Comments on: Sherman: In ALCS, Gaudin starts with Joba in the pen http://riveraveblues.com/2009/10/sherman-in-alcs-gaudin-starts-with-joba-in-the-pen-18192/ A New York Yankees Blog Wed, 15 Feb 2012 07:19:25 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Jared http://riveraveblues.com/2009/10/sherman-in-alcs-gaudin-starts-with-joba-in-the-pen-18192/#comment-617836 Jared Fri, 09 Oct 2009 17:47:47 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=18192#comment-617836 Why not start CC for game four? He'd be pitching on three days rest, but it would set him up to pitch game seven (if necessary) on normal rest. Further, AJ and Pettitte could pitch games fives and six on normal rest because of the tavel/media days. CC has shown he can pitch on three days rest before and I believe doing it only once will not tire him to the extent it will hurt either the hypothetical game four or seven start. This approach allows the Yankees to throw their three best -- and only trustworthy -- SPs in all seven games. Why not start CC for game four? He’d be pitching on three days rest, but it would set him up to pitch game seven (if necessary) on normal rest. Further, AJ and Pettitte could pitch games fives and six on normal rest because of the tavel/media days. CC has shown he can pitch on three days rest before and I believe doing it only once will not tire him to the extent it will hurt either the hypothetical game four or seven start. This approach allows the Yankees to throw their three best — and only trustworthy — SPs in all seven games.

]]> By: Rob in CT http://riveraveblues.com/2009/10/sherman-in-alcs-gaudin-starts-with-joba-in-the-pen-18192/#comment-617590 Rob in CT Fri, 09 Oct 2009 12:51:11 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=18192#comment-617590 Joba pitched himself out of a postseason start, there's no real argument with that. The worry I have is Chad Gaudin against LHH. Both the Angels and Red Sox have excellent lefty hitters who will likely mash Gaudin. He's death to righties, so hopefully he can dance through the raindrops and give the team a chance to win. I'd expect a quick hook, of course. The bullpen is stacked, so Joe should feel free to pull a Torre (in a good way) and yank his starter if he's in real trouble. Joba pitched himself out of a postseason start, there’s no real argument with that. The worry I have is Chad Gaudin against LHH. Both the Angels and Red Sox have excellent lefty hitters who will likely mash Gaudin. He’s death to righties, so hopefully he can dance through the raindrops and give the team a chance to win. I’d expect a quick hook, of course. The bullpen is stacked, so Joe should feel free to pull a Torre (in a good way) and yank his starter if he’s in real trouble.

]]> By: Mike Silva’s New York Baseball Digest » Blog Archive » Thoughts on 3 Starters, Joba, Gaudin, Bullpen http://riveraveblues.com/2009/10/sherman-in-alcs-gaudin-starts-with-joba-in-the-pen-18192/#comment-617574 Mike Silva’s New York Baseball Digest » Blog Archive » Thoughts on 3 Starters, Joba, Gaudin, Bullpen Fri, 09 Oct 2009 11:30:40 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=18192#comment-617574 [...] what does this say about Chamberlain? As River Avenue Blues Benjamin Kabak stated this move “may reignite the debate over Joba’s proper role.” I [...] [...] what does this say about Chamberlain? As River Avenue Blues Benjamin Kabak stated this move “may reignite the debate over Joba’s proper role.” I [...]

]]> By: Joba will be just fine in the bullpen | River Avenue Blues http://riveraveblues.com/2009/10/sherman-in-alcs-gaudin-starts-with-joba-in-the-pen-18192/#comment-617387 Joba will be just fine in the bullpen | River Avenue Blues Fri, 09 Oct 2009 04:01:51 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=18192#comment-617387 [...] bullpen for the remainder of the season, we deemed it big enough news to get an instant post. Ben briefly discussed the decision yesterday evening, but left it as mostly a report. There’s a lot more to say about this move, [...] [...] bullpen for the remainder of the season, we deemed it big enough news to get an instant post. Ben briefly discussed the decision yesterday evening, but left it as mostly a report. There’s a lot more to say about this move, [...]

]]> By: Nickel http://riveraveblues.com/2009/10/sherman-in-alcs-gaudin-starts-with-joba-in-the-pen-18192/#comment-617352 Nickel Fri, 09 Oct 2009 03:44:55 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=18192#comment-617352 I love this blog and I think all three of you guys are great, but Ben, I must respectfully disagree with you on this one. First of all, let me just say that I think Joba will eventually be an excellent starting pitcher. But the ALCS is not the time for development. Right now, you do whatever it takes to win. Joba's good outing against Boston notwithstanding, he hasn't really shown much the last few months of the season to instill any sort of confidence in him. The best way to use him now, after he's already thrown his 160-something innings or so this season (I'm too lazy to look up the number right now) is to put him in the bullpen. That's where he's most effective NOW, and that's how he needs to be utilized. It doesn't mean he won't be an effective starting pitcher next season, but that's not a concern right now. Gaudin, while he's not light's out, has shown since he came to the Bronx that he will keep you in the ballgame, and from your #4 starter, that's all you really need from him. As for the media debate, who cares. I get the vast majority of my Yankees news from this blog anyway. :-) I love this blog and I think all three of you guys are great, but Ben, I must respectfully disagree with you on this one. First of all, let me just say that I think Joba will eventually be an excellent starting pitcher. But the ALCS is not the time for development. Right now, you do whatever it takes to win. Joba’s good outing against Boston notwithstanding, he hasn’t really shown much the last few months of the season to instill any sort of confidence in him. The best way to use him now, after he’s already thrown his 160-something innings or so this season (I’m too lazy to look up the number right now) is to put him in the bullpen. That’s where he’s most effective NOW, and that’s how he needs to be utilized. It doesn’t mean he won’t be an effective starting pitcher next season, but that’s not a concern right now.

Gaudin, while he’s not light’s out, has shown since he came to the Bronx that he will keep you in the ballgame, and from your #4 starter, that’s all you really need from him.

As for the media debate, who cares. I get the vast majority of my Yankees news from this blog anyway. :-)

]]> By: Sherman: Gaudin Would Be 4th Starter in ALCS http://riveraveblues.com/2009/10/sherman-in-alcs-gaudin-starts-with-joba-in-the-pen-18192/#comment-617327 Sherman: Gaudin Would Be 4th Starter in ALCS Fri, 09 Oct 2009 03:39:51 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=18192#comment-617327 [...] Joel Sherman (hat-tip to River Ave. Blues): Should the Yankees advance to the ALCS, they are leaning heavily toward using Chad Gaudin rather [...] [...] Joel Sherman (hat-tip to River Ave. Blues): Should the Yankees advance to the ALCS, they are leaning heavily toward using Chad Gaudin rather [...]

]]> By: steve (different one) http://riveraveblues.com/2009/10/sherman-in-alcs-gaudin-starts-with-joba-in-the-pen-18192/#comment-617262 steve (different one) Fri, 09 Oct 2009 03:12:09 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=18192#comment-617262 he only agreed b/c it means disagreeing with Ben he only agreed b/c it means disagreeing with Ben

]]> By: pete http://riveraveblues.com/2009/10/sherman-in-alcs-gaudin-starts-with-joba-in-the-pen-18192/#comment-617218 pete Fri, 09 Oct 2009 02:41:51 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=18192#comment-617218 the thing is, gaudin out of the pen isn't particularly confidence-inspiring. at this point joba isn't either, but by the time he's scheduled to start, he could very well be. Think of it this way: yanks will be playing the angels/sox 4th starter, and really only need 4 innings out of chad. Literally, if the guy goes 4 innings and gives up 2 runs, he'll have given us an excellent chance to win with our bullpen and offense. Of course, Joba could very easily do the same, but I think there's a higher chance of an absolute meltdown from him (2 innings, 8 ER, or something like that) than from gaudin. the thing is, gaudin out of the pen isn’t particularly confidence-inspiring. at this point joba isn’t either, but by the time he’s scheduled to start, he could very well be. Think of it this way: yanks will be playing the angels/sox 4th starter, and really only need 4 innings out of chad. Literally, if the guy goes 4 innings and gives up 2 runs, he’ll have given us an excellent chance to win with our bullpen and offense. Of course, Joba could very easily do the same, but I think there’s a higher chance of an absolute meltdown from him (2 innings, 8 ER, or something like that) than from gaudin.

]]> By: pete http://riveraveblues.com/2009/10/sherman-in-alcs-gaudin-starts-with-joba-in-the-pen-18192/#comment-617203 pete Fri, 09 Oct 2009 02:32:31 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=18192#comment-617203 in essence, yeah, though i think they're roles are more defined on their strengths than particular innings, apart from hughes and mo, who seem pretty set in their roles. Other than those two, I would say: Ace: early KO of starter, 6th/7th/8th inning w/ a comfortable lead Joba: Big pre-8th spot vs. righty, full inning if necessary K-Rob: Big pre-8th K-specialist, most likely one or two outs Coke: one/two lefties w/ pronounced splits Marte: see Coke, or an inning w/ a comfortable lead, if necessary it's not necessarily which inning as much as which type of pitcher a situation calls for in essence, yeah, though i think they’re roles are more defined on their strengths than particular innings, apart from hughes and mo, who seem pretty set in their roles. Other than those two, I would say:
Ace: early KO of starter, 6th/7th/8th inning w/ a comfortable lead
Joba: Big pre-8th spot vs. righty, full inning if necessary
K-Rob: Big pre-8th K-specialist, most likely one or two outs
Coke: one/two lefties w/ pronounced splits
Marte: see Coke, or an inning w/ a comfortable lead, if necessary

it’s not necessarily which inning as much as which type of pitcher a situation calls for

]]> By: pete http://riveraveblues.com/2009/10/sherman-in-alcs-gaudin-starts-with-joba-in-the-pen-18192/#comment-617188 pete Fri, 09 Oct 2009 02:21:18 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=18192#comment-617188 ...everyone pitches better in that role …everyone pitches better in that role

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