Girardi finishes third in Manager of the Year voting

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Yankees manager Joe Girardi received 4 first place votes, 3 second place votes, and 5 third place votes in the Manager of the Year voting, finishing third behind winner Mike Scioscia and runner up Ron Gardenhire. Ironically enough, Girardi’s team beat both Gardenhire’s team and Scioscia’s team on its march to the World Championship.

Jim Tracy took home NL honors in a landslide.

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  • http://theyankeeway.mlblogs.com/ Keanu Reeves

    I really thought it should have gone to Gardenhire.

    • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

      Ron Washington.

      • http://theyankeeway.mlblogs.com/ Keanu Reeves

        Or him. I’d definitely support Washington or Gardenhire.

      • Jordan

        Washington or Wakamatsu.

    • http://kyivpost.img.com.ua/img/forall/a/355/5.jpg Rose

      I agree with Gardenhire.

      I hate Mike Scioscia though. He looks like the dad in Transformers the movie (Kevin Dunn).

  • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

    WS title > award.

  • bonestock94

    I had a hard time seeing this incredible coaching performance in the ALCS.

  • Zack

    I thought this Girardi guy was fired by in April and his team was picked to finish 3rd/4th in the AL East?

  • Amy

    Glad Gardenhire and Girardi got their props… I thought Gardenhire should have won. I was afraid Joe would get no props because of the “payroll argument,” glad to see some people have some sense.

    So we’ve got fourth-place Cy Young (should have been third, would have been third without that ridiculous first-place vote on Verlander from the Detroit guy), third place MOY, hopefully/probably 2-3 or 2-4 on MVP, and a World Series trophy.

    …Nice year.

    • TheLastClown

      So we’ve got fourth-place Cy Young (should have been third, would have been third without that ridiculous first-place vote on Verlander from the Detroit guy), third place MOY, hopefully/probably 2-3 or 2-4 on MVP, and a World Series trophy.

      …Nice year.

      There ya go.

  • http://theyankeeway.mlblogs.com/ Keanu Reeves

    In my mind, the Manager of the Year should be the guy that did the most with the least.

    What about you guys? What’s MOY criteria to you?

    • http://kyivpost.img.com.ua/img/forall/a/355/5.jpg Rose

      The manager who either changed a team or season around after a disappointing past season or start. The manager also has to show good management both on and off the field.

      I tend to pick Gardenhire every year because he does such a great job every single year…and he just doesn’t look like a baseball manager lol. He looks like a guy they grabbed at the local Home Depot who was managing the lumber department.

      The team always seems like they respect him and he does an incredible job for the constant group of young inexperienced players he has every year.

      • JMK aka The Overshare

        Haaha, he does look a bit like an old welder or something.

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      I guess that’s what it’s really about. I think that most of us here, though, think managers are relatively overrated and can do more to hurt a team than help it.

      • http://theyankeeway.mlblogs.com/ Keanu Reeves

        Yes. In general, I think we can all agree to that. In-season, managers are probably more important behind the scenes than in the dugout.

    • JMK aka The Overshare

      My initial knee-jerk reaction was “absolutely”. Having thought about it a little more, I’m not sure. If we were to vote in accordance to those principles, we’d be unfairly dismissing managers that have more to work with, but do it very effectively. You immediately just knocked out the teams with the ten highest payrolls, barring crazy injuries. If the team does well people say, “Well, they were supposed to do well. Look what he has to work with!” and if they do poorly people will say, “That guy is a terrible manager. Look at what he has to work with!” It just seems a bit needlessly exclusionary.

      I think does the most with the least should definitely be part of the equation; I don’t think it should be the whole equation.

      • JMK aka The Overshare

        BTW: I think Gardenhire should have won this year.

      • http://theyankeeway.mlblogs.com/ Keanu Reeves

        Good point. I was thinking back to 2008 when I wrote my comment, because that year, I though Torre should have won the award. So I definitely don’t want to eliminate all the teams with high payrolls.

        • http://theyankeeway.mlblogs.com/ Keanu Reeves

          Sorry, 2007.

        • http://kyivpost.img.com.ua/img/forall/a/355/5.jpg Rose

          Who won the NL MOY award last year anyway?

          • http://theyankeeway.mlblogs.com/ Keanu Reeves

            Pinella.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Who won the NL MOY award last year anyway?

            http://www.wikipedia.org

    • A.D.

      Manger that won the WS, that’s the goal of every team, anything else is failure.

      nah I agree it should be the manager that was able to defy expectations the most, or in the case where there isn’t a great candidate, a manager that took his team far/the farthest

  • http://kyivpost.img.com.ua/img/forall/a/355/5.jpg Rose

    Mike Scioscia wins Manager of the Year…

  • A.D.

    winner Mike Scioscia

    Why, because they finally beat the Sox in the postseason?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa
      • pat

        I think Lady Gaga wrote a song about Mike Scioscia Face.

        • JMK aka The Overshare

          Ma-ma-ma-mah (read: ha-ha-ha-hah)

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

          If only we could get Cartman to sing it.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Oh o-oh oh Oh, o-o-o-o-o-oh
          I’ll get him hot, show him what I got
          Oh o-oh oh Oh, o-o-o-o-o-oh
          I’ll get him hot, show him what I got

          Can’t read Mike, Can’t read Mike
          No, he can’t read Mike Scioscia Face
          (she’s got to love nobody)
          Can’t read Mike, Can’t read Mike
          No, he can’t read Mike Scioscia Face
          (she’s got to love nobody)

          Mike Mike Mike Scioscia Face
          Mike Mike Scioscia Face
          Mike Mike Mike Scioscia Face
          Mike Mike Scioscia Face

          • JMK aka The Overshare

            The important question: Will he hump sea mammals?

          • http://twitter.com/JamalG_BB Jamal G.
            • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

              That picture is not safe for anything. Yikes.

      • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

        I’ve never seen a manager bitch and moan about calls more than he does. It’s absolutely ridiculous.

  • Johan Iz My Brohan

    Francona should have gotten this award, without him having the balls to sit Mr. Varitek, the Sox may have never made the playoffs.

    • http://kyivpost.img.com.ua/img/forall/a/355/5.jpg Rose

      If the Rays played like they did when our team was battered in 2008…the Sox wouldn’t have made it.

      The only reason the Red Sox made the playoffs is because any other team that had a chance…dropped the ball.

      Not in 2008 though, we have an off year and those same teams with a chance take advantage of it! You better believe it! lol

      Oh well…not a big deal.

      • Bo

        They won 95 games.

        Is it really so hard to give credit out? Now lets hear some anti espn stuff.

        • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

          Yet you won’t give Girardi credit.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Yet another example of Bo’s lack of logical consistency.

        • Zack

          And Yankees won more games, when they were predicted by many ‘analysts’ to finish 3rd.

  • http://HENDO Hendo

    I like Gardnehire for the award, Scioscia however gets alot of credit for bunting and giving the steal sign. Did you notice during the ALCS how he gives signs/calls pitches for every pitcher
    he sends out there, talk about having no confidence in your pitcher
    catcher tandom.

    I know alot of you will say it’s because he used to be a catcher but I didnt see Giradi doing any of that.

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      Don’t the Yankees call a lot of pitches and strategic moves from the bench, too? I thought it was common practice to relay the call to the catcher who in turn relays it to the other players.

      • Bo

        Thats kind of forgetting that Scioscia dealt with the in season death of a SP and injuries that littered his roster.

        • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

          This has what to do with my comment?

        • http://pinstripepalace.blogspot.com/ Brien Jackson

          And his roster still had more talent than anyone else in the division.

      • http://HENDO Hendo

        Yeah they do to set up infield defense or if they are going to throw through to second with a man on third, but they dont do it on every pitch that is thrown, and that is what I am saying he calls all the pitches the pitcher is going to throw.

  • http://pinstripepalace.blogspot.com/ Brien Jackson

    Is there a more useless award than Manager of the Year? I mean, all it ever comes down to is arbitrary/esoteric nonsense. It’s never, ever, about who objectively did the best job managing their baseball team.

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      Is any award ever really about who did the best objectively?

      • http://pinstripepalace.blogspot.com/ Brien Jackson

        I think Cy Young, MVP, and RoY usually do. “Objectively” might be a bad word for it, but in general I think people are voting based on who they think had the best year, not how good your team was this year relative to how bad they were last year or how much “adversity” your vastly more talented than anyone else in your division team had to overcome.

        If nothing else, I think there’s generally at least an attempt to measure these things with the other awards. MotY is almost always about nothing but narrative.

        • JMK aka The Overshare

          See: Pedroia, Dustin for more information. Also, see Rollins, Jimmy.

          • http://pinstripepalace.blogspot.com/ Brien Jackson

            I didn’t say they did it well.

        • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

          But isn’t the MVP a lot about narrative as well? A lot of people thought Jeter should get MVP over Mauer because Mauer’s team wasn’t as much a winning team as Jeter’s. Just look at the quotes from last night’s open thread as well.

          Even HOF voting is subject because of guys who won’t for anyone from the “steroid era” or Corky Simpson saying he’s not a “Rickey guy.”

          • http://pinstripepalace.blogspot.com/ Brien Jackson

            Maybe. But there are other people who say Mauer should get it because he had the best season. Or because he was literally the most valuable (ITO anyway). However flawed, there’s at least some of that, where there’s hardly ever any “this guy should be the MotY because he made the best managerial decisions game in game out and was worth the most wins to his team.” And I think Rose got at the reason; there’s no way to do that. No one watches every single decision every single manager makes, and if they did there’s be no possible way to remember them all. And there also aren’t statistics kept on this sort of thing. So everything comes down to the stories people spin out. Which is fine if that’s your thing, I just find that it makes the award inherently useles.

    • A.D.

      Gold Glove

      /angry sabermatricianed

    • http://kyivpost.img.com.ua/img/forall/a/355/5.jpg Rose

      Well how do you evaluate every single move every single manager does through out the entire season and determine who did the better job? Sometimes a bad move will result in a positive outcome…sometimes the right move will result in a negative one…then they are each dissected and ranted about for days about how they could have done it differently…

      If you’re not going to go by strictly results…then it will have to be based on opinions…which, in itself, is arbitrary.

  • Bo

    No manager of a team with a 200+ mil payroll should win manager of the yr. Their award is the WS ring.

    Scioscia and Girardi should have been excluded strictly for the terrible jobs they did in the ALCS.

    • http://kyivpost.img.com.ua/img/forall/a/355/5.jpg Rose

      Scioscia and Girardi should have been excluded strictly for the terrible jobs they did in the ALCS.

      Voting for all awards are done before the post season begins.

      No manager of a team with a 200+ mil payroll should win manager of the yr.

      A manager with a 200+ million payroll hasn’t won yet and they might vote accordingly…but saying No manager of a team with a 200+ payroll should win isn’t fair and basically says that salary dictates performance…and nothing else is needed at all.

      Managing in New York City, a paparazzi machine where no player can relax, might actually be MORE of a factor than money is. These players are human after all.

      Their award is the WS ring

      What if they don’t win it? They’re not guaranteed anything…

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      No manager of a team with a 200+ mil payroll should win manager of the yr. Their award is the WS ring.

      False. The award ballot, just like the ballots for the MVP, Cy Young, and all other awards, specifically instructs voters not to eliminate players or coaches from teams based on arbitrary reasons like what you just said. All managers from all teams should be considered equally.

      Scioscia and Girardi should have been excluded strictly for the terrible jobs they did in the ALCS.

      Girardi did not do a terrible job during the ALCS, he actually did a rather good job during the ALCS. In any event, it’s moot, the ballots are submitted long before the ALCS ever starts.

    • JMK aka The Overshare

      Congratulations, your seat has been upgraded to FAIL. Enjoy your flight!

      • Zack

        ha +1

  • tommydee2000

    Girardi didn’t win simply because he’s a Yankee.

    Derek Jeter, 1999 MVP…not…but Pedroia yes, 2008?
    Hideki Matsui, 2003 ROY…not…Angel who? But didn’t Ichiro…?

    The rules arbitrarily change to not fit the Yankee candidate at every opportunity.

    There, I said it!

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      2001’s real sham was Ichiro over Giambi. That was ridiculous.

      1999 could’ve gone either to Jeter or Manny.

      • http://pinstripepalace.blogspot.com/ Brien Jackson

        I’d throw Pedro in the 1999 MVP mix as well, so long as you’re not opposed to pitchers winning the MVP. His numbers from that year were flat ridonculous.

        • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

          What’s sick is that 2000 was even better.

      • tommydee2000

        My other favorite is the 2 guys on the same team dynamic. You know, the 2 guys cancel each other out?

        2006: Morneau, Mauer and Jeter = MORNEAU
        2009: Texeira, Jeter and Mauer will = MAUER

        • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

          Yeah, only in ’09, Joe Mauer unquestionably deserves it.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Hideki Matsui, 2003 ROY…not…Angel who? But didn’t Ichiro…?

      Angel Berroa, 2003: .287/.338/.451 (.789), -5.1 UZR at shortstop
      Hideki Matsui, 2003: .287/.353/.435 (.788), -17.1 UZR in leftfield

      I love HazMat, but Angel Berroa abso-fricken-lutely deserved that 2003 RoY over him. No doubt about it. He’s giving you HazMat’s heart-of-the-order bat at shortstop, and playing a harder defensive position better as well.

      If there were writers who eliminated him from their ballots because he was not a “rookie”, that’s wrong, but he still didn’t deserve to win. Coming in second place is totally appropriate.

      • A.D.

        Agreed, everyone thinks of Berroa’s career, not that one season.

      • tommydee2000

        But that WAS why they eliminated him. There were rumblings.

        I guess we’re overlooking the extra 33 RBI and the 100 K’s.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          I guess you’re overlooking the fact that Berroa the SHORTSTOP outslugged Matsui the LEFTFIELDER.

          RBI’s is a function of team offense. Matsui had more RBI’s because he wasn’t playing on a Mo-awful Royals team.

          Angel Berroa’s 2003 season >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hideki Matsui’s 2003 season

          • tommydee2000

            Where in the rules does it indicate that position comes into account for ROY?

            A 50% differential has to do with more than just opportunities. RBI are still a Triple Crown stat, whether they fall into sabermetrics or not.

            How are 100 K’s for a SS? Is that normal? He also had 24 errors that year.

            But the comment about the Royals gets to my point: all the new “rules” disqualify Yankees.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Hideki Matsui, 2003 WAR: +0.6
          Angel Berroa, 2003 WAR: +2.8

    • http://kyivpost.img.com.ua/img/forall/a/355/5.jpg Rose

      2008 didn’t have a standout MVP…so they arbitrarily picked a popular player from a trendy team.

      In 1999, due to the steroid era, there were plenty of offensive juggernauts that the award could have gone too.

      The awards are meaningless anyway. Juan Gonzalez won like 3 in a row and nobody ever hears about him and he’ll never even sniff the HOF.

  • JMK aka The Overshare

    Good news is Brett Meyers won SAOY. Justice is restored!

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      Stupid Asshole of the Year?

      • JMK aka The Overshare

        Spousal Abuser of the Year. Considering some of the criminal elements in sports, it’s a pretty great honor. Brandon Marshall and Peter Ndlovu placed 2nd and 3rd, respectively.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      (golf clap)

      Larry Johnson still won RHOY, right? Raging Homophobe of the Year?

      • JMK aka The Overshare

        Sorry. It was Westboro Baptist Church rec. league in a landslide for the 15th consecutive year.

        Johnson placed second.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Heh.

          I like how their Wiki entry doesn’t mince words or pussyfoot around:

          The Westboro Baptist Church (WBC) is an independent Baptist church and anti-gay hate group.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W.....ist_Church

  • http://sports-odds.com/images/stories/yankees-arod-teixeira.jpg JobaWockeeZ

    Speaking about him, how did Terry “Wonderboy Jr” Francona do?

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Terry Francona winning Manager of the Year is like calling a holding penalty in the NFL: You could really give him the award every year if you wanted, because he’s the best manager every year whether you choose call the penalty or not.

      Francona doesn’t get upset about not winning, though, because just like Dustin Pedroia, Kevin Youkilis, Jason Varitek, future Hall of Fame shortstop Jed Lowrie, and the young trio of Junichi Tazawa, Daniel Bard, and Manny Delcarmen–any of whom could easily win the 2010 Cy Young, if they’re not traded for a Smoak-type bat first–he doesn’t care about individual awards or honors. No, Francona eats, breathes, and shits winning and only cares about the team, and he spreads that team-firstiness through his whole team of team-firsters.

      For Diamond Cutters, I’m Peter Gammons, ESPN.

  • Pasqua

    To me, giving the award to Scioscia is proof-positive that the mainstream writers are turning into mindless drones. Scioscia is the flavor of the month, and because a few people sing his praises, it becomes en vogue to follow suit.

    What did Scioscia do to warrant the award over, say, Gardenhire? He worked with an all-star caliber team, a decent pitching staff, and while he dealt with injuries, the team was very healthy at the end of the year. Is this all because of the Adenhart fallout? Scioscia is “so hot right now” that it’s like he gets the award by default.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Losing Adenhart for the year and losing Hunter and Guerrero for stretches = losing Wang for the year and losing ARod and Posada for stretches

      The Yankees and Angels both had stacked, talented offensive rosters from top to bottom and had quality pitching staffs that were good but not deep. The talent difference between them is evident, but not titanic.

      Girardi won more games with his team than Scoscia did with his, while playing in a tougher, more talented division.