Comments on: How were the Yankees assembled? http://riveraveblues.com/2009/10/how-were-the-yankees-assembled-18802/ A New York Yankees Blog Mon, 28 May 2012 13:03:52 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Linkage: Robertson, Rosters, KLaw, Bunts | River Avenue Blues http://riveraveblues.com/2009/10/how-were-the-yankees-assembled-18802/#comment-654857 Linkage: Robertson, Rosters, KLaw, Bunts | River Avenue Blues Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:31:42 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=18802#comment-654857 [...] took a look at how the core of the Yanks’ roster was constructed last week, but John Sickels did a more thorough job over the weekend. Sorry Joe. Sickels also [...] [...] took a look at how the core of the Yanks’ roster was constructed last week, but John Sickels did a more thorough job over the weekend. Sorry Joe. Sickels also [...]

]]> By: Chris C. http://riveraveblues.com/2009/10/how-were-the-yankees-assembled-18802/#comment-647495 Chris C. Fri, 23 Oct 2009 19:14:00 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=18802#comment-647495 "That’s only because he was a Type A FA. If Jose Molina files for free agency after this season and is re-signed by the Yankees, it would be the same as with A-Rod, but as he is a lousy player, there would be no compensation pick." LMAO!!!! No compensation pick?? Hell there's be no competition to sign him! Or are the Yankees gonna have to toss 28 mill per to secure Jose's services? That is really a weird comparision. “That’s only because he was a Type A FA. If Jose Molina files for free agency after this season and is re-signed by the Yankees, it would be the same as with A-Rod, but as he is a lousy player, there would be no compensation pick.”

LMAO!!!! No compensation pick?? Hell there’s be no competition to sign him! Or are the Yankees gonna have to toss 28 mill per to secure Jose’s services?
That is really a weird comparision.

]]> By: Chris C. http://riveraveblues.com/2009/10/how-were-the-yankees-assembled-18802/#comment-647492 Chris C. Fri, 23 Oct 2009 19:09:39 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=18802#comment-647492 Do the Yankees really have that many more homegrown BP guys than the Twins, Angels, Red Sox, Phillies, Dodgers, or most other teams in the league? No. Why is that so impressive? Do the Yankees really have that many more homegrown BP guys than the Twins, Angels, Red Sox, Phillies, Dodgers, or most other teams in the league? No.
Why is that so impressive?

]]> By: Chris C. http://riveraveblues.com/2009/10/how-were-the-yankees-assembled-18802/#comment-647486 Chris C. Fri, 23 Oct 2009 19:05:07 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=18802#comment-647486 "That’s the biggest difference between them and the Phillies, who had better amateur drafts — partly because they finished worse than the Yanks in most years." Oh yeah. THAT'S the biggest difference between the Yankees and the Phillies. Nevermind that the Yankee infield makes the same as the entire Philly roster. This is not nearly as notible as the Philly slight edge in the Amateur draft department. “That’s the biggest difference between them and the Phillies, who had better amateur drafts — partly because they finished worse than the Yanks in most years.”

Oh yeah. THAT’S the biggest difference between the Yankees and the Phillies.
Nevermind that the Yankee infield makes the same as the entire Philly roster. This is not nearly as notible as the Philly slight edge in the Amateur draft department.

]]> By: ooda http://riveraveblues.com/2009/10/how-were-the-yankees-assembled-18802/#comment-647452 ooda Fri, 23 Oct 2009 18:07:39 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=18802#comment-647452 The point is that Howard, Utley, Rollins, Victorino, Ruiz, Madson, Happ, a lot of stars and the core of the team were home grown Phillies. Werth was aninjured player picked up for nothing. Lee and Lidge were trades. The only "big" free agent signing is Ibanez. The Phils developed their own team, the Yanks (A Rod, Texiera, Sabathia, Burnett, Damon, Matsui) bought theirs. Thats why the whole world outside of NY will be rooting for the Phils. The point is that Howard, Utley, Rollins, Victorino, Ruiz, Madson, Happ, a lot of stars and the core of the team were home grown Phillies. Werth was aninjured player picked up for nothing. Lee and Lidge were trades. The only “big” free agent signing is Ibanez. The Phils developed their own team, the Yanks (A Rod, Texiera, Sabathia, Burnett, Damon, Matsui) bought theirs. Thats why the whole world outside of NY will be rooting for the Phils.

]]> By: ClayBuchholzLovesLaptops http://riveraveblues.com/2009/10/how-were-the-yankees-assembled-18802/#comment-647324 ClayBuchholzLovesLaptops Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:15:57 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=18802#comment-647324 <b> It’s not even a reacquisition, because there was no intervening loss or de-acquisition where he was acquired by another team.</b> Right, he wasn't with another team, but he wasn't affiliated with the Yankees, either. Therefor there had to have been an transaction which brought him back. <b> If we had “lost” ARod to free agency and then “gained” ARod by resigning him, we would have been awarded a free sandwich round pick for losing a Type A, and we would have had to send our first round pick to ourselves.</b> That's only because he was a Type A FA. If Jose Molina files for free agency after this season and is re-signed by the Yankees, it would be the same as with A-Rod, but as he is a lousy player, there would be no compensation pick. <b>ARod was acquired by trade. He was subsequently re-signed following an optout. The re-signing does not nullify the original acquisition as his true acquisition.</b> Sure. The question is: Are we counting the original acquisition or the one that caused to be on the roster right now. <b>Similarly, Jeter was not “acquired” as a free agent in 2001. He was acquired in the 1992 draft.</b> Jeter was never off the Yankees' roster, but Bernie Williams in 1998 would fall under that category. It’s not even a reacquisition, because there was no intervening loss or de-acquisition where he was acquired by another team.

Right, he wasn’t with another team, but he wasn’t affiliated with the Yankees, either. Therefor there had to have been an transaction which brought him back.

If we had “lost” ARod to free agency and then “gained” ARod by resigning him, we would have been awarded a free sandwich round pick for losing a Type A, and we would have had to send our first round pick to ourselves.

That’s only because he was a Type A FA. If Jose Molina files for free agency after this season and is re-signed by the Yankees, it would be the same as with A-Rod, but as he is a lousy player, there would be no compensation pick.

ARod was acquired by trade. He was subsequently re-signed following an optout. The re-signing does not nullify the original acquisition as his true acquisition.

Sure. The question is: Are we counting the original acquisition or the one that caused to be on the roster right now.

Similarly, Jeter was not “acquired” as a free agent in 2001. He was acquired in the 1992 draft.

Jeter was never off the Yankees’ roster, but Bernie Williams in 1998 would fall under that category.

]]> By: tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside http://riveraveblues.com/2009/10/how-were-the-yankees-assembled-18802/#comment-647259 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside Fri, 23 Oct 2009 15:34:25 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=18802#comment-647259 <b>So, signing A-Rod after the 2007 season would make him signed as a free agent, not acquired via trade.</b> No, it's both. We acquired him via trade. That's how we got him. Acquire implies the getting or obtaining of something that you had, to that point, previously not had. ARod opting out and re-signing with us is not the acquisition of ARod, it's the retention of ARod. We didn't "get" ARod in 2007, we "kept" ARod in 2007. Whether it's via straight renegotiation or via opt-out and subsequent new contract signing, it's still not an acquisition. It's not even a reacquisition, because there was no intervening loss or de-acquisition where he was acquired by another team. If we had "lost" ARod to free agency and then "gained" ARod by resigning him, we would have been awarded a free sandwich round pick for losing a Type A, and we would have had to send our first round pick to ourselves. ARod was acquired by trade. He was subsequently re-signed following an optout. The re-signing does not nullify the original acquisition as his true acquisition. Similarly, Jeter was not "acquired" as a free agent in 2001. He was acquired in the 1992 draft. So, signing A-Rod after the 2007 season would make him signed as a free agent, not acquired via trade.

No, it’s both.

We acquired him via trade. That’s how we got him. Acquire implies the getting or obtaining of something that you had, to that point, previously not had. ARod opting out and re-signing with us is not the acquisition of ARod, it’s the retention of ARod. We didn’t “get” ARod in 2007, we “kept” ARod in 2007. Whether it’s via straight renegotiation or via opt-out and subsequent new contract signing, it’s still not an acquisition. It’s not even a reacquisition, because there was no intervening loss or de-acquisition where he was acquired by another team.

If we had “lost” ARod to free agency and then “gained” ARod by resigning him, we would have been awarded a free sandwich round pick for losing a Type A, and we would have had to send our first round pick to ourselves.

ARod was acquired by trade. He was subsequently re-signed following an optout. The re-signing does not nullify the original acquisition as his true acquisition.

Similarly, Jeter was not “acquired” as a free agent in 2001. He was acquired in the 1992 draft.

]]> By: JackC http://riveraveblues.com/2009/10/how-were-the-yankees-assembled-18802/#comment-647247 JackC Fri, 23 Oct 2009 15:08:16 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=18802#comment-647247 Agreed -- an interesting, informative and absolutely premature post Agreed — an interesting, informative and absolutely premature post

]]> By: Joe http://riveraveblues.com/2009/10/how-were-the-yankees-assembled-18802/#comment-647240 Joe Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:53:40 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=18802#comment-647240 "The Phillies assembled their team with 6 through the draft, 1 Rule 5 player, 1 amateur free agent, 4 trades, and 4 free agency signings. I added a few more players for the Yanks comparison, but they added 4 through the amateur draft, 3 through amateur free agency, 2 via trade, 4 through traditional free agency, and 1 by Japanese free agency. That looks like a good breakdown to me. The Yankees had an advantage in Latin America scouting, and it paid off. That’s the biggest difference between them and the Phillies, who had better amateur drafts — partly because they finished worse than the Yanks in most years. Hopefully, this won’t be the last Yankees/Phillies comparison we see in the coming weeks." Looks like a comparison to me. Not trying to be a jerk because the post is interesting but I'm getting a little tired of people annointing the Yanks as AL champs when they still have to, ya know, actually win the ALCS. Hopefully the Yanks win game 6 and we can compare away. “The Phillies assembled their team with 6 through the draft, 1 Rule 5 player, 1 amateur free agent, 4 trades, and 4 free agency signings. I added a few more players for the Yanks comparison, but they added 4 through the amateur draft, 3 through amateur free agency, 2 via trade, 4 through traditional free agency, and 1 by Japanese free agency. That looks like a good breakdown to me. The Yankees had an advantage in Latin America scouting, and it paid off. That’s the biggest difference between them and the Phillies, who had better amateur drafts — partly because they finished worse than the Yanks in most years.

Hopefully, this won’t be the last Yankees/Phillies comparison we see in the coming weeks.”

Looks like a comparison to me. Not trying to be a jerk because the post is interesting but I’m getting a little tired of people annointing the Yanks as AL champs when they still have to, ya know, actually win the ALCS. Hopefully the Yanks win game 6 and we can compare away.

]]> By: ClayBuchholzLovesLaptops http://riveraveblues.com/2009/10/how-were-the-yankees-assembled-18802/#comment-647238 ClayBuchholzLovesLaptops Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:50:32 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=18802#comment-647238 That's right. Everybody but Gaudin and Marte, and even Marte played for the Yankees in the minors but he played with the Mariners before that. That’s right. Everybody but Gaudin and Marte, and even Marte played for the Yankees in the minors but he played with the Mariners before that.

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