I can’t give it to Girardi because of the team he has.
That’s patently false. The criterion for Manager of the Year does not begin by stating “Please remove from consideration any manager who has a really talented team, as only managers who are financially outgunned can possibly be considered to have done a good job.”
Your opinion is not in line with the stated criterion of the award.
Saying that Girardi can’t win the Manager of the Year because he has a talented team is like saying that ARod can’t win the MVP because he’s really good at baseball. You are entitled to your opinion, but your opinion makes you a poor judge of who has most earned the award because you are unilaterally and arbitrarily removing worthy candidates from consideration, against the stated guidelines given to you as a voter.
It’s going to be Scioscia, though. Everyone will be voting for him just because of all the sympathy for overcoming the death of Adenheart. Which I think is unfair to the real manager of the year- Girardi.
Ron Washington is a complete moron of a manager. I have watched him botch plenty of games with his terrible lineups and questionable bullpen strategy. His team has won in spite of him, not really because of him. THe only good thing he’s done was to let andrus play, but that’s because the GM said so.
He would not win 100 games with this roster, i really think he is worth negaltive games
Girardi has led this team 8 games above their Pythagorean expectations, while Gardenhire is even with the expectations. While hardly a tell-all statistic, isn’t it possible that some of this difference is based on Girardi’s managing? In addition, Girardi gives up outs with a much lower frequency.
That Yankee roster looks as good as it does because so many guys gave you good seasons, and not just the big name FA signings. Robertson, Gardner, Melky, Cano, Swisher, Hughes, Aceves and Cervelli all were pleasant surprises this year.
Some credit has to go to Girardi and his Coaches for getting as much out of his support guys as they did, and that can be the difference between a team that wins in the mid-90s and a team that wins 100+.
Also, Torre had star-studded teams that were below .500 in June. The Mets had the highest payroll in the NL and lost over 90 games. Lets not act like its automatic.
Who else laughs at the Tiger cap with the orange D instead of the classic white one? I have always found the orange one tacky and far more childish than the other one.
Votes for all the awards (MVP, Coach of the year, etc.) are due from the writers on the last day of the season, right? So, if there is an extra game, a la Twins vs Tigers, do the writers get an extra day (or two days in this case)?
I may have been a little unclear. The impression I got was that while they were praising Punto for “doing the little things” like baserunning, defense, moving the runner over, they still recognized Cano as the superior player. They just wanted to make the point that Punto isn’t as bad as his punchless .220 average.
Punto sucks as a ballplayer, but he does at least have some value. I don’t want Nick Punto starting as my second baseman, but I’d rather start Nick Punto than, say, Angel Berroa.
I know we’re all crossing our fingers and hoping for an extra innings game that is going to extend into the 23rd inning, with both teams putting in their bench players to pitch.
George Lopez is like a manual stapler to the temple. Sounds bad, but if I tell you your other options are a nailgun to the forehead or a spiked bat to the balls, that stapler starts to sound pretty good…
really though, how the fuck could that happen?? he has carlos gomez, he of the 621 OPS hitting in front of michael cuddyer, who has been great this year?
I like the girl who receives the chili in the new Wendy’s 40th anniversary specials commercial. I’d give her something meaty in her drivethrough window.
I feel like I have been watching this forever, yet we have not even reached Yankees- Red Sox territory. I forgot how tense playoff baseball makes me, I’m barely going to be able to watch tomorrow.
How great would it be if they actually had to use Jackson in this game and ended up winning? They’d have absolutely nobody to start tomorrow PLUS no bullpen to back them up. Do it
From what Darling said, Casilla for some bizarre reason was off third, and might have lost 1/2 a second b/c he wasn’t on third, leaning towards the plate when the catch was made. If so, that’s another inexcusable error. Even with that throw, Casilla makes it if he gets a good jump off 3rd
How does Rayburn not keep that ball in front of him? Terrible def play especially in the 9th inn of a 1 run game. You cannot let that runner get into scoring position.
Honestly, this game is the best possible outcome for us. The Tigers and Twins are bludgeoning each other into the ground and burning through their bullpens/benches. Should make for an interesting ALDS.
Mike, why is your pick for Manager of the Year Gardenhire?
OH SHIT HE CALLED YOU OUT
It’s on!!
I can’t give it to Girardi because of the team he has. I could win 100 games with that roster.
Who else is there?
Leyland? No.
Scioscia? In that division, no.
Washington? Meh.
I can’t give it to Girardi because of the team he has.
That’s patently false. The criterion for Manager of the Year does not begin by stating “Please remove from consideration any manager who has a really talented team, as only managers who are financially outgunned can possibly be considered to have done a good job.”
It’s my opinion, how can it be false?
Whoaaa, Lombardi alert. Not saying you are wrong, but opinions based on faulty data can be false.
Your opinion is not in line with the stated criterion of the award.
Saying that Girardi can’t win the Manager of the Year because he has a talented team is like saying that ARod can’t win the MVP because he’s really good at baseball. You are entitled to your opinion, but your opinion makes you a poor judge of who has most earned the award because you are unilaterally and arbitrarily removing worthy candidates from consideration, against the stated guidelines given to you as a voter.
It’s going to be Scioscia, though. Everyone will be voting for him just because of all the sympathy for overcoming the death of Adenheart. Which I think is unfair to the real manager of the year- Girardi.
Eh, I think most of us had this roster in the 96-98 win range. 103 is something else entirely.
I could win 100 games with that roster.
completely disagree
Ron Washington is a complete moron of a manager. I have watched him botch plenty of games with his terrible lineups and questionable bullpen strategy. His team has won in spite of him, not really because of him. THe only good thing he’s done was to let andrus play, but that’s because the GM said so.
He would not win 100 games with this roster, i really think he is worth negaltive games
We all know good OL’ Torre wouldn’t have won with this roster. Who know how devestated our bullpen and our lineup would have been with Torre managing.
Yankees Pythagorean W-L: 95-67
Yankees Actual: 103-59
Yankees SH: 31
Twins Pythagorean W-L: 86-76
Twins Actual: 86-76
Twins SH: 50
Girardi has led this team 8 games above their Pythagorean expectations, while Gardenhire is even with the expectations. While hardly a tell-all statistic, isn’t it possible that some of this difference is based on Girardi’s managing? In addition, Girardi gives up outs with a much lower frequency.
He beat the pythag last year as well. Just by 2 games, but that’s 2 years straight.
That Yankee roster looks as good as it does because so many guys gave you good seasons, and not just the big name FA signings. Robertson, Gardner, Melky, Cano, Swisher, Hughes, Aceves and Cervelli all were pleasant surprises this year.
Some credit has to go to Girardi and his Coaches for getting as much out of his support guys as they did, and that can be the difference between a team that wins in the mid-90s and a team that wins 100+.
Also, Torre had star-studded teams that were below .500 in June. The Mets had the highest payroll in the NL and lost over 90 games. Lets not act like its automatic.
everyone bunt for the next 7 innings please?
Ramon Santiago is happy to oblige.
wow… i was kidding tigers…
Who else laughs at the Tiger cap with the orange D instead of the classic white one? I have always found the orange one tacky and far more childish than the other one.
Yeah, you’re so right, P.F.Doug! Those alternate caps are pretty ugly!
I know I’m late, but was Cabrera taunting the overweight kid already touched on?
Unsure, but it’s pretty hilarious.
Not quite sure what he was going for this weekend, but he seemed to have a goal in mind
The mom in those rollover minutes commercial is a total MILF.
Yeah, I guess so.
Whaaaaaat?
You disgust me.
Well, at least Punto knows how to walk.
You fail Cuddyer, you fail. Well placed bunt, though.
I’d tread lightly on the Cabrera taunts. It might be too soon LOL.
So wearing a wife beater with the #24 on the back and “Detroit” on the front, would be out of line?
Santiago with the DIVE!
Nice dive
Votes for all the awards (MVP, Coach of the year, etc.) are due from the writers on the last day of the season, right? So, if there is an extra game, a la Twins vs Tigers, do the writers get an extra day (or two days in this case)?
Yeah, I think so. I’m sure some buffoons will give Porcello the ROY based on this game.
He’s got a decent claim. Third starter all year, 20 years old, 14 wins.
ruh-roh…
Minnesota might be in trouble here.
i think losing the game with Nathan pitching could be one of the worst ways for the Twins fans.
Ok, how is Nathan going to get out of this one?
Because we need a lot more scoreless innings.
Yeah, he really lost some velocity on the fastball darling…
Yo, Polanco just got fucked up.
But he’s better than Cano!!
/ NESPN Radio earlier’d
Was that a caller, or a host that said that crazy bullshit?
Yeah, Accent Shallow reported earlier:
A gem from ESPN radio:
(after relatively effusive praise of Nick Punto)
” . . . if you asked Gardenhire if he’d rather have Punto or Robinson Cano . . . (dramatic pause) . . . he’d take Cano, but it is what it is.”
SO, yes TSJC… NESPN fully believes that crazy bullshit!!
[ facepalm ]
I may have been a little unclear. The impression I got was that while they were praising Punto for “doing the little things” like baserunning, defense, moving the runner over, they still recognized Cano as the superior player. They just wanted to make the point that Punto isn’t as bad as his punchless .220 average.
Actually, I could agree with that.
Punto sucks as a ballplayer, but he does at least have some value. I don’t want Nick Punto starting as my second baseman, but I’d rather start Nick Punto than, say, Angel Berroa.
I know we’re all crossing our fingers and hoping for an extra innings game that is going to extend into the 23rd inning, with both teams putting in their bench players to pitch.
BIG K NATHAN!!
DOUBLE PLAY PLEASE?
One down…..
holy smokes that was a good pitch.
I hope the Twins come back because Nathan is really emptying the tank here…..WOW gift call from the ump.
A ball, but I’ll take it!
Nathan got a gift.
No! Darling said it broke over the corner, as the pitch trax showed otherwise … haha
Home plate ump wants the game to remain tied…undercover Yankee fan.
What’s the officer, problem?
/Randy Marsh’d
P.S. Am I the only excited about the big South Park Premiere tommorow night?
He’s like the ref in the Buffalo Wild Wings commercial.
Umpires are such tools. All fucking day it’s a small zone. Now, at the most crucial point in the game, Marsh expands the zone like that.
boy this will be a tough out to get here
Tying run on third, season on the line, Nathan vs. Mags and Miggy … it gets no better.
HOLY SHIT A DOUBLE PLAY!!
Wowowowowowowowowow.
Wow.
FUCKING EPIC!!
No way! That was crazy!
Fist pumps all around.
Holy shit
Good job, now keep this tie for 20-30 innings.
Amazing inning there.
Bush league fist pump by Nathan. Have some respect for the game bro…
holy crap…o-cab does it again.
Lol, I probably would’ve mailed the throw into the stands from the pressure and the excitement of the moment.
Haha I actually did that last year playing short against my school’s biggest rival. Holy shit that felt terrible.
Dead cats right there. Game changing play, it’s going to be the Twins
Yup, it would seem so RAB Universe….
Fist pumps all around
I’m sure Aubrey Huff will have a thing or two to say about that.
So excited for George Lopez commercials for the rest of October with Bon Jovi for desert.
{Tilts head} REALLLLY?!?
/ Kyle’d
Who had the most to gain from 9/11? KYLE!!
Who was nowhere to be found when the towers fell? KYLE!!!!
Who crapped in the urinal? KYLE!
George Lopez is the funniest man in the universe compared to Frank Caliendo and Dane Cook.
No way could he possibly be that grating.
Dane Cook’s standup is some funny shit.
Somebody likes Dane Cook?
I didn’t know that such a person actually existed. I thought the whole world had agreed that he blows chunks.
I hate him. But his bit about crying when coming home from work and then he talks to his dad was pretty funny.
Oh what’d you have a bad day? I was in Korea. Let’s end this little teaparty.
Dane Cook prances around and acts spontaneously even though the whole thing is scripted. He’s a turd.
Yeah but most standup guys do that.
I agree.
George Lopez is like a manual stapler to the temple. Sounds bad, but if I tell you your other options are a nailgun to the forehead or a spiked bat to the balls, that stapler starts to sound pretty good…
strike zone is widening i see…
i mean shrinking
Mauer is going to end this game. it just feels like a storybook kinda ending coming up
Ex-tra In-nings *clap-clap clap-clap-clap
+1. Ideally this thing goes until sometime tomorrow afternoon.
Yeah, whoever wins I’d like to see them land in New York at abooooout 5:00am. 5:30.
Nick Punto has been killing it. That single after the long at-bat, and then a leadoff walk after another long at-bat.
That’s the beginning of the end, right there. Walking Punto is inexcusable.
Yes, the miracle to score one run off the Tigers bullpen. *rolls eyes*
Regardless, I still want extras.
I mean, I get that Rodney only has one blown save this year, but he has a 4.33 ERA and 1.431 WHIP–that’s not really “electrifying”
he throws 99, but its hard to control his 99. He’s like a better version of brandon league
Jimmy L’s sticking to his guns.
And you guys would rather have Cano over Punto? Did you see that AB? His discipline makes up for his lack of any notable talent!
that was such a horrible read by Granderson
O-Cab with a shot to win it. I’d be shittin bricks if I was a Tiger fan.
Cabrera needs to come through. If he does not, Mauer gets walked, and Gomez is up with two outs.
Ugh. Like I said.
No sac bunt complaints?
http://riveraveblues.com/2009/.....ent-613548
No, not in this spot. One run wins it, and you have your best hitters coming up.
What he said.
Holy shit Inge.
yea Inge!
WOOOOOOWOWOWWOWOOWWOOW
RAAAAANGE
!!!!!!!!!
seriously, this is getting nutty.
What a play. Season saver.
Wow Inge!
Thats right, preserve the tie….cmon 18 innings.
Did Cabrera do an airplane-like maneuver? Shit looked ridiculous.
Mauerrrrrrrrrrr
and that is why inge can hit 190 the 2nd half and still play every day.
When defensive replacements go wrong: Joe Mauer walked so Rodney can face Carlos Gomez.
what are the chances we some crazy crap like that with Freddy?
It may be an issue, but I’m hoping he’s only used as a pinch runner. Of course, we could see that if Matsui singles in the 7th down 2.
If we make it to the World Series, pretty freakin’ high. That’s what Hinske is for.
Come on, get this out…we want extras!
Mauer could have gone outside and hit that intentional bb pitch, Miggy-Cabs style.
rodney… thank you for extras
Extra innings! May there be many more!
Carlos Gomez For The Fail!
Extra Extra.
This is what you got for Johan Santana, Bill Smith. Let’s see if he comes through.
This is why the Twins traded Santana to the Mets, c’mon Gomez!
….
Yeah extras!
Way to be Carlos! Well worth a Johan Santana.
The Mets, even if they made the playoffs with Santana, would likely have Mr. Met pitching Game 2. But yeah, the Twins were fleeced in that deal.
really though, how the fuck could that happen?? he has carlos gomez, he of the 621 OPS hitting in front of michael cuddyer, who has been great this year?
Missed the game have we?
yea, i’ve been studying. i see now that he didn’t start there
? Gomez came in as a defensive replacement.
When the Twins had a lead.
Too bad he’s not like 30 feet tall. That could have saved the lead.
Plavix Dad’s daughter is pretty cute. Her and Rollover Minutes Mom together? Hot.
I like the girl who receives the chili in the new Wendy’s 40th anniversary specials commercial. I’d give her something meaty in her drivethrough window.
/nasty’d
The redhead with that creeper “Uncle Dave”?
No.
I looked for it online, but I can’t find the spot.
No.
I looked for it online, but I can’t find the spot.
Keep at it, kid. You’ll hit it eventually.
http://www.hiyoooo.com
What about the Lindsey Lohan lookalike in the Just For Men commercials?
Haven’t seen it. I do, however, think Emmitt Smith is just about the funniest/stupidest man in sports.
I’ll never forget the game where Shaq called him out on his atrocious suits.
Thou asked for extras? I deliver!
whatever happens, we’ve seen mauer’s last chance to hit for tonight at least
the OC has 25 ERRORS!!??!!! And people say jeter sucks at defense
seriously… please…more innings
why don’t they go to unused starters at this point?
agreed
this is a do or die game here
jim leyland; ron gardenhire
what a pansy…stay in there and hit.
Boys, your planes to New York just left. And you were not on it. PLAY BALL!
I feel like I have been watching this forever, yet we have not even reached Yankees- Red Sox territory. I forgot how tense playoff baseball makes me, I’m barely going to be able to watch tomorrow.
Imagine a Yankee-Red Sox game 163 in the modern day. Shit would go 6 hours
damn, crain has some BIG TIME GAS in that arm
Yankees, go to bed. It doesn’t matter who you play. It matters that you get some sleep. Sincerely, Brian Cashman.
Ichabod has good stuff.
It’s amazing that Inge has 27 HRs and Granderson has 30, yet they both OPS in the .700s (on different ends of that range, but still…)
oh shit
fucking A tigers
Oh snap!
Tigers take the lead.
Oh boy.
too bad the MVP has already bat, eh?
cuddyer, young, harris… not really fear inducing
Rodney threw 7 pitches in the 9th. Big question – will he lose something off the FB in the 10th?
Would be interesting to look at Rodney’s #’s in his 2nd inning of work
noooooooooooooo
Let’s see if Rodney can hold it down.
Boooo!
Oh shit, they’re going to riot and burn Detroit to the ground if that run holds. They may want to consider adding salt.
VCU!!!!
Ok Twins, rally time
I kind of have a feeling Cuddyer is going to lead off with a bomb
Close enough
can’t wait for Friday…..Molina vs, Verlander
Molina should not be allowed to swing…unless it’s a hanging breaking ball
Unless they literally throw a beach ball.
Nice choke job by the ump….
what?
actually it wouldn’t matter since Inge hit a double, but his second pitch was a ball in the zone called for a strike.
Rodney will give it up.
come on twins please score i seriously want to see verlander pitch
DONT SWING AT RODNEY’S STUFF
He has ZERO control of where the ball is going
well cuddyer and young have been as hot as anyone lately.
wtf did you swing at that for…
FUCK YEAH!!
A TRIPLE!!!
HOLY SHIT
Haha, you must be kidding me!
So, Mike:
Who in the system has a chance to turn into Rodney?
i.e. Flamethrowing closer with shaky command
Bruney?
He basically IS Rodney already.
Romulo Sanchez?
Kevin Whelan comes to mind.
How?
Okay kids. That is how not to play defense.
Leadoff triple.
This game is no longer boring. Wow!
Holy fucking shit.
I love baseball.
im so mad that im in class right now
Your opinion is wrong.
Yes!
I got so damn pumped watching him go for third.
Good D Det.
Neither wants to win this game.
Oh my god, these teams are trying to outsuck themselves.
What a terrible, wonderful game.
rule one of little league outfield–NEVER let the ball get by you
what a retarded dive.
Rayburn: the perils of being gritty.
That would have never happened if he were balding.
That.
I bet you Detroit would love to have some cadillac’ing, Mr. Cool, plays the game the wrong way B.J. Upton out there right now.
awful
UGH!!!
seriously you buffoons, let him try and throw 3 straight strikes
They want to play until tomorrow afternoon just to screw the Yankees.
that was uglier than Abreu approaching a wall.
ietc
Go Twins!
And Young outsucks himself.
This is great.
and how do you not get that run in?
wow, the twins reek of grit. dare i say they have almost as much as a certain northeast team that wears a certain color of socks
No you may not.
The Red Sox invented grit. They also invented grits.
ARod cant hit like that…
Awful Delmon. Just terrible.
Bill Smith might be one of the worst GMs of the decade.
Both him and Gomez are young enough to still turn it around.
Young failed in a major way (but not as much as Raburn in left)
Gotta be more selective there.
I hope this game ends up going 18 innings. Just wear out those bullpens and we can pick off the winner
sac fly plz
let rodney hang himself he is way overthrowing
what does cjc stand for? curious cause those r my initials
i can smell it now…walk, DP.
ugh….I hope this isnt the prelude to a game ending DP
Here comes the walkoff.
Setting up the double play, genius move Rodney
No DP, no DP, no DP…
Gardenhire will unsuccessfully try a squeeze play.
I’d bet Rodney doesn’t have much of a move to first.
Gotta think you try to steal here
Okay, nevermind.
wild pitch would be awesome here.
Tolbert is batting with the season on the line?
The Twins deserve to lose.
are they actually talking about stealing 2nd here?
why swing until he throws a strike seriously
strike?!
uh oh
yeah!!
NOW get the DP
Tied game
oh snap!
twins can win with a sac fly
Oh. My. God.
This is the worst-played game ever. Wow.
This is ridiculous.
What a fucking game.
Yeah. Fantastic.
TIE BALLGAME.
/in spasms
I’ll take it!!!!!!!!! DP right now please.
ok, NOW DP please
fuck yea
Okay, now the DP
This is like the battle of awful. Where’s Mr.-Cools-it-Robbie-Cano when you need him?
Game of inches.
clutchitude
cano gets to that ball.
on a side note…Rodney is TERRIBLE!…i wouldnt let this guy close my store.
Do a suicide squeeze.
This is like rockem sockem robots.
ARod cant hit like that
more innings plz
more innings pl0x!
I want them to steal home
Im just glad it’s not the Yanks, Im a wreck now and dont even care who win!
Wow.
raburn gets revenge, sort of.
Holy
Fucking
Shit
Even luckier than Nathan!
HOLY SHIT THIS IS AWESOME!
HAAAAAAA
WOW !!
LOL he tried to score….Thanks Twins, more extra innings please
Wow… Raburn makes up for a dumb play with a great throw
Did Casilla get a late jump?
hahah yesssss
BEST OUTCOME EVER!
Oh. My. God.
Umm . . . I think he was safe.
holy shit this is amazing baseball
THIS IS NERVE-WRACKING!!!
Wow, was he safe?
Didn’t Chip Caray call that a base hit?
Yes he did that was awful.
MORE INNINGS!!
YES!
To the 11th!
New pitchers? New pitchers!
That announcer is a dick.
DOUBLE PLAY HOLY SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
im freaking out MANNNNNNN
ok, best game i’ve ever seen
Better than the Boone game?
LINE DRIVE… BASE HIT!! oh, nevermind.
I know the moment was exciting, but that was a god-awful call.
hmm did Casilla tried to pull a Holliday move 2 years ago?
I’ll be satisfied when I see Verlander or Jackson, then the Tigers can win
How great would it be if they actually had to use Jackson in this game and ended up winning? They’d have absolutely nobody to start tomorrow PLUS no bullpen to back them up. Do it
I’m watching this game with a group of hardcore Twins fans, this is the best experience of my life
Not to be a hater, but that sounds a bit sad.
WHAT A FUCKING GAME
The question here – who will each manager bring in next?
With 40-man rosters, they won’t run out of pitchers – but both teams have already gone through their best guys out of the pen
Man, how do you not stand on third on that? These teams are just awful.
From what Darling said, Casilla for some bizarre reason was off third, and might have lost 1/2 a second b/c he wasn’t on third, leaning towards the plate when the catch was made. If so, that’s another inexcusable error. Even with that throw, Casilla makes it if he gets a good jump off 3rd
I’m rooting for the 18th inning.
Is it safe to say that whoever the Yanks get will be physically, if not emotionally, spent tomorrow night?
It’s like the 15-inning scoreless game. I really, truly didn’t care who won, I just wanted it to be over. We’re not there yet with these teams.
How does Rayburn not keep that ball in front of him? Terrible def play especially in the 9th inn of a 1 run game. You cannot let that runner get into scoring position.
Line Drive base hit!!! Nah man, it wasn’t a base hit.
that shit was Kayling-esque
See ya! Oh wait, pop-up to Cano. My bad.
That was a fucking hell of a throw by Raburn.
Honestly, this game is the best possible outcome for us. The Tigers and Twins are bludgeoning each other into the ground and burning through their bullpens/benches. Should make for an interesting ALDS.
this is awesome
not the way i drew it up by DP nonetheless….damn if I were a fan of either team i would’ve crapped my pants like 3 times already!
Leave him in Gardy…there’s no tomorrow LOL
How many pitchers does Minnesota have left?