Comments on: Root, root, root for their old team http://riveraveblues.com/2009/11/root-root-root-for-their-old-team-19954/ A New York Yankees Blog Mon, 28 May 2012 13:24:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: nathan http://riveraveblues.com/2009/11/root-root-root-for-their-old-team-19954/#comment-687398 nathan Sun, 15 Nov 2009 21:51:47 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=19954#comment-687398 Lisa Swan maybe over-interpreting.. but Joe Torre is who he is, a man who maxed out his resources, earned good money and threw dirt on the organisation while on the way out.. interestingly his previous contracts also had escalators and bonus for playoff wins and WS appearances.. which obviously was an insult he was ready to take... how about negotiating a contract with Dodgers while their manager was still employed... thats not insulting that manager how about revealing clubhouse secrets... in a book.. how about insulting the GM who went to bat for you everytime the owner got antsy... what did he do, threw dirt on Cash$$ on his way out... the only reason other core Yanks were not called out? he needs them for his Safe@Home dinners... if i were Ethier or Kemp or Martin i would keep my lips zipped, you never know what clips and quotes Torre is collecting for the 'Dodger Years' book... to parallel the Boss with a woman beating bastard is classless... or so Joe Torre Lisa Swan maybe over-interpreting.. but Joe Torre is who he is, a man who maxed out his resources, earned good money and threw dirt on the organisation while on the way out..

interestingly his previous contracts also had escalators and bonus for playoff wins and WS appearances.. which obviously was an insult he was ready to take…

how about negotiating a contract with Dodgers while their manager was still employed… thats not insulting that manager

how about revealing clubhouse secrets… in a book..

how about insulting the GM who went to bat for you everytime the owner got antsy… what did he do, threw dirt on Cash$$ on his way out…

the only reason other core Yanks were not called out? he needs them for his Safe@Home dinners…

if i were Ethier or Kemp or Martin i would keep my lips zipped, you never know what clips and quotes Torre is collecting for the ‘Dodger Years’ book…

to parallel the Boss with a woman beating bastard is classless… or so Joe Torre

]]> By: Benjamin Kabak http://riveraveblues.com/2009/11/root-root-root-for-their-old-team-19954/#comment-687283 Benjamin Kabak Sun, 15 Nov 2009 20:05:27 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=19954#comment-687283 If you read that post closer, it seems to be as though T.J. Simers made that comparison while Ali Torre — and a tacit Joe — simply compared George to a domineering, and not abusive, Steinbrenner. I also think Lisa Swan wrote that analysis of the Simers piece to make Torre look bad. If you read that post closer, it seems to be as though T.J. Simers made that comparison while Ali Torre — and a tacit Joe — simply compared George to a domineering, and not abusive, Steinbrenner. I also think Lisa Swan wrote that analysis of the Simers piece to make Torre look bad.

]]> By: Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster) http://riveraveblues.com/2009/11/root-root-root-for-their-old-team-19954/#comment-687195 Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster) Sun, 15 Nov 2009 17:04:41 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=19954#comment-687195 http://thefastertimes.com/mlb/2009/11/14/joe-torre-is-still-griping-about-george-steinbrenner/ The more I think about it, the less respect I have for Joe Torre. Comapring Steinbrenner to his abusive stepafather? WTF, dude? Come on, that's not right at all. http://thefastertimes.com/mlb/.....inbrenner/

The more I think about it, the less respect I have for Joe Torre. Comapring Steinbrenner to his abusive stepafather? WTF, dude? Come on, that’s not right at all.

]]> By: lastofthebreed http://riveraveblues.com/2009/11/root-root-root-for-their-old-team-19954/#comment-687152 lastofthebreed Sun, 15 Nov 2009 15:01:09 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=19954#comment-687152 AMEN AMEN

]]> By: Jeremy http://riveraveblues.com/2009/11/root-root-root-for-their-old-team-19954/#comment-687139 Jeremy Sun, 15 Nov 2009 14:06:21 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=19954#comment-687139 Very well put. Very well put.

]]> By: steve (different one) http://riveraveblues.com/2009/11/root-root-root-for-their-old-team-19954/#comment-686993 steve (different one) Sun, 15 Nov 2009 03:35:05 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=19954#comment-686993 <i>and who can forget the wonderful Verducci piece on SI 3-4 years back when he spoke about ARod’s ADD in his office</i> this. and who can forget the wonderful Verducci piece on SI 3-4 years back when he spoke about ARod’s ADD in his office

this.

]]> By: Davor http://riveraveblues.com/2009/11/root-root-root-for-their-old-team-19954/#comment-686768 Davor Sat, 14 Nov 2009 22:50:40 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=19954#comment-686768 Torre had his guys and others. He was good until 2001, when he had Nelson, Stanton and Mendoza. He never liked young guys in bullpen, and he couldn't manage bullpen that needed lots of mixing and giving players second and third chances. He was also loyal to his coaches, Stottlemyre should have been out at least a couple of years earlier. Before 2006 Cashman had very problematic job: He had both Tampa group and Torre trying to do his job. Torre would never use bullpen like this year's, or play Cashman's player over his favourite (like when he played Bernie in center instead of Lofton). Torre had his guys and others. He was good until 2001, when he had Nelson, Stanton and Mendoza. He never liked young guys in bullpen, and he couldn’t manage bullpen that needed lots of mixing and giving players second and third chances. He was also loyal to his coaches, Stottlemyre should have been out at least a couple of years earlier.
Before 2006 Cashman had very problematic job: He had both Tampa group and Torre trying to do his job. Torre would never use bullpen like this year’s, or play Cashman’s player over his favourite (like when he played Bernie in center instead of Lofton).

]]> By: Pasqua http://riveraveblues.com/2009/11/root-root-root-for-their-old-team-19954/#comment-686764 Pasqua Sat, 14 Nov 2009 22:43:40 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=19954#comment-686764 Not only did you begin rooting for the Yanks during one of their dark periods, but Alvaro Espinoza was your favorite player? You, sir, are most definitely a masochist. /says the guy who started rooting for the Yanks in '86. Not only did you begin rooting for the Yanks during one of their dark periods, but Alvaro Espinoza was your favorite player? You, sir, are most definitely a masochist.

/says the guy who started rooting for the Yanks in ’86.

]]> By: TheLastClown http://riveraveblues.com/2009/11/root-root-root-for-their-old-team-19954/#comment-686743 TheLastClown Sat, 14 Nov 2009 22:19:01 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=19954#comment-686743 What leads you to believe he would've said anything different. He said it was 'surreal' because of the incredible run from 96-03. He probably genuinely has love for some of the guys, and he was an ass regarding others. The guy's not the devil though. I'm no longer enamored of Torre, but I neither have any deep enmity for him. He probably would've said something very similar had the Yanks lost. I mean, this was still a very successful team, getting past the Angels which Torre found himself unable to do. He still could've felt a sense of pride and camaraderie toward Girardi and the 'core four' *yuck* (core 25-40 bitches!) What leads you to believe he would’ve said anything different. He said it was ‘surreal’ because of the incredible run from 96-03.

He probably genuinely has love for some of the guys, and he was an ass regarding others.

The guy’s not the devil though. I’m no longer enamored of Torre, but I neither have any deep enmity for him.

He probably would’ve said something very similar had the Yanks lost. I mean, this was still a very successful team, getting past the Angels which Torre found himself unable to do. He still could’ve felt a sense of pride and camaraderie toward Girardi and the ‘core four’ *yuck* (core 25-40 bitches!)

]]> By: toad http://riveraveblues.com/2009/11/root-root-root-for-their-old-team-19954/#comment-686742 toad Sat, 14 Nov 2009 22:17:45 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=19954#comment-686742 <b>What warranted a pay raise? Or even a comparable pay? </b> Maybe nothing. But if he's doing a lousy job just let him go. <b>Why was a pay cut such a travesty?</b> Because they knew, IMO, that he wouldn't take it. There's ample reason to criticize Torre's performance. I'm not arguing the point. But then why do you want him back at all, even with a pay cut? You can hire lots of managers for what they offered Torre. I think they didn't want him back. And all I'm criticizing is the way they handled it. In my opinion the team knew Torre would turn down the offer, and they were just trying to cover their ass and pin the split on him being unreasonable rather than taking responsibility for the decision. Just my opinion. What warranted a pay raise? Or even a comparable pay?

Maybe nothing. But if he’s doing a lousy job just let him go.

Why was a pay cut such a travesty?

Because they knew, IMO, that he wouldn’t take it.

There’s ample reason to criticize Torre’s performance. I’m not arguing the point. But then why do you want him back at all, even with a pay cut? You can hire lots of managers for what they offered Torre. I think they didn’t want him back.

And all I’m criticizing is the way they handled it. In my opinion the team knew Torre would turn down the offer, and they were just trying to cover their ass and pin the split on him being unreasonable rather than taking responsibility for the decision.

Just my opinion.

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