Fan Confidence Poll: November 23rd, 2009

Could Miranda be the full-time DH in 2010?
What Went Right: Andy Pettitte

2009 Season Record: 103-59 (915 RS, 753 RA), won AL East by 8 games, finished with the best record in MLB by 6 games, won 27th World Series

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Could Miranda be the full-time DH in 2010?
What Went Right: Andy Pettitte
  • A.D.

    103-59 (915 RS, 753 RA), won AL East by 8 games, finished with the best record in MLB by 6 games, won 27th World Series

    I enjoy reading this every week.

  • Jake H

    I’m loving seeing that won 27th WS every week.

  • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside pissed me off last night with a blatant journalistic error.

    In their Rumor Central, they wrote the following blurb (emphasis mine):

    UPDATE: 4:05PM ET
    John Lackey | Angels | Interested: Red Sox?, Yankees?

    Free agent John Lackey will not command CC Sabathia dollars this offseason, so we mentioned Friday that the right-hander has set the Yankees’ deal with A.J. Burnett — five years, $82.5 million — as a starting point for his negotiations.

    Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe reports Sunday that the Boston Red Sox and New York Yankees will be key players in the Lackey chase.

    If the Red Sox acquire Lackey, Cafardo says it would allow them to package Clay Buchholz in a deal for Adrian Gonzalez or Miguel Cabrera. As for the Yankees, the Globe story says the Yankees would be willing to part with Joba Chamberlain or Phil Hughes for Lackey.

    An report says Lackey’s potential price tag has scared away teams that could have been viewed as suitors. Dodgers chief operating officer Dennis Mannion told the L.A. Times that his team was most likely out of the running for Lackey.

    Here’s the actual sourced and linked Nick Cafardo article from the Boston Globe’s online site, (again, emphasis mine):

    What will the superpower Yankees and Red Sox pull off in the coming weeks?

    John Lackey could be a key figure in both teams’ plans…

    The Yankees could offer a replica A.J. Burnett deal (five years, $80 million) for Lackey. They do not want to remain stagnant, but they operate in a certain way: They like to lie back, out of the line of fire, for a while and then get in when they absolutely have to (hello, Mark Teixeira). Knowing the Sox have interest in Lackey, they are surely capable of driving up the price.

    The Yankees could easily get into the Roy Halladay hunt if they’re willing to part with Phil Hughes or Joba Chamberlain, which they apparently are. The one player they’d love to hold on to is Austin Jackson, their future center fielder who could keep their outfield costs low.

    Nick Cafardo didn’t say the Yankees would be willing to part with Joba or Phil to acquire John Lackey, he said we’d be willing to part with Joba or Phil to acquire ROY HALLADAY. Huge difference, fellas (especially since Lackey is a free agent and we wouldn’t have to part with ANYONE to sign him).



    (Oh, and P.S. to the esteemed but regrettably misquoted Mr. Cafardo: if you really think we’re apparently “willing” to part with Joba or Hughes in a Halladay deal, but the one player we’d really like to hold on to is Austin Jackson… i.e., if you think we value Jackson more than Joba or Phil, then you, my friend, need to go back to journalism school as well. You’re not reporting the facts accurately. Joba and Phil are both WAAAAAAAY more untouchable than AJax is.)

    • Matt ACTY/BBD

      . Joba and Phil are both WAAAAAAAY more untouchable than AJax is

      Nothing to add.

    • Keanu Reeves

      I noticed this too. Rumor central almost isn’t worth reading anymore.

      • Mike Axisa

        Yep. When they redesigned it, they clearly did it with the intent of mimicking MLBTR.

      • leokitty

        They put up a King Felix and got his full name correct 0 times. I have a screenshot —

        • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Felix Rodriguez? Didn’t he have like an ERA of 5.00 when he pitched for us one year?

          Yes. I wholeheartedly endorse the Red Sox acquiring Felix Rodriguez. Bully for Theo.

    • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

      “… if you think we value Jackson more than Joba or Phil, then you, my friend, need to go back to journalism school as well.”

      In a vacuum, of course Hughes/Chamberlain are more valuable than Jackson, and it’s not even close. But doesn’t that evaluation change depending on the trade proposal? Like… If the Yanks are receiving an ace pitcher, aren’t you a bit more willing to lose one of Hughes/Chamberlain than you would be if the Yanks were trading for an outfielder?

      • Mike HC

        Yes, you are a bit more willing to lose Hughes/Chamberlain if you are trading for an Ace as opposed to an outfielder, but you would still rather give up Austin Jackson no matter what.

        Would you personally rather give up one of Hughes/Joba instead of Austin Jackson if we are trading for Halladay?

        I think the Yanks would jump at a deal for Halladay surrounded around Jackson, but would probably not trade Hughes or Joba for him, hopefully.

        • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

          I don’t know, I really haven’t thought it through. Honestly, I don’t think I want to trade for Halladay, anyway. But, if we’re going to address it, this all depends on the Yankees’ expectations for Austin Jackson. If they expect this kid to be the starting center fielder, with numbers around .350 OBP, 10-15 HR, 25-35 SB and plus defense for 10 years, then yeah, maybe they are more willing to lose one of the pitchers in a Halladay deal. I don’t know… I think maybe we let our own worries about or tepid impressions of A-Jax color our feelings on this stuff a bit too much.

          • Mike HC

            I like how you are trying to take a step back and look at it from a different angle. But, the only way I would agree with you, is if expectations for Hughes and/or Joba have been tempered. If the Yanks no longer think one is a No. 1 or 2, then maybe trade one of them instead of Jackson. But if the expectations are the same as the past couple of years, which I think they still are, then I would rather trade Jackson.

            • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

              Eh, it’s an interesting question… What if the Yankees are dealing with this:

              1. Joba – Yanks aren’t sure whether he’ll regain velocity/pre-2009 form, view him as possible ace starter, likely 2-3 starter.
              2. Hughes – Yanks view as possible 2-3 starter, likely 3-4 starter.
              3. Jackson – Yanks view as possible All Star caliber center fielder, likely long-term CF starter.

              Personally, I prefer to keep Joba/Hughes and trade Jackson, if I have to choose one of the three… But in the scenario described above, considering the needs of the club, the minor league personnel and that you’re getting an ace starter back, I’m just not so sure it’s such a black-and-white decision.

              • Chris

                When I first heard the rumor, I figured that it had been taken out of context. I assume that the basis for any trade would have to include Hughes or Joba (or Montero). The Yankees made the decision that it was worth doing with either of them as the centerpiece and then the question was what else would they be willing to include, and it was at this point that Jackson got nixed. I don’t know if this is true, but it would seem to be more consistent with the team’s philosophy and could easily have gotten jumbled in the game of telephone that is hot stove rumors.

  • Rose

    A.D. says:
    November 23rd, 2009 at 9:36 am

    103-59 (915 RS, 753 RA), won AL East by 8 games, finished with the best record in MLB by 6 games, won 27th World Series

    I enjoy reading this every week.

    Jake H says:
    November 23rd, 2009 at 9:38 am

    I’m loving seeing that won 27th WS every week.

    So let’s put a team out there in 2010 to win that #28!!!

  • Reggie C.

    Considering its a short work week for baseball executives (by-and-large) the rumor mill won’t likely light up too hot.

    The newest RS rumor could liven things up before Thanksgiving. The RS supposedly are willing to eat half of Lowell’s contract. I guess they want to make room for Youk at 3B, so to make a hard run at A-Gonzalez.

    All in all. Still at a 9. Nothing’s happened yet.

  • Rose

    I’m assuming a “Fan Confidence Poll” thread is an open one? If I’m wrong I apologize. But I’m sure you all saw that Damon wants Bobby Abreu money. I don’t think that’s all that bad of a deal…what about you guys?

    Also, if we really are looking to shed money…what about Nady as an alternative to Damon? Nady, Matsui, and Cameron if Damon gets too steep?

    • Matt ACTY/BBD


      • Rose

        A 2yr/$19M contract for Damon wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world…especially since Fangraphs has valued him at about $5M more than that the past 2 seasons…

        • Matt ACTY/BBD

          No, I meant that about Nady. I’d prefer to just let him walk.

  • Riddering

    Confidence level back up to 10 since we know sportsdiva#### lied to us about Kate and A-Rod being on a break.

  • MattG

    Very confident. This team has a vision and an identity. Now, when I read things like what JuanCarlos posts above, or what Heyman is writing, I can know with complete certainty if it is true or journalistic sensationalism.

    I feel like I know exactly what motivates Cashman now, and I approve. Lackey will not be a Yankee. Sheets may be, but only at Cashman’s price. The Yankees will not be giving up any first round picks this year, especially for middle relievers. Joba and Phil will be in the starting rotation. CMW will be back for a modest base + incentives.

    And Jackson is not untouchable. If Cashman can trade Jackson + lesser prospects for Granderson, he will do it. Having CG and his $23.5M (+ 13/2 option) contract for 2010 is a better option than bidding for Crawrford, and his $60-90M contract, for 2011.

    • Matt ACTY/BBD

      I agree that Jackson is not untouchable, but it should be for something better than Granderson.

      • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Seconded. I’ll move AJax in the right deal. A deal for a guy who can’t hit lefties is not that right deal.

        • MattG

          See, that’s why Cashman might be able to get him. Focusing on what he can’t do is suppressing the value of a really good player, signed to a really good contract. Austin Jackson should be thankful to ever hope to be as good as Curtis Granderson.

          • Matt ACTY/BBD

            But what he can’t do is a rather large part of baseball and makes him not a “really good player”. He’s a good defender who smokes righties; that is not worth trading the only possibly-even-close to ML ready position playing prospect the organization has.

            • MattG

              I think that really big part of the game is being overblown. Paul O’Neill hit .226/.273/.292 versus lefties his last year in Cincy (’92), by ’94 he was.305/.439/.571. Bill James will tell you that extreme splits may occur over a few years, but extreme splits are not the norm.

              Granderson’s extremely good-borderline MVP quality-versus right handed pitching. .894 OPS, from a quality defender, at a premiere position, is more than “really good,” it’s Grady Sizemore, and he will improve versus left handers, because he’s too good at hitting not to.

              That said, if you’re the Yankees, you have to have a plan to cover up his deficiencies, short term. I do not want Granderson in a vacuum. I want Cameron + AAA veteran, such as Murton, as well.

    • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Now, when I read things like what JuanCarlos posts above,

      There is not a “Juan” anywhere in my name.

      • Doug


      • MattG

        I don’t think I ever really stopped to look at your pen name, character by character. All this time I thought it was Juan. No slight meant by it…not sure what slight it could’ve meant…

      • Riddering

        That’s not what you said last night.

        • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          You’ve made a mistake.

          You thought I said “there is not a JUAN anywhere in my name”.

          I said “There is not a ONE anywhere in my name… there’s a NINE in my name.”

    • Rose

      If I remain with my viewpoint that these “Juan Miranda for DH due to wanting to shed payroll” and “Rotating DH spot” are wild nonsensical “jokes” and not being seriously discussed within the Yankee organization…my confidence is incredibly high. If these ridiculous ideas are in fact being discussed and taken seriously…my confidence level certainly starts to plummet.

      That being said…comparing Curtis Granderson and Austin Jackson in their first 2 AAA seasons.

      Curtis Granderson
      .291/.359/.513 (.872) 512 PA

      Austin Jackson
      .300/.357/.406 (.763) 562 PA

      Now Granderson has ridiculously more runs scored, home runs, RBI’s, etc. (Jackson has a total of 4 home runs in 2 AAA seasons…yuck). This clearly shows that Granderson is better than Austin Jackson…but is Granderson worth Austin Jackson + other serviceable prospects + tens of millions of dollars?

      I’m not so sure…we might want to get a look at him first…no?

      • MattG

        Its the whole package. This is not trading for the a guy in the last year of his deal. Granderson’s got 3 years at $23.5 left, with an option for 13 or 2 buyout, and all of those years are prime years. That is a very team friendly deal.

        And Jackson’s locker has a “Do Not Open ’til 2011” sticker on it.

        The worst thing that happens is Jackson becomes as good as Granderson in 2-3 years.

        • Rose

          The worst thing that happens is Jackson becomes as good as Granderson in 2-3 years.

          You have absolutely no idea that this would be the “worst thing” possible. That’s foolish, cmon.

      • Matt ACTY/BBD

        Curtis Granderson’s age during his first (and only) full season at AAA: 24
        Austin Jackson’s age during his first season at AAA: 22

        Granderson was also a college player. Making that comparison w/o any context is dishonest, Rose.

        • Rose

          I wasn’t referencing it as a guarantee for anything at all…I was merely comparing 2 seasons in AAA. That’s all.

          • Moshe Mandel

            “This clearly shows that Granderson is better than Austin Jackson”

            Yeah, you also made judgments based on that comparison, a judgment that clearly needs some context.

            • Rose

              The information provided clearly shows that Granderson is better than Jackson.

              Based on the 2 AAA seasons that I was referencing this is true.

              • Moshe Mandel

                No, that’s where Matt’s point of context is important. The information shows that 24 yr old Granderson was better than 22 yr old Jackson. It does not show that Granderson is better than Jackson.

                • Rose

                  And 35 year old Derek Jeter was better than 30 year old Derek Jeter…but not as good as 25 year old Derek Jeter or 32 year old Derek Jeter.

                • Moshe Mandel

                  Great answer.

                  You made a judgment based on data. Matt and I pointed out that your judgment was faulty, as you were comparing players of different ages, a basic observation. If you want to act like an infant by responding with babble, that is your prerogative.

                • Rose

                  And if you want to nit-pick absolutes and such that’s yours. Even if they were the same age when they were in those 2 years of AAA…they’re still facing different pitchers, etc…so that could flaw it too. That wasn’t my point. I was just providing some information on how they performed in AAA. That’s about it.

                • Moshe Mandel

                  No, that’s not nitpicking. There is not a single analyst or scout that would make the judgment you made. You didnt just provide info, you reached a conclusion that was impossible to reach based on the data. If you want to reach conclusions based on data that in no way supports your conclusion, that’s yours.

                • Scooter
                • Rose

                  You didnt just provide info, you reached a conclusion that was impossible to reach based on the data. If you want to reach conclusions based on data that in no way supports your conclusion, that’s yours.

                  It is. And I did. And if you feel proud of yourself to pointing these things out to people on a message board…then I can only congratulate you. Job well done.

                • Joseph Pawlikowski

                  Rose, this perfectly illustrates why people don’t like you. Just so you don’t go complaining about people “piling it on.” You say something, get called out for it, and respond with nonsense. Take note.

                • Rose

                  Wrong. People sit back and wait for me to write something that they can nit-pick apart…and strike like a cobra. Before people realized who I was…they were extremely polite and very cordial with me…then once one of you blew the whistle for whatever reason…things coincidentally became VERY different there-after. Had this same thing been written a while back when everybody thought I was a girl because of the name…people either A.) would have left it alone entirely, or B.) politely stated their case without calling me dishonest or anything else in the book.

                  But whatever. It’s over…and like everybody else in here…your perception of me won’t ever change either apparently. Oh well. Life goes on.

          • Matt ACTY/BBD

            I know. But, regardless, without context, that comparison is not very meaningful.

            • Rose

              It’s not THAT meaningful…but it still shows that Jackson isn’t a slouch either. It provides SOME information on a possibility that Jackson could very well be just fine in our outfield. Does it guarantee anything? Absolutely not. But it provides SOME information at least. Any previous stats don’t guarantee anything…but they provide some information at least…and some stats more than others.

              • Matt ACTY/BBD

                What? I really have no idea what the point you’re trying to make is.

  • larryf

    And what about Crawford by comparison from AAA? Don’t think AJax will hit 30 HR’s in Yankee Stadium-ever.

    • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      We will not be trading with the Rays for Carl Crawford.

      That’s flat out not going to happen. Period, end of sentence. The Rays are like the Red Sox now. We don’t trade with them.

      • Andy in Sunny Daytona

        I don’t think that is necessarily true. Boston doesn’t trade with us, because, in my opinion, they can afford not to trade with us. New York and Boston, recently, has mirrored our two party political system, there is no apparent middle ground. Tampa is like the Green Party. It just doesn’t have the financial juice to act like a badass.

    • Matt ACTY/BBD

      I don’t think Ajax will ever hit 30 homers in a season ever no matter where he plays.

  • larryf

    I agree that no trades are happening. I was just commenting that AJax’s game will be similar to Crawford’s. 10-20 HR’s and lots of speed and defense and a 290-300 avg. I’d love to get Grandy. If we get him, then we would have the pleasant decision of where best to put him in the batting order. He’d be our best outfielder for sure…

  • Bob Stone

    My Fan Confidence Poll Rating is 9 again this week. Nothing dramatic enough has happened to change it from last week.

    I’mm still hoping we resign Pettitte, Damon and Matsui.

  • Zack

    Defending WS champs? Yes
    Re-dedication to farm system/draft/IFA? Yes
    Willing to spend money? Yes
    Best offense in league? Yes
    Playoffs in 14 out of 15 years? Yes

    My confidence is 9-10 every year

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