Comments on: For Halladay, cost would include Phil or Joba

By: zach b

zach b — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:56:53 +0000

forget halladay go and get josh johnson

By: The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

The Honorable Congressman Mondesi — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 14:30:49 +0000

“Look I like the guy and want him to succeed, but he’s probably a .290/.340/.400 hitter in the majors, with maybe .300/.350/.450 upside. Add solid defense and speed and he’s hopefully an overall average major league centerfielder.”

Actually… A .300/.350/.450 hitter would have been a top offensive center fielder in 2009. Add solid defense and speed and that’s one of the better center fielders in MLB in 2009.

I’m not saying A-Jax is going to be that good or that he’ll ever be one of the best center fielders in baseball, but I do think you’re losing some perspective. Center field just happens to be a shallow position right now – much more shallow than you seem to recognize.

By: AndrewYF

AndrewYF — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 04:24:05 +0000

But that’s exactly it. Ask any Yankee fan in 1995 if they could have one title for sure in 1996, or maybe 3, they would take the title right then.

But they got 4, somewhat because they didn’t trade away a franchise shortstop.

By: Joseph M

Joseph M — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 03:24:46 +0000

With respect to Jackson I agree the Yanks are trying to overhype him. All you need to know about Jackson is the fact that he was not called up in September. Jackson still has time but he will be 23 before spring training begins and appears ticketed for another year in the minors (his sixth). I think he will play in the majors someday, and will in fact have a representative major league career. I think he will fall somewhere between Gardner and Juan Rivera, but let’s not fool ourselfs that he’s anything more than that.

By: DJ

DJ — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 02:58:22 +0000

If I’m the Yankees, I’m trying to put Joba in the deal along with Ajax. Jackson is so overrated it’s not even funny and OF’s are easy to come by. He needs to be traded while he still has value, and Joba has by no means shown he can be what he was 2 years ago. Ever since that shoulder injury, his velocity has been down and his mechanics are out of whack. Maybe a full year in the bullpen fixes him, but then again, maybe not. When you can get an ace, you have to make the trade. A rotation of Halliday, CC, AJ, Pettitte, and Gaudin/Wang will be almost unstoppable.

By: Amol

Amol — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 02:17:17 +0000

To me, this sounds like some Toronto assistant GM trying to drive up the price on Halladay, or maybe someone from the Yankee trying to hype A-Jax. That said, when you mention that Montero plays “one of the key up the middle positions”, it’s worth noting that there aren’t too many people outside the Yankees’ organization that think he’ll be playing that position in the majors.

By: DonnieBaseballHallofFame

DonnieBaseballHallofFame — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 02:09:27 +0000

I think if you can get Halliday for Phil or Joba you pull the trigger.

Chances are neither of those fellas ever match what Roy is now, but that is really not the point. Roy inserted into our staff would turn CC into a number two, AJ into a number 3 (which I think he really is), and you can not resign Andy and go with whatever of your so called “Big 3″ you do not trade away. 5th starter is whatever retread you want to line up there. Andy might cost $13 to 15 for the year I would guess so you are looking at a salary wash for Roy’s first year.

Part of getting Roy would be to keep him away from the Sox, or to neutralize whatever big move they could make.

We have the parts to possibly win a few more rings here and when you do, you go for the gusto.

In a few years if Joba or Phil ends up being the next Cy Young, good for them. We would have had to pay them big $ as well, so really I do not see why you do not go after Roy. I do not want Roy in 2011, I want Roy in 2010.

Anybody thinking that the trade for Beckett was a poor choice undervalues what a championship is worth. The Red Sox have what 6 of them? Without Beckett they have one less. If the Sox had Manny in 08 they would have won another one with Beckett as their ace. That deal worked out pretty damn well for them. People on here are acting like it was the Smoltz for Alexander deal.

This team will be old as dirt in a few years, and not trading one youngish pitcher away to get one of the best ever is not going to help too much. Let us go for the rings now, we will do the Yankee tradition of worrying about later when it is later.

By: Melissa

Melissa — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:52:11 +0000

“As with Santana, Roy Halladay comes with one year guaranteed and the option to negotiate for more. He will be 33 on Opening Day, a good four years older than Santana was on Opening Day 2008 when he made his Mets debut, and while Halladay may be more durable and better equipped to deal with the rigors of age than Santana, the Yanks would be acquiring one year of an old pitcher for a few years of Joba or Phil. If it didn’t make sense a few years ago before we had a better sense of what Joba or Phil could do, it doesn’t make too much sense now.”

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The Yankees DID offer the Twins either Hughes or Chamberlain to the Twins for Santana. The deal did not go through because the Twins wanted a package of either both of them or one of them with Ian Kennedy and Melky Cabrera.

That of course was too much for the Yankees. The Yankee organization has already stated last July that they will not part with Hughes and certainly not both of them for Halladay but would consider parting with Chamberlain.

I seriously doubt upgrading from Chamberlain to Hughes would have been a dealbreaker. Chamberlain was only an opening counteroffer to Blue Jays.

By: Mr.Jigginz

Mr.Jigginz — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:48:50 +0000

Actually,I believe Theo was on his hiatus when that trade happened…

By: andrew

andrew — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 00:34:56 +0000

The Sox won 1 championship solely due to Beckett and Lowell. That’s indisputable. But who’s to say they don’t win 3 due to Hanley?

I’m guessing if you asked Sox fans if they’d rather have one title for sure, or maybe 3, but maybe 0, they’d take that one title. I don’t know though.