the one that gets the wins the players help them get the wins.

  • pat

    Just stop with the idiot baiting. This person either has no idea what they’re talking about or is clearly trolling the shit out of everybody.

    • http://and-that-happened.blogspot.com Evan

      I agree with this post.

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      Yep.

    • Steve H

      You’re right, I do apologize.

    • http://tomorrowsnewsyesterday.wordpress.com/ JMK

      I’ve been saying this for a while now, but you know what? I take it back. I don’t even care if he’s a troll or just an idiot. All threads he’s involved in are entertainment gold. KEEP RESPONDING, GUYS!

      • Steve H
      • VO

        I think the same thing don’t feed the troll but the reason I responded to the guy above just to put in my point and the fact I don’t really think he’s a troll.

    • alex gonzalez

      are you talking about me? because i am not an idiot. i am just passionate about yankee baseball and have opinions that not everyone agrees with. i heard about this blog before and started reading once in a while, then i saw a commercial for it and started posting. you don’t have to agree with me, i just like to discuss my opinions. even if your opinions are incorrect.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

        I give you credit. You can take criticism like nobody’s business.

      • http://tomorrowsnewsyesterday.wordpress.com/ JMK

        I’m 12 years old and what is this?

      • Jack

        . . . even if your opinions are incorrect.

        Oh, you can fuck right off.

        • alex gonzalez

          i am sorry that you feel that way

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        because i am not an idiot. i am just passionate about yankee baseball and have opinions that not everyone agrees with.

        I believe you that you are passionate about Yankee baseball and that you do have opinions that not everyone agrees with.

        But… you’re an idiot. Or at least, to half-heartedly attempt to not call you a name, the statements that you say here are unabashedly idiotic. Nobody’s fucking with you because you have opinions that we disagree with, we’re fucking with you because you are saying idiotic, indefensible crap that doesn’t make sense and is mind-numbingly ridiculous.

        • alex gonzalez

          so i should make an effort to learn more and try to post things that i can defend better. i dont want to just have all the popular opinions so people agree with me. i wont lie about what i think, i guess i should defend it better even if everyone disagrees with me.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Exactly.

            There’s nothing wrong with thinking that wins should be the most important stat used to evaluate a pitcher, but you have to be willing and able to defend that philosophical value judgment intelligently. And, frankly, that’s a hard position to defend intelligently, as you’ve no doubt seen in this thread. There’s serious, serious flaws with that philosophical theory.

            But thems the breaks at RAB: Be ready and willing to defend your philosophy. Because we’ll pick that shit the hell apart at the drop of a dime.

            • alex gonzalez

              well it seems like sometimes i say something that may be wrong and people look for holes in my arguements that arent really holes. i guess once you start getting beatdown it is easier to keep them on the ground.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                well it seems like sometimes i say something that may be wrong and people look for holes in my arguements that arent really holes.

                But THEY ARE HOLES. The only person who does not see that they are really holes is you.

                The holes in your argument are so gigantic and massive, it’s not really fair to call them holes. A hole would imply that there is a void inside a something. But in this instance, there’s more void than something. There’s not enough stuff there to make a hole into.

                It would be more appropriate to say that there are small arguments in your holes than to say that there are small holes in your argument.

            • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

              What do you mean the drop of a dime? Too cheap to drop a quarter? What a fuckin’ jerk you are, TSJC.

          • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

            You should also be open to changing those opinions when they have been proven to be either misguided or flat out wrong.

            • alex gonzalez

              i havent had any of my arguements proven wrong. we just agreed to disagree.

              • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

                If you wanna go that way, then go with misguided, then. Wins are a poor way to judge a pitcher, a very, very poor way to judge a pitcher. Wins are a great way to judge a team, but not a player.

              • http://tomorrowsnewsyesterday.wordpress.com/ JMK

                Not one person has yet to agree with your plea to disagree, let alone the substance of the arguments. They’ve said you’re wrong–not “yeah, difference of opinion.”

                But I agree with you, if it’s any consolation.

              • Steve H

                Just curious, how old are you?

                I’m 29, btw.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                i havent had any of my arguements proven wrong. we just agreed to disagree.

                No.

                ALL your arguments have been proven wrong. What hasn’t happened is, you haven’t proven any of your arguments right.

              • V

                You say ‘agreed to disagree’, I say ‘you’re the only fucking dumbass who can’t figure out that you’re absolutely, 100%, wrong’.

                Tomatoes, tomahtoes.

        • http://tomorrowsnewsyesterday.wordpress.com/ JMK

          Don’t ruin this for me by scaring him off, as tall a task as even that may seem. This is a good confidence booster for my second go-round of the LSATs. Before this, I’d been using Mr. Nipples’ (my diaper-wearing cat) urine spots on reading comprehension answer choices as a confidence booster. I’m right far more often than he is. But this is way better. This is all i have to live for right now. Don’t take it away. I’m begging you.

          • Steve H

            IETCVM.

          • Steve H

            And by the way, for any “It’s Always Sunny” fans (I’m looking at you Mondesi), doesn’t this post sound like the ramblings of Charlie?

            • Jack

              Wild card!

            • http://z.about.com/d/tvcomedies/1/0/F/-/-/-/judge310_72.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

              Dude… Charlie has a better grip on reason and reality, while he’s huffing spray-paint, than this guy.

              PS: Nice timing, I just stumbled back in here and perused this crazy thread.

              • Steve H

                Lol. Have you seen the commercial with Charlie’s “kitten mittens”? Looks great.

                • http://z.about.com/d/tvcomedies/1/0/F/-/-/-/judge310_72.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                  Yeah, it’s hysterical. The look on his face when the cat flops off the table is pretty awesome. Very psyched for the new season.

  • Zack

    thats why scaife wanted a long term deal and not just the 4.5m franchise tag

  • V

    Ugh. Sometimes I hate consulting. Just got done prepping a spreadsheet (8:30-10:30 at night) for a client, lol.

    • http://tomorrowsnewsyesterday.wordpress.com/ JMK

      At least you have the weekend, right?

      • V

        Nope – gotta work on that damn actuarial credential, lol.

        • http://tomorrowsnewsyesterday.wordpress.com/ JMK

          That’s a bummer. Hopefully you’re able to spend a little time drinking beer, eating good food and watching sports.

  • V

    Wow. What a fumble.

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

    OH SHIT Hines Ward with the Epic Fail.

    • Steve H

      TSJC Epic Fail. It’s Rothlisberger’s fault if they don’t win. WR’s don’t have W/L records, QB’s do, hence it’s all on the QB whether the team wins or loses.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Heh.

        He clearly isn’t good enough at rallying Hines Ward around him to make him not fumble.

        • Steve H

          Yes. As we all know, rallying ability varies from year to year, so while he has 2 SB Rings, he clearly is not going to be a strong rallier this year. He certainly was a top notch rallier in their first Super Bowl, because he played horrendously, but after Ward’s fumble, it’s clear Ben’s rallying is not up to snuff this year.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Oh, and, btw, Kerry Collins totally got robbed. He was so the MVP of the 2008 NFL season.

            Totally. Can’t argue with a 13-3 season. That’s all the K-man, right there.

  • http://z.about.com/d/tvcomedies/1/0/F/-/-/-/judge310_72.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

    Dudes… So I just perused this thread… A-Gonz has to get some sort of award or at least his own meme or something. I’ve been around here for a while and I don’t know that anyone has ever single-handedly taken over threads like this guy. This is an open thread on an off-night, and this guy’s got heads spontaneously combusting to the tune of 430 comments and counting. Seriously… However frustrating it is to any sentient being, it’s pretty incredible.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Like I said, this thread is fucking hilarious.

      And, the clear winner for the meme:

      [Person X] isn’t good enough at rallying his team behind him to prevent [Event Y].

      /alexgonzalez’d

      • http://z.about.com/d/tvcomedies/1/0/F/-/-/-/judge310_72.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

        So it has been said, so it shall be written, so it shall be done.

        • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

          Mosanna in the highest.

  • http://z.about.com/d/tvcomedies/1/0/F/-/-/-/judge310_72.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

    Freaking Jeff Reed.

  • Moshe Mandel

    I hate NFL overtime rules. Win the coin toss and gain about 50 yards, and you win. Both teams need to get the ball.

    • http://dinosaursneverexisted.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/melky.jpg Drew

      I don’t completely disagree. Howeva, you act like gaining 50 is easy. The game was 10-10 through 60 minutes.

      • Moshe Mandel

        Not easy per se, but too easy to allow games to be decided by that method.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      FWIW:

      29% of the time the team that wins the toss drives down and scores without the other team touching the ball. Overall, however, the coin toss winner only wins 52% of the time. It seems fair but these numbers are somewhat misleading because in 1994 a rule changed moved the kickoff back 5 yards to the 30 yard line (those numbers were based on data from 1973-2003). Since then, it’s been about 60%. Prior to the rule change, the coin toss had no predictive value for deciding who would eventually win the game. Since 1994, the coin flip winner has a clear advantage.

      http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What.....in_the_NFL

      • Moshe Mandel

        60% is a huge advantage. That’s just too much to allot to the winner of a coin toss.