Oct
05

Looking At The Playoff Roster: Pitchers

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The 162-game regular season is over, and now we’re just waiting for playoff baseball to start. I don’t know why baseball feels like it needs two off days between Game 162 and Game One, but whatever. Before the postseason can start, the Yanks much first decide on a 25-man playoff roster, not always the easiest task. Brian Cashman has already hinted that the team will use a 10-man pitching staff for at least the Division Series, which means we’re looking at a six man bench.

This morning we looked at the position players, so let’s check out the hurlers now. With ten spots available, six are filled by these shoo-ins:

Al Aceves
A.J. Burnett
Phil Hughes
Andy Pettitte
Mariano Rivera
CC Sabathia

Just as those six are locks for the postseason roster, these seven are locks to be left off:

Jon Albaladejo
Mike Dunn
Ian Kennedy
Mark Melancon
Sergio Mitre
Edwar Ramirez
Josh Towers

The remaining four spots will be occupied by some combination of Brian Bruney, Joba Chamberlain, Phil Coke, Chad Gaudin, Damaso Marte, and David Robertson. Let’s break down the matchups one by one.

Phil Coke vs. Damaso Marte
This one might depend on who the Yanks play in the ALDS. The Tigers have lefties Curtis Granderson (.897 OPS vs. RHP, .478 vs. LHP) and Aubrey Huff (.714 vs. .650) in their lineup, while the Twins pack Joe Mauer (1.099 vs. .910, haha) and Jason Kubel (1.011 vs. .648) into the 3-4 spots of their batting order. Coke held lefties to a .195-.218-.366 line this year, Marte .120-.214-.280. I’m not worried about Granderson or Huff beating me, good righties can get them out. Mauer and Kubel … well that’s a different story.

Given Mauer and Kubel’s dominance of righthanders, I’d like to have that extra southpaw in the bullpen if the Yanks have to face the Minny. Surely those two will come up in a big spot twice in one game at some point in the series, and you’d like to be able to combat that somewhat. As for Detroit, I don’t see why you’d need more than one LOOGY. If the Twins win Tuesday, I’d take both Coke and Marte, no question. If the Tigers win, well then we have a decision to make.

Obviously, Marte is the more accomplished of the two and has previous playoff experience. Coke’s been there all year, which should count for something, but his tendency to serve up homers scares the crap out of me. A healthy Marte – which is what he’s been since coming off the DL – is better than a healthy Phil Coke, so I’m going to take him.

Joba Chamberlain vs. Chad Gaudin
The Yanks aren’t going to need a fourth starter in the ALDS, so whichever guy comes along would be used strictly in relief. I watched Joba’s relief outing yesterday, but that one inning does nothing for me. As good as he looked during all seven of those pitches, it’s not enough to discount the last two months. Gaudin, at the very least, has been serviceable since joining the Yanks, and he straight up murders righthanders (.224-.293-.380), something we haven’t seen Joba do lately.

Believe me, I’m well aware of what Joba did out of the bullpen in 2007. But why should we expect him to repeat that kind of performance two years later? A shift to the bullpen isn’t going to magically fix his command. He hasn’t been reliable for two months now, and frankly he’s not one of the ten best pitchers in the organization at the moment. Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for showing patience and letting kids take their lumps as part of the learning experience, just not in the playoffs. This is crunch time, and the Yanks can’t afford to bring a lesser pitcher to the ALDS. Gaudin serves as a capable long man and perhaps even a ROOGY in the middle innings. I’m taking him for the Division Series.

David Robertson vs. Brian Bruney
Much to my surprise and probably just in the nick of time for him, Brian Bruney has been pretty decent in the last week or so. He’s retired 11 of the 13 batters he’s faced (spread over three appearances), four via the strikeout. Is that enough to negate the .942 OPS against and 19-20 K/BB ratio he put up in the previous 26 IP since coming off the DL? No, of course not. We can’t be fooled by a recent small sample size, no matter how good it looks.

David Robertson, on the other hand, is just coming off some elbow stiffness which creates some questions. Despite the injury, Robertson leads all AL pitchers – all of ‘em – with 12.98 K/9. And it’s not particularly close either; Joakim Soria is second at 11.72, so we’re looking at a difference of about one strikeout every seven innings pitched. He walks fewer batters than Bruney (4.74 BB/9 to 5.31) and is much stinger with the longball (0.82 HR/9 vs 1.38). If the elbow is sound, this isn’t much of a debate for me: Robertson over Bruney.

So after all that, my ten-man pitching staff for the ALDS is:

SP: Sabathia
SP: Burnett
SP: Pettitte

LHRP: Coke vs. Twins
LHRP: Marte
RHRP: Gaudin
RHRP: Robertson
RHRP: Aceves
SU: Hughes
Savior: Mo

If the Tigers manage to win tomorrow, I still need one more arm because I’d only be bringing one LOOGY. Of the three guys who got snubbed – Coke, Joba, and Bruney – I’d have to go with … Coke. He’s been more effective than either of the other two of late, so he gets the nod. Sorry Joba, sorry Brian, but your craptacular pitching in the second half cost you a spot on my Division Series roster.

Given the ridiculous game, off day, game, off day, game, game, off day setup of the ALDS, Hughes and Mo should get the lion’s share of the work out of the bullpen. There’s no reason that duo can’t combine for nine outs in games one through three, and in an elimination game they could be pushed to 12 outs. You really can’t ask for a better third option than Aceves, so that’s like six innings of top notch relief the Yanks have available to them in the first three games of the Division Series.

So what do you guys think, would you take Joba over Gaudin, Bruney over K-Rob™? Any wildcard guys you’d rather include?

Categories : Playoffs
  • JSquared

    I would have to bring Bruney instead of Coke. You have to see if you can trust Bruney, odds are you will probably have a good lead at some point in the ALDS rather than the ALCS. That’s when he gets a chance to pitch.

    • Anth

      I disagree. There is no room in the playoffs for seeing if you can trust someone. You bring the most trustworthy pitchers, regardless of age,experience, prospect status,ect.

      • Jon

        I don’t think they should be “testing” anybody in the playoffs, no matter the situation. There’s no reason to give the other team hope of a big inning in the playoffs. If you get a big lead, slam the door shut. Don’t mess around.

        • JSquared

          In the playoffs you wouldn’t leave in a very good reliever for the other team to have a big inning, none the less the worst guy in your bullpen.

      • JSquared

        Either way, i wouldn’t trust Coke more than Bruney with the recent play of both of the pitchers. Bruney has been pretty solid lately. And with a big lead you can put bruney in there until two runners reach base.
        The only relievers you will most likely need anyway are Robertson, Aceves, Hughes and Mo, and if you’re going after a Lefty, Marte, any 10th pitcher you put on there is going to be a test of trust for that pitcher.

    • JMK aka The Overshare

      I must side with Anth on this one. There’s too much on the line to still be working out trust issues. He’s had the whole season to have worked up the trust; he’s been inconsistent, and his body of work suggests he’s a liability. Can I say definitively that he’ll implode or won’t perform well? Of course not; he could have figured it out and be a great asset out of the ‘pen for the playoffs. Unfortunately, he just hasn’t put it together consistently this season, and as a result, will likely not play when it really matters. He has no one to blame but himself.

      • Jersey

        +99

      • JSquared

        IDK if i can put my trust in Coke. As of right now, like you said the entire season… Bruney has been better, he had one really long bad streak, but overall for the year he is better. 10th pitcher is more of a luxury with the off days anyway. I would just have to carry Bruney as a hard thrower compared to coke as a LOOGY.

        • JMK aka The Overshare

          Coke is not without flaws, no doubt. He has trouble keeping the ball in the yard. I’m not really a big fan, but dude, it’s really hard to justify Bruney over Coke. Coke has been better pretty much across the board. Bruney’s HR/9 is 1.4 and Coke’s is 1.5. That’s his biggest knock and it’s pretty much in line with Bruney, whose WHIP, h/9, BBs are all much higher. Bruney’s K totals are a bit better, but dude, he might just walk the whole lineup in.

          Really, it pains me to say Coke deserves it (I irrationally dislike Phil Coke), but he’s way less of a liability than Bruney.

          • JSquared

            Statistically, Coke is better in a lot of fields, but as the last guy in the pen, i want the guy who throws harder, who has been better lately. His last 18.2 Innings he’s let up 3 earned runs.

            Coke’s last 17.1 innings he’s given up 13 Earned Runs.

            I really wouldn’t care who the 10th pitcher was because of all of the off days, but if there’s a guy who has been good like Bruney… it’s worth taking him, it’s the 10th pitcher, he’s only going to see time in an 8-2 game.

            • Moshe Mandel

              That’s an aribtrary cutoff that happens to include Coke’s worst outing, already back on Aug 1. In his last 17 innings, he has given up 6 ER, and has not given up any runs since August. Also, Coke would not be used like the last guy- he would face a lefty or two.

              • JSquared

                Excluding Coke’s worst outing, he has still given up more runs than Bruney, and bruney can probably give you a full inning unlike Coke.

                If we’re going to carry 2 lefties, only one of them are probably going to be used as a LOOGY.

                • Moshe Mandel

                  Firstly, looking at earned runs alone is not entirely illuminating. As Mike notes, Bruney’s OPS against was incredibly high for most of that period, while Coke only allowed 20 baserunners over that 17.1 inning stretch. He has pitched well for a while now, Bruney has 13 good batters.

                  Further, I’m not sure why they would only use one as a Loogy. With 7 relievers and plenty of off days, there is no reason to use Marte or Coke in any other way except in a blowout.

                • JSquared

                  Which was my argument, Bruney can go more than 1 inning strong lately. 10th pitcher is pretty much a luxury, which is why i would take the guy who’s been better lately and can go longer and be used in a better situation.

                  More righty batters than lefties, so you will probably have a chance to bring Bruney in and leave him in.

                • Moshe Mandel

                  But my point is that Coke will be used as more than an extra guy, he may be used against a good lefty in a big spot (ie Granderson or Mauer with two on in the 6th inning) and then Marte used similarly in the 7th. Bruney is not going to be placed into those spots over Robertson, Hughes, or even Joba.

                • Moshe Mandel

                  And Bruney has not been better lately, as I noted above. ER is a bad thing to look at for a reliever. Bruney allowed a lot more baserunners than Coke over that period.

                • JSquared

                  You can’t say that base runners is the definitive answer to who’s been better. If you’re going to use a guy against Mauer and Kubel, it will most likely be after your starter went 6 innings. so say Mauer and Kubel bat in the 7th to lead off, by the time they’re up again, and we’re winning, hughes or Mo will be in the game.

                  Bruney goes more innings at a time, which makes him more vulnerable to more baserunners getting on.

                • Moshe Mandel

                  So what would you use for a reliever? Coke has the lower WHIP and lower OPS against over the span. He has been definitively better.

                • JSquared

                  But they pitch differently, Coke usually pitches against Lefties who he is better against, bruney pitches against whoever is coming up in the WHOLE inning he pitches.

                • Moshe Mandel

                  And Coke would be asked to face lefties, so his performance in his possible playoff role is better than Bruney’s.

                • JSquared

                  But that’s not what i was talking about. I was just saying that Bruney’s situation is more occuring than Coke’s. Marte can handle one go around through a big lefty and by the time that guy comes up again, We will have our dominant relievers in the game who you don’t replace.

    • andrew

      We can find out if we trust Bruney next April.

      • Klemy

        +1

    • Free Mike Vick

      its hard for me to take bruney over coke b/c bruney has been so up and down but Bruney has pitched very well of late and has pitched a couple of real nice outings vs the Red sox….and if were talking about only taking 1 lefty..with all do respect to Phil Coke…there would be no way he would get the nod in a big postseason game over Marte. HRs in postseason will kill ya. and Coke has been prone to giving up the longball. I’m sure some will disagree…but i have to take the guys the postseason experience .

      both Marte and Bruney have pitched in the postseason….Coke has not. So Coke would be odd man out in the ALDS.

      • Lanny

        Who uses October and the playoffs to decide if they can trust a pitcher?

        Isnt that what the 162 games are for?

        • JSquared

          When you have 3 guys who haven’t been great all year and need to pick 1, you have to find which one, you should take the one who’s performed the best and see if you can coutn on him.

        • Free Mike Vick

          to a degree, yes….but if you give me 3 guys…all 3 pitching about the same to end the season…and 2 of the guys have pitched in the postseason before..and effectively. and 1 has never seen the postseason.

          i’m taking the 2 guys with postseason experience everytime.

  • Jorge Steinbrenner

    You take Joba over Chad Gaudin, and I will raise you his 2007 performance and what I would guess is the high probability that someone who’s started the entire season will be able to navigate an inning at a time. Leave the two-inning stuff to Aceves.

    Other than that, Coke and Marte seem more interchangeable to me, but I can rest easy with the rest of what you’re saying.

    • Mike bk

      except as was stated earlier joba’s numbers in his first inning of work this year have not been good. i would probably still take joba for the alds, but in the alcs i would start gaudin over joba and let him and ace get me thru 6 and off to the rest of the pen.

      • http://www.newyorkjets.com/image_assets/8997/052109_coach_rex_ryan_presser_320.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

        “except as was stated earlier joba’s numbers in his first inning of work this year have not been good.”

        I’ve seen this argument made a few times around here but I’m going to go ahead and go against the grain a bit on this one… I don’t find Joba’s first inning troubles as a starter to be a particularly persuasive reason why he wouldn’t be effective out of the bullpen. The preparation routine, mindset/goals and strategy of a starter heading into the first inning and of a reliever entering a game in the later innings are all different.

        • http://twitter.com/JamalG_BB Jamal G.

          Agreed.

  • Mister Delaware

    I’m still taking 11 pitchers (leaving off Pena) and going with all 12 you mentioned minus Bruney. Gaudin’s righty murdering doesn’t matter if he has to be held back in case of extras.

    • ClayBuchholzLovesLaptops

      I agree with that. The chance you need the last man in your bullpen in some crazy 17-inning-game is much greater then having to play Pena as your second backup infielder. He is only needed if two infielders get hurt. And than we would have much bigger problems and still could play Hinske or Swisher in the infield, depending on who would get hurt.

  • yankeegirl49

    Joba over Gaudin, Robertson over Bruney and thank Mo Farnsworth is not an option!

  • the artist formerly known as (sic)

    in re: Marte, we’re dealing with a frighteningly small SS w/r/t his post-DL numbers.

    http://tinyurl.com/ycqpj4p

    thats 8 IP, 5 ER, 7 Ks; i know 4 of those ER came in the one outing v. BAL.

    • the artist formerly known as (sic)

      which is in itself problematic, considering those 8 IP came over the course of what looks like 6 weeks. I know he’s being used as a LOOGY, but its hard to get a handle on what to expect when the sample size is so small.

    • JMK aka The Overshare

      As you said, he had one poor outing. Otherwise, he’s been pretty good (and yes, you’re right, the SS is small).

      • the artist formerly known as (sic)

        Yeah I mean, the one poor outing wouldn’t be so glaring if the sample size wasn’t so small. And that’s really my point – we’re dealing with 8 IP over 6 weeks, which is a scary-small sample size.

        • JMK aka The Overshare

          But for a guy that’s a LOOGY, the innings amount will never be high. He’s not throwing an inning every time out. He’s throwing to one or two guys and then goes home, has a beer and screws his wife. He’s had 11 appearances from September-October 2 and on the whole, they’ve been really good. So really, considering his role, it’s not that small a sample size.

          • the artist formerly known as (sic)

            “Considering his role, it’s not that small a sample size”.

            Yes, it is. 8 IP is not a statistically significant sample size no matter what his role is. And so I caution against using an 8 IP sample, spread out over 45 days, as a standard for reliability and predictability of results.

            Not saying Marte won’t be good; he’s historically a very good pitcher. Just simply contending that we probably don’t know enough at this pt. about what to expect in this year’s playoffs.

            • JMK aka The Overshare

              I’m not saying it isn’t a small sample. I should have italicized “that” for emphasis. He’s pitched regularly for a month and a half. It’s not like he showed up, threw in two games and Bam! 8 innings. Yes, the outings are short, but there are quite a few over a fair amount of time.

              I understand your cautions and I don’t necessarily disagree that it’s an unreliable sample, but out of curiosity, what sample size is big enough for you?

  • CountryClub

    Robertson is a lock.

    • andrew

      Nope.

      • CountryClub

        It would be idiotic of the team not to take him, in my opinion. The only acceptable explanation is that he’s feeling something in the elbow again.

        • Lanny

          No one with shoulder issues that flared up in Sept can be considered a lock.

          • Zack

            It wasnt his shoulder, it was his elbow. He took time off, rehabbed and now he’s back and fine.

            Hey Posada has that thumb thing that comes and goes, we should leave him off the roster too.

            • JMK aka The Overshare

              Molina’s better anyway.

              • Zack

                And Cervelli is fast(for a catcher)

                • JMK aka The Overshare

                  Edwar is now the starting catcher. Better throwing arm, better game-caller, and he’s so skinny, his body creates a vortex in the universe. No more pass balls.

  • Jersey

    Couldn’t agree more top-to-bottom, especially regarding Gaudin and Joba. I’d have to think twice about choosing Marte over Coke for the lone LOOGY, but it’s hard to argue for Coke and against Marte given the situation.

  • Mike bk

    Axisa i completely agree that in the 1st 3 games at least the last 8 outs should be all Phil and Mo if we have a lead because of the off days and that is my main reason for taking the longer series.

  • Mike P

    I agree they should take Marte, but I don’t think they will. Why has he pitched so little in the postseason warmup games?

    • Lanny

      Girardi has used him exactly how he will in october. As a lefty specialist.

  • Moshe Mandel

    I couldn’t disagree more with taking Marte over Coke. I think that stems from our constant defending of Marte from people who suggest he has always been a bad reliever, to the point where we have come to overrate Marte. There is something to be said for the fact that Coke has been placed in big spots all season, and has performed pretty well, while Marte has been healthy for a few weeks. I know Marte has the better history, but that is obviously to be expected with Coke being a rookie. Coke has had the better year, and I easily take him over Marte.

    • Mister Delaware

      Marte has better splits, even this year, and that role isn’t “reliever” as it was during the season, its LOOGY/LTOGY (depending on who we play).

      http://www.baseball-reference......rams=plato|vs%20LHB%20as%20LH|NYY|2009|pitch|AB|

      • Moshe Mandel

        Marte’s splits are based on less than 30 AB’s. Coke was used against the best lefties all year, he is bound to have a few clunkers. If you compare Coke’s 2009 v. lefties vs. Marte’s career (because Marte’s argument in clearly based on career value), Coke holds up very nicely: OPS of .584 to Marte’s .581.

  • CountryClub

    Regardless of who they play, I think the pen will look like this:

    Mo
    Hughes
    Aceves
    Robertson
    Coke
    Joba
    Marte

    I ran that in order, so I think Marte is the first one to get bumped for Gaudin or Bruney.

    • Mike bk

      im pretty sure just to have two lefties he will take both coke and marte sort of like taking both gardy and guzman as pinch runners.

      • CountryClub

        I agree. I’m sure that Girardi feels that any one of his righties can pitch more than 1 inning. So he won’t hesitate to use a lefty for one batter in the 5th or 6th. And then he’ll have the other one if a big spot presents itself before the 9th.

  • Moshe Mandel

    I’d take 11 pitchers, and take everyone but Bruney against the Twins, and everyone but Marte against the Tigers.

    • Moshe Mandel

      Just to add, I like Gaudin, but facing Kevin Youkilis or Victor Martinez in the 6th inning of Game 3 in Fenway, and my choices are 2009 Joba and Gaudin, I take Joba every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

      • http://bronxbaseballdaily.baby-bombers.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/melky-cabrera-317x400.jpg Drew

        +1.

        I made the same point a few days ago using Miggy Cabrera as the opposing hitter. Give me Joba plz.

        • pat

          More Jobaltine please!

          • JMK aka The Overshare

            Hah! Jobaltine. Love it. That stuff tastes like acid rain and dog shit.

          • thurdonpaul

            with midges sprinkled on top ?

        • ClayBuchholzLovesLaptops

          “Give me Joba plz.”

          I don’t know why, but I don’t want to see Joba in a big situation in the playoffs. This is the only spot I have a very bad feeling going into the playoffs.

          • http://bronxbaseballdaily.baby-bombers.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/melky-cabrera-317x400.jpg Drew

            Word you’re not alone, but if your options are Joba or Gaudin, who’d you rather?

            • ClayBuchholzLovesLaptops

              I’d keep Gaudin aside, just to save him if you need a guy to go 3+ innings. If it’s the 6th inning in a close game against a good righthanded batter, I’d rather use Robertson. I know the scenario says Joba or Gaudin, but it’s unlikely, Robertson would not ne available at that point.

  • Frank Fernandez

    Might as well come to terms with it, Joba’s going to kick ass in the pen.

    Why are some people fighting this notion with all their might? He wasn’t always terrible as a starter this year, had three or four great games and wiggled out of a lot of tight spots to keep his ERA from ballooning. He was obviously pitching by the numbers, trying to keep his revised delivery intact so he could make it through 6-7 inngs and keep Eiland and Girardi happy. There is nothing wrong with his arm. Nothing.

    Take the weight of learning how to be a starter off his mind and you’ve got a power arm and a competitor who is accustomed to (even likes) the pressure of the late innings. Add the excitement of the postseason and the Joba is redady to roar. Full speed ahead.

    • andrew

      He’s not learning how to be a starter. He’s been a starter all his life. He is more accustomed to starting than he is of the “pressure of the late innings”

      The only thing wrong with his arm at this point is that he has stretched himself further than he’s ever gone before, which may cause some tiring.

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siYKRL4I3UA JobaWockeeZ

        And if Joba wasn’t rushed to be a reliever he would have gotten plenty of innings so he wouldn’t need these caps.

        So I agree. He’s pitching tired and I don’t know if he’ll be as effective like in 2007.

        • Nady Nation

          “And if Joba wasn’t rushed to be a reliever he would have gotten plenty of innings so he wouldn’t need these caps.”

          This point makes no sense. The only reason Joba was put in the bullpen in 2007 was that he was nearing his innings limit and he was able to fill a need with the big league club without pitching large amounts of innings at a time. His performance that season gave no indication whatsoever that he was rushed through the system. In ’08, he started off the season in the ‘pen so he could be uncapped as a starter towards the end of the year. Now if you want to argue that his transitioning from the ‘pen to the rotation last year might’ve played a role in his shoulder injury, that’s possible, but I don’t believe that can be attributed so much to “rushing” him as it can be to screwing with his role.

          • Nady Nation

            Also, I’m not sure how his presence in the bullpen somehow adversely affected his innings cap. In ’07, he pitched in the ‘pen in order to stay within his innings limit, and in ’08, he started off in the pen so he’d be able start for the remainder of the season and still be in line with his innings limit. If anything, his bullpen assignments were intended to help Joba’s progression as a starter, not hinder it.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siYKRL4I3UA JobaWockeeZ

            Joba pitched a whopping total of 88.1 innings in 2007 before joining the Yanks. His previous high was 118.2 innings. He could have pitched 60 or so innings more to increase his workload by a little. He only pitched around 20 innings in the MLB that year pitching barely over 100 innings in total. If he stayed within the minors as a starter and never joined the Yanks in 2007 then he could have worked out and gained more innings in the minors so he may have not needed an innings cap at 160ish or so.

      • http://bronxbaseballdaily.baby-bombers.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/melky-cabrera-317x400.jpg Drew

        Eh, starting in the Majors is different than starting in any other level of baseball. Joba could probably get by with one or two pitches in all of his previous levels. That don’t fly in the bigs unless your name is AJ Burnett and drop straight filth. Starting in the bigs is a learning process for any young pitcher.

      • Frank Fernandez

        (What season were you watching?)

        “The adrenaline is different,” Chamberlain said. “You know you can go one inning and let it fly.”

        I’m not sure Chamberlain has really learned how to be an effective starter. He seems overly concerned about pacing himself and pitch selection, and I suppose that will improve with experience. The relevant thing now is that he’s back in the bullpen. And that could be a big advantage for the Yankees.

        http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/.....ts-deeper/

        • pete

          on the one hand, i completely agree with you that joba does SEEM to be overly concerned with pacing, and sometimes gets into “fuck you” mode where he just owns everyone until he’s taken out. For this reason I could actually see joba giving 4 or 5 dominant innings in the ALCS, if he just does the exact opposite of what every pitching coach preaches and actually tries to strike everybody out.

          But what appears to be the case to us fans is not necessarily true; just because joba seems to pitch better when pitching deep into the game is not a concern, doesn’t necessarily mean there is a correlation between the two. His “turning it on” moments could just be him finding a rhythm and pitching better accordingly.

  • A.D.

    I take Joba over Gaudin, even if the numbers don’t necessarily support it

  • theyankeewarrior

    ALDS:

    CC
    AJ
    Pettite

    Mo
    Hughes
    Aceves
    Marte
    Coke
    Robertson
    Joba

    ALCS:

    Enter Gaudin
    Exit Pena/Cervelli

  • http://bronxbaseballdaily.baby-bombers.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/melky-cabrera-317x400.jpg Drew

    Versus the Twinkies I want two lefties. Coke had a great September and Marte’s slider can get any lefty out.
    I’d guess the two will both be on the roster.
    Next I need D-Rob over Brunedog.
    Finally, I want Jober over Gaudin. Coming in for one inning Joba can open it up, throw two pitches and get it done. The only problem I see with him is that it takes him a while to get warmed up.

  • Joba Rules

    I for one hate the idea of bringing Marte and Coke. For the staff I’d just take Sabathia/Pettitte/Burnett/Chamberlain/Rivera/Hughes/Aceves/Robertson/Gaudin/Coke or Marte since it seems that they want a lefty out of the pen. Depending on who the ALCS opponent is maybe bring Bruney instead of the lefty…but Bruney’s blown this season.

  • TheLastClown

    I love Joba the starter, and I’ve held off the unreasonable expectations about him from the beginning.

    I’ve got to say, though, I really like this kid, as we all do. My girlfriend even got me a “62″ jersey that says “J O B A” instead of nothing. But I digest.

    I think using Joba’s 1st inning #s as a starter to try and project his possible BP performance is a little misguided. We’ve heard time and again about the mental state of pitchers, how it fluctuates depending on every situation, and how important it is for success, generally.

    I’m just saying that Joba knows he doesn’t have to try & pitch 5-7 innings, so he can air it out, etc etc.

    BUT, most importantly!

    Tigers lineup vs. Joba: .164/.268/.295/.563

    Tigers lineup vs. Gaudin: .255/.361/.451/.812

    Twins lineup vs. Joba: .259/.364/.407/.771

    Twins lineup vs. Gaudin: .234/.330/.312/.642

    So I say bring Joba vs. Detroit, and Coke vs. the Twins.

    Sorry Chad. Maybe I’m just a hater.

    • JMK aka The Overshare

      I have nothing constructive or insightful to add (it’s just not my style) but:

      My girlfriend even got me a “62? jersey that says “J O B A” instead of nothing. But I digest.

      You ate the jersey?

      • TheLastClown

        I was born there, ate it up, spit it out & moved to Cali.

  • Doug

    You have to take 2nd lefties even against the Tigers. In addition to Granderson and Huff, switch-hitter Guillen is much better against righties. I’m sure they’ll be a need to switch him around late in a game or two.

  • ClayBuchholzLovesLaptops

    Coke or Marte? Neither! Bring back Jesse Orosco, Buddy Groom, Alan Embree, Felix Heredia, Gabe White, Sean Henn, C.J. Nitkowski or Ron Villone.

    Damn, we really had worse lefties the last few years then we have this year. Seems like an eternity since we had a relaible lefty in the pen.

    • Zack

      Mike Meyers is still available!

    • JMK aka The Overshare

      How ’bout this: we bust Urbina out of that Venezuelan prison?

      • Free Mike Vick

        way too risky…i heard Ugueth tried to chop their heads off with a machete! and then pour gas all over them and light them on fire!

        How do we know he won’t do that to us when we break him out??

        • JMK aka The Overshare

          It’s cool. We’re sending Shelly Duncan…

  • Lanny

    I’d rather have two lefty’s than 2 pinch runners. Would be a shock if Girardi left off either lefty at this point.

    If its the Twins you have to take both just for their 3-4 hitters.

  • Lawrence Russell

    Gaudin in the second round.
    Chamberlain will always be the real deal as a late inning shut-down guy. Even if my starter only goes five, I can’t go wrong with Robertson, Joba, Hughes, and Mo in 6-9. If I must take a lefty (and I’m not convinced these two guys are better than Robertson or Joba at getting lefties out as relievers), then I take Marte. Aceves is my long guy. Both Coke and Bruney are crapshoots. Take your pick.

  • Zack

    Maybe its just me but I’d rather IBB Mauer than bring in a lefty to face him.

  • Warren

    I think I would have to give Joba the nod over a second lefty. I like coke especially his first half, but I feel that especially with the incredibly small sample size (which is always emphasized here) on marte that neither pitcher really deserves the post season roster there just here cause there left handed. With that in mind, go with marte just a better talent and take joba along for the ride!

    • TheLastClown

      Depends on what you mean by sample size.

      Career wise, Marte has 854 PA vs. LHB, to the tune of a .581 OPS against.

      Coke’s is slightly better, at .570, but in only 163 PA.

      So there’s your smaller sample size.

      Also, Coke’s given up 6 career HR to Lefties.

      Marte, with the much longer career, has given up 11.

  • Chris V.

    Any good pitcher will be a dominant bullpen arm. Joba over Gaudin seems pretty simple to me. Joba will be back to starting next year and I think he will pitch much better than he did this year, but for the ALDS he can be a shut down reliever.

    • Mike bk

      name something about this years numbers that makes Joba better than Gaudin?

      ERA- Gaudin
      WHIP- Gaudin
      K/9 – Gaudin
      BAA – Gaudin

  • rbizzler

    I may be getting ahead of myself a little bit here but I would prefer to see Gaudin on the ALDS roster with Joba headed to Tampa to shore up his delivery for a potential ALCS start (especially if they face Boston).

    That being said, I think that the two lefties are a no-brainer if they face the Twinkies in the ALDS. Detroit has trouble with power righties so I would stick with an extra RHP if the rook from Jersey comes up big tomorrow night on the hill.

  • Dexception32

    As I said in the beginning of the year and will echo now, we must take into account our long term investments mental makeup. I personally believe despite it probably being the right thing as far as Hughes pitch development to send him back, it was necessary to keep him up here just for mental sake. Hughes made similiar fold the towel concessions when thoughts were explored of sending him back to the minors, we would absolutely lose Joba if we keep him off this roster. He’s already proven to have some difficulties keeping his head right, it would be a huge mistake to mess with that more. And while he may not have earned his spot this year, I don’t think you can ignore the dominance factor he could potentially present out of that bullpen if he gets hot…

  • Mike HC

    I just don’t see how you can leave Joba off the roster. Taking Roberston, Gaudin, Marte and Coke over him is a shortsighted mistake. Almost like Joba has let you down, so you are punishing him.

  • http://kierstenschmidt.com Kiersten

    I’m glad someone agrees with me taking Gaudin over Joba, I thought I was the only one.

  • Matt

    I would take CC/Burnett/Pettite/Hughes/Rivera/Aceves/Gaudin/Joba/Coke/and Robertson or Marte

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  • Jamie G.

    If Phil Coke enters a playoff game for the Yanks…disaster looms. Just say NO to Coke!!!

  • Ben

    Joba has to be on the roster. This would be the dumbest move since Torre put Arod 8th in the order against Detroit. All this does is adds tension for no reason. Joba will dominate out of the pen. While the Tampa line up he faced was filled with quadruple A players, he knows how to pitch in the bullpen. Gaudin is not useful, unless you want another long man on top of Aceves, which is dangerously superfluous. The point is you give Joba the ball in the 7th, give Hughes the ball in the 8th and Mo to lock it down. Throw in Robertson, Marte and Coke and you have the deepest and most versatile bullpen in the bigs. The argument about Joba’s mechanics and confidence and over-thinking can be discussed in the ALCS if he lines up for a start, if the Yanks make it. When he is in the pen, there is no conservation, there is no over-thinking, there is only high 90′s fastball and filthy slider and lots of outs and lots of JOBA chants.

  • Eric

    IMO I’d rather go with Joba over Gaudin just for the potential to be more dominate in the playoffs than Gaudin would be. Idk about anyone else but if Gaudin and Coke make the playoff roster and walk out to the mound idk if i could watch those innings, especially Coke as I just wait every pitch for him to serve the other team a 3 run homer. As for Robertson, if he’s healthy, I agree he’s a lock to be on the roster, he’s been awesome for most of the year.