Nov
18

Girardi finishes third in Manager of the Year voting

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Yankees manager Joe Girardi received 4 first place votes, 3 second place votes, and 5 third place votes in the Manager of the Year voting, finishing third behind winner Mike Scioscia and runner up Ron Gardenhire. Ironically enough, Girardi’s team beat both Gardenhire’s team and Scioscia’s team on its march to the World Championship.

Jim Tracy took home NL honors in a landslide.

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  1. Keanu Reeves says:

    I really thought it should have gone to Gardenhire.

  2. bonestock94 says:

    I had a hard time seeing this incredible coaching performance in the ALCS.

  3. Zack says:

    I thought this Girardi guy was fired by in April and his team was picked to finish 3rd/4th in the AL East?

  4. Amy says:

    Glad Gardenhire and Girardi got their props… I thought Gardenhire should have won. I was afraid Joe would get no props because of the “payroll argument,” glad to see some people have some sense.

    So we’ve got fourth-place Cy Young (should have been third, would have been third without that ridiculous first-place vote on Verlander from the Detroit guy), third place MOY, hopefully/probably 2-3 or 2-4 on MVP, and a World Series trophy.

    …Nice year.

    • TheLastClown says:

      So we’ve got fourth-place Cy Young (should have been third, would have been third without that ridiculous first-place vote on Verlander from the Detroit guy), third place MOY, hopefully/probably 2-3 or 2-4 on MVP, and a World Series trophy.

      …Nice year.

      There ya go.

  5. Keanu Reeves says:

    In my mind, the Manager of the Year should be the guy that did the most with the least.

    What about you guys? What’s MOY criteria to you?

    • Rose says:

      The manager who either changed a team or season around after a disappointing past season or start. The manager also has to show good management both on and off the field.

      I tend to pick Gardenhire every year because he does such a great job every single year…and he just doesn’t look like a baseball manager lol. He looks like a guy they grabbed at the local Home Depot who was managing the lumber department.

      The team always seems like they respect him and he does an incredible job for the constant group of young inexperienced players he has every year.

    • I guess that’s what it’s really about. I think that most of us here, though, think managers are relatively overrated and can do more to hurt a team than help it.

    • JMK aka The Overshare says:

      My initial knee-jerk reaction was “absolutely”. Having thought about it a little more, I’m not sure. If we were to vote in accordance to those principles, we’d be unfairly dismissing managers that have more to work with, but do it very effectively. You immediately just knocked out the teams with the ten highest payrolls, barring crazy injuries. If the team does well people say, “Well, they were supposed to do well. Look what he has to work with!” and if they do poorly people will say, “That guy is a terrible manager. Look at what he has to work with!” It just seems a bit needlessly exclusionary.

      I think does the most with the least should definitely be part of the equation; I don’t think it should be the whole equation.

    • A.D. says:

      Manger that won the WS, that’s the goal of every team, anything else is failure.

      nah I agree it should be the manager that was able to defy expectations the most, or in the case where there isn’t a great candidate, a manager that took his team far/the farthest

  6. Rose says:

    Mike Scioscia wins Manager of the Year…

  7. A.D. says:

    winner Mike Scioscia

    Why, because they finally beat the Sox in the postseason?

  8. Johan Iz My Brohan says:

    Francona should have gotten this award, without him having the balls to sit Mr. Varitek, the Sox may have never made the playoffs.

  9. Hendo says:

    I like Gardnehire for the award, Scioscia however gets alot of credit for bunting and giving the steal sign. Did you notice during the ALCS how he gives signs/calls pitches for every pitcher
    he sends out there, talk about having no confidence in your pitcher
    catcher tandom.

    I know alot of you will say it’s because he used to be a catcher but I didnt see Giradi doing any of that.

  10. Is there a more useless award than Manager of the Year? I mean, all it ever comes down to is arbitrary/esoteric nonsense. It’s never, ever, about who objectively did the best job managing their baseball team.

    • Is any award ever really about who did the best objectively?

      • I think Cy Young, MVP, and RoY usually do. “Objectively” might be a bad word for it, but in general I think people are voting based on who they think had the best year, not how good your team was this year relative to how bad they were last year or how much “adversity” your vastly more talented than anyone else in your division team had to overcome.

        If nothing else, I think there’s generally at least an attempt to measure these things with the other awards. MotY is almost always about nothing but narrative.

        • JMK aka The Overshare says:

          See: Pedroia, Dustin for more information. Also, see Rollins, Jimmy.

        • But isn’t the MVP a lot about narrative as well? A lot of people thought Jeter should get MVP over Mauer because Mauer’s team wasn’t as much a winning team as Jeter’s. Just look at the quotes from last night’s open thread as well.

          Even HOF voting is subject because of guys who won’t for anyone from the “steroid era” or Corky Simpson saying he’s not a “Rickey guy.”

          • Maybe. But there are other people who say Mauer should get it because he had the best season. Or because he was literally the most valuable (ITO anyway). However flawed, there’s at least some of that, where there’s hardly ever any “this guy should be the MotY because he made the best managerial decisions game in game out and was worth the most wins to his team.” And I think Rose got at the reason; there’s no way to do that. No one watches every single decision every single manager makes, and if they did there’s be no possible way to remember them all. And there also aren’t statistics kept on this sort of thing. So everything comes down to the stories people spin out. Which is fine if that’s your thing, I just find that it makes the award inherently useles.

    • A.D. says:

      Gold Glove

      /angry sabermatricianed

    • Rose says:

      Well how do you evaluate every single move every single manager does through out the entire season and determine who did the better job? Sometimes a bad move will result in a positive outcome…sometimes the right move will result in a negative one…then they are each dissected and ranted about for days about how they could have done it differently…

      If you’re not going to go by strictly results…then it will have to be based on opinions…which, in itself, is arbitrary.

  11. Bo says:

    No manager of a team with a 200+ mil payroll should win manager of the yr. Their award is the WS ring.

    Scioscia and Girardi should have been excluded strictly for the terrible jobs they did in the ALCS.

    • Rose says:

      Scioscia and Girardi should have been excluded strictly for the terrible jobs they did in the ALCS.

      Voting for all awards are done before the post season begins.

      No manager of a team with a 200+ mil payroll should win manager of the yr.

      A manager with a 200+ million payroll hasn’t won yet and they might vote accordingly…but saying No manager of a team with a 200+ payroll should win isn’t fair and basically says that salary dictates performance…and nothing else is needed at all.

      Managing in New York City, a paparazzi machine where no player can relax, might actually be MORE of a factor than money is. These players are human after all.

      Their award is the WS ring

      What if they don’t win it? They’re not guaranteed anything…

    • No manager of a team with a 200+ mil payroll should win manager of the yr. Their award is the WS ring.

      False. The award ballot, just like the ballots for the MVP, Cy Young, and all other awards, specifically instructs voters not to eliminate players or coaches from teams based on arbitrary reasons like what you just said. All managers from all teams should be considered equally.

      Scioscia and Girardi should have been excluded strictly for the terrible jobs they did in the ALCS.

      Girardi did not do a terrible job during the ALCS, he actually did a rather good job during the ALCS. In any event, it’s moot, the ballots are submitted long before the ALCS ever starts.

    • JMK aka The Overshare says:

      Congratulations, your seat has been upgraded to FAIL. Enjoy your flight!

  12. tommydee2000 says:

    Girardi didn’t win simply because he’s a Yankee.

    Derek Jeter, 1999 MVP…not…but Pedroia yes, 2008?
    Hideki Matsui, 2003 ROY…not…Angel who? But didn’t Ichiro…?

    The rules arbitrarily change to not fit the Yankee candidate at every opportunity.

    There, I said it!

  13. JMK aka The Overshare says:

    Good news is Brett Meyers won SAOY. Justice is restored!

  14. JobaWockeeZ says:

    Speaking about him, how did Terry “Wonderboy Jr” Francona do?

    • Terry Francona winning Manager of the Year is like calling a holding penalty in the NFL: You could really give him the award every year if you wanted, because he’s the best manager every year whether you choose call the penalty or not.

      Francona doesn’t get upset about not winning, though, because just like Dustin Pedroia, Kevin Youkilis, Jason Varitek, future Hall of Fame shortstop Jed Lowrie, and the young trio of Junichi Tazawa, Daniel Bard, and Manny Delcarmen–any of whom could easily win the 2010 Cy Young, if they’re not traded for a Smoak-type bat first–he doesn’t care about individual awards or honors. No, Francona eats, breathes, and shits winning and only cares about the team, and he spreads that team-firstiness through his whole team of team-firsters.

      For Diamond Cutters, I’m Peter Gammons, ESPN.

  15. Pasqua says:

    To me, giving the award to Scioscia is proof-positive that the mainstream writers are turning into mindless drones. Scioscia is the flavor of the month, and because a few people sing his praises, it becomes en vogue to follow suit.

    What did Scioscia do to warrant the award over, say, Gardenhire? He worked with an all-star caliber team, a decent pitching staff, and while he dealt with injuries, the team was very healthy at the end of the year. Is this all because of the Adenhart fallout? Scioscia is “so hot right now” that it’s like he gets the award by default.

    • Losing Adenhart for the year and losing Hunter and Guerrero for stretches = losing Wang for the year and losing ARod and Posada for stretches

      The Yankees and Angels both had stacked, talented offensive rosters from top to bottom and had quality pitching staffs that were good but not deep. The talent difference between them is evident, but not titanic.

      Girardi won more games with his team than Scoscia did with his, while playing in a tougher, more talented division.

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