Open Thread: Important Offseason Dates

Open Thread: Giants-Chargers
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Now that we’ve all recovered from the madness of the last five days (somewhat), let’s take a second to look ahead to the offseason. Here’s a roundup of the important dates you need to know about for the winter.

  • November 9th-11th: GM Meetings in Chicago. Definitely not as exciting as the Winter Meetings, though you may see a deal or two get done.
  • November 20th: Players who filed for free agency officially hit the open market. Prior to this date, they are only able to negotiate with their current team.
  • December 1st: Last day for teams to offer their free agents arbitration. Any Type-A or Type-B free agents that sign with a new team before their old  team offered arbitration do bring back compensation draft picks.
  • December 7th-10th: Winter Meetings in Indianapolis. Total chaos.
  • December 10th: Rule 5 Draft. Last year, players had to be added to the 40-man roster on November 20th to avoid being eligible, but I’m not sure what that date is this season.
  • December 12th: Last day for teams to tender contracts to unsigned players, a.k.a. no-tender day. Could easily be Brian Bruney’s last day as a Yankee.
  • January 5th-15th: Salary arbitration filing period.
  • January 19th: Teams and players exchange salary figures for arbitration.
  • February 1st-21st: Arbitration hearings.
  • March 2nd-11th: Teams can renew the contracts of pre-arbitration eligible players (0-3 years of service time) if they have not yet accepted an offer. Teams can renew players for pretty much any salary they want, though most teams (Yankees included) have a scale they use that bases a player’s salary on service time.
  • March 17th: Last day to put a player on unconditional release waivers and pay only 30 days of termination pay. After this date, teams must pay 45 days worth of termination pay.
  • March 31st: Last day to put a player on unconditional release waivers and pay only 45 days of termination pay. After this date, teams must pay the player their full 2010 salary.
  • April 4th: Opening Day, rosters must be cut down to 25 players.

So that’s that. Now if you have any questions about when a team has to offer a player arbitration or anything like that, you can always refer back to this post.

Anyway, use this as your open thread for the night. The Cowboys and Eagles are your late game, and there’s also some new episodes of Family Guy and American Dad on as well. Some say Seth MacFarlane is a one trick pony, but I still enjoy it. Anything goes, just be nice.

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Open Thread: Giants-Chargers
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  • Salty Buggah

    3 OTs in one day? Is that a record

  • Salty Buggah

    I remember how the Hot Stove season last year was one of the most exciting in recent years. We were anxiously waiting on the 3 guys I really wanted and we got them all. I remember hearing the news coming out for AJ, CC, and then Tex. Man, that was really exciting.

    • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

      When Tex was signed I was in such a great mood for weeks. Boston was panicking, the whole world turned against the Yankees, and at that time everybody knew that we were set up for a great season.

  • Zack

    Man this is going to be a slowwww 2 weeks for baseball news IMO.

  • Salty Buggah

    You guys going to the winter meeting again this year? What did guys do (besides the Vegas stuff)there last year?

    • Tom Zig

      Hookers.

    • Accent Shallow

      Come on, where would you rather go in December: Vegas or Indianapolis?

  • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

    http://insider.espn.go.com/esp.....ney_buster

    Buster Onley seems to think the non tender market will be flooded this year, so there could be a lot of player movement. He says its a sign that the arbitration process simply doesn’t work anymore, but I suspect the MLBPA won’t want to change anything.

    • Zack

      Yeah it’s letting high payroll teams like the Yankees steal young talent who get too expensive, like Jeremy Hermida, from small market teams, wait what?

      But isnt the arbitration process only outdated because what happened to the economy? You cant expect them to suddenly change the system because of 1 or 2 years. And like you said, the player’s union wouldnt, nor should they, change it so their members get less money.

      • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

        Right, but it cuts both ways. The arb process drives salaries up, but non-tenders have to sing for their supper.

        Reforming the arb rules makes the most sense to me, where the judges would get to weigh performance more heavily. Now, it’s most based on service time. If performance was more of a factor, teams would be more willing to take their chances with the arb process.

        • Zack

          I agree the rules need to be altered. But I think we also need to wait and see if 90+ guys really get non-tendered before we see any serious talk about changing the process.

        • Tom Zig

          Will we ever see a day when someone has their salary reduced by going to arbitration?

          • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

            Yes, when performance gets factored in more heavily.

  • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

    Giants are totally finished.

    Now I am a HUGE Coughlin fan and think he’s an outstanding coach, but he lost the game (and season) when he called for two run plays on 2nd and 3rd and goal. That’s bullshit. You don’t just give Phillip Rivers the ball with 2 minutes left and a chance to win the game against a defense that just got torched by Mcnabb, Brees, and Warner. Just awful, awful playcalling.

    On a happy note, I’m recording the MLB path to the Championship show at 9:00!

    • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

      Now I am a HUGE Coughlin fan and think he’s an outstanding coach, but he lost the game (and season) when he called for two run plays on 2nd and 3rd and goal.

      Seriously? The season? I understand you’re upset after another big loss, but try reading that again in an hour or two after you’ve calmed down. You’ll realize how silly what you just said is.

      • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

        4 losses in a row, there is no way they’re coming back from that. None. not with the way they’ve played, the division they’re in, and the schedule they have.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Yeah… no.

          • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

            Seriously, I’m going to try and figure out the last team that lost four games in a row and made the playoffs.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              Don’t waste your brain cells. The fact that you lost four in a row is offset by the fact that you won five in a row before that. If these losses had been interspersed (i.e. W-L-W-L-W-L-W-L-W), you’d feel a lot more confident. If you started with a four game losing streak and then had won five in a row, you’d feel much better.

              You’re overreacting again to the visceral emotion of the whole thing. Fact remains, no matter what order your wins and losses came in, the Giants are still going to be only a game back in the win column and two games back in the loss column, with half a season left to play.

              The number of teams who made the playoffs in a season where they lost four games may be small or nonexistent, but it’s not relevant. Go look up how many 5-4 teams ever won the division when trailing a first place team who was 6-2. I bet you’ll find out the number is quite sizable.

              Remember when we lost 8 straight to the Sox, and there was no way we were making the playoffs? Yeah. Back up from the cliff.

              • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                Different though. They’ve not only lost four in a row, they’ve looked bad doing it. And the baseball season is a very different animal from the football season. Momentum is more real in football than baseball. The Giants defense has played awful, they’ve committed penalties, they’ve lost both close games and blowouts.

                I don’t see them making the playoffs.

              • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                And if we do make the playoffs, my respone will be the same as The Artist’s when he said there was no way we were coming back vs. Nathan game 2 of the ALDS. He said (paraphrased):

                “Reverse psychology, my friends. Because what we say and do on this blog has a very real impact on what happens on the field.”

                • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

                  Wow, good memory. I forget the context of the post I was responding to, though I’m pretty sure I was being facetious.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  You were.

              • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                Just 1 more thing…found this browsing Ask.com, from 06′ about Denver:

                “Denver is trying to become the ninth team since 1997 to endure a four-game losing streak and advance to the postseason. Only one team in the past 10 years, the 1997 Vikings, has lost five straight and made the playoffs.”

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  So, then:

                  9 teams in the past 12 years have lost four in a row and made the playoffs. That’s not a small number.

                  Seems like your statement that “there is no way they’re coming back from that. None.” is a bit overblown, no?

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  Yes, which actually SHOCKS me. Really shocks me. Odd statistic

                  I still find it hard to see them making the playoffs, but finding out this information makes me think it’s not over. There is HOPE!

                  …But I’m unoptimistic.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  Facts >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hunches

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  Yes, they are.

                  At leats give me credit for taking the time to look it up and not just make a balnket comment like “very few teams that lost four in a row made the playoffs.”

                • andrew

                  The Giants also have a brutal, brutal schedule the rest of the way. They probably need to go 5-2 against:
                  Vikings, Cowboys, Eagles, Redskins, Panthers, Broncos and Atlanta.

                  It’s not impossible… but I’d be surprised if they pulled that off.

                • Steven

                  I’m not sure if someone else answered this but the Giants lost five straight 3 seasons ago and still made the playoffs

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  I give you credit, and give you additional credit for being man enough to admit your initial reaction was probably wrong.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  Possible wins: Redskins, Panthers, Cowboys, Eagles, Atlanta.

                  Not easy, but possible. Just possible.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  Which brings my total credit total up to…?

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  You’ll have to go to freecreditreport.com to find that out.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  Yeeha! I could of seen it coming at me like an atom bomb.

                  They monitor your credit and send you email alerts, so you don’t end up selling fish to tourists in T-shirts!

    • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

      Sorry guys, did not notice the Giants-Chargers thread next to this one. My bad.

    • Reggie C.

      I dont know why Coughlin doesn’t just let Eli go to Nicks on a shuttle pass.

      On a night Brandon Jacobs appeared strong, Ahmad Bradshaw comes up woefully inadequate. The offense has no balance. Eli has lost the ability to make big plays.

      • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

        I disagree about Eli. He played great.

        Tynes, the playcalling, penalties, and atrocious defense on the final drive lost this game. Eli did not. The running game did not.

        • Reggie C.

          Defensively … wtf has happened?

          This pass rush has been soooo disappointing. The secondary is banged up but i would think this is something that will eventually get better as players start healing.

          • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

            What’s weird is that the pass rush is the only thing NOT injured, yet they suck.

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

    “December 7th-10th: Winter Meetings in Indianapolis. Total chaos.”

    Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling! Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes! The dead rising from the grave! HUMAN SACRIFICE, DOGS AND CATS LIVING TOGETHER!!! MASS HYSTERIA!

  • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime

    Hey, Giants fans, it ain’t all bad, you could be Jets fans…

    Oh, and I know now that Mariano is worth 2 championships all by his lonesome and have the stats to back it up.

    I’ll share tommorrow. You guys are gonna keel and it’s gonna be awesome to behold.

    • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

      Thinking of the Jets makes me feel better. :-)

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        It shouldn’t.

        • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

          Yet it DOES!

          • Camilo Gerardo – your inception? fuck perception, go with what makes sense

            I Lol’d at how mad Ryan was at his defense after Miami won in Giants Stadium

            • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

              But they were THE BETTER TEAM!

    • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

      It will be like gazing into the Burning Bush. All the wisdom of Mo will be revealed to his chosen people.

      • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

        I thought that looking directly at it would kill you?

        • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime

          After what I’ve written it very well might.

          It’s 4666 words long.

        • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

          I thought that was Medusa.

          or Suzyn Waldman.

          or something.

        • http://twitter.com/riddering Riddering

          You can look into the burning bush but not into the face of God.

          Which is why none of us really know what Mariano Rivera looks like.

          • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

            He just makes it seem like he’s balding so as not to scare us.

            • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

              His hairs aren’t falling out, they’re ascending into Heaven.

              • whozat

                *golf clap*

          • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime

            +42

    • Januz

      There are FAR worse options than being a Giant or Jet fan, it is being a Knick or Net fan. Those two teams will not win 50 games between them. However, the ultimate in suffering is for Cleveland fans: They have the WORST team in the NFL in the Browns (On and off the field), they had to suffer seeing Sabathia and Lee pitching in the World Series (Instead of for the Indians), and Lebron might be leaving town (I could actually see him going to the Clippers to take on Kobe in LA),

      • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime

        I’m a Nets fan…0-82, baby.

      • Tom Zig

        The Clippers? Really?

        • Januz

          The Clips have Blake Griffin, and some other pieces to the puzzle (Unlike the bare cupboard at the Garden). If he would actually win with the Clips he would become an icon on the level of Tiger Woods (Plus LA is a bigger hoops market than NY (BASEBALL rules NY (Sorry Knick fans)). Thrown in the challenge of going up against Kobe head to head, makes the Clippers a very interesting option for Kobe.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            (Plus LA is a bigger hoops market than NY)

            NOT.
            FUCKING.
            REMOTELY.
            CLOSE.
            TO.
            BEING.
            ACCURATE.

            • Januz

              LA has the NBA’s most popular franchise(The Lakers), and College Basketball’s most successful team (UCLA). New York is a BASEBALL town first and foremost. 0

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                New York is a baseball town first, yes.

                It’s more of a baseball town than a basketball town or a football town.

                And, it’s still a bigger baseball, basketball AND football town than LA is. It’s a bigger market for all three sports than LA is. It’s a bigger and better sports town in general.

                In every and all ways, NY >>>>>>>>>>>>> LA.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  NY is a baseball town first, football town second, basketball town third, hockey town (sigh) last.

      • Ivan

        The Knicks will be good again…..it’s just that they waiting for the right time.

        • Januz

          The Knicks will be good again since they will be under the cap and they are rid of Thomas, but it will be quite sometime until they are on the level of the Celtics or Lakers. Basketball just does not cut it in NY anymore, because baseball rules this town (Even the Mets are above the Knicks in popularity (Ask St Johns about it sometime, High School players prefer going to places like Lawrence, Kansas to get publicity, they can’t find in NY)).

    • http://twitter.com/riddering Riddering

      Has a blog article won the Pulitzer yet?

      • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime

        Sheesh, man, I gottsa publish it first =P

        • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

          National blog post Writing Month? ;-)

          • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime

            More or less.

            • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

              A pat on the back and a handshake to anybody who knows the joke involved in that comment, besides Rebecca.

              • http://twitter.com/riddering Riddering

                NaNoWriMo?

      • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

        No, but I believe Joe’s piece on Melky Cabrera last year won this.

        http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0_yn.....rprise.jpg

  • Greg G.

    Hey, you guys going to the Winter Meetings again this year?

  • Ivan

    Holy crap, they coming out with a “Prince Of Persia” movie.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside
      • JMK aka The Overshare

        Michael Bay is a fucking retard FTL!

      • Januz

        I have read that Uwe Boll might be the WORST director in the business. It might be true based on “BloodRayne” (I saw BloodRayne to check out Michelle Rodriguez (That film sucked, it was so bad, it was on the level of the “Adventures Of Pluto Nash”)).

  • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime

    Put on MLB network for top of the ninth game 4–IE Damon’s STEAL OF DOOM

  • pat

    OO man this should be a fun off season to read Sox blogs to see the asinine trade proposals and insane overrating of their prospects. Reddick, Kelly and Bowden for A-Gonz? Sure! Kalish, LaRoche, Anderson and Stolmy Pimentel for King Felix? Of course! Westmoreland, Tazawa, Hermida and Navarro for Hanley? Get it done Theo!

    • Steve H

      Not only are they waiving the mandatory 5 year window for HOF eligibilty for Casey Kelly, they are actually waiving him ever having to play. His induction is scheduled for November 23rd, they aren’t even going to wait for the customary mid-summer inductions.

      • Mike Pop

        Casey Kelly is going to play both pitcher and shortstop at the same time in the same game.

  • http://www.progressamericana.com/ Pablo Zevallos

    So, Mike, are you guys going to do a review of the RAB Fantasy Football League? And what about a RAB Fantasy Basketball League?

  • Camilo Gerardo – your inception? fuck perception, go with what makes sense

    Re: gigantes. Hope they don’t line canty up on end anymore, hehe

    i expect a slow offseason this time around. our rotation is golden CC, AJ, Pett? Joba, Phil. CMW, IPK, Nova, McAllister,

    Damon/Sui/The Field for two positions is an issue

  • http://inthemasses.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/mad-max-poster-1.jpg gxpanos

    Guys, have we talked about Javy Vasquez?

    1 year, 11.5 mil, Braves may want to move him to get some value…has that ship really sailed? I would argue that it should never have sailed for RJ in the first place.

    He’s insanely durable, contract year…I can easily see 210 IP, 4.10 ERA for the Yanks.

    Any idea what he’d cost in talent? Or am I being thick because it’s way too expensive (11.5 mil and the prospects) for a fourth starter?

    • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

      Been there, done that. A better manager and coaching staff this time around might yield better results, but the Yanks usually don’t go back to the well on players that didn’t work out the 1st time.

      • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

        BETTER MANAGER?

        Not a Torre fan?

        • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

          Nope. I’m amazed how many Sabermetrically-inclined bloggers (who will be the first to jump all over old school Baseball types) embrace Torre, when he epitomizes that very line of thinking. If you read his book, the rift between him and Cash became most pronounced when Cash started becoming ‘a numbers guy’.

          In his later years with the team, I thought his approach to managing was lazy, entitled and self-absorbed. Was glad to see him go, and was a big supporter of Girardi taking his place.

          • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

            So you think Torre is a great manager but became worse in his final few years?

            • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

              I never thought he was great, but thought he was better when he had Popeye in his ear.

              • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                Popeye? All right, I’ll bite. Who’s Popeye?

                It’s hard for me to figure out how a guy who wins four championships in five years and makes the playoffs twelve straight years CAN’T be great, but to each his own I guess

                • whozat

                  Zimmer.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  It’s hard for me to figure out how a guy who wins four championships in five years and makes the playoffs twelve straight years CAN’T be great, but to each his own I guess

                  http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/correlation.png

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  I know, but the more correlation, the more likely the causation.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  Or something like that.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  My followup:

                  The fact that Torre was a good manager when he was winning 4 titles in 5 years does not mean Torre is a good manager in the general sense.

                  Things change. Torre may have been good then and shitty during the 2000’s.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  So he started great and became shitty?

                • http://www.newyorkjets.com/image_assets/8997/052109_coach_rex_ryan_presser_320.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                  “So he started great and became shitty?”

                  Why is that unrealistic? The guy was here for a looooong time, I think it’s a bit unreasonable to think he was the exact same manager, especially relative to his competition, which got a little smarter during his tenure. I think TSJC’s point is totally reasonable. Early on he had a good run, with the right team at the right time. Later on… Not so much.

                • Rockdog!

                  Or maybe the manager does not really matter so much. I know, good narrative and all that, but has anyone looked at Torre’s record before becoming the Yankees manager? I’ll content that he was a half decent manager who was in the right place at the right time.

                • http://www.newyorkjets.com/image_assets/8997/052109_coach_rex_ryan_presser_320.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                  Nobody here said that the manager matters very much. There’s a difference between (a) saying a manager is good or not so good and (b) gauging the manager’s effect on the success or failure of his team.

          • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

            BTW, I thought it was interesting how in the book when Theo, a numbers guy, became the Red Sox GM the Sox were “moving in the right direction”, but when Cashman becomes a numbers guy he “can’t forget the game has a heartbeat”.

            WTF was the difference except that Theo got luckier in the guys he chose?

            • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

              The thing about Torre’s book is that it was written by Verducci (who mostly embraces sabermetrics)but many of the quotes and stories were directly from Joe. So you had to separate the stuff that came from Torre from the rest of the book.

              • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                Exactly. Which is why I don’t think the book is nearly as dmaning as people think toward Torre. For example, people say Torre turned on A-Rod, but in actuality Verducci wrote a lot of the shit about A-Rod. Torre didn’t say much at all, good or bad.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  *damning*

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Or am I being thick because it’s way too expensive (11.5 mil and the prospects) for a fourth starter?

      I don’t know if “being too thick” is exactly the right phrase, but yeah, you’re way more interested in trading valuable prospects for Vazquez than I am.

      We don’t need a new marquee starting pitcher. We already have five.

      Let me say this again, louder:

      WE DON’T NEED A NEW MARQUEE STARTING PITCHER. WE ALREADY HAVE FIVE.

      • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

        Five?

        You consider Jobber and Hughes marquee?

        What do you expect out of them this year?

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          To pitch and keep improving.

          They both have legit ace potential. That makes them marquee starting pitchers who deserve a rotation spot.

          • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

            They have POTENTIAL but we do need to win.

            If the Red Sox substantially improve, which I believe they will, do you really think it will be good enough to have three good pitchers and two crapshoots?

            • Mike Pop

              Yes. Because for the long term it is the right answer. If the Yankees need to take some hits along the way next year like they did this year with Joba, it will be worth it for the long term future.

              • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                But next year, if the Red Sox are better, we could be severely diminshing our chance to win a second straight WS for pitchers that only MIGHT be good.

                I like them both, but depth is a good thing.

                • Mike Pop

                  I guess. I just think Yankees fans worry about the Red Sox way too much.

                  The same problems the Yankees have(getting older, some pitching spots to fill, etc), they have the same. If they go and diminish their farm to bring in another good player, let them.

                  The Yankees are still a better team than them. I wouldn’t be surprised to see them make one big splash, but two, or three like people are saying? Yeah right…. and that’s what it would take them to compete with the Yankees ;)

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  I like them both, but depth is a good thing.

                  Depth is a good thing, yes.

                  You don’t trade good prospects for a guy like Javy Vazquez who’s making 11M for “depth”. You sign Justin Duchscherer to a 1/4M for “depth”.

                  Depth like Vasquez is overkill depth that forces you to make a secondary move of bumping someone from the rotation. That’s not depth, that’s a logjam.

                  Consider this: Why is Vazquez on the market in the first place? Because the Braves want to keep Tommy Hanson in the rotation, and Vazquez is superfluous. They don’t have depth, they have a logjam. They have 6 pitchers for 5 spots, and rather than just say “oh, we have depth, this is awesome”, they’d rather trade Vazquez and go sign some inferior, cheaper pitcher for depth because they don’t want to bump their talented but unproven and “only MIGHT be good” kid Tommy Hanson from the rotation.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  Fair enough.

                • steve (different one)

                  Consider this: Why is Vazquez on the market in the first place?

                  b/c Lowe’s contract is untradeable.

                  yes, THAT. JUST. HAPPENED.

          • Mike Pop

            They both have legit ace potential. That makes them marquee starting pitchers who deserve a rotation spot.

            That doesn’t make them marquee starting pitchers. It makes them pitchers who deserve a rotation spot. Marquee starting pitchers are pitchers who have at least proved themselves…

      • http://inthemasses.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/mad-max-poster-1.jpg gxpanos

        Really? I count 3.

        And when has depth ever hurt anyone? We saw this year how 6 at the beginning of the year can become 3 and Chad Gaudin by the end.

        Obviously with Vasquez, I wouldnt want to give up a whole lot, but I dont think we shouldnt discuss it just because we have two promising, young, but far-from-sure-thing starters.

        • whozat

          Why the hell would the braves give up Vasquez for “not that much”? If you consider him a good deal at his salary, why won’t there be other teams lining up to try to get him for this “not that much”? Why wouldn’t the Dodgers get involved and drive up the price? Why wouldn’t the Mets, Phillies, or the Brewers or Rangers?

          • http://inthemasses.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/mad-max-poster-1.jpg gxpanos

            What am I, six years old now?

            I dont know how MLB trades work? I dont know that he’d be attractive to other teams?

            How do you know what I mean by “not that much?”

            I just wanted to get a discussion going.

            Caaaaalm.

            • whozat

              I dont know how MLB trades work? I dont know that he’d be attractive to other teams?

              Your comment certainly didn’t indicate that you’d thought about it.

              How do you know what I mean by “not that much?”

              I don’t. And you declined to tell us. It’s not that much of a conversation starter, then, is it?

              I just wanted to get a discussion going.

              The classic refuge of someone who didn’t really think before he spoke.

              Look, man, you’re cranky because I called out your ill-thought-out idea, so you’re acting like I’m yelling at you. I’m not, though. I’m pointing out that tossing a name out there, and then hedging by saying you’d only want him “if it didn’t cost that much” and then neglecting to say WHY you think he wouldn’t cost much — or even what “much” means — isn’t really interesting.

              • http://inthemasses.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/mad-max-poster-1.jpg gxpanos

                Or, the classic refuge of someone who wants to get a discussion going.

                I was cranky because you internet-yelled at me for no real reason. Dont condescend to me.

                Great discussion we’ve had here about Javy though. Constructive, and fun.

    • http://theyankeeway.mlblogs.com/ Keanu Reeves

      No thanks. He’s an NL pitcher in my mind.

      • steve (different one)

        “in your mind” >> “627 innings of 106 ERA+ for the White Sox”

        • Joe D.

          Actually, 411 innings of 98 ERA+ (2 seasons)sandwiching
          and 1 season / 216 innings of 127 ERA+.

          Yes, you got the overall average right, but the shape is important, too.

          By ERA+, Javy was a below-average starting pitcher two of his three years with the White Sox. Javy was also below average for the Yanks.

          All said in told, Vazquez pitched four seasons in the AL. He was great in one of them, and below average in the other three.

          I think Javy is a good pitcher, but Keanu may have a point.

  • http://pendingpinstripes.net Greg F.

    This is great. Thanks for this, Mike.

  • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

    I’ve posted this a few times, but it was buried in posts and we never really discussed it.

    I think the most glaring need the Yanks have this off season is primary set up man/8th inning guy. The production we got out of Phil Hughes last year (0.84 WHIP) will be very hard to replace. I assume Joba and Hughes are (correctly) heading to the rotation, so we’ll need a reliever or two this off season, either internally or FA.

    Any ideas?

    • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

      I disagree. Robertson IMO will make a fine setup man.

      • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

        No disagreement, I said either internally or FA.

        I’m not sold on D-Rob getting that much responsibility. He performed well for us last year, but I still like him better a little lower in the food chain. I want someone who can attack the heart of someone’s lineup with the game on the line, not sure D-Rob is that guy. He’s good, but just a notch below to me.

        • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

          Robertson performed on a HUGE stage vs. Minny. He put out a great strikeout rate and pitched very, very well last year. Him and Marte could make a fine eighth inning combination.

          • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

            He did, but mostly in low leverage work. His career walk rate in the minors worries me a bit, too.

            I know he got out of some big jams here and there, but I just doubt he can do that consistently.

    • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime

      David Robertson

      • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

        We think alike. :-)

        • Hey ZZ

          Don’t forget Marte. Him and Drob should make a very good combo.

    • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

      Here’s the FA list

      http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.c.....gents.html

      Relief Pitchers
      Luis Ayala FLA
      Danys Baez BAL
      Miguel Batista SEA
      Joe Beimel COL (B)
      Joaquin Benoit TEX
      Rafael Betancourt * COL (A)
      Chad Bradford BAL
      Doug Brocail * HOU (B)
      Kiko Calero FLA (B)
      Elmer Dessens NYM
      Brendan Donnelly FLA
      Octavio Dotel CWS (A)
      Alan Embree COL
      Scott Eyre PHI (B)
      Josh Fogg COL
      Chad Fox CHC
      Ryan Franklin * STL
      Gary Glover WAS
      Mike Gonzalez ATL (A)
      Tom Gordon ARZ
      John Grabow CHC (A)
      Kevin Gregg CHC (A)
      Eddie Guardado TEX
      LaTroy Hawkins HOU (A)
      Mark Hendrickson BAL
      Matt Herges COL
      Trevor Hoffman MIL (A)
      Bobby Howry SF (B)
      Jason Isringhausen TB
      Masahide Kobayashi * CLE
      Brandon Lyon DET (B)
      Ron Mahay MIN
      Gary Majewski WAS
      Guillermo Mota LAD (B)
      Will Ohman * LAD (B)
      Darren Oliver LAA (A)
      Chan Ho Park PHI (B)
      Troy Percival TB
      J.J. Putz * NYM
      Juan Rincon COL
      Fernando Rodney DET (B)
      Duaner Sanchez NYM
      Scott Schoeneweis ARZ
      Brian Shouse * TB (B)
      Rafael Soriano ATL (A)
      Russ Springer TB (B)
      Brett Tomko OAK
      Jose Valverde HOU (A)
      Claudio Vargas MIL
      Ron Villone WAS
      Luis Vizcaino * COL
      Billy Wagner BOS (A)
      Jamie Walker BAL
      Jeff Weaver LAD
      Kip Wells CIN
      Jamey Wright KC

      • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

        Of that list, only Gonzalez or Valverde interest me all that much. Not sure if they’ll want to set up, or how much they’ll expect to get paid. Valverde made 8 mil last year, Gonzalez 3.5.

        • Hey ZZ

          I think Cash is done investing in middle relievers. Outside of Mo and Marte I bet no one else in the bullpen makes more than $1 million.

          • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

            Maybe, but I’ve always liked Gonzalez and I know Cash tried to get him a few years back when the Pirates traded him.

            • whozat

              Sure, but he cost less, had a time-limited commitment, and would have not have had any choice in the matter. Now, there’ll be teams offering him the opportunity to close on a 4 year deal.

              • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

                We can offer him the same $ to set up.

                • whozat

                  Relievers are volatile. It’s dumb to lock yourself into long-term, expensive commitments with them. Look around at successful franchises. Which ones are still paying a premium for setup guys like that? Furthermore, Gonzalez knows that you get paid more for having the Closer moniker, and for racking up saves. Why would he choose to give that up? The Yanks would have to pay MORE to get him to do so.

                  Why would that be a good idea?

                • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

                  Because I like the way he wiggles his ass before he throws each pitch.

            • http://theyankeeway.mlblogs.com/ Keanu Reeves

              I wouldn’t want to give up a draft pick for Gonzalez. Too risky in my opinion. If he couldn’t handle the 9th in Atlanta I don’t think he can handle the 8th in New York.

              • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

                He closed for PITT the year he was traded, and logged 10 saves this year. I don’t think that’s the issue. But I like the idea he’s used to pitching the 8th, some closers don’t want to.

                Plus, he’s a Lefty so we can ditch Phil Coke.

                • http://theyankeeway.mlblogs.com/ Keanu Reeves

                  I know he’s had success as a closer in the past. But all I’m saying is if he couldn’t handle the 9th in the NL East, I don’t see him being able to consistently succeed as an 8th inning guy in the AL East.

                  I also think it’s way to early to give up on Coke. I realize he was awful in the postseason, but he was very good at some points during the year. I think he deserves another chance.

                  I also honestly think Coke is just as good as Gonzalez. That may be a little much, but I’m just not high on Gonzalez.

                • http://theyankeeway.mlblogs.com/ Keanu Reeves

                  I also think I sound really stupid saying I also think so many times in a comment.

      • http://www.progressamericana.com/ Pablo Zevallos

        Putz on a minor league deal (over at ~$1-2M) would do. Same for Billy Wagner.

        • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

          Has Billy Wagner ever closed a big game in his life? Seems like every time I’ve seen him face a good team in a big spot, he’s imploded.

          • http://www.progressamericana.com/ Pablo Zevallos

            Well, he’s certainly done so against the Yankees. He’d be a good set-up guy with that slider, regardless of the handedness of the batter, and could replace Phil Coke.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              I’m not giving the Sox my first round draft pick for Billy Wagner. No chance in hell of that.

              There are other, better relief options that don’t involve strengthening the hand of one of our competitors.

              • http://www.progressamericana.com/ Pablo Zevallos

                Wait, did they say they wouldn’t offer him arb? Or was that not part of the agreement?

                • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

                  I think you’re right about that. I remember that being an issue for Wagner, not sure how it was resolved.

                • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

                  Nope, they didn’t budge on that-

                  Boston officials apparently would not pledge to decline offering arbitration to Wagner. If the Red Sox offer him arbitration, a team signing Wagner could be required to forfeit a draft pick to Boston, potentially making it more difficult for him to find a new club.

                  http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....agner.html

                  He gets a draft pick.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  The agreement was that they promised not to pick up his option, thus making him a free agent. They most certainly retained the right to offer him arb, knowing he’d decline.

                  Basically, he waived his NTC in order to become a FA and leave and go get a closer gig elsewhere, but the Sox still get compensation.

                  A-level compensation.

                  No thank you, sir.

            • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

              He wants to close. Something about a left handed Save record that nobody but him gives a shit about.

    • http://www.twitter.com/matthewharris84 Matt :: Section 105

      Kick the tires on the Padres’ Heath Bell. I’m a big fan of his, he had a breakout year in 2009, and with all of the Pads’ financial troubles, hopefully you wouldn’t have to give up a whole lot.

      • whozat

        You act like no one else would be in on him. There are plenty of teams with plenty of money that will happily get in on Heath Bell. If the Yanks were about to steal him for like…Ivan Nova and Juan Miranda…why wouldn’t the Angels, Phillies or even the Red Sox beat that?

      • Zack

        They dont have financial troubles, the new guy already bought the team

    • http://theyankeeway.mlblogs.com/ Keanu Reeves

      I think the Yankees bullpen answers are internal. I just don’t see them spending money on a reliever this winter. Between Ace, Marte, D-Rob and Melancon, I’m really hoping someone will emerge.

      • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

        I think most of the pen will come from inside, but can see them landing a veteran arm as some insurance.

        Whenever someone talks about the young guys, they say “hopefully” or “hoping” as you did. They need something more solid than that to solidify things so we can sort the young guys out.

        Don’t forget, we had some young and promising bullpen arms named Veras and Edwar Ramirez, and a year later they were off the team. Bullpen arms are like stocks, they go way up and way down from year to year.

        • http://www.newyorkjets.com/image_assets/8997/052109_coach_rex_ryan_presser_320.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

          “Don’t forget, we had some young and promising bullpen arms named Veras and Edwar Ramirez, and a year later they were off the team. Bullpen arms are like stocks, they go way up and way down from year to year.”

          Right, but that last part is also a good reason to not invest too much money in veteran relievers, isn’t it? If you can stockpile decent (cheap) young arms, some of whom will be effective and some of whom won’t, isn’t that a better way to go than throwing more money at a veteran who may be effective but may not be? I like the plan of having a bunch of arms ready to go and using the first 1/3 to 1/2 of the season to get the bullpen sorted out. They’ve already got 2 well-paid vets in that bullpen, I’m not sure I want to pay for another when some mix of the cheap guys will do the job pretty well.

          • http://www.newyorkjets.com/image_assets/8997/052109_coach_rex_ryan_presser_320.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

            The point I was trying to make and should have made is that the very example you cited, the fact that guys like Jose Veras and Edwar Ramirez were young and promising and a year later… well, weren’t… Is actually evidence that going with the young guys and not bothering with the higher-priced vets is a good strategy. Yeah, those guys were promising at one time, but when they weren’t anymore, the Yankees bullpen was just fine (and was pretty damned good) anyway.

            • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

              It’s also a lot less costly when guys like Veras and Ramirez flame out than if a veteran FA guy does.

              • http://www.newyorkjets.com/image_assets/8997/052109_coach_rex_ryan_presser_320.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                Less costly financially and roster-wise, since you don’t have the same pressure to keep a younger guy on the MLB roster if he’s not performing well. If Krazy Kyle (just to use an example of a more highly-paid reliever) sucks, too bad, you’re stuck with him. If Mark Melancon sucks… Go work it out in Scranton, bud, and let someone else take a shot.

                • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

                  Agree 100%, but that doesn’t mean you never get a good reliable veteran reliever who has a good track record in favor of going all-kids. You can get a good veteran when you think it makes sense. Marte was a veteran lefty, and we went out and traded for him.

                • http://www.newyorkjets.com/image_assets/8997/052109_coach_rex_ryan_presser_320.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                  Oh totally… But we’ve already got Mo and Marte, I’m just not sure there’s a need for another. It’s not like we’re rolling with all kids. Like I said earlier today, if the right guy is out there and the Yanks could get him on a team-friendly contract, I’m all for it (even if the Yanks have a bunch of arms), I just don’t know that that guy is out there or that it’s realistic to think the Yanks could sign someone like that to the kind of contract that’d make it worthwhile instead of just going with the kids. Who knows, maybe with prices down and the economy struggling they can find a nice bargain. I guess we’ll see.

  • http://www.twitter.com/matthewharris84 Matt :: Section 105

    Forgive me if this was mentioned this weekend, I haven’t been around much…

    …I saw on the ticker on MLBN that Justin Duchscherer was a notable free agent.

    Good thing for the Yanks, obv, but what kind of deal is he going to command?

    • http://sports-odds.com/images/stories/yankees-arod-teixeira.jpg JobaWockeeZ

      Not a big one I would think with that injury. Plus he’s still trying to recover from his depression.

      • http://www.twitter.com/matthewharris84 Matt :: Section 105

        I agree, I think it’s a risk the Yanks should take, especially with Hughes going on the Joba plan in 2010.

        • http://sports-odds.com/images/stories/yankees-arod-teixeira.jpg JobaWockeeZ

          I doubt he’ll be going down a similar path to Joba. He already pitched a good amount of innings years back so he should be good for 160ish-170ish though he could go 180. They will probably take it easy to him so he’ll stop around there.

          It shouldn’t go to the point where he’s going to have 3 inning appearances.

          • http://www.twitter.com/matthewharris84 Matt :: Section 105

            He only pitched 106 total innings in ’09 though (major and minors)…

            • http://sports-odds.com/images/stories/yankees-arod-teixeira.jpg JobaWockeeZ

              Yeah but the “rule” is based on career high.

        • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

          Even if Hughes is limited to what Joba did this year, just under 160, the pitching staff could survive. Conservatively, they could bump Joba up to 190+ this season (they were more aggressive this season) and assuming Pettitte’s return:

          CC: 210-220
          A.J.: 195-210
          Andy: 195-200
          Joba: 190+
          Hughes: ~160

          They could definitely get by with that, assuming no one gets hurt. However, I’d definitely like to bring in J-Dukes or a swingman type guy who’s more inclined to starting.

    • http://www.progressamericana.com/ Pablo Zevallos

      I’d say $6-7M. But I think many of us have forgotten that he’s undergone treatment for depression. I don’t think it’s too wise to have him in NY nor do I think he’s really necessary.

  • http://twitter.com/hopjake Jake H

    I miss baseball

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      I miss baseball’s scent. I miss baseball’s musk.

      I think when all this gets sorted out, me and baseball should get an apartment together.

      • kunaldo

        Take it easy, TSJC. I think you better sit this next one out, stop talking for awhile.

  • Salty Buggah

    Can’t wait until tomorrow. I have to do a presentation in Spanish on a Hispanic person so I doing it on A-Rod. Awesome!

  • DJ

    Mike, when are you guys coming out with the 2010 top prospects list?

  • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

    I just spent a weekend in Phillies territory. It was nice seeing a dejected look on the faces of their fans.

  • Manimal

    WTF… anyone else see this?

    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/bl.....mlb,200803

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      Looks kinda fake at first glance.

      • Steve H

        It’s real.

        “He’s not trying to be Michael Jackson,” former Chicago Cubs employee Rebecca Polihronis, who talks frequently with Sosa, told the Chicago Tribune.

        “He is going through a rejuvenation process for his skin. Women have it all of the time. He was surprised he came out looking so white. I thought it was a body double. Part of [the photo appearance] is just the lighting.” Polihronis said Sosa told her the photos are deceiving.

        “He was doing a dermatological skin process after years and years [of playing baseball] in the sun,” Polihronis said. “It did come out looking weird” in the photos.

        • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

          Yeah, I don’t read articles, Steve. Well, if they’re about the awesomeness of Nick Swisher, then, yeah, I read ‘em. Otherwise…not so much.

          • Steve H

            Every article, ever, is about the awesomeness of Nick Swisher. Sometimes it’s hidden, but it’s there.

      • Mike Pop

        From the ocmments:

        ‘I only have one question, do you think it will keep him out of the Hall?

        Lol @ that.

    • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

      It’s interesting how when a dark-skinned person wants to be white, we all recoil in horror. Yet white people have been wearing black-face for 100 years, and white kids have been emulating black musicians for at least 50-60 years, and nobody bats an eye.

      So he wants to be White? Who cares. White kids have been trying to be Black for as long as I can remember.

      • http://www.newyorkjets.com/image_assets/8997/052109_coach_rex_ryan_presser_320.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

        Hold on… Who wears black-face?

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Yeah, but it’s not remotely that simple of an issue, and you know it, Artist.

        • http://www.progressamericana.com/ Pablo Zevallos

          +1

        • http://www.newyorkjets.com/image_assets/8997/052109_coach_rex_ryan_presser_320.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

          There’s also a difference the size of the Grand Canyon between white kids emulating black culture and people changing the color of their skin. This isn’t weird just because he happens to be a dark-skinned person who looks like he’s changed his skin color to look more white. It’d be weird in the exact same way if Scott Brosius emerged from the dugout to throw out the first pitch at Game 6 and had changed his skin pigmentation to make him look more like a black man. It’s just weird, like, objectively.

          • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

            No, I think it comes from the same place inside of a person. In both cases, they wish they were another race. If that’s his thing, I don’t think its a big deal.

            It falls under the category of what he thinks is attractive, and since he married a white woman and wears his hair straight that seems to be a safe assumption. I’ll bet the person who performed the procedure was a plastic surgeon of some sort. Women have all sorts of plastic surgery all the time and no one thinks it’s unusual.

            • http://www.newyorkjets.com/image_assets/8997/052109_coach_rex_ryan_presser_320.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

              I’m just going to bow out of this one.

              • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

                I’ll join you.

                • http://www.newyorkjets.com/image_assets/8997/052109_coach_rex_ryan_presser_320.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                  Still never got that answer about who wears black-face, though.

                • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD
                • http://www.newyorkjets.com/image_assets/8997/052109_coach_rex_ryan_presser_320.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                  Ha, yeah, that went over real well. Perfectly acceptable.

                • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

                  I was thinking Al Jolson, hence the 100 years ago part.

                • http://www.newyorkjets.com/image_assets/8997/052109_coach_rex_ryan_presser_320.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                  “I was thinking Al Jolson, hence the 100 years ago part.”,/i>

                  That’s not what you said. This is what you said:

                  “Yet white people have been wearing black-face for 100 years… and nobody bats an eye.”

                  You said that white people wear black-face and nobody bats an eye, and you said it as if the fact that white people wear black-face (which they don’t do anymore and which hasn’t been remotely acceptable in decades) is acceptable and makes it acceptable for Sammy Sosa to change his skin-color to look more white (if that’s even what was going on in that picture, of course).

                  Go ahead and walk back that statement if it’s not what you actually meant, but you still can’t use the history of white people wearing black-face acceptably decades ago as a reason to say it’s not fair for people to find it weird for a black man to alter his skin color to look more white, today.

      • pat

        It’s not so much that his skin is white it’s more that his skin appears to be a radically different color than it used to be.

      • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

        Well, wearing black face has an incredibly negative connotation. I don’t think anyone was wearing black face to imitate blackness.

    • http://thesportshernia.typepad.com/blog/images/2008/05/04/melky_cabrera_cant_believe_it_phixr.png Drew

      That shit ain’t right.

  • Glenallen Hill

    Hughes and Joba in the rotation to start next year? I don’t see it.

    I’d feel a little more comfortable with:

    CC
    AJ
    Andy
    Harden/Bedard/Washburn
    Joba

    Resign Damon
    Sign Cameron

    Duchscherer would be a decent sign if you can get him cheap. I just assume start Hughes than sign Duchscherer.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Hughes and Joba in the rotation to start next year? I don’t see it.

      Here, lemme help you:

      http://www.pearlevision.com/

      • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

        I see what you did there.

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      Harden/Bedard/Washburn

      Harden: hard time staying healthy and is a 5 IP pitcher in the NL. No thank you.

      Bedard: Injuries abound! He’s also said he doesn’t want to be on a big stage. Pass.

      Washburn: Not a good pitcher. He’s really not even worth a first thought, let a lone a second one.

      I do like the Damon/Cameron idea (swap Damon for Matsui if you’d like, too) and the J-Dukes idea, and he could probably come cheap. He could definitely do what Aceves did this year, only he’d be much more reliable as a starter if someone did go down. Still, I’d roll with CC/AJ/Andy/Joba/Phil in my rotation.

      • http://thesportshernia.typepad.com/blog/images/2008/05/04/melky_cabrera_cant_believe_it_phixr.png Drew

        I’m not too high on Cam. Partly because it may affect Melk’s spot(I’m not sure if Cash would DH Johnny 100+ games, I think Damon will be playing LF if he’s resigned). Also, Cameron K’s a lot, I’m not so sure I want the K-rate of Swish and Cameron back to back in the bottom of our lineup.

        • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

          That’s a fair enough point, but Cameron also walks quite a bit better than league average. He’s never been below it and has been in double digits in BB% every year since 1999 except ’05 w/the Mets. His .198 career IsoP is also very nice.

          As for Damon DH-ing, I think that’s where he’d spend the majority of his time if he’s the one who’s back, and not Matsui. The Yankees saw this year that the trick to keeping a good bat who’s aging and not 100% healthy healthy is to not let him play the field. If the Yankees can keep Damon in the lineup but out of the field, it will not only help him but it will help the team’s overall defense. Regardless of who plays left–Cabrera or Cameron–the defense is better than if Damon were out there.

        • Zack

          “I’m not so sure I want the K-rate of Swish and Cameron back to back in the bottom of our lineup.”

          Eh, #1 offense last year without Alex for 5 weeks, I think they can survive with adding a player with a high K rate if it means improving defense by A LOT.
          Everyone loves how Tex impacted the INF defense, you put Melky-Cameron in LF-CF and it’ll have similar result. You know like catching more balls and preventing guys from taking the extra base.

          • http://thesportshernia.typepad.com/blog/images/2008/05/04/melky_cabrera_cant_believe_it_phixr.png Drew

            Whether or not we “survive” is not the issue. We’ll kill it no matter what. I was just throwing that out there as a potential negative.

            • Zack

              No I understand, but IMO his high K rate isnt a factor in if I want him or not. It’s not on the same level as say if his OBP was .320 or something. Or if his arm was like Damon.

    • http://thesportshernia.typepad.com/blog/images/2008/05/04/melky_cabrera_cant_believe_it_phixr.png Drew

      So you give up on Phil Hughes the starter after 28 big league starts?

      • Joe D.

        Yup, he doesn’t have Veteran Grizz (TM) like Sheets/Harden/Washburn/etc.

        Tell Phil to come see us again when he’s 32 and broken. Then we’ll let him start, apparently.

        Do you think we can get Jamie Moyer off the Phils, btw?

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Isn’t Hideki Irabu mounting a comeback? Let’s get all over that shit like white on rice.

          • Joe D.

            Like pus on toads?

    • Zack

      You’re not comfortable with Joba/Hughes, but Bedard/Harden/Washburn lets you sleep well at night?

      Bedard- didnt like the media attention in SEATTLE, he’d be perfect for NY. Oh and the injuries. 2 shoulder surgeries in 2 years right? yeah sign me up for that.
      Harden- but tha STRIKEOUTS!!1!
      Washburn- um dont know what attracts you about him, probably just because his name was in trade discussion last year

  • larryf

    So when do pitchers and catchers report to Tampa? Going to early spring training again! I like internal bullpen solutions. We’ve got the guys and the young guys have now had a year of experience under big-time pressure. I hope Eiland can teach the changeup. If we had some guys (other than CC and A-save-us) who could throw it for strikes behind in the count-it would be sweet!

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