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		<title>By: Gatorglory</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gatorglory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 19:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;&quot;...if they’re willing to start CC in Game 4 of the ALCS on three days’ rest...&quot;&lt;/b&gt;

What?  They&#039;re guaranteed to take the longer series.  In that case, CC would pitch Wednesday (Game 1) and Monday (Game 4), on normal rest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>&#8220;&#8230;if they’re willing to start CC in Game 4 of the ALCS on three days’ rest&#8230;&#8221;</b></p>
<p>What?  They&#8217;re guaranteed to take the longer series.  In that case, CC would pitch Wednesday (Game 1) and Monday (Game 4), on normal rest.</p>
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		<title>By: Sleepy Carl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sleepy Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 00:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pretty awesome that Hughes has the highest WAR of any relief pitcher (not that this for 1 second makes me think he should be in the pen next year).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pretty awesome that Hughes has the highest WAR of any relief pitcher (not that this for 1 second makes me think he should be in the pen next year).</p>
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		<title>By: Amol</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2009/10/girardi-ranks-among-best-bullpen-managers-17818/#comment-608833</link>
		<dc:creator>Amol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 00:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some credit for this should also go to Brian Cashman, who did a great job in constructing a bullpen with a lot of minor league options. The ability to replace players who weren&#039;t working out with a minimum of roster shuffling turned out to be invaluable this season.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some credit for this should also go to Brian Cashman, who did a great job in constructing a bullpen with a lot of minor league options. The ability to replace players who weren&#8217;t working out with a minimum of roster shuffling turned out to be invaluable this season.</p>
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		<title>By: JD NYC</title>
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		<dc:creator>JD NYC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 23:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sucker! competitive violence (experience), that&#039;s why you&#039;re (I&#039;m) here!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sucker! competitive violence (experience), that&#8217;s why you&#8217;re (I&#8217;m) here!</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie G.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamie G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 23:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Yanks will be fine as long as we dont see Coke on the mound in October.  Coke looks like he is going to shit himself every time he is on the mound.  He is out there waiting for the disaster he knows he will cause.  Joba should get Coke&#039;s spot on the postseason roster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Yanks will be fine as long as we dont see Coke on the mound in October.  Coke looks like he is going to shit himself every time he is on the mound.  He is out there waiting for the disaster he knows he will cause.  Joba should get Coke&#8217;s spot on the postseason roster.</p>
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		<title>By: tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside</title>
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		<dc:creator>tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 22:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;re just razzing you a little.  It&#039;ll pass.

And, for the record, I believe you when you say that you don&#039;t truly think you need to have played the game to be able to analyze it, but that&#039;s what you said initially.  Those words were your introduction to us here at RAB.  You&#039;ve gotta do some smart commenting to undo that initial dumb commenting to allow people some counter-evidence to forget that slip-up.

But like I said, we&#039;re razzing you.  It happens.  Chin up.

Welcome aboard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re just razzing you a little.  It&#8217;ll pass.</p>
<p>And, for the record, I believe you when you say that you don&#8217;t truly think you need to have played the game to be able to analyze it, but that&#8217;s what you said initially.  Those words were your introduction to us here at RAB.  You&#8217;ve gotta do some smart commenting to undo that initial dumb commenting to allow people some counter-evidence to forget that slip-up.</p>
<p>But like I said, we&#8217;re razzing you.  It happens.  Chin up.</p>
<p>Welcome aboard.</p>
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		<title>By: jsbrendog</title>
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		<dc:creator>jsbrendog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 22:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>while in theory you may be right, and in theory i might agree with you, every former player turned analyst begs to differ with their idiotic commentary and complete mind boggling lack of knowledge about baseball</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>while in theory you may be right, and in theory i might agree with you, every former player turned analyst begs to differ with their idiotic commentary and complete mind boggling lack of knowledge about baseball</p>
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		<title>By: JD NYC</title>
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		<dc:creator>JD NYC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 21:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would have said it less elegantly and left myself open for another 1000 insults, but yeah, that&#039;s about right.

Seriously though, I don&#039;t mind being the object of your scorn, especially because I&#039;ll never match your persistence and that you seem to be good at it, but for the record I don&#039;t think you need to have played the game to analyze it. I know the players are usually terrible at analyzing it and often refuse to acknowledge/adopt all the breakthroughs statisticians have made. But there are some things that go on between players and in clubhouses that they can help shed some light on sometimes. I thought the sign-stealing thing was such a case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would have said it less elegantly and left myself open for another 1000 insults, but yeah, that&#8217;s about right.</p>
<p>Seriously though, I don&#8217;t mind being the object of your scorn, especially because I&#8217;ll never match your persistence and that you seem to be good at it, but for the record I don&#8217;t think you need to have played the game to analyze it. I know the players are usually terrible at analyzing it and often refuse to acknowledge/adopt all the breakthroughs statisticians have made. But there are some things that go on between players and in clubhouses that they can help shed some light on sometimes. I thought the sign-stealing thing was such a case.</p>
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		<title>By: pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 21:36:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Girardi&#039;s biggest strength as a manager is his ability to see long term over short term. You rarely see him manage a game as if the season depends on it, simply throwing out the best guy because it&#039;s close or something. I think he saw from the beginning that the bullpen was deep in talent, and the team would be insanely awesome even if the bullpen struggled in the beginning, and he distributed innings very well all season. Now there isn&#039;t a single reliever out there who has been overused or particularly underused.

The other thing is, while people have questioned his occasional using 3 guys to get 4 outs, I actually like this style. Firstly because the combinations of guys he uses in the situations always gives him the best chance, percentage-wise, of successfully navigating the situation (I would argue that ace-coke-krob-marte will get the job done more often than any single one of those guys, and of course the team&#039;s numbers back it up), but also because he gets the guys who aren&#039;t going to be as effective getting 3-4 outs as 1-2 (in other words, everyone but Mo, Phil, and Ace) used to pitching about 5 times a week without getting abused at all. Throwing 20+ pitches in 3 straight games might blow your arm out, throwing 10 pitches in 3 straight games probably won&#039;t. 

Sure there have been a few games where, looked at in isolation, Girardi has made &quot;the wrong call,&quot; but looked at in context not only with their neighboring games, but in the context of the season as a whole, his moves have made sense. Anybody could have said ace for the 7th, phil for the 8th, mo for the 9th whenever we have the lead and have an amazing bullpen era, but this team has the lead a lot. by mid-august those guys would be toast, and everyone else would be underused and ineffective. Now, heading into october, you can use those guys in those situations and be confident that they are at full effectiveness, and also, should the situation dictate it (down a run/extra innings/whenever else), you have many more usable pieces. 

As for the common PeteAbe complaint about the underuse of phil hughes, i personally think his low workload is an organizational decision to protect him. Girardi is great about not abusing his bullpen pitchers, but the nature of the bullpen is unhealthy for an arm to begin with. No matter what, even with Girardi, work is going to be irregular, warmup routines get cut down, and every pitch is thrown with maximum intensity. Phil hughes&#039;s arm is more valuable than the 2 or 3 games we might have lost because we didn&#039;t pitch him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Girardi&#8217;s biggest strength as a manager is his ability to see long term over short term. You rarely see him manage a game as if the season depends on it, simply throwing out the best guy because it&#8217;s close or something. I think he saw from the beginning that the bullpen was deep in talent, and the team would be insanely awesome even if the bullpen struggled in the beginning, and he distributed innings very well all season. Now there isn&#8217;t a single reliever out there who has been overused or particularly underused.</p>
<p>The other thing is, while people have questioned his occasional using 3 guys to get 4 outs, I actually like this style. Firstly because the combinations of guys he uses in the situations always gives him the best chance, percentage-wise, of successfully navigating the situation (I would argue that ace-coke-krob-marte will get the job done more often than any single one of those guys, and of course the team&#8217;s numbers back it up), but also because he gets the guys who aren&#8217;t going to be as effective getting 3-4 outs as 1-2 (in other words, everyone but Mo, Phil, and Ace) used to pitching about 5 times a week without getting abused at all. Throwing 20+ pitches in 3 straight games might blow your arm out, throwing 10 pitches in 3 straight games probably won&#8217;t. </p>
<p>Sure there have been a few games where, looked at in isolation, Girardi has made &#8220;the wrong call,&#8221; but looked at in context not only with their neighboring games, but in the context of the season as a whole, his moves have made sense. Anybody could have said ace for the 7th, phil for the 8th, mo for the 9th whenever we have the lead and have an amazing bullpen era, but this team has the lead a lot. by mid-august those guys would be toast, and everyone else would be underused and ineffective. Now, heading into october, you can use those guys in those situations and be confident that they are at full effectiveness, and also, should the situation dictate it (down a run/extra innings/whenever else), you have many more usable pieces. </p>
<p>As for the common PeteAbe complaint about the underuse of phil hughes, i personally think his low workload is an organizational decision to protect him. Girardi is great about not abusing his bullpen pitchers, but the nature of the bullpen is unhealthy for an arm to begin with. No matter what, even with Girardi, work is going to be irregular, warmup routines get cut down, and every pitch is thrown with maximum intensity. Phil hughes&#8217;s arm is more valuable than the 2 or 3 games we might have lost because we didn&#8217;t pitch him.</p>
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		<title>By: JobaWockeeZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>JobaWockeeZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 21:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love it.</p>
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