Thanksgiving Eve Open Thread

Yanks sign outfielder Jon Weber to a minor league deal
Ranking the Yanks' championship teams

Did you guys start fasting yet? I have, started yesterday. My family and I aren’t cooking this year, we’re actually going to some fancy country club my uncle belongs too that’s having a big Thanksgiving buffet dinner for all it’s members. I’m going to destroy it. I’ve never gone to a restaurant on Thanksgiving, so I’m kind of excited that I won’t have to help clean afterwards.

Anyway, if you’re around, use this as your open thread tonight. The Knicks are in Sac-Town, and the quest for 0-82 continues in Portland. All three local hockey teams are in action too. Anything goes, just make sure you leave room for tomorrow.

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Yanks sign outfielder Jon Weber to a minor league deal
Ranking the Yanks' championship teams
  • Rebecca from ze ipod

    Heh I actually don’t like thanksgiving food so I have sushi

    0-82 HELL YEAH

    also I kind of had a run in with the garage. Oops

    • Evil Empire

      Sushi is my favorite food but c’mon, you don’t like the traditional Thanksgiving feast? I love that shit. I get fat and then pass out during a football game – it makes me feel like such a proud American.

  • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

    UConn is in the beginning stages of its wrecking of LSU.

    /hopes this statement doesn’t come back to bite him

    • Rebecca from ze ipod

      Syracuse is better

      • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

        We’ll see.

        I think the Huskies can get to the Sweet Sixteen if everything goes right, but I don’t expect anything too crazy. Their frontcourt is relatively unproven and their outside shooting is still iffy. Dyson’s going to have to improve there and we’ll just have to hope Kemba Walker keeps improving.

        New topic: is anyone else getting an error when clicking my name/going to BBD?

        • JGS

          yes

      • Brian Ewart

        So are Villanova, West Virginia, and Cincy.

        Seton Hall may have the best point guards in the conference.

        UConn is as good as Georgetown, maybe.

  • Josh

    dude – just a tip. never fast before Thanksgiving because it shrinks your stomach and you get more full quicker the next day or days after fasting. Long story short – go nuts and eat like a mad man the week of TDAY, that way your stomach gets streched and your ready to go to town…

    • jay

      I was just starting to write this…

      Good call Josh!

  • JGS

    back at home where I get MLB Network. Oh how I have missed it

  • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

    Stanley Robinson just made a three. Holy shit.

    • http://threequarters.cementhorizon.com/archives/kool%20aid%20man.bmp The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

      Ohhhh Kemba. Love it.

      • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

        I loves me some Kemba.

    • Mr.Jigginz

      Sticks’ outside shooting is under-rated…You look at his stats in his first two seasons he shoots it pretty well.I think last season,when he missed half the season or so,was the exception,not the rule.

      • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

        If he can improve his jump shooting, he’ll be unstoppable. He just has play under control. I know it’s cliche, but there are times he tries to do too much and forces up shots he shouldn’t take; the same went for A.J. Price last year.

  • Evil Empire

    Just finished yesterday’s RAB Radio show. First of all, thanks to the hosts for drilling down on my questions, you make some really good points. I’m still convinced that Matt Holliday is the right choice if we can get him for 5/90 but believe me, you wouldn’t see me complaining if we had Damon + Cameron/Matsui in 2010 so long as we got Crawford in 2011. If they were both free agents right now, I’d prefer Crawford since he could probably be had for closer to his actual value. If we miss out on both guys though, we’ll start having debates like Melky Cabrera vs signing Jason Werth to a substantial, multi-year deal at age 32. I do believe that is something we all want to avoid.

    I know Holliday isn’t the perfect player at the perfect time, like Teixeira ended up being last year. But the dude is fucking good, he’s young enough that we will still enjoy near-peak career performances offensively and defensively, and there is only one other player in the foreseeable future (Crawford in 2011 if he does indeed make it to FA) that looks worth our while.

    There are two wildcards though: an impact trade or Derek Jeter. Still, Matt Holliday is, in my eyes, the surest bet, and he also begins contributing immediately while the core group of players are still going at a high level.

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      I’m starting to sour on Crawford for 2011. I’m not convinced that his skill set will age nicely and his on-base skills aren’t all that great; he’s only had a walk rate above 6% twice and it sits at 5.3% for his carer. As his batting average starts to decline as he ages, he could turn into an out machine, thus negating his biggest asset–his speed/stolen base skills.

      • Evil Empire

        So that limits your hypothetical options even more if you want to put on your Cashman costume, if you aren’t high on Carl Crawford.

        The points you bring up seem legitimate, I’ll have to keep an eye out for that shit next year.

        What would you do, Matt? Any long term LF solutions in mind?

        • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

          Long term? I’m not sure; Crawford would be an okay choice post 2010. Jayson Werth’s not exactly young, but his skill-set fits the Yankees well. After 2010, the OF is going to be interesting. Regardless of what they do this season (re: Damon, Cameron, etc.), it’s going to start thinning out. Swisher’s set in right for the next two seasons (2012 option), but CF and LF will present problems. They’ve really gotta hope Melky can improve quickly or else they’ll probably cut him loose as his salary keeps increasing. The development of Austin Jackson in 2010 will be something to keep an eye on.

          Basically, this is a lot of words saying I have no idea what the long-term solution to LF could be. If the Yankees did not get Tex during last year’s off-season, I’d be much more open to getting Holliday, and would probably want it to happen. My problem with Holliday is not the money, but the years. If he could be had for 3-4 years, I think it’d be a good move, but that won’t happen.

          The IF is definitely set for a while but the OF is going to get wide open rather soon. This is where the Yankees’ lack of position player depth in the minors gets troubling.

          • Evil Empire

            So all of that said, and its that one extra year of commitment to Holliday that keeps you from liking the idea? 6 years of Holliday is too much. 5 years – through his age 34 season, is acceptable. You basically know what you’ll be getting from Holliday every year(a positive UZR and let’s say a OPS of .865 or above). If its not about the money – and it shouldn’t be for motherfucking Yankees – than how do you say no to that? I wasn’t sold on Holliday either until I really thought hard about it and put it all into perspective, but I do think its the way to go.

            • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

              Because I don’t think Matt Holliday is an absolute need. There are cheaper alternatives/strategies available this off-season and not signing Holliday allows the Yankees to be more flexible down the road in terms of moving players around the field.

              • Evil Empire

                Jeter is the only guy I can think of moving around. Maybe A-Rod? I guess so. Rodriguez probably has the arm for right field actually.

                • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WppcSY4SsSk barry

                  Yeah through the guy with hip problems in the outfield… brilliant.

          • http://threequarters.cementhorizon.com/archives/kool%20aid%20man.bmp The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

            I just want to drop in here since I’ve raised concerns about Crawford here before… The thing with Crawford isn’t necessarily that he won’t be a good sign next year, I think it’s just that he probably isn’t as perfect a sign as a lot of people seem to think before they really think about what the Yanks would be buying and for how many years and dollars. At this point in his career I think it’s safe to say that the power that everyone was waiting for to develop just isn’t really going to develop, so his offensive value is tied up in his average/OBP and speed. But he’s still a good defensive left fielder and he’s a decent offensive option (even if he’s not as good a hitter as people think he is). If you’re looking at a 4 year deal in the range of the deal they gave to Damon, I think that works even if it might be a bit risky towards the back-end of the contract. It’s just not nearly the slam-dunk some people seem to be thinking it is, I think people just automatically think of this guy as some sort of Rickey Henderson clone because they haven’t really thought it through. Even I, as one of the people who have raised concerns about Crawford, will concede that he’ll probably be a good option if he’s a free agent next offseason.

            Like Matt said above… The best possible scenario is that Jackson progresses and Melky improves as he enters his prime years. If not, the prognosis for the future of the Yankees’ outfield is cloudy at this point, to say the least.

            I have to peace-out, so this is kind of a hit-and-run comment. Have a great holiday, everyone.

            • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

              I agree with all of this.

            • Evil Empire

              Yeah one of the underlying components of my thought process is that I think Melky or Jackson will be solid CF options, but their bats may not play at LF. That truly is the best possible scenario though. If Melky can OPS .800 and post up a quality UZR in LF while Austin Jackson grows into his own in CF, we’d be in good shape.

              Would still prefer to sign more of a known quantity (Crawford on a Damon-esque deal does sounds about right) and let those two fight it out for starting time, and probably eventually trade Melky or just let him go into FA.

              • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

                I think Melky will be let go when his team control is up.

                • Chasman

                  Melky will be “let go”? Mat..with all due respect, I think you got into the thanksgiving wine a bit early.

    • Trent

      What do you think the chances of a trade for Juan Rivera would be? I heard the Angels are exploring that option if they get Granderson or someone else. Maybe a three-way deal even?

      • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

        Meh. There’s really no need for the Yankees to trade for anyone this off-season.

      • Evil Empire

        If I wanted Juan Rivera I would just sign Marlon Byrd instead. And I absolutely do not want Marlon Byrd. DO. NOT. WANT.

        • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

          Byrd could be a decent bench option, though. He plays decent defense and wouldn’t be an automatic out (.340 OBP, .422 SLG).

          But, there’s always this (Byrd’s time w/Texas):
          ’07: .916 home, .712 away
          ’08: .911, .772
          ’09: .873, .740

          • Evil Empire

            Oh off the bench? Fuck yeah, I’d be down for that. But it ain’t gonna happen. He’ll get a multi-year deal worth 8 digits.

    • Stuckey

      Another wild card is Montero.

      I’m all for giving him another year to see if he can be a Piazza type, but if not (and many are convinced it’s inevitable he’s moved off C) first base isn’t an option and a 21 year old DH isn’t ideal either.

      Corner outfield is what you’re left with, and in this scenario, IF he doesn’t stick at catcher, you’re probably not going to get back an impact corner outfielder for him in trade either, unless a team has surplus of impact corner outfielders and a GLARING need at 1B.

  • Salty Buggah

    Got a 95% on my Economics final. That put my overall grade exactly at 89.514. If my professor doesn’t round that up, I am going to be so fuckin pissed.

  • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

    Is anyone else not all that worried if the Sox get Halladay?

    To be clear, I don’t think it will happen with them for the same reason it won’t happen with us. They really don;t want to deal him in division if at all possible. They’ll use both teams to drive the price up and then trade him for the next best package that comes from out of their division. They don’t want to see him come back in the dugout 19 games next year, possibly pitching 4-5 of them. The fact that he’s so popular in Toronto makes it an even tougher pill for fans up there to swallow.

    But I just can’t get all worked up if the Sox unload their farm system AND give a 100+ mil extension for a 33 year old (next season) pitcher. Yes, he’s one of the best pitchers around right now. But that’s past performance. The team that signs him will be paying him for what he did with the Blue Jays, and the overwhelming likelihood is that he will not be the same pitcher over the course of his next contract. He’s already been banged up a bit in recent years, and the guys who continue dominate in their late 30’s (especially in the tough AL East) are few and far between.

    The one guy who we all thought was the exception to the rule, Randy Johnson, went from dominating the NL West at age 40 (ERA+ 177) to becoming very ordinary the very next season with the Yankees (ERA+ 112) and even worse the following season (ERA+ 90).

    If I’m going to give up a huge package of prospects, I want it to be for someone who is entering their prime years. Someone who I can project should put up his best seasons here, not have already had them elsewhere. King Felix or Josh Johnson would fit the bill. Those I guys I’d break the bank for. For Halladay, I’d only give up one of our young studs. A Joba+ package? Fine. A Hughes+ deal? I’ll live w/it. But not multiple studs who I’ll be watching enter their prime as I watch Roy age. The ‘trade in your division’ stuff cuts both ways for me. Watching Montero hit 40 HR’s while a 36 year old Halladay spends 2 months on the DL will drive me batty,and I’m sure many other Yankee fans as well.

    So while a 2010 BoSox rotation of Halladay/Beckett/Lester would be scary, and undoubtedly the best in Baseball on paper, I’ll still take my chances with the young guns we have now. Let Boston have 23 mil per year of dead weight on their books in the out years of the deal, it will affect them more than us. I don’t make this deal for the same reason we didn’t make the Santana deal. I don’t want to pay twice for a pitcher who’s already showing signs of slipping (health-wise) and I think we’re better off in the long run if we stand pat.

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      Is anyone else not all that worried if the Sox get Halladay?

      I’m not worried one little bit.

      • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

        Good, then I’m not crazy.

        Or maybe were both crazy. Or something.

      • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

        I think it’s bad move, if you look at the entire deal and not just the first few seasons. It’s the kind of move bad, desperate teams make and moves like this are a big part of why some teams are bad more often than not.

        Halladay makes sense for the Phillies, and where they are on the win curve. He’s that one piece that can put them over the top. For the Yanks or the Sox, trading away a Joba/Hughes/Buccholtz plus another top bat to get him, you’re trading away more productivity over the course of the deal than you will receive in all likelihood. You’re worse off as a franchise long term, and tomorrow does come around sooner than you think.

        • Tom Zig

          Things to be thankful for:

          Hank Steinbrenner is NOT in charge of anything.
          Hal Steinbrenner IS in charge.
          Brian Cashman IS in charge.

          Trading for Halladay is completely contrary to what the Yankees have been trying to do.

        • Tom Zig

          You are a wise man, Mr. Steve The Artist.

    • Evil Empire

      I agree with every word of this post. Boston ain’t the Yankees either – giving up a fat wad of cash AND young, cost controlled, high upside starting pitchers really affects a lot of their future decisions. You know Josh Beckett would reasonably ask for something like Doc’s contract + 1 (or even 2) more years.

      Quite possibly all 3 of Super Mauer, King Felix, and Josh Johnson will be looming on the FA market and they will have to consider passing on at least 2 of those guys if they’re already invested in Doc and Beckett (or Cliff Lee). My bet is that if Mauer makes it to FA, Boston will open the vault for him out of necessity.

      The more I think about a Halladay trade for the Yankees … the more I stay torn, heh. I do know there are more prudent moves that could be made, I’ll say that.

    • http://twitter.com/riddering Riddering

      Is anyone else not all that worried if the Sox get Halladay?

      Nope. In fact, I was going to ask the same question. In the short term Boston’s rotation would be killer but otherwise? If Boston really feels they need another ace for their rotation, Halladay doesn’t seem to be the most practical acquisition, especially if it involves trading Buchholz and/or letting Beckett go next season.

      You can never have enough pitching etc. etc. but it seems that the Sox have more pressing needs than a pitcher like Halladay. (Unlike the Yanks who needed an ace in CC last offseason.)

      • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

        Right. If anything they need a big bat, not another pitcher.

        • Tom Zig

          Can’t win if you can’t score.

          • Evil Empire

            Boston scored 872 runs last year. What would everyone set the over/under as in 2010? 800?

            • Tom Zig

              I can see them missing the playoffs if their roster stays the same (includes re-signing Bay)

              • Evil Empire

                I agree, if that’s all they do. If they trade for Halladay as well, you gotta like their chances in 2010 as much as any other team.

            • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

              Nah, better than that. 830, maybe 825.

          • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

            Which is especially troublesome when you play in one of the biggest bandboxes in baseball.

      • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

        The Yanks needed a bat and a pitcher last year.

        And you know what? We got them both!

        But the Red Sox are not the Yankees. I think that unlike us, they can only pick one. And if they have to pick one, logic says they should pick batting.

        • http://sports-odds.com/images/stories/yankees-arod-teixeira.jpg JobaWockeeZ

          Tell that to Francona.
          I think I’ve red somewhere each offseason he tells wonderboy to get a pitcher.

          If they don’t get back Bay or sign a power bat to equal that production then the Sox are pretty much screwed. Or worse if they lose Bay and don’t sign someone else that would be overkill mixed in with their bad defense.

          • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

            That would be a good scenario for the Yanks.

            Pitching wins championships. Offense wins games.

            You don’t get a shot to win championships w/o the chance to win games.

            /Adapted from a football saying’d

            • Evil Empire

              Well, in the Yankees’ case … pitching and two mortal lock HOFers on ridiculous hot streaks throughout the entire playoffs wins championships.

              • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                That helps too.

    • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

      Co-sign to all of this. Good post.

      • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

        GALILEO!!!!!!!!!

        • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

          Galileo is now my fucking hero.

  • baka nakamura

    have a good turkey day everyone, whatever your eatin’.

  • Brooklyn Ed

    RAB GETTING SOME EXPOSURE!!

    I decided to flip through the pages of the Yankees magazine today at CVS, and saw RAB getting some expoure

    http://www.imageshost.us/share.....B_4B0DDD7C
    its the last one listed.

    What kind of Yankee magazine I was reading?

    http://www.imageshost.us/share.....3_4B0DDD7C

  • Tom Zig

    Any other law students on here?

  • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

    I’m out, guys. Have a great Thanksgiving everyone!

    • Tom Zig

      you too

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      You too, Artist.

  • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

    You know what? I think the Yankees are better even if the Sox get Hlladay and our team stays the same, with Damon and Matsui playing and Joba and Hughes pitching.

    /Biased and not caring’d

    • Evil Empire

      Joba legitimately could have a breakthrough year. According to fangraphs, Bill James projects him to throw 176 innings of 3.73 FIP baseball, and a 190-77 K/BB ratio. I’d sign up for that in a cocaine heartbeat.

      • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

        ERA?

        • Evil Empire
          • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

            I would take that. Yes, indeed. I would take that.

            [Faints]

          • http://sports-odds.com/images/stories/yankees-arod-teixeira.jpg JobaWockeeZ

            So how accurate has this Bill James guy been? I didn’t know about FanGraphs existence til this season…

            • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

              Ha, neither did I.

              But I’m learning.

              • Evil Empire

                Bill James is like the godfath of advanced statistics.

                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_James

                Like Matt said below, he does tend to project people optimistically.

                CHONE projections – http://www.baseballprojection.com/ – on the other hand, tend to be very grumpy from what I’ve seen. If CHONE projects someone to have a quality year, I usually take that as a very good sign. For example, CHONE estimates Melky to pull off a .776 OPS, which would be really fucking great all things considered.

                • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

                  Yeah, I was very to see Melky’s OBP/SLG projections to be .349/.427. If he does that, I’ll be fuckin’ stoked.

                  I think PECOTA has the most pessimistic projections.

                • Evil Empire

                  I am not a big fan of PECOTA, and the fact that BA is so fucking in love with it makes me like it less.

                • Evil Empire

                  *BP, not BA. I loooooooove me some Baseball America.

                • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

                  What’s your beef w/BP?

                • Evil Empire

                  Nothing really, I just think they push PECOTA too hard and I don’t think their analysis is worth paying for. Nate Silver is legit though, I highly regard his analysis and usually read the things that BP write for ESPN Insider (which IS worth paying for).

            • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

              James’s projections are usually on the high side. That is, they’re very positive.

      • http://sports-odds.com/images/stories/yankees-arod-teixeira.jpg JobaWockeeZ

        Mo please let that happen.

        Anyways I’d love to see the Sox get Halladay losing Clay Buchholz, Kelly, Anderson and more then not have any money to get Jason bay back.

        Their offense while 3rd or 4th best isn’t particularly great. Losing bay would be a tremendous loss. On the flip side I would also love them to over pay Bay for 5 years. Declining and no defense.

        • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

          If Joba has a good to great year like that I will have so much fun rubbing it in the B-jobbers’ faces.

          • http://sports-odds.com/images/stories/yankees-arod-teixeira.jpg JobaWockeeZ

            Oh please, we all know they’re all going to say some BS like, “WHERE THE FUCK IS THE HEIR TO MO?” or “HE’LL HAVE A 0.00 ERA IN TEH BULLPEN!”

            • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

              True.

              Come to think of it, the B-jobbers I know would find a 3.94 ERA disappointing.

              • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

                Yep. And that’s just, well, wrong.

                • http://sports-odds.com/images/stories/yankees-arod-teixeira.jpg JobaWockeeZ

                  I could see Francesa bitching about a 3.94 ERA as a starter. It’s almost depressing. Okay maybe not that depressing.

                  This here is depression.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  And as we write this, the response from a LoHud dude:

                  “3.94 out of Joba isn’t too bad at all. However, he has shown that he can do that while pitching 5 innings, if he can extend that to 6 or 7 innings, that will be the progress we need to see. I also hope a little more from Joba than 11 wins, but as long as he keeps us in games, I’ll be happy.”

                  Now come on.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  And this:

                  “a 4.00 ERA and 10-12 wins might be all Joba ever is as a starter. Nobody really knows what he is at this point except that he was really good out of the pen and threw 100 MPH in 2007.”

                  Fuck you.

                • Evil Empire

                  Don’t even waste your emotions on those simpletons. Find solace in the fact that really fucking smart baseball people who are paid millions and millions of dollars to make sound decisions – such as Brian Cashman – agree with you.

                • http://sports-odds.com/images/stories/yankees-arod-teixeira.jpg JobaWockeeZ

                  http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/facepalm.jpg

                  It makes me sad that probably the Yanks are the only team that has a good portion of the fanbase opposed to developing young starters. Sure I can see the impatience levels and it is the mothereffing Yankees but still.

                  Do Rays fans have debates about David Price?

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  I am being EXTREMELY civil on the LoHud page. And to be fair, they’re being civil back to me.

                  But they really have no clue what they’re talking about.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  JobaWockeeZ-I’ve been on the Rays mesage boards. Yes, they do.

                • http://sports-odds.com/images/stories/yankees-arod-teixeira.jpg JobaWockeeZ

                  What’s it like? Do more people want him as a reliever?

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  Yep, people like him in the ‘pen.

                  Idiots.

                • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

                  If something could guarantee a 4.00 ERA from Joba for the next 10 years with the Yankees, I’d take it in a heartbeat.

                • Evil Empire

                  Oh jesus god yes. With the caveat of 180+ innings a year. He’d be like a right handed Pettitte in terms of results.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  I would not.

                • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

                  Word. I’d take that in, as Jamal might say, a cocaine heartbeat.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  That would be a big disappointment to me. I expected 3.4 ERA or less.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  Not next year of course.

                • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

                  So if someone told you that he or she could guarantee that every year for the next ten years, Joba Chamberlain would throw up 180+ innings of 4.00 ERA, you wouldn’t take it?

                • Evil Empire

                  It would be a big disappointment for a homegrown pitcher to consistently throw 180 or more innings and post a clean 4.00 ERA for 10 straight years? Dude. You might want to think a little bit harder about that.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  No, because I think he could be better, even much better, than that.

                • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

                  Yeah, I think he could, too. But, if something as solid as EE and I have posited could be guaranteed, I’d take it. Quickly. Very, very quickly.

                • Evil Empire

                  He could also be worse, even much worse, than that. And that’s still the likeliest outcome.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  I don’t think he will be much worse, I think he’ll be better.

                • Evil Empire

                  You will learn, young padawan.

            • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

              Heir to Mo?

              http://dinosaursneverexisted.f...../d-rob.jpg

              /really wishful thinking

              • Jack

                I still have high hopes for Melancon.

                • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

                  Yeah, I think he’ll emerge as more useful this year. I think Robertson could be a future closer because of the high strikeout rate and the two pitch combo necessary.

                • Jack

                  I think Robertson could be a future closer bullpen ace because of the high strikeout rate and the two pitch combo necessary.

                  FTFY

                  Yeah, I agree with all of that. I’m a big fan of both of them.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  I’m a big fan of Robo and Melancon as well, but I think Robo walks too many. Even in the minors he walked like 3.6 through 9. Not terrible, but IMO too high for closer/bullpen Ace material.

                • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

                  “Bullpen ace,” ftw.

                  Death to the closer.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  It will be a slow death. You need to get rid of the concept of closer, so that there’s no psychological fear of closing out games anymore.

                • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

                  It’s not even that so much as it is that the ninth inning isn’t always going to be when the game needs to be saved. If you’re up by two runs and the starter leaves in the sixth with the bases loaded and one out, doesn’t the game need to be saved then? I’d rather use Mo there than have to save that bullet for a situation that may not even present itself.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  Pitchrs get freaked out by the ninth inning, though; look at Coke.

                  I’m convinced it’s because the closer role is revered as being sooo dificult, and the ninth inning is sooo special. If you get rid of the idea of closer, then that will go away in theory.

                  BTW, I would not use Mo in the 6th; too early. The team would still have time to come back, and you’re still going to see the whole lineup at least one more time.

                  7th inning or later, yeah.

      • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

        I would, too. That projection is very bullish, though. I don’t think he’ll do that well, but I think he could breakout. I wrote an article today tearing apart one of my co-writers for suggesting the Yankees move Chamberlain back to the bullpen. Sadly, I can’t see it because BBD is apparently down. Sonofa…

        • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

          I find a 3.94 ERA very possible.

          • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

            Yeah, I think that’s possible. Each of the next two years, we’ll two steps forward from Chamberlain. In 2010, it will be the step to a slightly above average ML pitcher. In 2011, he will be the pitcher we all think he can be.

        • Evil Empire

          If I recall, BJ had a similarly rosy projection for Joba’s 2009 campaign (obviously scaled back due to the known inning limit and such).

          This year I am more prone to think Joba could actually match those projections. A 4.00-ish FIP is a more realistic number.

          • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

            +1

  • pat

    OO Btw here’s a scouting video of our new kid Eladio Moronta

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yICrzvtu9pw

    • pete

      not at all inspired…

  • X

    why didnt we sign Andrew Jones?

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      Because there is no player named Andrew Jones?

      /snarky’d

    • pat

      Because he wanted to go to Arlington to pad his stats in hopes of getting a better contract this year.

    • Evil Empire

      Melky Cabrera > Andruw Jones

      • X

        for 500k i’d take a shot.

        • Evil Empire

          Eh, seems like a waste of a roster spot to me. Since Andruw would only have a bench role, I’d just as soon give Juan Miranda the spot.

          Honestly, what is the upside of Andruw Jones at this point in his career? He’s deteriorated as quickly as any name brand player in recent memory.

          • X

            big sloppy?

            • Evil Empire

              Heh, yeah, Big Sloppy is up there. He’ll be egregiously overpaid next year. I’m really curious what he becomes when he hits FA. Will he be valued as anything more than a pinch hitter?

              • http://sports-odds.com/images/stories/yankees-arod-teixeira.jpg JobaWockeeZ

                Don’t worry, he just needs his supplements. He’ll be back.

  • Teix is the Man

    Heh, it is almost as if Kenny Williams is trying to assemble the oldest roster in MLB history.

    • X

      lol

  • JM

    Back to my RTTS player from yesterday, I finished the 2009 AA season with:
    .498 AVG (92 game hitting streak)
    .505 OBP
    79 RBI
    7 HR

    And he was traded from CHW to BAL to LAA all in the span in 5 days…

    • Jack

      Who (whom?) was he traded for?

      • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

        *For whom was he traded?

        ;)

        • Jack

          Ah, thanks. I never really learned the difference.

          God, my teachers sucked.

      • JM

        Guilliermo Quiroz and then part of a package I don’t remember the specifications.

        • JM

          Yes, apparently Quiroz is of equal value of an 18 year old .450 (at the time) hitting speedy Center Fielder. What a steal for the O’s in that scenario. But, then again, they traded him in a package to get some relievers, so…… people are dumb.

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      92 game hitting streak? Jesus Mo. What position?

      • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

        Jesus catches and Mo pitches. ;-)

      • JM

        Center Field

  • http://sports-odds.com/images/stories/yankees-arod-teixeira.jpg JobaWockeeZ

    Since a lot of fans want Halladay so much that they’d jump the gun for Joba, Hughes, Montero and Romine for him. But imagine if all of them reached their ceilings in like 2011 or 2012 and how stacked that team will be added in with some nicely timed free agents.

    Lineup 2012

    SS: El Capitan
    RF: Swishawk
    1B: Teix Message
    3B: “TEH CHOKE ARTIST”
    DH/C: JESUS CHRIST!!
    LF: CC VERSION TWO
    2B: “LAZY DOMINICAN1111″
    DH/C: ROMINE (can’t think of a nick name ;_;)
    CF: AJAX

    Rotation:
    King Felix
    ZZ Sabathia
    Jober “NOT THE HEIR OF MO” Chamberlain
    Philthy Hughsie
    AJ “5TH BUT STILL GREAT!” Burnett

    OR

    King Felix
    Jober “NOT THE HEIR OF MO” Chamberlain
    Philthy Hughsie
    AJ “4TH BUT STILL GREAT”
    ZMAC

    My mind is blown.

    • Jack

      DH/C: ROMINE (can’t think of a nick name ;_;)

      Mike’s profile* says he went to El Toro high school. We could just call him The Bull.

      * http://riveraveblues.com/2007/.....mine-1655/

      • K.B.D.

        For those of you who do not “hablo espanol,” El Toro is Spanish for… the toro.

    • Evil Empire

      Royals and Red Sox make a random bullshit trade!

      http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=4690440

      Why do I have a feeling that John Kruk is going to love this move for Boston?

      • Jack

        His name is Tug. That makes him gritty.

        • Mike Z

          My nickname is “Tug” but I am not gritty, I am sticky.

  • JMK aka The Overshare

    I just read that Iverson is likely to retire. This makes me sad. I know he’s a head case and a poor teammate, but c’mon Knicks, what do you have to lose? Yeah, Chris Duhon, Toney Douglas, Larry Hughes and Toney Douglas are better. Right. They’re worth the outrageous price.

    Simply put, Iverson is entertaining. This Knicks team is terrible. It eats almost nothing in salary. Why the hell not?

    I don’t give two shits if he practices, gets along with his teammates/coaches. Hell, he could play on a Segway and I wouldn’t care. So bummed…

    • JMK aka The Overshare

      Whoops. I’ve had a bit too much wine. Replace one of the Toney Douglas’s with Nate Robinson, a player I absolutely hate. I hate Nate Robinson more than Brett Gardner. And I really hate Brett Gardner.

  • Andrew

    im thankful for the fact that the giants game is broadcast in hd on the local fox station tomorrow. take that nfl network.

  • http://static.baseballtoaster.com/blogs/u/bronxbanter/2008/815/0001/Cabrera_Melky_-_2005_1080.jpg Drew

    FIrst time out to the Prudential Center tonight. It’s pretty nice. I still have no idea how section 128 is an 85$ ticket.. No wonder NHL is in the hole. Eh, I didn’t pay for the tix and it was a great time.

  • Meat Loaf

    Random question to RABers:

    I noticed the Red Sox championship teams in 04 and 07 had the largest payroll spikes in team history. But money only buys the Yankees championships, right?!

    I could be finding more excuses to hate Red Sox fans, but meh.

  • Mike Pop

    Happy Thanksgiving to all you, fuckers.

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      You too, pisshead.

  • JMK aka The Overshare

    Thread is likely dead, but for all who happen to notice, there’s a video for you. An oldie but goodie:

    http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1890326 (NSFW)