Football Open Thread


The Giants played on Turkey Day, but the Jets are taking on the Panthers at home at 1pm. Talk about any and all of the games here.

Categories : Asides, Not Baseball


  1. Mike Pop says:

    Let’s go DeAngelo Williams and Thomas Jones!

  2. Mike Axisa says:

    Darrelle Revis is a man, he’s 40.

  3. Tank the Frank says:

    I’ll be shocked if Sanchez completes 10 passes today.

  4. Hobs says:

    Texans are putting a hurting on the colts. If this catch gets ruled a TD it’s 21-0.

  5. Sleepy Carl says:

    Houston looks like the undefeated team right now.

  6. Mike Axisa says:

    I’ll say it again: Darrelle Revis is a man, he’s 40.

  7. pat says:

    Revis, pretty good.

  8. Bonos says:

    “The Giants played on Turkey Day” – nah, too easy.

  9. Salty Buggah says:

    Just read some of the comments in the Holliday thread. Some people amaze me with their opinions.

    • Riddering says:

      These offseason trade threads are more dangerous to read than a Yankee game thread when they’re being blown out.

      • Salty Buggah says:

        Haha, thats probably true. But I mean the Yanks just won #27 and some people are freaking out. It’s amazing how dumb some Yanks fans are. How does trying to get younger and more flexible mean running an organization the way the Royals do (actually, KC does the exact opposite with some of their bad moves). They embarrass the rest of us sane ones.

    • Salty Buggah says:

      Wait a minute, is this a football thread only and not an open thread (it’s not filed in open threads)? If so, my bad for this off-topic comment.

      • Andy in Sunny Daytona says:

        Salty, what did you do for Jesus’ birthday yesterday? I celebrated, quietly, with some friends. We sang Venezuelan love songs and drank Chicha until we nearly threw up. It was glorious!

        • Salty Buggah says:

          I did nothing. I was waiting until tonight so I could celebrate his 20th and Mariano’s 40th together. I really dont think it’s coincidental that their B-days are back-to-back. Tonight, we gonna party! (/A-Rod’d)

    • Evil Empire says:

      I just read the Holliday thread too. Joe P speaks some wisdom, I’m starting to see the virtue of staying away from any big pieces this year.

      I do wonder if the Yankee budget this year is like, $212M? If Cashman gets a $10M bump in overall payroll, basically, due to large profits and the higher luxury tax threshold. Does that change everyone’s evaluations?

      Based on a $201M (actually 2009 salary for 25-man was $201,449,189 according to Cot’s) or less annual budget, a Holliday/Halladay move is not easily doable and going short term is the superior option. If the younger players already on the roster put it all together, the 2010 team could be as good or better than 2009. I think I see the light.

      • I don’t think an extra $10 mil in payroll changes the evaluation unless that $10 mil is also guaranteed for future years. Dealing with long-term contracts is tricky and the Yanks have learned that they should only enter into them when the environment is right. That means ensuring enough free payroll in future years to fill out the team with talented players.

        • Evil Empire says:

          2010 looks like a very big “show me” year for the Yankees’ younger players in both the majors and minors.

          In the bigs, we need to see if Melky can step up his game one more level and become a solid-good everyday player. Cano can be good enough to be a star. Joba/Hughes can become good enough to pitch in the playoffs … as starters.

          Then in the minors we see if Montero can stick at catcher (if he does, the Yankees will be able to save so many millions of dollars on a soon-to-be big hole). AJax can show he is ready for his debut in the majors, and all the near-ready pitchers (IPK, Z-Mac, Nova) can continue to show they’re ready to be called up or prove to be more valuable trade pieces. If most of those things go well then the Yankees are going to feel very comfortable with their options. If not, you can act accordingly to acquire the necessary talent in June or the next FA market.

  10. pat says:

    Sanchize is going to break his neck if he keeps diving headfirst every time he scrambles.

  11. crapula says:

    I could contort this into football related if I really tried but:

    Today is God’s birthday.

  12. Salty Buggah says:

    Tiger’s crash photos. They kinda suck but the crash doesn’t seem bad at all.

    And he just released a statement on his site:

    I was hoping he’d take the Big Papi way out. Because, you know, everyone is still waiting patiently for the information he was supposed to find out.

    • Steve H says:

      Big Papi will resume his search for information after he helps OJ find the real killer.

      • Andy in Sunny Daytona says:

        Papi has a big checklist to work on:

        1. Help OJ find the killer(s).
        2. Loch Ness monster and the Yeti.
        3. How the pyramids were built.
        4. Cure for the common cold.
        5. Area 51.
        6. Kennedy assassination.
        7. Kardashian Family popularity.
        8. How he and Manny’s names got on the list.

        Did I forget any?

        • ClayBuchholzLovesLaptops says:

          Dinosaurs – fact or fiction?

        • Steve H says:

          8. Solve world hunger.
          9. Stop climate change.
          10. Determine, once and for all, if Elvis is still alive.
          11. Find Bin Laden.
          1757. How he and Manny’s names got on the list.

          • Salty Buggah says:

            1757. Does (a non-Yankee) God exist?
            1758. Is there life somewhere else in the universe?
            1759. Fix the economy

            3289. How he and Manny’s names got on the list.

        • Salty Buggah says:

          The mystery of the chicken and the egg. Which one came first?!?!?!?!

          • Riddering says:

            What happened to Agatha Christie when she went missing for 11 days?

            • ClayBuchholzLovesLaptops says:

              Schrödinger’s cat – dead or alive?

              • JMK aka The Overshare says:

                Is Sammy Sosa white or hispanic?

              • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster) says:

                Dude, why did you do this to me? I just looked up Schrodinger’s cat on wikipedia and have been sucked into ‘the many worlds theory of quantum physics” the “many minds theory” and “quantum suicide and immortality”.

                • Evil Empire says:

                  Here, check this out:


                  Mind = blown

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster) says:

                  I refuse to watch that video. Refuse.

                  Quantum immortality and suicide confuses the hell out of me.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster) says:

                  To show you what I’m dealing with and how it totally fucks with your mind, here’s a quote:

                  “The philosopher David Lewis, in “How Many Lives Has Schrödinger’s Cat?”, remarked that in the vast majority of the worlds in which an immortal observer might find himself (i.e. the subset of quantum-possible worlds in which the observer does not die), he will survive, but will be terribly maimed. This is because in each of the scenarios typically given in thought experiments (nuclear bombing, Russian roulette, etc.), for every world in which the observer survives unscathed, there are likely to be far more worlds in which the observer survives terribly disfigured, badly disabled, and so on. It is for this reason, Lewis concludes, that we ought to hope that the many-worlds interpretation is false.[6]“

                  WHAT THE FUCK!

                • Evil Empire says:

                  You really should watch this:


                  It does not talk about quantum suicides. But it does talk about the many-worlds theory. It really puts it all together in an easy to digest way. If you’re getting mind-fucked as is, you might as well walk a bit further into the rabbit hole and see a clearer picture.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster) says:

                  Please don’t throw this shit at me now. I’m trying to forget it.

                  The problem is that evry arguement both for and against certain theories of quantum physics all sound completely believable.

                • Evil Empire says:

                  Quantum physics speaks the truth. There’s a lot of knowledge to be gain through its studies.

                  So I’m starting to agree with you though that it doesn’t make sense to trade any of our top young players for Halladay, though.

                • ClayBuchholzLovesLaptops says:

                  I’m glad I could lead you these multiple unknown worlds. And you will not be able to forget.

                • Evil Empire says:

                  Its always fun when you get to introduce other people to the infinite. Shit’s crazy.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster) says:

                  I just watched it. I think I understand less now than before.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster) says:

                  But are we rally trading players for Halladay? Or are they only being traded in this universe. Or perhaps we DID trade them in another universe.

                  Or perhaps we never traded any players at all, ever.

                  /Quantum physics’d

                • Evil Empire says:

                  See, the problem is you keep saying “or”. The truth is that we did all of these things, and every other possible thing that could be done.

                  Infinite realities within infinite worlds within infinite universes. We are experiencing just one of these possibilities, and we experience it as 3 dimensional beings where time is linear.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster) says:

                  Right. Sorry, typo.

                  My mind is SOOOO blown right now.

                  This shit is imposible to understand, and not necessarily true.

                  I’ve seen some really smart people write really smart debates with big words that sound convincing.

                  One day I think we’re just all gonna figure out that none of this is true, God was just messing with our heads. Or something.

                • Evil Empire says:

                  Yes. Or something.

                  A belief system influenced by religion can certainly affect one’s perception of all of this information.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster) says:

                  Actually, believe it or not the concept of quantum physics does not necessarily deter from religion.

                  I know this because wikipedia says so. Or youtube. Or givoogle. I don’t remember which, but I definitely read it, that the existence of God is not proven or disproven either way by quantum physics.

                • Evil Empire says:

                  Well as long as you read it on the intergoogle it must be true.

                  To each his own. As long as people can find comfort or understanding in their beliefs and it doesn’t interfere with the decisions of others, its all good.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster) says:

                  In all seriousness-The existence of God had something to do with the great organizer of all these sperate threads of space-time.

                  Does that mean there is a God? No, and according to my old theology teacher, God cannot be proven scientifically. But there is something to the idea that one war or another, the omniverse was organized, and there is a very real pattern to it-how that pattern got there is left to the belief systems of people.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster) says:

                  Whoa, I’m still blinking way too much. All this quantum physics stuff has given me a headache.

                • Evil Empire says:

                  I’m fairly sure this will end up in us politely agreeing to disagree – and this is primarily a forum for baseball conversation – so umm…

                  Yeah, I’ve realized now that 2010 is a year where we have the ability to make some more accurate evaluations of the current talent in the organization, both in the majors and minor leagues. As long as we get one of Damon/Matsui back + Mike Cameron plus Pettitte, I think the 2010 team has a chance to be better than the 2009 team. Its probably worth it to pass on major acquisitions so that you can act accordingly in 2011 and 2012, where you may or may not need to dip into the FA market for another outfielder, a catcher, more starting pitching, etc.

                  If we see improvement from Cano, Melky, Joba, and Hughes and A-Rod is good for 145+ games, I like this team’s chances. I’d pencil Jeter in for a career-average season.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster) says:

                  LOL. If you debated me about quantum physics, I’d BEG for an agreement to disagre-my introduction to this came on a baseball forum.

                  Anyway, yeah.

                  I agree with you about the 2010 team. I also like the chances of at least Joba having a very good year. I am a big proponent of signing Cameron, IF we don’t bring Matsui back. I’d rather bring Matsui back.

                • Evil Empire says:

                  Yeah well when you mix religion into the whole quantum physics thing, things get rather complicated.

                  I’m really not sure what is most preferable, Damon + Matsui or Damon + Cameron. It would be nice to have all 3, honestly.

                  I need to find a baseball salary calculator on the internet so I can do the math on that.

    • Zack says:

      That always happens to me when I pull out of my driveway

  13. Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster) says:

    I just fucking ass-raped this blog post by Tao Stieb (Blue Jays fan) on LoHud:

    “When did prospect p*rn become the baseball fan’s vice of choice?
    Regurgitating discussion from comment sections this week….but seriously, what’s up with the completely absurd fascination with unproven prospects – talented as they may be – who haven’t even advanced beyond the low minors?

    You mean like the one Yankee prospect he mentioned, Jesus Montero? Yeah, he’s in double A. For Cervelli, that was 1 step from the majors. Not low A.

    Honestly, if I read “No way I would give up (Casey Kelly, Jesus Montero, Ryan Westmoreland, Kyle Drabek, etc) for one year of a 32 year old pitcher” one more f**king time, I think I might just go on ahead and gouge my eyes out.

    Or, you can disagree politely. That’s an option

    There are so many things wrong with the reasoning behind this line of thought that I’m not even going to bother taking it down. Actually, yes I am:

    (1) That “32 year old pitcher” is one of the best (if I was biased, I’d say the best) in the game, he’s at his peak, he’s not declining, and nobody works harder. I understand, prospect fans, that you love to show just how clever and informed you are by touting your team’s “next big thing”….but in actuality, all you’re really proving is your ignorance by dismissing the greatness of Doc. Jesus, this makes me angry.

    No, you’re spouting your ignorance by saying that we don’t know how great Doc is. We do. But the fact of the matter is, 32 is 32, and a contract for, say, four years goes into the late 30’s. Doc or no Doc, that’s the decline stage for pitchers. Sorry. And if we sign him for one year, we’re giving up a players entire CAREER for 1 year of Doc? Insanity.

    (2) In all likelihood, you’re not getting one year of Doc, you’re getting a contract-extended Doc. Oh, and don’t worry about the goddamned payroll – you are all big market, free spending clubs. You’ll manage.

    Yes, we’ll manage, but the fact is it WILL affect our spending in the future. And a contract extended Doc is still like only four years, and we’re giving up several players’ careers. Not worth it.

    (3) Your teams are involved in the discussions because they are built to win now. Prospect X, should he pan out, will be a guy who can help you win in 2 or 3 seasons. What, you have an aversion to winning today? You’d rather roll the dice on potentially being in the same position a few seasons down the road?

    No, I want to give myslef the best position to win EVERY year, not just this year.

    The Yankees especially, by virtue of being the Yankees, will never be uncompetitive. I’d rather have young, cost controlled players who can help us win for many years than 1 guy for four years who is entering the declining stage of his career. No, he hasn’t shown it yet. But the fact is, pitchers are not macines. The constant stress on the arm almost always takes its toll. Yes, there are notable exceptions. But they’re notable BECAUSE they’re exceptions.

    (4) Please, Yankee/Red Sox/Phillies/Dodgers (to a lesser extent) fans, don’t insult our intelligence by clinging to the value of “cost controlled players”. Are you just trying to be cruel?

    Please don’t insult OUR intelligence by suggesting that controlling costs would help EVERY club, even the rich ones.

    (5) That player you’re touting as the next big thing? The guy you’ve never seen play, but can’t possibly bear to lose? He’ll be replaced in short order by the next guy on your team’s top-10 prospect list, or perhaps by the next high schooler who slips to the 6th round on signability concerns that your team drafts and “convinces” to bypass college.

    Yes, but we’re only keeping them because the team thinks they’re the real deal. We may not actually see them ourselves, but thanks to advanced statistics we know how many line drives they hit, number of grounders, pop ups, strikeouts, home runs, slugging percentage, etc. And we know what our scouts say about them.

    So there.”

    So there to you back.

    • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster) says:

      Damn, I forgot to bold Stieb’s first comment. My bad.

    • Salty Buggah says:

      Whoa. Was this an exchange or did you “ass-rape” it right now? If it wasn’t an exchange, you should try to tell this to that guy so maybe he’ll learn something. He sounds a lot like mr.yankee from the Holliday thread.

      • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster) says:

        Some dude on LoHud wrote “good post” and then pasted it there. The whole thing is on LoHud.

  14. Evil Empire says:

    The Jets are looking … pretty good this game. Here’s to small miracles!

    Am I the only one who thinks the Texans need to really keep piling it on? Peyton Manning eats 2 possession deficits for breakfast. You know the Colts miss Dwight Freeney this game though.

  15. Mike Axisa says:

    Wow, major fail Dustin Keller. Brutal.

  16. Mike Pop says:

    Washington’s heart is keeping them in the game.


  17. Riddering says:

    Every time this Kay Jeweler’s commercial plays I keep expecting it to be a spoof.


  18. Evil Empire says:

    Wow. Who is absolutely not at all surprised that the Colts are suddenly in the lead?

  19. Ivan says:

    Manning is a solid QB. Agreed guys?

  20. Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster) says:

    Fuck it. I think Colts will go undefeated.

    BOOOM, that just happened.

    • Mike Pop says:

      All the way?

      • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster) says:


        And they’re more likeable than the Patriots, too.

        • Riddering says:

          I was just about to say: anything but 18-1.

        • Steve H says:

          USA Today columnist Christine Brennan offers new details today on Peyton Manning’s locker room mooning incident from 1996. Evidently, he also scored a touchdown on female trainer Jamie Ann Naughright. As she testified in a lawsuit deposition: “It was the gluteus maximus, the rectum, the testicles and the area in between the testicles. And all that was on my face when I pushed him up. … To get leverage, I took my head out to push him up and off.”

          Peyton Manning=Not quite a choir boy.

  21. Evil Empire says:

    One more reason I’m starting to realize Buster Olney is a real knucklehead sometimes:
    From Buster’s blog today (

    “Wrote here the other day that I won’t vote for Edgar Martinez for the Hall of Fame but that I hope he gets in, and that generated a lot of e-mails from folks who thought that was nonsensical.

    And I would strongly disagree. Martinez was a tremendous pro, someone who represented the game well and who always treated teammates and reporters well. There are over 500 voters who fill out Hall of Fame ballots, and it may be that 450 others disagree with me and ultimately select him for induction, and if that’s the case, I’d be happy for him, personally. I’m not voting for him, but I still wish him well; he might not be on my ballot, but that doesn’t mean I’m rooting against him.”

    That logic IS nonsensical. If you want someone to go into the HOF, then you should vote for him. If you do not think he is worthy, then you do not vote for him. You can’t play it both ways. Edgar Martinez doesn’t give a damn about Buster’s sympathy, he cares about the vote.

    • Mike Axisa says:

      What’s wrong with that? All Buster said is that he thinks Martinez is a great person, just not a Hall of Fame player.

      No one’s going to vote Tony Clark into the HOF, but that doesn’t mean he’s not a great human being.

      • Evil Empire says:

        No, Buster is saying he hopes Martinez get into the HOF – that one particular snippet may not fully illustrate that point. He is hoping that enough other voters carry Martinez in, but he himself is choosing not to do so.

      • Evil Empire says:

        Here is the original post he is referring to:

        “I think that Martinez’s candidacy is a lot like that of Don Mattingly: They were superlative players, but in the end, their greatness wasn’t sustained long enough. Martinez finished with 2,247 career hits, 1,219 runs and 1,261 career RBIs, while playing a lot of his career on a strong offensive team in the midst of the steroids era, when the home run, run and RBI numbers of his peers are much gaudier. Because he was a DH, his selling point has to be his run production, and while I understand that RBI is not the bottom-line stat for him, here are some of the guys who are ahead of him in career RBIs: Dave Parker (1,493), Joe Carter (1,445), Luis Gonzalez (1,439), Andres Galarraga (1,425), Jose Canseco (1,407), Dwight Evans (1,384), along with Juan Gonzalez, Chili Davis, Garrett Anderson, Gary Gaetti, Jason Giambi, Al Oliver, Graig Nettles, Steve Garvey, Moises Alou, Don Baylor, Tino Martinez and Paul O’Neill. His biggest selling point: He had an on-base percentage of .418, which ranks 22nd all-time. On the other hand, he didn’t play a position. He has been a tremendous representative of baseball, and he’s the type of guy you root for in this kind of situation. I hope he gets in, but I probably won’t vote for him.

        (emphasis mine)

        That’s what I don’t like. Back up your word with your actions. If you hope he gets in, vote for him. Otherwise don’t say BS like that.

        • Mike Axisa says:

          I still don’t have a problem with it. He showed that Martinez was a great player for a while, but not a Hall of Famer in his eyes (citing the RBI stuff), adding that he was a “tremendous representative of baseball” and a “tremendous pro, someone who represented the game well and who always treated teammates and reporters well.”

          I take it as Olney saying Edgar’s a great guy who didn’t do enough to get into the HOF, but he’d be happy for him as a person if he got in.

          • Evil Empire says:

            Seems to me like a cheap way of excusing yourself for a non-vote and passing the buck onto the next guy. If I was Edgar Martinez, I wouldn’t exactly be impressed by Buster Olney’s attempt at praise.

            To be clear, I agree with Buster that Edgar isn’t quite HOF worthy.I just wish he would man up to his decision. By not voting for the guy, that’s a clear action demonstrating his disinclination towards Martinez being a member of the HOF.

            I guess Olney just wants to do his best to avoid having awkward moments in the future with him.

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