Nov
16
Bailey, Coghlan named Rookies of the Year
ByNew Jersey product and Oakland Athletic Andrew Bailey was named the AL Rookie of the Year this afternoon, while Chris Coghlan of the Marlins took home NL honors. Bailey took over the closer’s job after Huston Street was dealt and posted a ridiculous 238 ERA+ with a 0.88 WHIP. Coghlan hit .321 and led the majors with 113 hits in the second half.
Elvis Andrus and Rick Porcello came in second and third, respectively, in the Junior Circuit while J.A. Happ trailed behind Coghlan in the NL voting. None of the Yanks’ rooks – Brett Gardner, Al Aceves, etc – took home any votes.
but let’s predict which rookie has the best major league career
AL: Anderson (with Beckham a close 2nd)
NL: Rasmus (with McCutchen a close 2nd; fyi, I think Hanson has major injury before turning 30)
Look how Staten Island outfielder Francisco Santana’s career started out. He showed lots of potential for a 3-year old.
http://www.thebaseballcube.com.....tana.shtml
Wow, I thought it would be Happ or Hanson in the NL. In the AL I couldn’t really tell.
Can anyone make a reasonable case as to how Porcello would be ahead of Niemann? I know it has no impact on who wins, but I just don’t understand voting Porcello ahead of Niemann – and at least 10 voters did.
Because Porcello was more important to a team in the playoff hunt. Not that I agree, but that’s probably why.
I know this shouldn’t matter, but Neimann is like 25 and Porcello is 20. He was inconsistent (as one would expect), but considering his age/lack of experience, what he did was every bit, if not more impressive than what Neimann put up.
Unless I’m missing something, their two seasons look really, really similar. Porcello pitched more innings, Niemann had more K’s. Near identical ERAs and WHIPs, identical walk totals. Based on stats, I don’t think you can say either was significantly better than the other.
That said, Porcello doing what he did at age 20, only one season removed from high school and never having played above A ball before, is more impressive than Niemann doing what he did at age 26 after playing in college and working his way through the entire minor league system.
Niemann coming back from a potentially career-ending injury the way he did is pretty impressive, too.
You make it sound like Niemann was so far and away better than Porcello. He wasnt.
Pitching in a pennant race is more important than playing out the string. its not all about peripheral stats.
Huh? What did I say that could make you think I thought Niemann was better than Porcello?
I even said “Based on stats, I don’t think you can say either was significantly better than the other.”
Wow. Chris Coghlan wasn’t named on 7 ballots and still won.
I want to know how this: http://www.baseball-reference......ev01.shtml gets you even 1 3rd place vote
You need to go no further than the sponsor banner:
“What he lacks in pop, he makes up for in pep (and plate patience). “
Because San Diego beat writers have 2 votes.
Didn’t David Eckstein call him and “exciting player to play alongside” or something like that.
Outside of Bizzaro World, that should not count as a compliment.
That’s reason enough for the vote. Eckstein knows greatness, because Eckstein IS greatness.
Bobby Crosby won the award with less offense.
I dunno, ask Edinson Volquez
Isn’t he an amazing defender? I might be conflating him with Andrus, though.
His UZR was -11.7
Maybe he looks great on the couple of balls that he can reach.
Bad defenders often look better than good defenders, unless they’re exceptionally bad.
Often the bad defenders make diving catches to catch balls that the better defenders get to with ease. Diving catches stand out more in your mind, leaving the impression that the guy diving all the time is the better fielder.
grit. lots and lots of grit
Ask Eric Hinske how significant this award is…or better yet…Angel Borroa lol
Borroa has to be up there for worst post-ROY career…no?
His career was so bad, people forget how to write his name six years after winning the award.
IMO, 3 worst ROTYs since 1990:
Angel Berroa, Ben Grieve, and Pat Listach in the AL
Scott Williamson, Jason Jennings, Todd Hollandsworth in the NL
The NL has definitely been stronger.
http://www.baseball-reference......_rol.shtml
Man some of the AL is just bad:
Bobby Crosby, I dunno whats worse, his career or the fact he won the rookie of the year with a 93 OPS+, which was mainly all due to the 22 HRs, which no one knows how he accomplished that.
He was picked to win the AL MVP just a couple years ago…
Now THAT is amazing…
Just wait until he wins it.
http://www.baseball-reference......ouss001mel
You also need to look at who should have won in those years that makes them such a bad pick. Matsui was certainly better than Berroa in 2003.
In 1998, who should have won instead of Ben Grieve? El Duque would be the only reasonable choice, but he only pitched 141 innings, so I can understand choosing Grieve over him.
In 1992, it was basically a coin flip between Listach and Lofton. You have a light hitting fast SS vs a light hitting fast CF. Lofton has a slight edge in most of the available stats, but without an idea of how their defense was perceived I don’t know that I would consider it a horrible pick.
You also need to look at who should have won in those years that makes them such a bad pick. Matsui was certainly better than Berroa in 2003.
As much as I don’t want to, I’m going to disagree with that. Their offensive seasons were pretty similar. The biggest differences were Matsui having more runs and RBIs, but those are things you’d expect to see when comparing a player on a World Series team to a player on a mediocre team. Factor in that Berroa played SS while Matsui played LF and Berroa probably did belong on top.
I like the Bailey pick, even if Andrus’s WAR was better. Andrus just can’t hit, and his home/road splits show that the 82 OPS+ was inflated (as low as it was). I’d probably go with Hanson in the NL over Coughlan.
Man, looking at Happ and Porcello, their peripherals dont predict a lot of success in their careers. I remember being unimpressed with both when they pitched, as opposed to Hanson, and the stats certainly bear it out. Mid-rotation guys at best.
To Porcello’s credit- he’s still not legal drinking age, and most in his position would’ve spent last year in AA.
True,true. I was probably a bit hasty on Rick. I should really look at his last five starts before judging him.
(Seriously though, you’re right. Too early to tell with him.)
Porcello should also get some credit for the Grade-A tackle of Kevin Youkilis. IMO, that’s deserving of a few votes right there…
not worse then Joe Charboneau!
If Joe Charboneau wouldn’t have had a career ending injury he may have been a better player. Just sayin.
Fun Fact of the Day: Joe Charboneau’s hair caught on fire during the final baseball scene in “The Natural”.
He also got stabbed by a fan whose autograph he signed with a Pen.
Why was I so sure you would bring HIM into the discussion?
Because, He is awesome.
Croussett is aramaic for “awesome”.
Now that the 2009 ROY awards have been given out, it’s time to start polishing Jesus Montero’s ROY award for 2011, screw 2010.
Dont laugh. That may be why they let Matsui go. Not to open DH up for a rotation but for Montero.
Montero will win the 2010 and 2011 ROY awards.
His performance in September 2010 will be THAT good.
Pedro Alvarez will win 2010 NL ROY.
AL is more wide open. Adam Tillman perhaps.
you mean Chris Tillman?
If strasburg breaks camp with the Nats, he’ll probably win it. Or Heyward/posey
I’ll go with smoak in the AL.
i can’t believe i went to college with the roy. it’s crazy because my school sucked at baseball….it’s not like i went to some school in the CWS every year (or ever)
He mentioned you in his speech today. He said, “Suck it, jsbrendog!! I’ll still drink you under the table.”
haha funny you should say that cause i lived next door to him freshman year and he could definitely drink.
Both played key roles for my championship fantasy team.