The unreliable Brian Bruney

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Brian Bruney wondering where it all went wrongSmall sample sizes can be cruel. Just four, four-and-a-half months ago there was a big chunk of Yankee Universe that thought, that knew Brian Bruney was the answer to the Yanks’ perpetual 8th inning question. After all, the guy had just rattled off an unreal April: 8 IP, 3 H, 3 R, 2 BB, 12 K. In the middle of the month, he had a stretch where he struck out 12 in just 6.2 IP over seven appearances without allowing a baserunner.

But then Bruney got hurt, as a balky throwing elbow landed him on disabled list. He came back about four weeks later, presumably healthy, and fired a perfect inning against the Orioles in what appeared to be the first attempt at easing him back into that 8th inning role. Next thing you know, Bruney’s back on the DL with the same elbow problem because he wasn’t truthful with the organization, telling them he felt good when he really didn’t. Classic meathead syndrome, the guy thought he could pitch through it and still be a positive contributor to the club.

Four weeks after the setback, Bruney returned, this time for good. Except now the Yankees weren’t looking for an 8th inning guy – Phil Hughes took that and ran with it. They didn’t even need a 6th or 7th inning guy really, because Al Aceves had been masterful in the middle innings. Bruney was just another guy in the pen, but if he performed like he had earlier in the season, those high leverage late inning opportunities would eventually fall into his lap.

Except Bruney never returned to his April highs, not even close. Since returning from the DL on June 16th, Bruney’s allowed 41 baserunners in 20.2 IP, giving up five homers in the process. Opponents are hitting .310-.416-.548 off him in that time, so he’s turning everyone into Chase Utley. After a particularly dreadful stretch in July, Bruney didn’t allow a run in 8.2 IP from August 7th to the 31st. The problem is that he handed five inherited runners over to whoever relieved him in that time (three of those five were left in scoring position), and somehow none came around to score. Bruney gets no credit for those scoreless frames, he left a mess that someone else had to cleanup.

Bruney hasn’t struck out at batter since August 11th, seven appearances and six innings ago. His walks were always offset by his high strikeout rate, which coming into this year sat at exactly 9.0 K/9. The velocity is still there, but he’s just not making his pitches these days. He’s a liability whenever he enters a game, but the Yankees have such a large lead in the division (99.96542% chance of making the playoffs) late in the season that they can afford to keep running Bruney out there in an effort to get him back on track.

As it stands now, Bruney is no better than on the playoff roster bubble. There’s no fewer than three righthanders ahead of him on the relief pitcher depth chart, and there’s a distinct possibility he could be left home in October if favor of a long man or an extra lefty reliever. There’s really no need for the team to carry seven relievers in October just to stroke Bruney’s ego, the Rays left Edwin Jackson home in the ALDS and ALCS last year, and he was far more important to Tampa’s team last year than Bruney is to this year’s Yankee club.

Furthermore, with a glut of relief options in the majors and minors, Bruney may not have a spot on next year’s team. He’s out of options and entering his second year of arbitration, and the Yanks may not want to keep a rather expensive, ineffective reliever around when they have kids coming up who at the very least can be equally as unreliable at a fraction of the price. A nontender is always a possibility, but with that kind of power arm you’d think they could get at least something for him, even if it’s a Grade-C prospect. His salary could be prohibitive, though.

Of course, Bruney could render those last two paragraphs moot if he turns it around in the next month. We’ve seen him get hot, and when he’s on a roll he can make batters look silly. Right now though, I cringe whenever I see him walk through the bullpen door.

Photo Credit: Keivom, NY Daily News

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  • A.D.

    At this point, I don’t see why they would want to take Bruney on the playoff roster, he’s been pretty dreadful of late, and the only upside is that he hopefully turns it back around. Right now figure Mo, Hughes, Coke, Marte, Aceves, D-Rob are all planted ahead of him, and personally I’d rather take Melancon over Bruney, making it tough to squeeze his way onto a roster.

    • Jeffrey

      I agree, they should leave Bruney home. I’m always left holding my breath when he comes into a game.

      Melancon pitched pretty good once he got comfortable in his meager 11.1 IP out of the pen. Have to see what he can do in September when he is called up before he can be considered.

  • Makavelli

    This is by no means to come across as an “I told you so.” But I remember at the beginning when there was a lot of Bruney supporters and I was skeptical. The small sample size was just too much for me to push to the side. I won’t deny that the guy (at the time) was doing phenominal and he looked to be in great shape…but still…it was just too little of a sample size.

    It’s funny how players can be or look so dominant for a certain period of time…and then seem like they had forgotten what they were doing that whole time. Doesn’t necessarily mean that’s the case…but it seems that way sometimes.

    • http://twitter.com/JamalG Jamal G.

      You really were skeptical after his 2008 campaign and the start to the 2009 one? I have a hard time surmising a valid reason as to why.

      • Makavelli

        I’m skeptical with any reliever, not named Mariano Rivera, on our staff. Unless they are nasty starters bumped to the reliever role part-time also.

        I just don’t buy relievers as being consistent. They’re inconsistent by nature…that’s why they’re where they are. So, while they may put together some good outings and make you think a little bit…reality and common sense tells us that it probably won’t last…and it didn’t.

        • Mike bk

          then i guess you dont get any credit for being skeptical if you are for all of them except for mo because you are bound to be right sometime.

          • Makavelli

            Never said I was looking for any credit on being skeptical. Just wanted to explain my point of view on middle of the road relievers, basically.

      • Ed

        I’m agreeing completely with Makavelli on this one.

        His 2008 was a 3 week stint, a little over 3 months off, then a 2 month stint. That’s not just a small sample, that’s two separate small samples, one of which was a fraction of the size of the other. You’re got an 11 inning sample and a 23 inning sample.

        In 2009 he pitched 8 innings before getting hurt.

        If he pulled all of that off in one straight run, I’d start to have faith. You can find 20-30 inning stretches where any reliever looks good. Look at Fransworth’s game logs for last year – you can find several 20-30 inning stretches where he pitch to about a 2.8 ERA if you start the range right after a bad outing. If you limit it to around 10-11 inning stretches, you can find several periods where he pitched better than Bruney did in his small samples.

        Just look back at Bruney’s career. It’s full of stretches of dominance followed by totally losing control.

    • A.D.

      This is by no means to come across as an “I told you so.” But I remember at the beginning when there was a lot of Bruney supporters and I was skeptical.

      By bringing up saying “I told you so”, almost certainly will make something come across as “I told you so”

      Otherwise I agree, Bruney’s success was over a small sample size, which everyone wanted to hope was him finally realizing his potential. In general that’s the issue with guys coming up that are touted to some extent or another, once there’s any success people say they’ve finally arrived. Its true (so far) of Bruney that everyone though he had finally found the form that was going to make him a future closer back in the day.

    • toad

      Good or bad results over small number of performances do not mean you won’t continue to do well or badly. There’s absolutely no logic that says that.

      All the small sample means is that the results obtained are more likely to be far away – in either direction – from true long-run performance levels than results over a longer period. The “standard error” is large.

  • Nady Nation

    I’m not gonna say I told you so, but – I did end up telling you so, didn’t I?

    • Makavelli

      You should tell yourself so about the reply button sometime

      • Nady Nation

        Stop making me out to be the villain for no reason!

        • Makavelli

          Here we go with this again…

          • http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/04/10/alg_aj-burnett.jpg Mike Pop

            Axl, you literally said every Yankee prospect sucked from what I remember. You were in your Accounting class with some teacher you couldn’t understand and was pissed because Bowden came in and dominated, when Melancon didn’t or some shit.

            You saying I told you so, wow. Finally, you were right. I call it how I see it, not trying to be a dick but when you consistently bash the bullpen and the Yankees like you did/do when they were/are losing. You are going to be right, ya sure. But you have also been wrong, wrong, and wrong.

            I’m not going to say I told you that you were wrong, but ya, you kind of were.

            • Makavelli

              Mr. Pop,

              Your hatred or predetermined reputation you have given me have skewed most of your memory.

              A reminder, it’s a lot easier to be calm, cool, and collected when you live in New York surrounded by fellow Yankees fans. As I’ve stated, I live in the Norther part of CT where it’s Red Sox country and all of my friends are Sox fans. You never hear the end of anything. After having your back against the wall going back and forth with them…sometimes you need a little reassurance or boost of confidence…in which I came here for.

              I also don’t recall claiming that ALL our prospects sucked. I remember, AT THE TIME, all of the Red Sox prospects that were called up had either won a ROY, MVP, was making a bid for Cy Young, etc…along with random Jeff Bailey’s, Nick Green’s, and Josh Reddick’s hitting out of their shoes…while our prospects or newly major leaguers were seemingly dormant at the time.

              I was frustrated.

              Maybe sitting peacefully in New York or New Jersey is different as it should be…but I battle back and forth with my friends all the time and needed some reassurance and/or a confidence boost…and instead of providing that…it was easier to gang up on people on a message board instead. Which is fine…because I understand I came across as a “troll” or an “ass” and nothing positive. But from that point on…there was barely any chance to even attempt to turn the corner. People had already made their minds up. And it’s kind of hard to turn a corner when everybody’s mind is already made up.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                A reminder, it’s a lot easier to be calm, cool, and collected when you live in New York surrounded by fellow Yankees fans. As I’ve stated, I live in the Norther part of CT where it’s Red Sox country and all of my friends are Sox fans. You never hear the end of anything. After having your back against the wall going back and forth with them…sometimes you need a little reassurance or boost of confidence…in which I came here for.

                You keep saying this. We don’t give a shit. Learn some coping techniques, or get some drugs. Deal with it.

                • A.D.

                  +1

                • jsbrendog

                  seconded

    • Nady Nation

      Ugh, reply fail. That was meant for Makavelli.

  • Makavelli

    Classic meathead syndrome, the guy thought he could pitch through it and still be a positive contributor to the club.

    I love this comment. So true. Although to REALLY put this image together…you should think of him telling the Yankees organization he’s fine wearing an Ed Hardy t-shirt or any other “TapOut”, “BadBoy”, graphic tee for that matter…

  • Frank

    He’s certainly on the playoff roster bubble. And if Coke doesn’t start pitching better, he may join Bruney.

  • Chris

    99.96542% chance of making the playoffs

    I don’t buy all those fancy metrics. My eyes tell me the Yankees have a 99.96543% chance of making the playoffs.

    • Makavelli

      Those are some pretty good eyes…you’re really close.

      But you were just off. It’s 99.96542%

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

        He rounds up.

        • Bob Stone

          ietcvm

    • thurdonpaul

      ditto, my eyes see the same

    • jsbrendog

      your eyes are good enough to be a pro scout if not for talentless minor leaguers

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      They’ve done studies, you know. 60% of the time, we make the playoffs, every time.

      • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

        Teh Evil Empire is made from real babies, so it has to be good. Illegal in nine countries.

        • jsbrendog

          you’ve got me there sir

    • Bob Stone

      ietc

  • Cam

    When the cameras turned their site on the Yanks bullpen last night, I was almost certain we’d see Phil for 2 innings. Then Bruney comes trotting out which caught me so much by surprise that I blurted out ‘what the hell is Bruney coming in for?’. Definitely does not instill conidence right now.

  • Gregorio

    Funny enough I got Bruney’s signature at the game yesterday, and he gives up a home run during the game, to make it 3-2; BUT I did get Johnny Damon’s signature too on the same baseball, and he went 4-5, too bad Bruney kind of lowers the value of the baseball for me….lol

    • Makavelli

      You can call Bruney’s John Hancock a “signature” but I think once you get to Johnny Damon’s status you can firmly call it an “autograph” lol

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      too bad Bruney kind of lowers the value of the baseball for me….lol

      Squeaky-voiced bellhop: Tip?
      Homer: Oh, here, take this.
      [hands bellhop his Grammy Award]
      Squeaky-voiced bellhop: HEY, AN AWARD STATUE! I– oh, it’s a Grammy.
      [throws the Grammy off the balcony]
      Man on Street Below (off camera): Hey, don’t throw your trash down here!
      [throws the Grammy back up at Homer, hitting him in the head]

  • Tampa Yankee

    So, playoff staff is:

    1. CC 2. AJ 3. Andy 4. Joba 5. Mo 6. Hughes 7. Marte 8. Aceves
    9. DRob

    with and 10. and 11. two of Coke, Bruney, Gaudin or Melancon depending on who pitches the best done the stretch?

    • Makavelli

      Mitre pitched well in his last outing…he’ll be battling Gaudin for a spot I believe.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Albaladejo’s in the mix too.

        • Makavelli

          He wasn’t even part of the September call-ups though was he?

          • JGS

            Only because he got in the face playing catch. He’ll be with the club in a few days

            • Makavelli

              Ahh veddy nice…

            • vin

              Yeah, but he can’t even play catch without getting hit in the face. Doesn’t sound like playoff caliber to me.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside
              • Makavelli

                LOL. Pretty hilarious

              • Klemy

                No doubt. lol

    • POCKO

      If you need a long reliever I wouldnt mind having melancon who can throw 3 innings if necessary. If we need more then that we are screwed anyway.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      I’d take Gaudin over Mitre as the long man because he misses bats.

      I’d probably go Coke over the other guys, but you can play this one by ear. If they play a RHB heavy team in the ALDS, they can leave him off. If it’s a LHB heavy opponent, then take him.

      • Chris

        I’d take Gaudin over Mitre as the long man because he misses bats.

        I’d go the other way. They have a ton of relievers that miss bats, but there is value in having a guy out of the pen who can get ground balls (which hopefully lead to DPs). Mitre, Albaladejo and Melancon are the only relievers who get more than 50% ground balls, and Mitre has the best GB:FB ratio.

      • Jeffrey

        Definitely better with the strikeout guy like Gaudin. Although, if Mitre pitches again like he did last time you might have to give him more thought.

      • Bo

        Mitre cannot be on a playoff roster.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          (thinks about it for a second)

          Nope, you’re wrong, he can.

    • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

      you dont like meattray?

  • pc

    bruney is a poor mans burnett, you need consistency out of the bullpen and that is not what you get from bruney, nyy have similar right handed arms that are younger, i say trade him in the off season and move on.

  • Bill

    Bruney is awful. He needs to go..

  • Billy

    with the need for 40-man space next year, it wouldnt suprise me if bruney is dealt in the offseason. he has proven two things in his tenure as a yankee
    1) he cant stay healthy for the duration of the season
    2) when he is healthy, he is very inconsistent
    why keep him next year if he’s gonna do the same things?

    • Chris

      They’ll be fine for spots on the 40-man roster. It’s the fact that he’s out of options that will likely be his demise, but I would guess that he will start 2010 with the Yankees (just like Jose Veras).

      • jsbrendog

        and then we sell him to a team falling fast who’s bullpen implodes and will try anyone to fix it (just like jose veras)

  • jsbrendog

    if they held onto veras for as long as they did and kept trying to get him right i don’t see why they wouldn’t with bruney.

    bruney has the potential and has shown he can harness it and has yet to be veras bad…

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      And:

      Bad Bruney >> Bad Veras
      Good Bruney >>>>>>>>>> Good Veras

      • Makavelli

        Falling down the stairs > Watching Jose Veras pitch in a close game for your team

        • Billy

          falling down the stairs > reading your comments

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Damn, Axavelli, you’re making enemies faster than I am!

            • Makavelli

              Ah, I’m not impressed anymore. They’re starting to do it because they think it’s trendy or something.

              I’ll say this though. At least I’m interesting with my posts. “Billy’s” posts feel as though they weigh a hundred pounds and are resting on top of my eye-lids. Zzzzzzzz

              • Billy

                “at least i’m interesting with my posts”
                not only are your posts not interesting, you fail in your attempts to make them funny. the only reason you post on this site is because you think you are some type of “villian”. youre actually more of a pest. and your name mispells the alias of 2Pac.

                • jsbrendog

                  i like this guy better than two-pack

                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N.....achiavelli

                • Makavelli

                  “Billy”,

                  Your comments are repetative and unnecessary.

                  For example:
                  (Please note times)
                  pc says:

                  September 3rd, 2009 at 12:15 pm
                  bruney is a poor mans burnett, you need consistency out of the bullpen and that is not what you get from bruney, nyy have similar right handed arms that are younger, i say trade him in the off season and move on.

                  AND

                  Billy says:

                  September 3rd, 2009 at 12:19 pm
                  with the need for 40-man space next year, it wouldnt suprise me if bruney is dealt in the offseason. he has proven two things in his tenure as a yankee
                  1) he cant stay healthy for the duration of the season
                  2) when he is healthy, he is very inconsistent
                  why keep him next year if he’s gonna do the same things?

                  Are you saying I should try and repeat what’s already been said more instead? Is that the key to success in your eyes?

                  Advice: Pull your head out of the toilet.

                • Billy

                  na ‘Pac is better. you must not be a big fan of rap music.

                • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

                  Nicolo>>>>>>>>>Ty Cobb

                  he had hundreds stabbed!

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  Billy says:
                  September 3rd, 2009 at 12:50 pm

                  na ‘Pac is better. you must not be a big fan of rap music.

                  I am a big fan of both rap music and political science.

                  Machiavelli the political scientist >>>>>> Makaveli/2Pac the rapper

                • Makavelli

                  So TSJC,

                  Your final list would look something like this?

                  Makavelli (RAB Poster and Ladies Afficianado) > Machiavelli (political scientist) > Makaveli/2pac (rapper)

                  ?

                  Not bad…I’d have to agree…

                • Billy

                  why? all machiavelli wrote about is how to fake one’s own death and be a heartless douche.

                • Makavelli

                  why? all machiavelli wrote about is how to fake one’s own death and be a heartless douche.

                  I guess you’re right. Being a Renaissance Man is very overrated these days…

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  Knock it all you want to, but The Prince was an epic work of political thought and the genesis of the realpolitik theories of today.

                  2Pac made a couple of decent albums, several of which were way overhyped (including The Don Killuminati Theory, which was hot garbage). I’m sorry, no. There’s a reason he took that name, he’s paying homage to someone greater than himself.

                  Call me back when Mr. Shakur has his name turned into an adjective.

                • Billy

                  2Pac was more influential than Machiavelli. He is one of the first names you think of in rap. i dont know much about philosophy, but i dont think machiavelli was ever that influential.

                • Makavelli

                  Billy says:

                  September 3rd, 2009 at 1:13 pm

                  2Pac was more influential than Machiavelli. He is one of the first names you think of in rap. i dont know much about philosophy, but i dont think machiavelli was ever that influential.

                  And people are taking this guys side over mine??

                  Sheesh. This world is in rougher shape than I thought…

                • http://z.about.com/d/tvcomedies/1/0/F/-/-/-/judge310_72.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                  “i dont know much about philosophy, but i dont think machiavelli was ever that influential.”

                  I’m sorry, but this is why you are very wrong. You don’t know what you’re talking about. 2Pac will not have anything close to the impact of Machiavelli 500 years after his death. Not to mention you’re comparing one of the titans of philosophy/political science to an entertainer. Just stop this silliness.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  2Pac was more influential than Machiavelli. He is one of the first names you think of in rap. i dont know much about philosophy, but i dont think machiavelli was ever that influential.

                  This has to be satire. HAS to be.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  Calvin and Hobbes from Calvin and Hobbes >>>>> John Calvin and Thomas Hobbes

                • Billy

                  i can say with certainty that 2Pac has more fans than Machiavelli has readers

                • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

                  The greatest rapper of all time died on March 9th?

                • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

                  Calvin and Hobbes from Calvin and Hobbes >>>>> John Calvin and Thomas Hobbes

                  best strip ever from C&H:

                  TV sitting there, and says ‘opiate of the masses? they ain’t seen nothin’ yet.’

                • Billy

                  no he died in september of ’96. ‘Pac destroyed Biggie. Biggie has nothin on ‘Pac

                • jsbrendog

                  i can say with certainty that 2Pac has more fans than Machiavelli has readers

                  oh. my. fucking. god.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  Billy says:

                  i can say with certainty that 2Pac has more fans than Machiavelli has readers

                  Seriously, Billy, stop. You’re embarrassing yourself.

                • http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/04/10/alg_aj-burnett.jpg Mike Pop

                  This is not important right now.

                  Let’s keep it on topic.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside
                • Billy

                  i havent met ONE person who has read machiavelli

                • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

                  jsbrendog, i bring you this publi cservice announcement:

                  We, from the Committee of People Who Think Counting is Hard want to remind you, sometimes, people can’t count. Cause its hard. Be nice to them…remember the kittehs.

                  Sincerely, the four people who love you,

                  Brittney Spears
                  Jorge Posada
                  Tim Geithner

                • Makavelli

                  Yeah, these posts are much better than mine ever were…what was I thinking?

                  [puts head down and shakes head]

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  Billy says:
                  i havent met ONE person who has read machiavelli

                  Not only does that not prove anything, I’m quite certain it’s wrong. You most assuredly have met one person who has read Machiavelli, unless you were raised by wolves in the middle of the arctic wilderness. You just don’t know that they’ve read Machiavelli.

                • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

                  (cue theoretical joe morgan)

                  you can’t say he hasn’t, and i’m inclined to believe he, in fact, has not.

                  of course, that says more for his company than your argument…

                • Billy

                  so reading machiavelli is the standard to judge people by? i didnt know that

                • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

                  so reading machiavelli is the standard to judge people by? i didnt know that

                  a) bruney read The Prince
                  b) so reading machiavelli is the standard to judge people by? just end the sentence, no need for teh prepositions!!11!!! at the end.

          • Tom Zig

            Billy – 1
            Axavelli – 0

            • Makavelli

              Nobody Cares – 1
              Tom Zig – 0

              • http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/04/10/alg_aj-burnett.jpg Mike Pop

                I care Tom Zig.

                • Makavelli

                  Add one more to the Trendy-mobile…

                • jsbrendog

                  fire up the bangwagon

                • Nady Nation

                  I’d love to sit shotgun, if the seat’s not taken.

                • Makavelli

                  There’s plenty of room…

                  Just pop your collar, start rooting for the Red Sox, and hate on Makavelli on a baseball message board chat…and you’re in!

                • Tubby

                  I think Chone Figgins is riding shotgun on this bangwagon.

                • Makavelli

                  And rightfully so…

                • jsbrendog

                  ::points to the bangwagon::

                  yeah, but this is a yankees bangwagon….complete with evil empire music playing horn..

                • Makavelli

                  But how can everybody be trendy…not like the Red Sox…love the Yankees…and absolutely hate a fellow Yankees fan on a message board?

                  ::Trendy Ringleader points to the RAB sticker on the side of the car::

                  “That’s how…”

                  lol

    • Billy

      yeah but can they afford to keep him? the yankees have alot of players they need to protect from the rule 5 next year. roster spots will be hard to come by. do you keep bruney and risk, say, ivan nova being claimed next year?

      • jsbrendog

        depends. that is a question you can’t answer until the offseason hiyeva

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          that is a question you can’t answer until the offseason hiyeva

          (fighting the urge to make a Theoretical Joe Morgan joke)

          • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

            ahhh…i can feel it…give in to the dark side TJSC…

          • jsbrendog

            but it is. if you don’t resign matsui/damon whoever or you haven’t targeted any free agents pre rule V draft then that opens up mroe 40 man spots with which to save bruney. then you can always trade him later.

            if your 40 is ful due to damon/matsui/someone else and there’s more important non relievers you need to protect then yeah bye bye bruney.

            no?

            but i asked who would be the mvp right now

            well i can’t say that because the season is not over yet

            • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

              not that i need it or anything, but when is the rule five class for noobs?

              its not for me, its for a friend…

              • jsbrendog

                this made me laugh.

                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_V_Draft

                tell your friend it is ok. ;-)

              • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

                Not til October. Here’s my R5 primer from 2007:

                http://tinyurl.com/kt2myh

                And here’s my live blog from last year’s R5, which tsjc said was the greatest moment in internet since 2 Girls 1 Cup.

                http://tinyurl.com/nfncuk

                • jsbrendog

                  Organizations may also draft players from AA or lower to play for their AAA affiliates (for $12,000) and may draft players from A teams or lower to play for their AA affiliates (for $4,000).

                  this i did not know

                • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

                  greatest moment in internet since 2 Girls 1 Cup.

                  i dont think ‘greatest’ means what you think it means…

                  on a side note, i saw we take EVERYONE of Boston’s unprotected A and AA players this year–total cost, less than a million bucks.

                  Then trade them all in obscene trades: we’ll give you seven outfielders for a pitcher, etc. We get unreal return on those trades, and best of all:

                  We become hated like some…’Evil Empire’ and Bud Selig creates a new rule just for us.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  And here’s my live blog from last year’s R5, which tsjc said was the greatest moment in internet since 2 Girls 1 Cup.

                  Did I really say that? I say so much, sometimes I forget what jewels I’ve already dropped.

                • jsbrendog

                  not only would i like to subscribe to your newsletter but I would like to become an investor.

  • http://sportssandwich.com Sports Sandwich

    It’s been downhill since he shaved his head in the spring. A cranky elbow is like a black eye – it just don’t matter for a pitcher. Let me tell you, it was that one trip the barber that’s messed him up – the barber said something or did something to his head. In fact, barbers always screw people up. Remember Randy Johnson and his mullet? Well, after he shaved that and his mustache/goatee, he bombed. Remember the Giambino and his clean-shaved mug? Well, last year he says he ain’t going to no barber, and grows one of the greatest mustaches in recent history (though it was no contest with Rollie Fingers). And what happens? He just puts up 32 HR and stays off the DL.

    To put it briefly, the barber doomed Brian Bruney.

    • JobaWockeeZ

      IETC.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      For the last time, Mattingly, SHAVE THOSE SIDEBURNS!!!

    • Bob Stone

      Very funny observation.

  • mryankee

    “You kids should not play so rough someone is going to start crying” Mr Blonde Reservoir Dogs

    • jsbrendog

      multiple interrobangs???

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Yeah, mryankee, that’s the second time you’ve used that quote.

      It didn’t make sense either time, nor was it used as a humorous rejoinder to any conversation.

      Keep practicing…

      • http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/04/10/alg_aj-burnett.jpg Mike Pop

        It’s just been revoked.

        I’ll have what she’s having.

        /Family Guy’d

  • http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/04/10/alg_aj-burnett.jpg Mike Pop

    Meh.

    I give him another year, just because there are options in the minors doesn’t mean they can work out. Bruney can be real filthy, and I think it is worth the risk to hold onto him.

    It looked like he figured it out before the injury, but he’s just been off the boat ever since the first dl stint. Kind of sucks, but for what 2-3 million? I say he is worth the risk of bringing him back. We all boasted about how the Yanks have so many relief options prior to the season, and now unfortunately we see Hughes in the pen. I don’t want to see the same for Z-Mac.

    • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

      i dont think its the money, its the 40 man spot…

      • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

        But who has proven for at least a stretch of time, that he deserves a 40 man spot over Bruney? I’d much rather lose Edwar or Claggett off of the 40 man before Bruney.

        • http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/04/10/alg_aj-burnett.jpg Mike Pop

          I’d much rather lose Edwar or Claggett off of the 40 man before Bruney.

          No doubt. Bruney has proven over stretches of time he can be a dominant reliever. We all believed in him prior to his struggles this year, we shouldn’t give up on him so soon.

          Might end up kicking ourselves later.

          • http://z.about.com/d/tvcomedies/1/0/F/-/-/-/judge310_72.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

            I’m with you guys on this one. No, Bruney will never be dominant over a long-term. But very few relievers in the non-Mo (or, to be fair, non top closer) division ever get consistent results like that. The bullpen is the place where you take gambles on guys like Bruney. Very few guys are ever consistent out of the pen, but Bruney has the talent/stuff to dominate out there. You can’t teach what he’s got.

            Not saying you go nuts keeping him on the roster, but I definitely wouldn’t be so quick to bid him adieu just because he’s disappointed this season.

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      Agreed.

  • mryankee

    I dont like unreliable pitchers, seems to be an epidemic. Drob looks solid and I think now its time for Melncon to take a shot at Bruney’s role. Mr Bruney thank you for playing but its time security escorts you out of the building.

    • Bo

      Melancon has to get the chance to pass Bruney.

  • Billy

    Edited by RAB: Personal attacks will not be tolerated. This commenter has been banned.

    • jsbrendog

      dude. chill. jesus (not montero)

      plus, while you’re here, use the reply button.

      • Billy

        i couldnt reply to his comment. it didnt have a reply button on it

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Ugh. Knock it off, there’s no need for the personal attacks. That goes for you to Makavelli.

      • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

        That goes for you to too Makavelli.

        sorry :)

        • jsbrendog

          no you’re not…

          • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

            touche…touche…touche…

            damn!

            can’t make the accent shallow aigu.

            (insert tjsc’s eats shoots and leaves reference here)

        • http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/04/10/alg_aj-burnett.jpg Mike Pop

          That goes for you to too, Makavelli.

          Maybe?

          • Dirt

            that gos 4 u 2 mAkAvElLi

            maybe?

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

          Oh shush both of you.

          I’ve got my eyes on you two. I’ll remember this next time you make a typo.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            I’ve got my eyes on you two. I’ll remember this next time you make a typo.

            That’s blatant KingBaiting, Axisa.

            /FJM’d

      • Makavelli

        How does this make any sense at all? I make ZERO personal attacks on him and get lumped in after what he just said about me???

        What kind of a message board are you running here?

        • A.D.

          Preventative, it’s like warning both benches when only one player has gotten hit.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      OAKTAG all of this.

      • jsbrendog

        for christ’s sake won’t someone please thing of the children?!!

      • Billy

        what do you mean OAKTAG?

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          I could explain it to you, but honestly? I don’t want to.

    • Dirt

      Reading the whole thread in order, this seems hilariously out of place

      • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

        …kind of like curt schilling running for senate?

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          I laughed at that. Curt Schilling is a Republican who backed McCain.

          Maybe he thinks he’s running for the Senate seat of Nebraskachussetts.

          • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

            he’s claiming to be an independent now…

            i think i speak for all independents south of Massa..mass..ma…Boston when i say ‘we don’t like yer kind…’

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              You should volunteer to be his campaign manager. There’s nothing more fruitlessly hypothetical than Curt Schilling’s dreams of being a Massachusetts senator.

              • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

                meh.

                i’m already King…volunteer positions don’t appeal to me all that much right now…

                plus those comments below sorta scare me just a bit…

                I look at it this way:

                He’s a Sock, gotta hate him.
                Sarah Palin’s kinda hot…at least I can mute my TV…

                or you know, i could find somebody that represents my views and…nm…

          • Rick in Boston

            Laugh now, but it’s not like the voters up here are that bright. They’ll probably think he’s running for a senate seat in Red Sox Nation and vote him in.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              You know how people say “Never say never”?

              I’m saying never. I rag on the Massholes a lot, but they would NEVER let Ted Kennedy’s seat go to that asshat Curt Schilling. They’d elect Derek Jeter before they let Schilling inherit Kennedy’s seat.

              • Billy

                if it was anyone other than ted kennedy, they would vote schilling in

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  I hate to pull out the old ad hominem attack, but I’m going to:

                  Billy, you think that 2Pac the rapper has more influence than Machiavelli the political theorist. I don’t trust your handicapping powers on how the Massachusetts electorate will vote, sorry.

                  Normally I abhor ad hom attacks, but this one is deliciously appropriate.

                • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

                  The People of Mass. haven’t voted a Republican Senator into office since 1967. Schilling’s status as a Sox probably won’t change that.

              • Rick in Boston

                Maybe. But if Ty Cobb were to run, he might have a chance. After all, stabbing a guy >>> killing someone.

          • Chris

            But he won two world series.

            Remember, most of the voters are Red Sox fans – I don’t think they’d even look at his policy positions.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              They would.

            • Billy

              just like how cali voted for that nazi

              • jsbrendog

                que?

                • Billy

                  AH-NOLD

                • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

                  he used the ‘n’ word! wtf?!

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  Billy says:
                  just like how cali voted for that nazi… AH-NOLD

                  Seriously, Billy, why don’t you stop talking for a while, you know, maybe sit the next few plays out.

                • Rick in Boston

                  Great…is Billy really ‘Jim the Jew’?

                • Billy

                  why do i have to stop talking? are u a big arnold supporter or something?

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  :: facepalm ::

                • Billy

                  it’s okay to talk about schilling but not arnold? who knew?

                • http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/04/10/alg_aj-burnett.jpg Mike Pop

                  Billy. As an outsider, just let it go. You’re not doing yourself any good.

  • bigpinklips

    Bruney almost makes you nostalgic for Jose Veras.
    Okay, maybe not.

  • Dwnflfan

    “Bruney gets no credit for those scoreless frames, he left a mess that someone else had to cleanup.”

    Really? Bruney posted a WHIP of 1.38 in those 8 2/3 innings. The Yankees as a team have a WHIP of 1.34. In those 8 2/3 he gave up 7 hits, (all singles), 6 walks, (1 intentional) and 1 HBP.

    His #’s against: .212 BA .350 OPB .212 Slg.

    He finished the inning 6 of 8 times, the 2 that he didn’t he left the bases loaded and 1 out with the Yanks up by 10 runs & 1st & 2nd 1 out with the Yanks up by 4.

    So, Bruney gets no credit for pitching better than your average Yankee pitcher, (see #’s above). Seems a little harsh. I understand not giving him any credit for the two innings he left after getting just 1 out and allowing 5 baserunners. But giving him no credit for the other 8 innings where he gave up no ER’s, finished each inning and had a WHIP of 1.125 with each hit being a single seems ridiculous.

    • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

      Bruney posted a WHIP of 1.38 in those 8 2/3 innings. The Yankees as a team have a WHIP of 1.34.

      since those were the only stats you posted that i could use to compare, i will…

      1.38>>1.34

      whip is like golf, lower is better…

      • Dwnflfan

        Thank you captain obvious. The point was he posted an almost exactly average Yankee WHIP, (even ignoring his outstanding BA & SlG % against), so why in the world would he get, “no credit”?

        • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

          Ha

          you said he’s better than average, then posted data to the contrary

          obvious is your friend sometimes.

          So instead show me the comps where he’s better than guys making the playoff cut, rather than calling names.

          • Dwnflfan

            If you think a pitcher that allows 1 more base runner per 25 innings than the average Yankee pitcher but none of the hits are more than singles is performing below average then there’s no way I can help you. You obviously completely ignored all but the WHIP # in my first post.

            AGAIN, his #’s during his previous 8.2 innings:
            .212 BA .350 OPB .212 Slg. Tell me you wouldn’t take those numbers from every pitcher on the staff…

            With regards to the playoff cut, none of my comments relate to the playoff cut. I’m referring to the author’s ridiculous statement that Bruney should get no credit for his previous 8.2 innings without an earned run. Quite frankly the playoff cut argument is silly right now. Two weeks from now would it really surprise you if you read an article here stating that Bruney’s dominating performances recently combined with David Robertson’s recent meltdown make Bruney a virtual playoff roster lock? Two weeks after that Bruney could be sitting out the playoffs and DR could be getting setup innings in playoff games. It’s too early for anything but a casual analysis. Bruney is a long way from being eliminated from playoff roster consideration.

  • Bo

    Bruney has earned his non invite to the playoff roster.

    Robertson has passed him.

  • Tank Foster

    Bruney’s a puzzle. It’s probably a mental thing. When his mind is right, he gets out of his own way, and he’s great. Sometimes I think he overthinks or puts too much pressure on himself, or something…

    Get rid of him? No way. It’s always a question of what you’re exchanging him for, and he’s a young guy. The minor league relief pitcher ‘glut’ is just that, a minor league glut. Every one of those guys could prove inferior to Bruney.