Open Thread: The roster, restored
ByIt always makes for a dull night when the Yankees are off, but having a day off with a nine game lead sure beats the alternative. Anyway, Matthew Pouliet at NBC Sports is running a series where he takes a look at what roster a team could field if you could only use players the club originally signed. Sorry that it’s from last weekend, we kind of pulled a LaRussa and fell asleep at the wheel on this one. Here’s the team the Yanks could field:
Rotation: Andy Pettitte, Joba Chamberlain, Phil Hughes, Chien-Ming Wang, Jose Contreras
Bullpen: Mariano Rivera, Russ Springer, Phil Coke, Tyler Clippard, Manny Acosta, David Robertson, Jeff Karstens
Lineup: SS Derek Jeter, 1B Nick Johnson, C Jorge Posada, DH Hideki Matsui, LF Alfonso Soriano, 2B Robinson Cano, RF Juan Rivera, 3B Mike Lowell, CF Melky Cabrera
Bench: INF Cristian Guzman, OF Brett Gardner, OF Marcus Thames, C Dioner Navarro
Obviously the lineup is pretty damn good, and if nothing else the pitching staff has some promise. I guess there’s no room for Brad Ausmus, though. It’s pretty amazing that most of the pitching staff is made up of guys who came through the system pretty recently. It just goes to show that you can spend all the money in the world on pitching, but you still need to develop some of your own to contend.
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Here’s your open thread for the off night. The Mets play the Fish at 7pm, but more importantly, my domination of the RAB Fantasy Football League starts tonight. The Steelers and Titans kick off the 2009 NFL Season tonight in Steeltown, so your days are numbered, tsjc. Anything goes here, just be cool.
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That’s a damn good team.
There are alot of intl FA on that list.
And?
In some of those cases it was money that purchased the people.
An all draft team would be alot harder to assemble for the yankees and devoid of alot of the talent.
Damn good? That’s a 3rd place team in the AL East, at best.
Lineup-Very Good
Rotation-Awful. Contreras was putrid this year and Wang was even worse. The real rotation would have someone like Ivan Nova in it, since Wang ended up on the DL.
Bullpen-After Mo, very shaky. When you ask guys to move up on the food chain in a bullpen, they’re usually worse. Most of that bullpen would be asked to do more than they would on a good team.
But the Sox don’t have alot of their players, plus you have to factor in all the other teams in the entire league with just their players.
It’s not a damn good team, but it’s a pretty good one.
Okay fine. Pretty good.
Gotcha, good point.
Hey! Stop stealing my posts!
So apparently my blog was on Sportscenter this morning. I haven’t been able to confirm this myself, but I’m pretty stoked anyway.
Mike any thoughts of bringing back the RAb radio show? Maybe just in the offseason?
It’s something we’re going to discuss over the winter.
I liked the show, but one thing it was missing was the wacky callers with one-sided trade proposals.
“Yo Francesa I’ll tell you what. The Yankees should trade Ian Kennedy and Melky for Albert Pujols.”
Uhhh . . fer youz guyz tah get Poo-holes youz would need
to give up da Jobber, Phil Hughes, da catcher .. uhh … what’s his name … oh yeah, Montecarlo and that Jackson kid plus give Tony LaRussa a weekend in Vegas with Jennifer Steinbrenner.
Cool, I always enjoyed listening to it. Especially in the doldrums when nothing else was going on.
That’s a very cashman quote, “We aren’t thinking about it right now, but come November…”
Steelers magic number for clinching their division is 9.
So if they go 1-15 and the ravens go 8-8, the steelers clinch?
I hate nights without baseball.
Yoo, nice Pontchartrain reference earlier today. I used to drive that baby almost every day when I was workin down in NOLA. Brought back some great memories.
Haha, I just Wiki’d “long bridges.” I’ve never been farther south than North Carolina when I was like…8. I have been to Europe twice, though.
Oh u bastard. New Orleans>>>>>> Europe, except for Ireland and maybe Amsterdam
Haha, sorry to disappoint you.
Italy! Venice looks like it would be an absolutely incredible place to visit.
It is.
Always wanted to go there.
Italy + Spain = awesome
Florence, Italy takes the cake.
I lived down there for five years for college and grad school, that bridge is ridiculous
Awesome, I freaking love it down there. Tulane?
Can you see V-Tek retiring at the end of this year? I hate to say it, but I feel that Martinez is the better player.
– Moss R., New Orleans
That comes from the Ian Browne mailbag I linked to at MLBTR earlier. I laughed.
But the game calling!
I was about to write the exact same thing….but you know I woulda spelt it teh
You could still write “but teh no hittahs!!!!!”
oh wait, I just took it
tek is the captain of the red sox. any offensive weakness is made up for by his leadership and ability to control pitchers. young pitchers and guys who have lost their way settle down when pitching to him. he is an amazing defensive catcher. i hate to say it but it is true.
Like Penny and Smoltz.
An amazing defensive catcher who has caught 13% of attempted base stealers.
I hate to defend him, and I don’t subscribe to A-gon’s post but I believe he’s allowed the fewest passed balls in Baseball this year, and is at or around the top most years.
I only bring that up because there’s more to being a good defensive catcher than throwing out base runners.
pat doesnt agree i said:
“throwing out runners isn’t everything when talking defense. you need to be able to frame pitches, settle pitchers down, and be smart about what you call.”
he said
“Everything you just said is complete and utter bullshit.”
I know, but when you’re THAT bad, you can’t be too much of a defensive assett. That’s bordering historic innaccuracy.
I don’t care if he has -1 passed balls, singles are doubles or even triples with this guy. Don’t tell me his defense is helping the team.
whats the most PB in the majors? 10? so is having runners move up due to a PB once every 10 games worse than having a team steal a base whenever they feel like it?
maybe hes better at blocking balls, but his arm negates it. Posada had a torn up shoulder last year and had a better CS% than Varitek has this year.
Agreed. JoPo has 7 this year, and is throwing out twice as many runners.
But they’re not all scored PB. Many of them get scored as WP and get charged to the pitcher. He ranks high in PB and his team is low in WP, IIRC. That’s valuable.
injury problems. a good example is what he has done with lester. he has also been smart about making beckett a cy young candidate in the past and strikeout pitcher.
He’s made him so good that he’s basically dropped out of the Cy Young discussion in recent weeks.
You thinking Beckett, yo.
Lester is damn good, but that’s not cause of V-Tek.
You’re right, my bad.
No wait, it’s not my bad.
A-Gon: “he has also been smart about making beckett a cy young candidate in the past…”
Past, maybe…but this year he’s basically out of the discussion. CC has a better shot at it.
i was talking about the 20 win year. that is why i said “past”. “past” usually refers to times that are not the “present”.
Which is why I said “past, maybe…but”.
So now you’re discounting what’s happening this year? Yeah that makes sense.
Jorge Posada caught Cy Young Winner Roger Clemens. Guess that means he’s a brilliant game caller.
You mean it’s pretty much solely on the pitcher, and not the catcher? Well, my bad.
All of this is garbage.
Injury problems? So what about he catchers that called their games on the Giants and Cardinals? Are they better than Varitek?
VMart >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> V-Tek
Well, Yadi is better, so…
He is like the worst defensive cather in the league. He’s thrown out like 12% of baserunners. Average is considered about 30%.
And you don’t hate to say it, you’re a Sox fan. It’s kind of very obvious.
throwing out runners isn’t everything when talking defense. you need to be able to frame pitches, settle pitchers down, and be smart about what you call.
Why do you hate the Yankees ?
And there is ZERO evidence to back up any of those claims. ZERO.
that is because you never watch red sox games. neither do i but i hear from a lot of baseball blogs of the skills that he has. they watch him on a regular basis so maybe they know more than us yankee fans.
I watched Sox games constantly when I was at school for three years. Jason Varitek does very little differently than most ML catchers.
…Or they’re biased. Like you.
fail. I live in Massachusetts. I see TONS of Red Sox games. You and the bloggers are dead wrong. I usually watch the Yankees on mlb.tv while watching the Sox on NESN.
well know i now the secret red sox fans.
Like you?
know I now sounds funny.
Damn….you got me.
It’s not everything, but if someone is THAT bad at it, they’re a defensive liability.
He calls games great. Ask Penny and Smoltz; when they switched game callers all of a sudden their seasons revived and now they’re pitching well!
Wait, that doesn’t add up. I guess we’ll have to conclude that there is no such thing as the mystical skill of game calling.
Everything you just said is complete and utter bullshit.
You should write for ESPN.
so all those things are not important?
If they are/were (and they really aren’t) what proves to you that Varitek is good at any of those things?
Crickets…..
Umm when you’re not throwing anybody out and not even breaking a .750 OPS all these little kitschy bullcrap things the media make up to glorify him don’t mean sh*t. He’s the captain and primary game caller for a team 9 games out of first place in their own division. Gimme a break.
Vinny Gambini: Uh… everything that guy just said is bullshit… Thank you.
D.A. Jim Trotter: Objection. Counsel’s entire opening statement is argumentative.
Judge Chamberlain Haller: Sustained. Counselor’s entire opening statement… with the exception of “thank you”… will be stricken from the record.
IETC.
Facepalm.
Sarcasm? If not, why has Bucholz performed so well with V-Mart, and so terribly with Varitek? What about Penny and Smoltz? What about Mike Lowell just this week stating that the whole “game calling” thing is overrated?
No. Not really.
Worse commenters: MLBTR or Fangraphs? The Fangraphs kids seem to be brighter, but they make Dave Cameron look flexible and open-minded.
I’d say ESPN. MLBTR is a close second.
Steelers, baby!
http://deadspin.com/5354828/wh.....h-steelers
Fantasy football here…should I start Braylon Edwards or Greg Jennings? Jennings is the superior player, but Braylon is playing the Vikings defense, which ranks worset in the league against the pass.
Ideas?
ESPN says Jennings puts me on top w/the matchup. I think I’ll trust them on this one.
Jennings.
Yeah ESPN agrees. Since I’m on the fence w/this one, I’ll take ESPN’s word for it.
My team is sick though.
Yeah, well 2 team leagues do that.
Four!
http://www.hiyoooo.com/
http://media1.break.com/dnet/m.....h-Five.jpg
h/t T Zig
Four game league was the minimum.
New statement: Compared to the rest of the league, my team is STILL sick.
Yeah, the other three teams make up the rest of the league. That’s right.
Hahaha.
When in doubt go with the better quarterback.
I’d go Jennings since I don’t trust Brady Quinn at all, at least not yet
Since this is an open thread–I’m doing a live chat on my blog–Mike Ashmore is joining, too. we’re starting at 8 and going till kick off if you’re interested.
Could be fun =)
sounds like fun, i will be there
Need a link. I don’t see it on your blog or his.
http://www.puristbleedspinstri.....-mike.html
Hoped you liked my ‘Tools’ question.
Man, alex gonzalez gets it bad for every comment he makes. Lol @ that.
Every time this dude makes a comment, there’s like 5 or 6 replies within a minute.
He brings it on himself.
Yeah, I’ve noticed that. I hope he doesn’t get chased away, because then we all wind up in the same Church, and some diversity is a good thing. But he needs to work on his arguments a bit.
So alex gonzalez, I never got your answer from last night. In another attempt to show the uselessness of judging a pitcher based on wins and losses, please tell me which of these pitchers went 19-7, and which went 10-13, in the same league, same year.
Pitcher #1
ERA IP SO WHIP H/9 HR/9 BB/9 SO/9 SO/BB
4.35 182.0 94 1.445 8.3 1.4 4.7 4.6 0.99
Pitcher #2
ERA IP SO WHIP H/9 HR/9 BB/9 SO/9 SO/BB
4.36 169.1 91 1.506 9.9 1.0 3.6 4.8 1.34
I’m guessing pitcher #1 went 19-7. I’m just basing that on the IP though.
And I have absolutely no idea who they are, so I’d like to know, even if you just email me.
What’s he like 45?
I’ll give A-Gone a few more minutes to answer, not that it’s anything but a guess.
what decade are we talking about, then i will tell you. its a lot different if we are talking pitchers in the 80′s or 00′s.
Really, two almost identical pitching lines from the same season, and you think there would be a difference in W/L record due to the era????? Before I tell you, please tell me what difference it makes which decade this was in. Remember, they were the same year, same league.
it makes a huge difference, teams were a lot different between eras in makeup.
It makes no difference as these two seasons both happened in THE SAME YEAR. Whichever one you choose will be a 100% guess, there is nothing in those statistics that can help you determine. I will tell you, not that it matters, that it was during the 1980′s.
Ok, 2 more minutes for you to search thru some 1980′s pitching statistics trying to get the answer until I post it.
yeah, you are just upset because you don’t realize era importance.
Repeat after me. This was the SAME YEAR, so the decade this happened in has no bearing. It is comparing apples to apples.
it tells me how to think about the numbers though, i need to be in the right era mindset to think about what would be good.
Steve, he’s got a tad bit of a point considering wins do depend on a team’s offense so the offensive level’s, which could depend on era, could be relevant.
not true at all, era is extremely important in how pitchers were built and how they performed. wins are critical to a pitcher being good. i would bet that pitcher #2 was the one who won the most games, but i also bet based on the numbers that he wasn’t very good after that year.
Ok, why do you think #2 won more games? What in his statistics would give that away? Mike, in his educated guess, guessed pitcher #1 because he pitched more innings. What leads you to believe it’s pitching #2. Obviously you are just guessing, but please enlighten me if there was any analysis used, or was just a guess.
look at his strikeout per walks, then the low innings i bet are because he started to suck later on as his career went on. probably never a pitching horse. pitcher 2 let more people on base, but knew how to get them out. pitcher 1 probably just let them on and couldn’t get outs when critical. so who are they and what were there records.
What does his career have to do with one year?
if a guy goes 50 Ip over the course of a year, sometimes things wont look good for him in the future. just a guess, just tell me who they are. i made my prediction.
But we’re not talking about how he did for his career. We’re talking about how he did in one year.
Yes, you made your “prediction” without any reasonable basis. That is fine, because there was no reasonable basis to guess who won more games, because the pitching lines were almost identical.
In 1989 Charlie Hough went 10-13, while Storm Davis went 19-7 despite pitching at and almost identical performance level. If Hough pitched for the 1st place A’s, and Davis pitched for the 4th place Rangers, their W/L records would have been flipped.
no, storm davis was better then charlie hough. who are these guys? bunch of nobodies? you have to be able to pitch to scores and get wins when it matters. storm davis obviously knew how to do that.
And your theory about which pitcher pitched better and worse with runners on base? With RISP Hough held batters to a .191/.342/.229 line. Davis was .269/.344/.375.
What were the run support numbers?
Storm Davis had a better record than Charlie Hough because he pitched for a dominating, WS winning team.
He did not pitch better than Charlie Hough.
its not all about RISP. its about when they let hits with runners in scoring position.
Storm Davis 5.61 runs per game run support.
Charlie Hough 3.97 runs per game run support.
Ding ding ding!!!!
well i think the records speak for themselves. this was a fun game though.
No, they don’t. The records speak to luck and the team who had a better offense.
we will just have to agree to disagree. i know that is what you think, but it is wrong. this was still a fun time though. even without the understanding of just how important wins are to a pitcher.
Guys, was alex right? I don’t want to look up the records because it’s 3 AM where I am, but if he was right you might as well admit it and maybe accept that he has a point. You disagree with him, but if he proved you wrong he proved you wrong, simple as that.
they already answered that. i was indeed correct with my prediction.
Oh, and pitcher #2 wasn’t any good that year either.
Actually wins/losses don’t mean NOTHING…if you’re really high in either one that, with exceptions is indicative of at least being above or below average. It’s also indicative, normally, of lots of innings pitched (if you have lots of wins).
I dno’t think anyone’s saying they mean nothing, they just mean a lot less than the MSM thinks they do.
Bobby Parnell is begging to go back in that pen.
I’m a fan of Parnell though.
Are you readyy for some football!!??
Shit I can’t believe football is already here.
I’m not ready for the Black Eyed Peas. That just ruined football season.
Seriously. That just made me like basketball.
So you won’t be tuning into the new season of Oprah, I take it. If it makes a difference, Jennifer Hudson will be there for an interview. Whitney Houston, too. Hell, at this rate she may get Eddy Curry, too.
Sleep on it and get back to me.
Ya, except Jason Campbell is a dead man walking
A Plaxless Eli is going to get gobbled up by Haynseworth!
Good.
I hope Eli struggles. The knobjobs on him have been endless from my Giants friends. NFC East is tough though, I’m just hoping Dallas stays competitive. Right now, I expect the Eagles and Giants to make it to the playoffs from that division.
But Dallas is close, that running game needs to click.
Redskins? Pfft, 7-9
Dallas needs to have a stupendously awesome offense every game when they’re not playing the Giants. That is my unbiased opinion.
/possibly owns witten and roy williams in a money league.
Sleep on our D baby, cause we’re wide awake!
/corny ass line
This is Campbell’s year. I’m hanging my hat on him, it’s now or never. The Skins defense alone is worth 5 wins, Skins will go 10-6.
Easy big fella.
You’re wilding.
O plz r u srious? G T F O
Sunday, we’ll see what happens.
Make a bet! Make a bet!
If Skins win, pat gets a Skins tattoo.
If Giants win, Drew gets a Giants tattoo.
A full sleeve tattoo!!
Seriously though, Eli will get knocked around. He may cry.
Nt rly.
if the Giants win you have to post under aname of my choosing, if the skins win I’ll post under a name of your choosing.
for a week.
Sounds like a fair deal.
I’m in.
You do have HFA, any concession for that?
HFA?
Home field advantage.
Dumbass!
home field adv
Ohh right, you kids with your acronyms and such. What kind of concession do you want? How about I won’t make your new handle something you’ll get banned for?
Someone just called Nadal a “grinder”. That really has been ESPN’s buzzword this whole calender year.
Another great knocking of W/L as a good indicator of how well someone is pitching. Anthony Young went 1-16 with a 107 ERA+. For his career, his ERA+ was 100, yet he was 15-48.
1-16? He sucks. If you are good then you’re offense will be good so you’ll be a good pitcher. ERA is too complicated. Wins and losses are the only things that matter when evaluating a pitcher’s success.
I dunno, as a reliever in 1993, he allowed the following line: .291/.379/.392, compared to a league average of: .264/.327/.399. So he was walked and singled to death, rather than being a home run dispenser. That’s not particularly stellar.
(Of course, that doesn’t mean he deserved to lose 16 games. That’s the Mets’ fault for deploying him as they did. He only had one really good appearance over that become a loss, an 8 inning complete game where he allowed 3 hits and 2 runs. The Mets were shut out)
Yes he was bad. But while looking his triple slash line may be a great indicator for future performance, but in looking a single year, his era was better than league average and he was 1-16. So even if singled to death, he wasn’t giving up runs at a high pace. Even his FIP was a respectable 4.07.
Hey you guys, help a brotha out. I am about to take a girl to the movies tonight, but i don’t know what’s good. The only thing i will say no to is final destination.
thanks
Inglorious basterds?
’9′ was interesting.
Extract looked like it might be funny.
Extract? Been wanting to see it, haven’t heard anything about it though
It was meh…Office Space >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Extract
Gotta see a funny movie. Girls get all riled up after a good laugh. Watching Nazi’s get beaten with baseball bats and scalped will probably not put her in the mood. If it does immediately give her my name and number and step the hell outta the way cuz she’s a freak and outta yer league homeboy.
Never cease to amaze me.
hahaha pat you are a funny man,… funny movie it is.
It’s so very true.. Marilyn Monroe said it best..”If you can make a girl laugh you can make her to do anything”
hmm good motto
pat, you better be Eddie Murphy in the Raw/Delirious era to get women to do the things you’d like them to do.
Hahahaha, nice.
And true.
Make it a home movie, Dela. I think you know what I mean.
haha i would, but my roommate is using the big tv tonight for he and his woman
Get off the stage.
Okay, now that shitty music hour is over, time for some football.
Nothing gets me more pumped than black eyed peas and country music!!!
I never realize how much I miss football until I watch a meaningful game. Same thing with every sport, year after year.
Did you guys like Madden? I loved him, I thought it should be a rule that he was in the superbowl booth.
Obviously he lost a couple ticks off the ol’ fastball as he got older, but I could always listen to him. BOOM!
He was better than Colinsworth. That’s not saying much though.
Harry Connick Jr. pride of Nawlins!
Hey guys, first time playing fantasy football. I should also put in that I didn’t know I could only spend up to 200 points in the draft. I just finished picking up some players rated high on SI’s list (Although for the most part their own% on ESPN is very low), how bad is it?
QB Drew Brees
RB Michael Turner
RB Clinton Portis
RB/WR Leon Washington
WR Lary Fitzgerald
WR Nate Washington
TE Kevin Boss
D/ST Dolphins
K Lawrence Tynes
Bench
QB Trent Edwards
RB TJ Duckett
RB Justin Fargas
WR Mushin Muhammad
WR Michael Crabtree
TE Anthony Fasano
D/ST Chargers
how bad is it?
You know how the Yanks season is going? Picture the exact opposite of that.
Then according to Lanny and Alex Gonzalez I have a damn good team.
TCWA
Meaning?
This Comment Was Awesome.
Who started this one?
Brees Turner and Fitz are a very solid core. Pretty good team yo.
Agreed, not as much depth as Bahston, bench is pretty shallow, but starters are pretty solid.
Dude, you have Washington. I agree with Mike Pop.
Nate washington? If yes then I want to get rid of him or bench him at least but he is locked right now.
Anyone on the bench that should be starting?
Your bench is pretty bad but I would definitely start SD over Miami. Sd is playin OAk, Miami is playing Atlanta.
I was just going to make that change actually is it worth it picking up a different defense besides Miami? Maybe the Cowboys?
Depends on whats available. I usually wait a few weeks to see which DEF are legit before making any waiver moves.
Also, pat has never once won or even placed in the top 4 in any of his fantasy leagues.
WHAT IS THIS??? PIZZA POUNDCAKE?
Conick jr ftw. That was a good one.
agreed
great job
Got some great stuff from Ashmore in my chat tonight. Check it out if you’re interested. Don’t if you’re not.
I saw it, but who was the rude jerk that asked THIS question?
“8:27 [Comment From Bulldog]
Mike, you said at the AA level, the main thing teams look for are tools. I have Hammer toes, Wrenched hands and my wife’s a Hoe. Do I have a shot with these tools?
8:28 [Mike Ashmore]: I…ummm…would suggest a Home Depot gift card for more tools. “
I wonder…
Uh-oh. She’s mad at me.
Where do I send the box of chocolates?
O god, back to the stress of rooting for specific players during games I don’t care about.
I know that feeling.
Biggest response today over at TYU today was the Wang question.
Do you bring him back? Easy answer is ‘Yes’ but it would be a minor league deal and he possibly could get a MLB deal elsewhere. Yanks would have a much easier time cutting him loose if he’s signed to a minor league deal, he might not even break camp with the team.
But the bigger question is where does he pitch? Here’s next year’s rotation:
CC
AJ
Pettitte
Joba
Hughes
I think the Yanks bring Andy back coming off this season. For 6th starter types, you have Aceves, IPK, maybe Mitre and Z-Mac as well. Do we really even need him? If you think he’s healthy, then yes. His upside is terrific. But I don’t think we’ll know one way or the other till the middle of next year.
Do we really even need him?
Yeah. Depth is never a bad problem, I think you have to give him one more year. You also have Gaudin, but Wang is better than all those 6th starter types you listed. Also, with innings limit on Hughes, a possible Burnett or other SP injury. I bring him back if I’m Cash. But obviously, going about it is the hard part. Just try to work something out with him.
This.
OK, I’ll make it a little harder then. Has to be a MLB deal (he has another offer) so you kill a roster spot for him, which means you will lose someone in the Rule 5 draft.
Well, he’s still on the 40 man right now, isn’t he?
Right, but the Rule 5 draft already happened months ago.
he’s on the 60 day DL though so he’s not taking up a spot now
Oh, true.
Right, but there’s no DL in the offseason.
He’s on because of the outlook coming into 2009. Had this happened last year, would he be on now? I think it really comes down to who you are risking losing in the Rule V draft. And while we’re at it, the list of good players lost in the Rule V draft is pretty small.
Or, do you let Wang go and pick up an Erik Bedard, Rich Harden, Brandon Webb maybe, or a John Smoltz!!!
Pop Fail.
How can you leave out Penny and Byrd??
Only if the Yanks could pick up V-tek with one of them as a package deal. He knows how to work with guys who have seem to lost it.
I know, and we even got a few back in recent years. I’m just throwing it out there as a consideration.
I think they’ll bring him back, unless his medicals are worse than we know. This is, after all, his THIRD SHOULDER operation.
He needs to rally the doctors to do a better job performing his surgeries so he can go 19-6 again.
Third injury, second surgery.
Right, they rehabbed him in 05.
I’d bring him back. I can see a 1+1 type deal with a fairly large buyout… something like $3M+6M with a $2M buyout. I don’t see any value in a straight 1 year deal.
They’ll have enough free spots this offseason that it’s not too big a deal. Molina, Hinske, Hairston, Matsui, Damon, and Towers are definites, plus they can cut Claggett, Garcia, Miranda, and Duncan. I can’t see them needing to protect 10 players from the Rule 5 draft.
Sure, but Montero’s so awesome they may want to protect him multiple times, just to make sure.
(And not all of the guys you listed will leave as FAs or be cut, so there’s that.)
Who won’t leave? All of the first set are FAs, so even if they agree to deals before the Rule 5 draft, the deals won’t be signed until after (so that’s 6 spots). I would rather have a (potentially) wasted roster spot than any of the other 4 guys.
Agree with this. If Wang can get back to what he was, he’s the second best starter in the rotation. If he can’t, he could still possibly be a solid back-end option, or in the pen.
And while the 2010 rotation looks pretty solid even without him, it’s the old adage: “You can never have too much pitching.”
“If Wang can get back to what he was”
That’s a big if, and we really won’t know until he gets back on a mound, which is mid next year.
Considering the timing of it, is there really any rush? Is anyone going to sign him before next year, knowing he won’t be ready till July? You would think teams will take the Freddy Gardcia/Ben Sheets approach, and wait to see him back on a mound.
True, I’d just rather him have his rehab work under the Yankees umbrella, where they can control what he’s doing, rather than Wang just doing his thing.
Right. I know we all don’t want a Mitreish guy pitching due to injuries and/or wasting resources so I’d like as much pitchers that can pitch effectively as possible.
Not saying Wang is automatically coming back to form but he has a chance. And if he becomes ownage Wang then that would be helpful.
or Mo forbid they stick him in the bullpen…
fuck roy oswalt. i can’t believe i had him in my lineup today for fantasy. how the hell can you even give up that many hites?
*hits
alez gonzalez here is one for you.
W L W-L% ERA G GS CG SHO IP H R ER HR BB IBB SO
12 11 .522 3.22 28 28 6 2 192.2 182 83 69 17 44 3 172
19 6 .760 3.63 34 33 2 1 218.0 233 92 88 12 52 4 76
Which pitcher would you rather have?
are they the same year? if so, for that year the guy who won 19 games. long term though i bet the guy who won 12 games will improve. i like the strikeouts that he has. much more dominate where he may turn into a better game winner than pitcher 2.
You almost get it, and then you don’t. The guy who won 12 games was better that year, he’s no more likely to improve his pitching performance than anyone else , but his win total likely will improve. His performance could be exactly identical the next year and he could go 19-6. That doesn’t mean he pitched any better, simply had more luck, better team around him, more run support, better bullpen, etc.
Same year.
Don’t you see how arbitrary wins and loses are? You would choose the guy with more wins, Pitcher 2, even though his stats are worse. If you put Pitcher 1 on the same team, odds are that he puts up a better win/loss record than Pitcher 2.
Pitcher 1 by the way had a 140 ERA+, Pitcher 1, 126 ERA+.
who are they? wins are not arbitrary, they have a lot to do with how the pitchers pitch in certain situations. you gotta pitch to scores and know how to rally your team behind you.
you cant be serious
i am very serious.
No, you definitely aren’t.
You’re just a troll. You come around at 7 o clock for game/open threads because that’s when you can talk bout w/e and just annoy ppl.
we all need to shun him, no replies to his posts
not true im on here throughout the day. i dont troll. i am just passionate about my beliefs of the game.
So what if your bullpen or offense fucks it up for you? Is that the pitcher’s fault for not going for the perfect game?
Yes, he should have done a better job of rallying his bullpen to pitch better. And done a better job of rallying his GM to put a better team around him. And rallyed his manager to manage a better game.
Maybe he should get a rally monkey
“rally your team behind you”
So did the 12-11 pitcher become a better rallyer when his record improved to 19-7 the next year?
Seriously, that’s your argument?!?!?!
some years pitchers now how to win, others that don’t make the right moves. a lot also has to with the catcher. a good defensive catcher can often help a pitcher to be better. the only thing i see different between two pitchers with similar stats is wins. the guy who gets more wins was more valuable to his team. forget about what all there fancy stats look like. at the end of the day it is about taking the ball and getting wins. even if that means you gotta get your offense a spark. you pitch well they do well, you pitch bad they pick up. it is all about chemistry.
So CC knew how to win as a 20 year old rookie but not as a 5 year veteran?
I dunno why you keep going with this guy.
He won’t admit he’s wrong.
he knew how to win that year with that chemistry. then he clearly didn’t do as well pitching to scores and keeping runners from scoring. that is why the later season he didn’t get as many wins. it goes beyond age. some seasons a pitcher knows how to maintain leads and get his offense behind him, other years he just isn’t a winner. the fewer wins in a year the worse you are. that is why i believe cy young awards should be completely based on wins. that is the most value to teams. who cares about strikeouts or innings. just go out there and avoid a loss and get a wins.
i will admit i am wrong. only if that is true.
Ok. I give up. No mas.
It’s not about chemistry though. His team scored more runs. That isn’t due to chemistry.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znowCx_y7nU (Safe)
i will admit i am wrong. only if that is true.
My man, you’re wrong. You’re saying a pitcher needs to will his team to win. This is just batshit insane. Jake Peavy on the Padres could of tried as hard to motivate or ‘willed’ his team to win as motherfuckin’ Vincente Padilla on the Rangers. Do they have magic powers? Is Chase Headley going to hit that Lincecum breaking ball for a hr @ Petco just as easily as Ian Kinsler would off Sean Gallagher on the A’s?
This shit is just batshit insane.
Peavy: Hey Chase, hit that home run for me team player. I’d love ya for it. I know Lincecum has struck you out twice on 6 pitches but I know if I say this, it might help you hit that 2-run homer I need.
So Scott Feldman with his 16 wins> over Tim Lincecum with his 13 wins?
Batshit Insane™
Wow. I give up after this.
How the hell do pitchers not know how to fucking win IF THE OFFENSE IS A HUGE PART WHETHER THE PITCHERS GETS A WIN OR NOT.
These stats aren’t fancy at all. All you need is ERA for a crude deduction!
As far as I know the catcher and the defense are not apart of pitching. The pitcher CANNOT control the defense or the offense. Even in the NL pitchers sucks at hitting.
And I don’t know how chemistry links to this because chemistry is the most overrated thing that is not Jason Varitek. If a team wins a lot then the chemistry will be good.
Wins do not define how talented a pitcher is. The pitcher is supposed to pitch not to rally his whole team so they can give him the win.
As far as I know the catcher and the defense are not apart of pitching.
And when I mean the catcher isn’t apart of pitching I mean he isn’t the one throwing the pitches.
Also, FWIW, Pitcher 1′s team did not make the playoffs that year. However, the next year, his team won the division.
W L W-L% ERA G GS CG SHO IP H R ER HR BB IBB SO
19 7 .731 3.21 34 34 4 1 241.0 238 94 86 20 37 1 209
Oh, and his ERA+ was 143.
19-6 is Wang of ’06 rite?
I know who the 12-11 guy is too. Excellent job Thirty5Thirty6.
Correct.
Pitcher 1 is CC Sabathia: 2006.
Pitcher 2 is Chien-Ming Wang: 2006.
And CC in 2001 went 17-5 with a 102 ERA+. So was that better than his 12-11 140 ERA+ year. Hmm, let me check CC’s run support.
2001-5.30
2006-4.20
He should have rallied his team better in 2006 the way he did in 2001.
Yep. Classic Ben.
damn polamalu is good.
Troy Polamalu is out of his mind.
yeah that was pretty dirty.
oh the irony. pat calling someone else dirty.
He started it.
Januz is probably getting pissed right about now.
scranton up 4-1 in the 9th. nova with an excellent outing.
whelan finished off the sweep.
Did any of you guys see this Was Watching post?
http://waswatching.com/2009/09.....-in-draft/
I don’t necessarily agree with Steve’s conclusions (that Cashman is a dope who should be fired), or Manuel’s initial comment that sparked the post, but the Yankees have spent a lot of money for very little return on those guys (up to this point. Any one of them could make Manuel look like he jumped the gun in 2010). As to whether that speaks to poor scouting/drafting, I suppose we’d have to look at the rates for the rest of the league. Still, ugly for the time being, no?
the Yankees have spent a lot of money for very little return on those guys (up to this point.Any one of them could make Manuel look like he jumped the gun in 2010
He’s writing off kids that are in their early twenties. Sounds pretty stupid to me.
I agree with what Pat said. Brackman fell to us because of medical and signability issues. I know people have pretty heated feelings toward Brackman but this is his first real year pitching full-time, and he’s healthy. That itself is an accomplishment and his potential is immense, even if his probability is small. It’s worth it, in my opinion. Let’s see what he does next year and the year after that and then make a determination (even though that may still be a bit early).
As for some of the others, Angelini has been a huge disappointment thus far, no question. Still, he’s young. It’s not over yet (though next year might be his last). Betances has pitched well in the minors, overall, but he’s often injured. IPK cruised through the minors, and had a slip-up in the majors–tons of pitchers do that but doesn’t mean it’s a terrible pick or investment. And then he had a freakin’ aneurysm! No way to predict that. As for Suttle, it would be nice if he were healthy every now and then, but THIS HAPPENS TO ALL TEAMS. It’s a crap shoot; there are no crystal balls.
Dumb article.
Anyone notice how noMaas just skipped right over A.J.’s start. Funny thing.
Shocking.
I like the site. It’s the message board that makes me cringe.
I love the site, just don’t like how they skip over every good start of A.J.’s and as soon as he has a bad one… they have a post up 10 minutes after the game.
They do it just to irk you. Every Yankee blog in the universe knows about your mancrush on AJ (not that there’s anything wrong with that).
Do they know of our love for Swisher?
They do. But how can you possibly write anything bad about Swish?
Fun fact: If you could actually look at the underside of China, you would see the words “Made by Nick Swisher” etched in.
Awesome.
Nick Swisher can believe it’s not butter.
Pffft. He hits .240 and he K’s all the time!
Nic K Swisher.
Here’s a good one. Randy Johnson once had a 4 game stretch with the following line:
32 innings. 54 strikeouts. 1.41 ERA. 0.90 WHIP. .517 OPS against. 3 complete games.
Would this be considered good pitching or bad pitching?
if he got wins, yes. if he lost those games, no. it is all about getting wins. that is the only thing that matters.
Aww, he’s just fucking with us now.
Lol
facepalm.
WTF. How does any rational baseball fan consider that bad pitching. Oh wait..
HE DUN GET TEH WINS HE R MSUT BE TEH R BADZZZZZ HE ARE TEH S0X0R OMG NO WINS HE SUCKS LOLOLOLOLOL
keywords; “rational baseball fan”
You are 100% correct. Randy Johnson, in able to win those games should have given up negative runs so that they could have won. Just because your team doesn’t score a single run in 4 starts doesn’t mean you shouldn’t win.
not negative runs, just fewer than the opponent.
Well if the opponent gives up zero runs, the only numbers fewer than zero are negative.
you just keeping pitching until your offense scores. a pitcher who goes 6 IP and allows 6 runs and wins did a better job than a pitcher who goes 9 IP and allows 1 runs for the loss.
what if you go 9 IP 1R 0ER and your offense scores 0, therefore you get the L without giving up an ER?
that is more on the defense. but you have to buckle down with men on base. therefore you get the loss you were the worse pitcher. everything is about wins and losses.
what if you get 2 pop ups and your 3B drops them?
Or what if a flyball hits off Jose Canseco’s head and bounces into the stands with 2 outs in the 9th of a 0-0 game with no one on base?
“If a flyball hits off Jose Canseco’s head and bounces into the stands with 2 outs in the 9th of a 0-0 game with no one on base?”
It’s obvious the pitcher should have done a better job of rallying Jose Canseco around him to help win the game, offensively and defensively.
??????????????????????????????????????????????????
NO. THIS IS WHERE YOU ARE COMPLETELY WRONG. THE OFFENSE DID A BETTER JOB FOR THE PITCHER WHO GAVE UP 6 IN 6. THE OFFENSE SUCKED FOR THE GUY WHO WENT 9 AND 1.
That is that, you’re wrong.
http://tinyurl.com/q8u8js (Language)
What if a pitcher goes 5 innings giving up 8 runs and leaves the game with a 7 run deficit. Then, his team scores 8 the next half inning so he gets the win. Is that good pitching????
So does that mean that both A.J. Burnett and Josh Beckett did bad in that 15 inning game?
Hey get your own material! <__<
Haha, perfect timing huh? Alex Gonzalez will probably not respond to either of us though.
i did respond though.
Yea you did. Guess I was wrong, but still, How can you possibly say they failed in that game?
A.J.’s team ultimately won the game, so i guess he had the better start with this logic?
Pitchers duel to extra innings. Score tied 0-0. It went to extra innings. Both team’s had to rely on their bullpen. One bullpen fucked up and lost the game 1-0 to a walk off home run.
Neither starting pitcher got the win. So AJ Burnett and Josh Beckett are bad pitchers huh?
not that it matters all that much but i believe it was a 2-run home run and the final score was 2-0
Oh right my bad.
no they were pretty much equally good. that loss was on the bullpen. so that pitcher was the worst on the night.
But neither starting pitcher got the win which is their job so they failed.
they did fail. but they failed at the same level. that is why i said they were equally good.
So even posting 0′s on the other team they are still failures?
Ok.
Yes. Giving up 0 runs is failing if your opponent also gives up runs. So, right now, they should be in the 3675th inning of that game, still tied 0-0, Beckett vs. Burnett, and until one of them gives up a run, they are both failing.
Huh?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiePDFhRjrM (Language)
I’ve got it! You’re really Joe Morgan, right?
TCWA.
RAB Accountings Department:
I apparently owe the Big Three of this site a drink. Whoops.
http://riveraveblues.com/2008/.....nues-5321/
(Of course, if Zambrano makes someone’s playoff roster and pulls a Jeff Suppan, all bets are off!)
what an insane prediction.
No shit. However, on the one in a billion chance that it came true, I look like a sage.
/clearly facetious
one in a billion? probably more unlikely. im pretty sure its more likely the sun explodes in the next couple of minutes.
The odds of Zambrano outpitching Kazmir are actually better than finding someone who knows anything, and I mean anything about baseball thinking the below pitching line is bad.
32 innings. 54 strikeouts. 1.41 ERA. 0.90 WHIP. .517 OPS against. 3 complete games.
I can’t find where the predictions thread is. But, I predicted Mauer for MVP. Boo-ya!!!
/Leaves out all the predictions got wrong. Like A’s for the West I believe.
I predicted a lot of stuff and not a lot of it is coming true.
http://riveraveblues.com/2009/.....tyle-9856/
AL MVP: Jason Giambi
how is he doing? that wasn’t your prediction by the way.
How’s Giambi doing? Well that doesn’t matter. Since wins are the only thing that matters, and the pitcher is 100% responsible for winning, who care what offensive players do.
yeah because that relates to what i posted in response. wow, don’t need to be so aggresive.
Ietc.
Lol.
I only got the Yanks winning their division and Mauer presumably winning MVP. The whole NL? Wrong.
I was more or less trying to look like a wizard too.
Dude I predicted THE A’S to win the West. WTF?!
Are you on drugs?
-Drugs? No, I don’t take drugs.
I don’t like your attitude.
-What else is new…
I’m holding you in contempt of court.
-Oh, there’s a fuckin’ surprise.
What did ya say?
-What?
What did you say??
-What did I say, what?
Haha, love it.
The Utes
What is a Ute?
Even Lanny called you out.
A blocked FG! WOw!
Ted Lilly over Contreras all the way.
Jennifer Aniston is a dime piece.
I get killed for this but…..
Jennifer Aniston >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Angelina Jolie.
Get out and take your blasphemy with you.
I agree.
I’m with ya Stevey H.
I hear you. Some like that dark scary sexy thing Angie rocks. I prefer the nice, pretty, all american look.
I was really appreciating the agreement, then you had to agree with me. Now I don’t know what to think.
Don’t worry. It’s clearly a lie to try and throw us off his scent.
Pat prefers “the nice, pretty, all american look”?
HAH! Clearly bullshit. Pat likes ‘em grimey and we know it, the sick fucko.
Thanks. I am appalled at myself for glossing over the “the nice, pretty, all american look” comment. $100 says pat was giggling as he typed that bs.
I hate you all.
Eh, they both have sharp knees. WOULD NOT HIT.
hey someone finally scored.
Oh how I wish Corteland took that back.
Madden 10 strikes !
Polamalu was sidelined.
http://profootballtalk.nbcspor.....oom-early/
Knee injury, questionable to return
how many wins do the yankees finish with? I am going with 103.
If we finish with 103 wins, that means that the other 59 times our pitcher sucked balls, because we didn’t win. And those losses are totally and squarely on the pitcher.
Wins and losses are the only things that are important.
so you are someone who agrees with me?
No. I’m not laughing with you, I’m laughing at you.
Your inability to recognize sarcasm never ceases to amaze me.
Your inability
to recognize sarcasmnever ceases to amaze me.Fixed.
Here’s a pitcher:
3 games, 26IP, 0.35 ERA, 16H, 1 Win, 2 Losses
I think that’s a pretty good 3 game stretch, even with the two loses.
One would think that anyone who knows anything about baseball agrees with you but..
“a pitcher who goes 6 IP and allows 6 runs and wins did a better job than a pitcher who goes 9 IP and allows 1 runs for the loss.” -according to Alex Gonzalez
once again, it is all about winning. you gotta get wins that is what it is all about. that looks old, what is that from the 1930′s.
What if a guy has a 1.30 ERA for the entire season and has a 5-8 record?
200 innings but he never got decisions, but the team won in the 10 of his 13 no decisions. Is that a good season?
who did that?
You tell me.
how would i know who did that? no modern pitcher has ever had that low of an ERA since the mound was lowered.
ERA, K/9, WHIP, none of that shit matters.
Only two things in this life count: Wins and what era you played in. That’s it.
This thread is so fucking hilarious.
Why would it matter who did it? If it happened, is it a good season. Simple yes or no question.
Here’s why it matters who did it:
alex gonzalez is incapable of conceiving of the theoretical. Wins and losses are tangible and understandable. Theoretical seasons designed to test a hypothetical argument, like the argument of “Wins and Losses are the only things that matter”, well, those hypothetical seasons could potentially undermine that ridiculously stupid hypothetical argument.
We can’t venture too far from the realm of the shit I believe in, because I might be proven to be an idiot. So I’m going to need to verify the realness of the datasets you give to me, mmmmmkay?
i believe in teams getting wins. if a pitcher gets a win that means a team walks away with a win. if the pitcher loses that means the team loses. i dont think that wins are the only things that matter for a pitcher. i am just saying it shows who is a good pitcher. all i want are team wins. if that means pitchers getting the wins then they are doing there jobs. the offense still matters. there are three parts to baseball. offense defense and pitching. for all these things to be in synch is what matters. i just know that pitching wins show that a team won, and that is what i like. team wins is what counts.
There are clearly many things you believe. You have listed several of them on this board over the past few days.
All of them have been easily the dumbest things a person could possibly believe in. Your complete and total adherence to shockingly stupid positions is appaling. Nobody, and I mean nobody on the history of this board has ever entered with such a massive and total flourish of ineptitude better than you have, and that’s saying a lot.
You quite literally have no clue at all what you are talking about. None. You could roll Ben Kabak, Johnnie Cochran, Alan Dershowitz, William Jennings Bryan, Socrates, and Jesus all into one, and that mythical super-advocate would not be able to defend your position. He’d tell you to throw yourself on the mercy of the court.
What if a guy goes 20-0 and has an 8.00 ERA and never makes it out of the 5th inning, ever, and has a 5.00 WHIP…
Is he good at pitching?
Correction: Never goes more than 5 innings, ever
im still waiting to know who pitched with that low of an era
im still waiting to know who pitched with that low of an era
IT DOESN’T MATTER. It’s a philosophical question. It requires you to defend your theory in the abstract by using your philosophical imagination. Who did it or when it happened or if it even happened at all is immaterial.
so they don’t even exist? i dont understand the point then. find me someone that does exist.
In 1992, Jim Abbot had a 2.77 ERA the fifth lowest among AL qualifiers that year, but he went 7-15 that year due to the 2.5 runs of run support he recieved while pitching.
In 2008, Jake Peavy, had a 2.85 ERA, good for sixth best in the majors but a sub .500 winning percentage, with a 10-11 record, because his run support of 3.5 runs per game was sixth-worst in the Majors.
In 2004, Shawn Estes had a 5.84 ERA and went 15-8 just because his offense produced 5.6 runs per game.
A pitchers win-loss record shouldn’t be used to justify that one pitcher is better than another, due to the variables that go into a win or a loss.
http://bleacherreport.com/arti.....misleading
find me someone that does exist.
No.
The idea, YOUR IDEA, that “Wins and Losses should be the only thing that really counts when evaluating whether or not a pitcher has done his job” is not a real thing that exists, it’s an abstract idea.
You should be able to defend that abstract idea by testing it with similarly abstract premises. You shouldn’t need real-world examples, even though dozens of such examples have been offered to you in this thread, to defend your abstract idea.
Steve H. is blowing me away with that Shawn Estes reference.
Estes went 15-8 with a 5.84 ERA and didn’t get a single Cy Young vote, but Ben Sheets came in tied for eigth in the balloting even though that losing jerkface went 12-14 with a 2.70 ERA and 264 strikeouts in 237 innings.
What a travesty of justice. SHAWN ESTES WAS ROBBED!!!!
It’s not about the individual persons wins. It’s about how many wins the team itself gets and how each player on that team contributed to that win. Just because CC goes 6 innings lets up 8 runs and gets the ‘win’ but Jeter goes 5-5 doesn’t mean CC was more important. The team is the one that gets the wins the players help them get the wins.
Just stop with the idiot baiting. This person either has no idea what they’re talking about or is clearly trolling the shit out of everybody.
I agree with this post.
Yep.
You’re right, I do apologize.
I’ve been saying this for a while now, but you know what? I take it back. I don’t even care if he’s a troll or just an idiot. All threads he’s involved in are entertainment gold. KEEP RESPONDING, GUYS!
http://tinyurl.com/4zf6cq
I think the same thing don’t feed the troll but the reason I responded to the guy above just to put in my point and the fact I don’t really think he’s a troll.
are you talking about me? because i am not an idiot. i am just passionate about yankee baseball and have opinions that not everyone agrees with. i heard about this blog before and started reading once in a while, then i saw a commercial for it and started posting. you don’t have to agree with me, i just like to discuss my opinions. even if your opinions are incorrect.
I give you credit. You can take criticism like nobody’s business.
I’m 12 years old and what is this?
. . . even if your opinions are incorrect.
Oh, you can fuck right off.
i am sorry that you feel that way
because i am not an idiot. i am just passionate about yankee baseball and have opinions that not everyone agrees with.
I believe you that you are passionate about Yankee baseball and that you do have opinions that not everyone agrees with.
But… you’re an idiot. Or at least, to half-heartedly attempt to not call you a name, the statements that you say here are unabashedly idiotic. Nobody’s fucking with you because you have opinions that we disagree with, we’re fucking with you because you are saying idiotic, indefensible crap that doesn’t make sense and is mind-numbingly ridiculous.
so i should make an effort to learn more and try to post things that i can defend better. i dont want to just have all the popular opinions so people agree with me. i wont lie about what i think, i guess i should defend it better even if everyone disagrees with me.
Exactly.
There’s nothing wrong with thinking that wins should be the most important stat used to evaluate a pitcher, but you have to be willing and able to defend that philosophical value judgment intelligently. And, frankly, that’s a hard position to defend intelligently, as you’ve no doubt seen in this thread. There’s serious, serious flaws with that philosophical theory.
But thems the breaks at RAB: Be ready and willing to defend your philosophy. Because we’ll pick that shit the hell apart at the drop of a dime.
well it seems like sometimes i say something that may be wrong and people look for holes in my arguements that arent really holes. i guess once you start getting beatdown it is easier to keep them on the ground.
well it seems like sometimes i say something that may be wrong and people look for holes in my arguements that arent really holes.
But THEY ARE HOLES. The only person who does not see that they are really holes is you.
The holes in your argument are so gigantic and massive, it’s not really fair to call them holes. A hole would imply that there is a void inside a something. But in this instance, there’s more void than something. There’s not enough stuff there to make a hole into.
It would be more appropriate to say that there are small arguments in your holes than to say that there are small holes in your argument.
What do you mean the drop of a dime? Too cheap to drop a quarter? What a fuckin’ jerk you are, TSJC.
You should also be open to changing those opinions when they have been proven to be either misguided or flat out wrong.
i havent had any of my arguements proven wrong. we just agreed to disagree.
If you wanna go that way, then go with misguided, then. Wins are a poor way to judge a pitcher, a very, very poor way to judge a pitcher. Wins are a great way to judge a team, but not a player.
Not one person has yet to agree with your plea to disagree, let alone the substance of the arguments. They’ve said you’re wrong–not “yeah, difference of opinion.”
But I agree with you, if it’s any consolation.
Just curious, how old are you?
I’m 29, btw.
i havent had any of my arguements proven wrong. we just agreed to disagree.
No.
ALL your arguments have been proven wrong. What hasn’t happened is, you haven’t proven any of your arguments right.
You say ‘agreed to disagree’, I say ‘you’re the only fucking dumbass who can’t figure out that you’re absolutely, 100%, wrong’.
Tomatoes, tomahtoes.
Don’t ruin this for me by scaring him off, as tall a task as even that may seem. This is a good confidence booster for my second go-round of the LSATs. Before this, I’d been using Mr. Nipples’ (my diaper-wearing cat) urine spots on reading comprehension answer choices as a confidence booster. I’m right far more often than he is. But this is way better. This is all i have to live for right now. Don’t take it away. I’m begging you.
IETCVM.
And by the way, for any “It’s Always Sunny” fans (I’m looking at you Mondesi), doesn’t this post sound like the ramblings of Charlie?
Wild card!
Dude… Charlie has a better grip on reason and reality, while he’s huffing spray-paint, than this guy.
PS: Nice timing, I just stumbled back in here and perused this crazy thread.
Lol. Have you seen the commercial with Charlie’s “kitten mittens”? Looks great.
Yeah, it’s hysterical. The look on his face when the cat flops off the table is pretty awesome. Very psyched for the new season.
thats why scaife wanted a long term deal and not just the 4.5m franchise tag
Ugh. Sometimes I hate consulting. Just got done prepping a spreadsheet (8:30-10:30 at night) for a client, lol.
At least you have the weekend, right?
Nope – gotta work on that damn actuarial credential, lol.
That’s a bummer. Hopefully you’re able to spend a little time drinking beer, eating good food and watching sports.
Wow. What a fumble.
OH SHIT Hines Ward with the Epic Fail.
TSJC Epic Fail. It’s Rothlisberger’s fault if they don’t win. WR’s don’t have W/L records, QB’s do, hence it’s all on the QB whether the team wins or loses.
Heh.
He clearly isn’t good enough at rallying Hines Ward around him to make him not fumble.
Yes. As we all know, rallying ability varies from year to year, so while he has 2 SB Rings, he clearly is not going to be a strong rallier this year. He certainly was a top notch rallier in their first Super Bowl, because he played horrendously, but after Ward’s fumble, it’s clear Ben’s rallying is not up to snuff this year.
Oh, and, btw, Kerry Collins totally got robbed. He was so the MVP of the 2008 NFL season.
Totally. Can’t argue with a 13-3 season. That’s all the K-man, right there.
Dudes… So I just perused this thread… A-Gonz has to get some sort of award or at least his own meme or something. I’ve been around here for a while and I don’t know that anyone has ever single-handedly taken over threads like this guy. This is an open thread on an off-night, and this guy’s got heads spontaneously combusting to the tune of 430 comments and counting. Seriously… However frustrating it is to any sentient being, it’s pretty incredible.
Like I said, this thread is fucking hilarious.
And, the clear winner for the meme:
[Person X] isn’t good enough at rallying his team behind him to prevent [Event Y].
/alexgonzalez’d
So it has been said, so it shall be written, so it shall be done.
Mosanna in the highest.
Freaking Jeff Reed.
I hate NFL overtime rules. Win the coin toss and gain about 50 yards, and you win. Both teams need to get the ball.
I don’t completely disagree. Howeva, you act like gaining 50 is easy. The game was 10-10 through 60 minutes.
Not easy per se, but too easy to allow games to be decided by that method.
FWIW:
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What.....in_the_NFL
60% is a huge advantage. That’s just too much to allot to the winner of a coin toss.