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	<title>Comments on: Why are the Angels starting Saunders in Game 2?</title>
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		<title>By: Second guessing: the decision to start Kazmir &#124; River Avenue Blues</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2009/10/why-are-the-angels-starting-saunders-in-game-2-18447/#comment-641787</link>
		<dc:creator>Second guessing: the decision to start Kazmir &#124; River Avenue Blues</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] how a week can change everything. Last week I questioned Mike Scioscia&#8217;s decision to start Joe Saunders in Game 2. Today I&#8217;m saying he should start him more. This, of course, is a complete second-guess. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] how a week can change everything. Last week I questioned Mike Scioscia&#8217;s decision to start Joe Saunders in Game 2. Today I&#8217;m saying he should start him more. This, of course, is a complete second-guess. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ALCS Game Two: Angels @ Yankees &#124; River Avenue Blues</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2009/10/why-are-the-angels-starting-saunders-in-game-2-18447/#comment-630182</link>
		<dc:creator>ALCS Game Two: Angels @ Yankees &#124; River Avenue Blues</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 23:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Joe Saunders to the bump rather than the grizzled AL East vet Scott Kazmir. It certainly is a curious decision, but I&#8217;m not complaining. The Yankees will counter with AJ Burnett, who will have personal [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Joe Saunders to the bump rather than the grizzled AL East vet Scott Kazmir. It certainly is a curious decision, but I&#8217;m not complaining. The Yankees will counter with AJ Burnett, who will have personal [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Why the cold affects some pitchers more than others &#124; The Yankee Universe</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2009/10/why-are-the-angels-starting-saunders-in-game-2-18447/#comment-629870</link>
		<dc:creator>Why the cold affects some pitchers more than others &#124; The Yankee Universe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 12:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of which leads me to Joe Saunders. I agreed with Mo and Joe Pawlikowski of River Ave at being befuddled by the choice of Saunders to start Game 2 over Scott Kazmir, and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of which leads me to Joe Saunders. I agreed with Mo and Joe Pawlikowski of River Ave at being befuddled by the choice of Saunders to start Game 2 over Scott Kazmir, and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: colin</title>
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		<dc:creator>colin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>your mom?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>your mom?</p>
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		<title>By: toad</title>
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		<dc:creator>toad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Which means he needs to strike guys out and avoid freebies as much as he can. And Molina didn’t help him do that _at all_ in his start in the ALDS, which shows there’s nothing magic about Molina.&lt;/b&gt;

Yet the big difference between Burnett/Molina and Burnett/Posada during the regular season stemmed from Burnett&#039;s much higher K rate with Molina (26.7% of batters) than with Posada (18.2%). And this was over hundreds of PA&#039;s in each case. The BB rates for the two catchers were almost equal.

Explain the difference in K&#039;s and I think you explain the difference in Burnett&#039;s performance. I have no theory myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Which means he needs to strike guys out and avoid freebies as much as he can. And Molina didn’t help him do that _at all_ in his start in the ALDS, which shows there’s nothing magic about Molina.</b></p>
<p>Yet the big difference between Burnett/Molina and Burnett/Posada during the regular season stemmed from Burnett&#8217;s much higher K rate with Molina (26.7% of batters) than with Posada (18.2%). And this was over hundreds of PA&#8217;s in each case. The BB rates for the two catchers were almost equal.</p>
<p>Explain the difference in K&#8217;s and I think you explain the difference in Burnett&#8217;s performance. I have no theory myself.</p>
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		<title>By: toad</title>
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		<dc:creator>toad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That sounds right. Saunders&#039; GB/FB was .9 this year, Kazmir&#039;s .38.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That sounds right. Saunders&#8217; GB/FB was .9 this year, Kazmir&#8217;s .38.</p>
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		<title>By: Tank Foster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tank Foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>whozat--do you believe that pitchers have an effect on how hard/solidly the ball is hit?  

I&#039;d have to invoke the sample size issue on your conclusion on Molina.  Can we be sure Molina didn&#039;t help him?  I&#039;m not saying I know...in fact, I don&#039;t think we can really know, it&#039;s too hard to figure out what, if anything, a catcher does for a pitcher.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>whozat&#8211;do you believe that pitchers have an effect on how hard/solidly the ball is hit?  </p>
<p>I&#8217;d have to invoke the sample size issue on your conclusion on Molina.  Can we be sure Molina didn&#8217;t help him?  I&#8217;m not saying I know&#8230;in fact, I don&#8217;t think we can really know, it&#8217;s too hard to figure out what, if anything, a catcher does for a pitcher.</p>
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		<title>By: whozat</title>
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		<dc:creator>whozat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:09:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Umm, that’s, like, ALOT. Controlling whether the batter walks, or strikes out, and exerting some control over the type of batted ball is pretty much controlling hitting.&quot;

Yes, this is my point.  Burnett failed at controlling the things over which he has the most control: giving up free baserunners vs striking guys out.

&quot;Yes, there is randomness in where the ball goes, but anyone who has watched Mo induce thousands of weakly squibbed grounders and little flares has to know that the pitcher definitely has an effect on the way the ball is hit. It may not be easy to extract from available data, but it’s there to a degree.&quot;

Again, yes, I know the pitcher has some modicum of control over this...basically, whether the ball gets hit in the air or not and, perhaps, the field to which the ball is hit.  And, the better your control, the more likely you can impact batted ball types and BABIP.  And Burnett is a flyball pitcher with middling-to-poor control, which means that he&#039;s not going to suppress scoring by suppressing SLG, and he&#039;s not going to really be able to reliably impact where the ball gets hit.  Which means he needs to strike guys out and avoid freebies as much as he can.  And Molina didn&#039;t help him do that _at all_ in his start in the ALDS, which shows there&#039;s nothing magic about Molina.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Umm, that’s, like, ALOT. Controlling whether the batter walks, or strikes out, and exerting some control over the type of batted ball is pretty much controlling hitting.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, this is my point.  Burnett failed at controlling the things over which he has the most control: giving up free baserunners vs striking guys out.</p>
<p>&#8220;Yes, there is randomness in where the ball goes, but anyone who has watched Mo induce thousands of weakly squibbed grounders and little flares has to know that the pitcher definitely has an effect on the way the ball is hit. It may not be easy to extract from available data, but it’s there to a degree.&#8221;</p>
<p>Again, yes, I know the pitcher has some modicum of control over this&#8230;basically, whether the ball gets hit in the air or not and, perhaps, the field to which the ball is hit.  And, the better your control, the more likely you can impact batted ball types and BABIP.  And Burnett is a flyball pitcher with middling-to-poor control, which means that he&#8217;s not going to suppress scoring by suppressing SLG, and he&#8217;s not going to really be able to reliably impact where the ball gets hit.  Which means he needs to strike guys out and avoid freebies as much as he can.  And Molina didn&#8217;t help him do that _at all_ in his start in the ALDS, which shows there&#8217;s nothing magic about Molina.</p>
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		<title>By: Raf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>13.1 IP, 16 H, 7 ER, 3 HR, 6 SO, 2 BB
one clunker early in July and one real good start at the end of the season. both at home for him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>13.1 IP, 16 H, 7 ER, 3 HR, 6 SO, 2 BB<br />
one clunker early in July and one real good start at the end of the season. both at home for him.</p>
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		<title>By: tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside</title>
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		<dc:creator>tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For SalBoGrantLanny, correlation DOES equal causation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For SalBoGrantLanny, correlation DOES equal causation.</p>
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