Comments on: The desire, but not the flexibility, to demote Joba http://riveraveblues.com/2009/09/the-desire-but-not-the-flexibility-to-demote-joba-17216/ A New York Yankees Blog Wed, 15 Feb 2012 07:19:25 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Joseph DelGrippo http://riveraveblues.com/2009/09/the-desire-but-not-the-flexibility-to-demote-joba-17216/#comment-584877 Joseph DelGrippo Thu, 17 Sep 2009 13:25:17 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=17216#comment-584877 The way the Braves used Tommy Hanson this season and the way the Orioles are using Chris Tillman and Brian Matusz is indicative of the new trend of limiting innings. While Joba has been played around a bit this year, he has (as Joe P pointed out above) made a start every five days except for the brief period in August. Intead of that situation, which only caused more questions and headaches, it would have been better if the Yankees went the route the Dodgers did with Clayton Kershaw. Every five days, no riddles or excuses. Take him out after five if they are trailing, leave him in if he is crusing with a lead. Then you can remove him earlier if the team extends the lead in the middle innings. But the Dodgers did have the luxury of two full seasons of starts for Kershaw before this year. Bottom line their is no rhyme or reason, just let the kid pitch, but not until the ALCS. Unless Joba starts in the ALDS, he shouldn't make the team. http://josephdelgrippo.wordpress.com/2009/09/10/joba-should-not-be-on-the-alds-roster-if-he-will-not-get-a-start/ The way the Braves used Tommy Hanson this season and the way the Orioles are using Chris Tillman and Brian Matusz is indicative of the new trend of limiting innings.

While Joba has been played around a bit this year, he has (as Joe P pointed out above) made a start every five days except for the brief period in August.

Intead of that situation, which only caused more questions and headaches, it would have been better if the Yankees went the route the Dodgers did with Clayton Kershaw. Every five days, no riddles or excuses.

Take him out after five if they are trailing, leave him in if he is crusing with a lead. Then you can remove him earlier if the team extends the lead in the middle innings.

But the Dodgers did have the luxury of two full seasons of starts for Kershaw before this year.

Bottom line their is no rhyme or reason, just let the kid pitch, but not until the ALCS. Unless Joba starts in the ALDS, he shouldn’t make the team.

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]]> By: Mikey K-9 http://riveraveblues.com/2009/09/the-desire-but-not-the-flexibility-to-demote-joba-17216/#comment-584662 Mikey K-9 Thu, 17 Sep 2009 04:23:11 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=17216#comment-584662 Joba !! Joba !!

]]> By: Gary Rosenfeld http://riveraveblues.com/2009/09/the-desire-but-not-the-flexibility-to-demote-joba-17216/#comment-584453 Gary Rosenfeld Thu, 17 Sep 2009 02:57:11 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=17216#comment-584453 This is concerning last night brawl. Yes Jorge should of let it go, but let's look at what should of be done. 1. The umpire has to shoulder alot of what happened. Why wasnt there warnings given after the second hit bats men. Also 2. Why was the pitcher of Toronto standing in that area, is't the correct place for him is to back up the catcher on a play at home plate not on the side the runner is running????? I think this should of never happened after that pitcher threw behind Jorge He should of been thrown out. everyone saw what his intent was. This is just my thoughts on this unfortunte situation. This is concerning last night brawl. Yes Jorge should of let it go, but let’s look at what should of be done. 1. The umpire has to shoulder alot of what happened. Why wasnt there warnings given after the second hit bats men. Also 2. Why was the pitcher of Toronto standing in that area, is’t the correct place for him is to back up the catcher on a play at home plate not on the side the runner is running????? I think this should of never happened after that pitcher threw behind Jorge He should of been thrown out. everyone saw what his intent was. This is just my thoughts on this unfortunte situation.

]]> By: NYYank55 http://riveraveblues.com/2009/09/the-desire-but-not-the-flexibility-to-demote-joba-17216/#comment-583540 NYYank55 Wed, 16 Sep 2009 22:50:37 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=17216#comment-583540 How can anyone say that the Yankees AREN"T screwing with Joba? It's no secret that the only way to build arm strength is by pitching. Limiting his innings to protect his arm should have been done at the beginning of the season not now. Just when it looked like he was finally getting his velocity up to 94-96 mph, they decided to reduce his innings. Now they have to build him back up again to go 100 pitches before the playoffs begin. I not a pitching coach, but to me this will cause more strain on a young arm than just letting him go. Also what incentive can any one have knowing that when they go out to the mound to start a game they can only get a no decision or a loss? How does that boost your confidence? That is what the Yankees are doing to Joba right know. How can anyone say that the Yankees AREN”T screwing with Joba?
It’s no secret that the only way to build arm strength is by pitching. Limiting his innings to protect his arm should have been done at the beginning of the season not now. Just when it looked like he was finally getting his velocity up to 94-96 mph, they decided to reduce his innings. Now they have to build him back up again to go 100 pitches before the playoffs begin. I not a pitching coach, but to me this will cause more strain on a young arm than just letting him go. Also what incentive can any one have knowing that when they go out to the mound to start a game they can only get a no decision or a loss? How does that boost your confidence? That is what the Yankees are doing to Joba right know.

]]> By: Ed http://riveraveblues.com/2009/09/the-desire-but-not-the-flexibility-to-demote-joba-17216/#comment-583528 Ed Wed, 16 Sep 2009 22:43:08 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=17216#comment-583528 <i>How bout you just shut him down when he reaches his innings limit. Plain and simple. Just shut his a$$ down.</i> If the team wasn't using the 9th or so option for starters in the rotation right now, they'd probably be considering that. How bout you just shut him down when he reaches his innings limit. Plain and simple. Just shut his a$$ down.

If the team wasn’t using the 9th or so option for starters in the rotation right now, they’d probably be considering that.

]]> By: Free Mike Vick http://riveraveblues.com/2009/09/the-desire-but-not-the-flexibility-to-demote-joba-17216/#comment-583526 Free Mike Vick Wed, 16 Sep 2009 22:40:54 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=17216#comment-583526 they skipped him for 9 days(once.) there you happy? now...they went back to pitching every 5 days...and starting 3 FREAKING INNINGS PER OUTING IN SEPTEMBER!!!111!!1! they skipped him for 9 days(once.)

there you happy?

now…they went back to pitching every 5 days…and starting 3 FREAKING INNINGS PER OUTING IN SEPTEMBER!!!111!!1!

]]> By: Benjamin Kabak http://riveraveblues.com/2009/09/the-desire-but-not-the-flexibility-to-demote-joba-17216/#comment-583521 Benjamin Kabak Wed, 16 Sep 2009 22:36:17 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=17216#comment-583521 <em>because this skipping him 9 days…then back to 5…tthen 3 inning starts is just a waste of time. imo</em> I don't understand why this is so hard for you to grasp. Here. I'll bold it for you: <strong>The Yankees did that one time. Once. That's it.</strong> You make it sound as though they spent the summer doing that when, in fact, they did not. Get over it. because this skipping him 9 days…then back to 5…tthen 3 inning starts is just a waste of time. imo

I don’t understand why this is so hard for you to grasp. Here. I’ll bold it for you: The Yankees did that one time. Once. That’s it.

You make it sound as though they spent the summer doing that when, in fact, they did not. Get over it.

]]> By: Riddering http://riveraveblues.com/2009/09/the-desire-but-not-the-flexibility-to-demote-joba-17216/#comment-583519 Riddering Wed, 16 Sep 2009 22:34:53 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=17216#comment-583519 Now that the Yankee brass has settled the B-Jobber debate for all but the delusional, I'm getting tired of the idea some put out there that Joba would pitch better if he wasn't so sure of his role in the majors. That he actually prefers pitching only 4 innings so he can sit in the dugout and eat pork grinds for the rest of the game. Thankfully, this post took a different direction but that quote from Sherman's article seems full of it. Now that the Yankee brass has settled the B-Jobber debate for all but the delusional, I’m getting tired of the idea some put out there that Joba would pitch better if he wasn’t so sure of his role in the majors. That he actually prefers pitching only 4 innings so he can sit in the dugout and eat pork grinds for the rest of the game.

Thankfully, this post took a different direction but that quote from Sherman’s article seems full of it.

]]> By: Free Mike Vick http://riveraveblues.com/2009/09/the-desire-but-not-the-flexibility-to-demote-joba-17216/#comment-583518 Free Mike Vick Wed, 16 Sep 2009 22:34:06 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=17216#comment-583518 Fine if you don't want him to start the year at AAA... How bout you just shut him down when he reaches his innings limit. Plain and simple. Just shut his a$$ down. don't even let him see September...because this skipping him 9 days...then back to 5...tthen 3 inning starts is just a waste of time. imo...you might aswell not even have him pitch if thats how you are going to use him down the stretch Fine if you don’t want him to start the year at AAA…

How bout you just shut him down when he reaches his innings limit. Plain and simple. Just shut his a$$ down.

don’t even let him see September…because this skipping him 9 days…then back to 5…tthen 3 inning starts is just a waste of time. imo…you might aswell not even have him pitch if thats how you are going to use him down the stretch

]]> By: Joseph Pawlikowski http://riveraveblues.com/2009/09/the-desire-but-not-the-flexibility-to-demote-joba-17216/#comment-583508 Joseph Pawlikowski Wed, 16 Sep 2009 22:18:18 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=17216#comment-583508 "If a player gets hurt…he gets hurt. Thats the bottomline. I would NEVER say a player is more likely to get hurt at a certain point then another" That's the point. If he gets hurt and starts the season late, that's even MORE time that he's out. If he starts the season on time and gets hurt, there's still a chance he can salvage the season. “If a player gets hurt…he gets hurt. Thats the bottomline. I would NEVER say a player is more likely to get hurt at a certain point then another”

That’s the point. If he gets hurt and starts the season late, that’s even MORE time that he’s out. If he starts the season on time and gets hurt, there’s still a chance he can salvage the season.

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