Comments on: No, Will, the Yankees don’t need Holliday http://riveraveblues.com/2009/11/no-will-the-yankees-dont-need-holliday-20535/ A New York Yankees Blog Wed, 15 Feb 2012 05:17:04 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Market Watch: Mapping Matt Holliday’s Options | Bird Land | STLtoday http://riveraveblues.com/2009/11/no-will-the-yankees-dont-need-holliday-20535/#comment-699692 Market Watch: Mapping Matt Holliday’s Options | Bird Land | STLtoday Mon, 30 Nov 2009 16:45:05 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=20535#comment-699692 [...] Avenue Blues, a Yankees blog, respectfully disagrees. Well sort [...] [...] Avenue Blues, a Yankees blog, respectfully disagrees. Well sort [...]

]]> By: NC Saint http://riveraveblues.com/2009/11/no-will-the-yankees-dont-need-holliday-20535/#comment-699499 NC Saint Mon, 30 Nov 2009 05:48:27 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=20535#comment-699499 You only give up one. And yes, I think he would have walked and taken a deal over taking one year arbitration money. You only give up one. And yes, I think he would have walked and taken a deal over taking one year arbitration money.

]]> By: miketotheg http://riveraveblues.com/2009/11/no-will-the-yankees-dont-need-holliday-20535/#comment-699269 miketotheg Sun, 29 Nov 2009 23:42:19 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=20535#comment-699269 no more posts before my coffee. my bad. no more posts before my coffee. my bad.

]]> By: Robb http://riveraveblues.com/2009/11/no-will-the-yankees-dont-need-holliday-20535/#comment-699261 Robb Sun, 29 Nov 2009 23:26:40 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=20535#comment-699261 Ok so there are spots to potentially fill in LF, DH, and SP. I would propose a 3 for 1 trade for Dejesus, sign either Harden/Sheets and Wang. As far as DH Damon on a 1 yr or actually I am a fan of trying Miranda as a DH and seeing how it goes. I would suggest that finding a DH bat during the season would be the easiest of things to acquire. Just a few random thoughts as I contemplate the economics lessons that are being taught throughout this thread. lol. Ok so there are spots to potentially fill in LF, DH, and SP. I would propose a 3 for 1 trade for Dejesus, sign either Harden/Sheets and Wang. As far as DH Damon on a 1 yr or actually I am a fan of trying Miranda as a DH and seeing how it goes. I would suggest that finding a DH bat during the season would be the easiest of things to acquire.
Just a few random thoughts as I contemplate the economics lessons that are being taught throughout this thread. lol.

]]> By: Paul San Antonio http://riveraveblues.com/2009/11/no-will-the-yankees-dont-need-holliday-20535/#comment-699200 Paul San Antonio Sun, 29 Nov 2009 21:13:56 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=20535#comment-699200 How many Yankee Greats were free agent sighnings? Most of the time we face the whole 'earn your pinstripes' sinario with free agents. Granted some do, but others don't. The 09 Yanks were great in part because they played darn well together. IMO historically, the team wins World Series and creates dynasties when it spends AND develops players. The current club has done just that. Continuing to do that and spending on the talent that will come due in 2010 makes sense to me. How many Yankee Greats were free agent sighnings? Most of the time we face the whole ‘earn your pinstripes’ sinario with free agents. Granted some do, but others don’t. The 09 Yanks were great in part because they played darn well together. IMO historically, the team wins World Series and creates dynasties when it spends AND develops players. The current club has done just that. Continuing to do that and spending on the talent that will come due in 2010 makes sense to me.

]]> By: Ted Nelson http://riveraveblues.com/2009/11/no-will-the-yankees-dont-need-holliday-20535/#comment-699197 Ted Nelson Sun, 29 Nov 2009 21:12:25 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=20535#comment-699197 Great piece. I've been thinking the Yankees should look at Bay and Holliday, but hadn't thought the budget implications through so carefully. Can't spend 75% of your payroll on 25% of your roster. Not only do you have to fill out your roster, but next time a true $20 mill per player, like Joe Mauer or Tim Lincecum, becomes a free agent literally entering their theoretical prime years, your hands are tied and your money already spent on a bunch of 35+ players. Why is Holliday so favored over Bay here? What are the financial implications of letting Matsui walk? I don't mean salary, I mean in terms of penetrating the Japanese market. Apparently every Yankees game is on network television in Japan. If Matsui is on Seattle or Boston, does that mean the Yankees lose Japanese fans and their $? Also, what do people think the market for Damon and Matsui will be like? Who might be interested and how much will they command? Halladay is pretty tempting no matter what the asking price and payroll implications because with Halladay, CC, and AJ at the top of the rotation the Yankees are the favorites by a mile for the next 3 years. On the other hand, with Beckett and Halladay at the top of their rotation, the Red Sox become the favorites. Given that he'll be 33 next season, though, I guess patience is in order. Josh Johnson may be a better option, but despite his age I'm not sure I would give up as much as for Halladay. He's never pitched in the AL, let alone the AL East. He's had an injury history and limited track record of success, reminding me a bit of Carl Pavano or a young AJ Burnett: is he now healthy forver, or will be spend as much fo the next 5 years on the DL as he did in the last 5? Great piece. I’ve been thinking the Yankees should look at Bay and Holliday, but hadn’t thought the budget implications through so carefully. Can’t spend 75% of your payroll on 25% of your roster. Not only do you have to fill out your roster, but next time a true $20 mill per player, like Joe Mauer or Tim Lincecum, becomes a free agent literally entering their theoretical prime years, your hands are tied and your money already spent on a bunch of 35+ players.

Why is Holliday so favored over Bay here? What are the financial implications of letting Matsui walk? I don’t mean salary, I mean in terms of penetrating the Japanese market. Apparently every Yankees game is on network television in Japan. If Matsui is on Seattle or Boston, does that mean the Yankees lose Japanese fans and their $? Also, what do people think the market for Damon and Matsui will be like? Who might be interested and how much will they command?

Halladay is pretty tempting no matter what the asking price and payroll implications because with Halladay, CC, and AJ at the top of the rotation the Yankees are the favorites by a mile for the next 3 years. On the other hand, with Beckett and Halladay at the top of their rotation, the Red Sox become the favorites. Given that he’ll be 33 next season, though, I guess patience is in order.
Josh Johnson may be a better option, but despite his age I’m not sure I would give up as much as for Halladay. He’s never pitched in the AL, let alone the AL East. He’s had an injury history and limited track record of success, reminding me a bit of Carl Pavano or a young AJ Burnett: is he now healthy forver, or will be spend as much fo the next 5 years on the DL as he did in the last 5?

]]> By: Pete C http://riveraveblues.com/2009/11/no-will-the-yankees-dont-need-holliday-20535/#comment-699162 Pete C Sun, 29 Nov 2009 20:41:46 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=20535#comment-699162 Why no love for John Lackey. All he'll cost is cash. And NY is about the only team that can afford him. Halliday will cost prospects and probably more cash. Basically whenever I think of Holliday, all I can see is him getting hit in the cup by that sinking liner in the Division Series. St. Louis got him to follow Pujols, so that's not as big a stretch as it would be for some. But NY probably gets Lackey and resigns Damon for as few years as possible. Why no love for John Lackey. All he’ll cost is cash. And NY is about the only team that can afford him. Halliday will cost prospects and probably more cash.
Basically whenever I think of Holliday, all I can see is him getting hit in the cup by that sinking liner in the Division Series.
St. Louis got him to follow Pujols, so that’s not as big a stretch as it would be for some. But NY probably gets Lackey and resigns Damon for as few years as possible.

]]> By: AndrewYF http://riveraveblues.com/2009/11/no-will-the-yankees-dont-need-holliday-20535/#comment-699141 AndrewYF Sun, 29 Nov 2009 20:08:15 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=20535#comment-699141 He was thinking he could get at the least a fantastic LOOGY, at the best a left-handed setup man. Marte was the second-most important reliever in the bullpen in the World Series. I'd say his year was hardly a disappointment when you factor that in. Plus, there's 2 years left, and now that he's healthy and not participating in the WBC, he can continue to be one of the most consistently good middle relievers in baseball (of any handedness), like he's been his whole career. He was thinking he could get at the least a fantastic LOOGY, at the best a left-handed setup man.

Marte was the second-most important reliever in the bullpen in the World Series. I’d say his year was hardly a disappointment when you factor that in.

Plus, there’s 2 years left, and now that he’s healthy and not participating in the WBC, he can continue to be one of the most consistently good middle relievers in baseball (of any handedness), like he’s been his whole career.

]]> By: leokitty http://riveraveblues.com/2009/11/no-will-the-yankees-dont-need-holliday-20535/#comment-699122 leokitty Sun, 29 Nov 2009 19:53:18 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=20535#comment-699122 Do you really think anyone would have signed Marte and given up 2 draft picks for him if they offered arb? Because I do not. Do you really think anyone would have signed Marte and given up 2 draft picks for him if they offered arb? Because I do not.

]]> By: The Honorable Congressman Mondesi http://riveraveblues.com/2009/11/no-will-the-yankees-dont-need-holliday-20535/#comment-699109 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi Sun, 29 Nov 2009 19:41:02 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=20535#comment-699109 Oh we're all familiar with throw-away statements and sweeping generalizations... We just think they lower the level of discourse. Oh we’re all familiar with throw-away statements and sweeping generalizations… We just think they lower the level of discourse.

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