Thanksgiving Eve Open Thread


Did you guys start fasting yet? I have, started yesterday. My family and I aren’t cooking this year, we’re actually going to some fancy country club my uncle belongs too that’s having a big Thanksgiving buffet dinner for all it’s members. I’m going to destroy it. I’ve never gone to a restaurant on Thanksgiving, so I’m kind of excited that I won’t have to help clean afterwards.

Anyway, if you’re around, use this as your open thread tonight. The Knicks are in Sac-Town, and the quest for 0-82 continues in Portland. All three local hockey teams are in action too. Anything goes, just make sure you leave room for tomorrow.

Categories : Open Thread


  1. Rebecca from ze ipod says:

    Heh I actually don’t like thanksgiving food so I have sushi

    0-82 HELL YEAH

    also I kind of had a run in with the garage. Oops

    • Evil Empire says:

      Sushi is my favorite food but c’mon, you don’t like the traditional Thanksgiving feast? I love that shit. I get fat and then pass out during a football game – it makes me feel like such a proud American.

  2. UConn is in the beginning stages of its wrecking of LSU.

    /hopes this statement doesn’t come back to bite him

    • Rebecca from ze ipod says:

      Syracuse is better

      • We’ll see.

        I think the Huskies can get to the Sweet Sixteen if everything goes right, but I don’t expect anything too crazy. Their frontcourt is relatively unproven and their outside shooting is still iffy. Dyson’s going to have to improve there and we’ll just have to hope Kemba Walker keeps improving.

        New topic: is anyone else getting an error when clicking my name/going to BBD?

      • Brian Ewart says:

        So are Villanova, West Virginia, and Cincy.

        Seton Hall may have the best point guards in the conference.

        UConn is as good as Georgetown, maybe.

  3. Josh says:

    dude – just a tip. never fast before Thanksgiving because it shrinks your stomach and you get more full quicker the next day or days after fasting. Long story short – go nuts and eat like a mad man the week of TDAY, that way your stomach gets streched and your ready to go to town…

  4. JGS says:

    back at home where I get MLB Network. Oh how I have missed it

  5. Stanley Robinson just made a three. Holy shit.

  6. Evil Empire says:

    Just finished yesterday’s RAB Radio show. First of all, thanks to the hosts for drilling down on my questions, you make some really good points. I’m still convinced that Matt Holliday is the right choice if we can get him for 5/90 but believe me, you wouldn’t see me complaining if we had Damon + Cameron/Matsui in 2010 so long as we got Crawford in 2011. If they were both free agents right now, I’d prefer Crawford since he could probably be had for closer to his actual value. If we miss out on both guys though, we’ll start having debates like Melky Cabrera vs signing Jason Werth to a substantial, multi-year deal at age 32. I do believe that is something we all want to avoid.

    I know Holliday isn’t the perfect player at the perfect time, like Teixeira ended up being last year. But the dude is fucking good, he’s young enough that we will still enjoy near-peak career performances offensively and defensively, and there is only one other player in the foreseeable future (Crawford in 2011 if he does indeed make it to FA) that looks worth our while.

    There are two wildcards though: an impact trade or Derek Jeter. Still, Matt Holliday is, in my eyes, the surest bet, and he also begins contributing immediately while the core group of players are still going at a high level.

    • I’m starting to sour on Crawford for 2011. I’m not convinced that his skill set will age nicely and his on-base skills aren’t all that great; he’s only had a walk rate above 6% twice and it sits at 5.3% for his carer. As his batting average starts to decline as he ages, he could turn into an out machine, thus negating his biggest asset–his speed/stolen base skills.

      • Evil Empire says:

        So that limits your hypothetical options even more if you want to put on your Cashman costume, if you aren’t high on Carl Crawford.

        The points you bring up seem legitimate, I’ll have to keep an eye out for that shit next year.

        What would you do, Matt? Any long term LF solutions in mind?

        • Long term? I’m not sure; Crawford would be an okay choice post 2010. Jayson Werth’s not exactly young, but his skill-set fits the Yankees well. After 2010, the OF is going to be interesting. Regardless of what they do this season (re: Damon, Cameron, etc.), it’s going to start thinning out. Swisher’s set in right for the next two seasons (2012 option), but CF and LF will present problems. They’ve really gotta hope Melky can improve quickly or else they’ll probably cut him loose as his salary keeps increasing. The development of Austin Jackson in 2010 will be something to keep an eye on.

          Basically, this is a lot of words saying I have no idea what the long-term solution to LF could be. If the Yankees did not get Tex during last year’s off-season, I’d be much more open to getting Holliday, and would probably want it to happen. My problem with Holliday is not the money, but the years. If he could be had for 3-4 years, I think it’d be a good move, but that won’t happen.

          The IF is definitely set for a while but the OF is going to get wide open rather soon. This is where the Yankees’ lack of position player depth in the minors gets troubling.

          • Evil Empire says:

            So all of that said, and its that one extra year of commitment to Holliday that keeps you from liking the idea? 6 years of Holliday is too much. 5 years – through his age 34 season, is acceptable. You basically know what you’ll be getting from Holliday every year(a positive UZR and let’s say a OPS of .865 or above). If its not about the money – and it shouldn’t be for motherfucking Yankees – than how do you say no to that? I wasn’t sold on Holliday either until I really thought hard about it and put it all into perspective, but I do think its the way to go.

            • Because I don’t think Matt Holliday is an absolute need. There are cheaper alternatives/strategies available this off-season and not signing Holliday allows the Yankees to be more flexible down the road in terms of moving players around the field.

          • I just want to drop in here since I’ve raised concerns about Crawford here before… The thing with Crawford isn’t necessarily that he won’t be a good sign next year, I think it’s just that he probably isn’t as perfect a sign as a lot of people seem to think before they really think about what the Yanks would be buying and for how many years and dollars. At this point in his career I think it’s safe to say that the power that everyone was waiting for to develop just isn’t really going to develop, so his offensive value is tied up in his average/OBP and speed. But he’s still a good defensive left fielder and he’s a decent offensive option (even if he’s not as good a hitter as people think he is). If you’re looking at a 4 year deal in the range of the deal they gave to Damon, I think that works even if it might be a bit risky towards the back-end of the contract. It’s just not nearly the slam-dunk some people seem to be thinking it is, I think people just automatically think of this guy as some sort of Rickey Henderson clone because they haven’t really thought it through. Even I, as one of the people who have raised concerns about Crawford, will concede that he’ll probably be a good option if he’s a free agent next offseason.

            Like Matt said above… The best possible scenario is that Jackson progresses and Melky improves as he enters his prime years. If not, the prognosis for the future of the Yankees’ outfield is cloudy at this point, to say the least.

            I have to peace-out, so this is kind of a hit-and-run comment. Have a great holiday, everyone.

            • I agree with all of this.

            • Evil Empire says:

              Yeah one of the underlying components of my thought process is that I think Melky or Jackson will be solid CF options, but their bats may not play at LF. That truly is the best possible scenario though. If Melky can OPS .800 and post up a quality UZR in LF while Austin Jackson grows into his own in CF, we’d be in good shape.

              Would still prefer to sign more of a known quantity (Crawford on a Damon-esque deal does sounds about right) and let those two fight it out for starting time, and probably eventually trade Melky or just let him go into FA.

    • Trent says:

      What do you think the chances of a trade for Juan Rivera would be? I heard the Angels are exploring that option if they get Granderson or someone else. Maybe a three-way deal even?

    • Stuckey says:

      Another wild card is Montero.

      I’m all for giving him another year to see if he can be a Piazza type, but if not (and many are convinced it’s inevitable he’s moved off C) first base isn’t an option and a 21 year old DH isn’t ideal either.

      Corner outfield is what you’re left with, and in this scenario, IF he doesn’t stick at catcher, you’re probably not going to get back an impact corner outfielder for him in trade either, unless a team has surplus of impact corner outfielders and a GLARING need at 1B.

  7. Salty Buggah says:

    Got a 95% on my Economics final. That put my overall grade exactly at 89.514. If my professor doesn’t round that up, I am going to be so fuckin pissed.

  8. The Artist says:

    Is anyone else not all that worried if the Sox get Halladay?

    To be clear, I don’t think it will happen with them for the same reason it won’t happen with us. They really don;t want to deal him in division if at all possible. They’ll use both teams to drive the price up and then trade him for the next best package that comes from out of their division. They don’t want to see him come back in the dugout 19 games next year, possibly pitching 4-5 of them. The fact that he’s so popular in Toronto makes it an even tougher pill for fans up there to swallow.

    But I just can’t get all worked up if the Sox unload their farm system AND give a 100+ mil extension for a 33 year old (next season) pitcher. Yes, he’s one of the best pitchers around right now. But that’s past performance. The team that signs him will be paying him for what he did with the Blue Jays, and the overwhelming likelihood is that he will not be the same pitcher over the course of his next contract. He’s already been banged up a bit in recent years, and the guys who continue dominate in their late 30′s (especially in the tough AL East) are few and far between.

    The one guy who we all thought was the exception to the rule, Randy Johnson, went from dominating the NL West at age 40 (ERA+ 177) to becoming very ordinary the very next season with the Yankees (ERA+ 112) and even worse the following season (ERA+ 90).

    If I’m going to give up a huge package of prospects, I want it to be for someone who is entering their prime years. Someone who I can project should put up his best seasons here, not have already had them elsewhere. King Felix or Josh Johnson would fit the bill. Those I guys I’d break the bank for. For Halladay, I’d only give up one of our young studs. A Joba+ package? Fine. A Hughes+ deal? I’ll live w/it. But not multiple studs who I’ll be watching enter their prime as I watch Roy age. The ‘trade in your division’ stuff cuts both ways for me. Watching Montero hit 40 HR’s while a 36 year old Halladay spends 2 months on the DL will drive me batty,and I’m sure many other Yankee fans as well.

    So while a 2010 BoSox rotation of Halladay/Beckett/Lester would be scary, and undoubtedly the best in Baseball on paper, I’ll still take my chances with the young guns we have now. Let Boston have 23 mil per year of dead weight on their books in the out years of the deal, it will affect them more than us. I don’t make this deal for the same reason we didn’t make the Santana deal. I don’t want to pay twice for a pitcher who’s already showing signs of slipping (health-wise) and I think we’re better off in the long run if we stand pat.

    • Is anyone else not all that worried if the Sox get Halladay?

      I’m not worried one little bit.

      • The Artist says:

        Good, then I’m not crazy.

        Or maybe were both crazy. Or something.

      • The Artist says:

        I think it’s bad move, if you look at the entire deal and not just the first few seasons. It’s the kind of move bad, desperate teams make and moves like this are a big part of why some teams are bad more often than not.

        Halladay makes sense for the Phillies, and where they are on the win curve. He’s that one piece that can put them over the top. For the Yanks or the Sox, trading away a Joba/Hughes/Buccholtz plus another top bat to get him, you’re trading away more productivity over the course of the deal than you will receive in all likelihood. You’re worse off as a franchise long term, and tomorrow does come around sooner than you think.

        • Tom Zig says:

          Things to be thankful for:

          Hank Steinbrenner is NOT in charge of anything.
          Hal Steinbrenner IS in charge.
          Brian Cashman IS in charge.

          Trading for Halladay is completely contrary to what the Yankees have been trying to do.

        • Tom Zig says:

          You are a wise man, Mr. Steve The Artist.

    • Evil Empire says:

      I agree with every word of this post. Boston ain’t the Yankees either – giving up a fat wad of cash AND young, cost controlled, high upside starting pitchers really affects a lot of their future decisions. You know Josh Beckett would reasonably ask for something like Doc’s contract + 1 (or even 2) more years.

      Quite possibly all 3 of Super Mauer, King Felix, and Josh Johnson will be looming on the FA market and they will have to consider passing on at least 2 of those guys if they’re already invested in Doc and Beckett (or Cliff Lee). My bet is that if Mauer makes it to FA, Boston will open the vault for him out of necessity.

      The more I think about a Halladay trade for the Yankees … the more I stay torn, heh. I do know there are more prudent moves that could be made, I’ll say that.

    • Riddering says:

      Is anyone else not all that worried if the Sox get Halladay?

      Nope. In fact, I was going to ask the same question. In the short term Boston’s rotation would be killer but otherwise? If Boston really feels they need another ace for their rotation, Halladay doesn’t seem to be the most practical acquisition, especially if it involves trading Buchholz and/or letting Beckett go next season.

      You can never have enough pitching etc. etc. but it seems that the Sox have more pressing needs than a pitcher like Halladay. (Unlike the Yanks who needed an ace in CC last offseason.)

      • The Artist says:

        Right. If anything they need a big bat, not another pitcher.

      • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster) says:

        The Yanks needed a bat and a pitcher last year.

        And you know what? We got them both!

        But the Red Sox are not the Yankees. I think that unlike us, they can only pick one. And if they have to pick one, logic says they should pick batting.

        • JobaWockeeZ says:

          Tell that to Francona.
          I think I’ve red somewhere each offseason he tells wonderboy to get a pitcher.

          If they don’t get back Bay or sign a power bat to equal that production then the Sox are pretty much screwed. Or worse if they lose Bay and don’t sign someone else that would be overkill mixed in with their bad defense.

          • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster) says:

            That would be a good scenario for the Yanks.

            Pitching wins championships. Offense wins games.

            You don’t get a shot to win championships w/o the chance to win games.

            /Adapted from a football saying’d

    • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster) says:

      Co-sign to all of this. Good post.

  9. baka nakamura says:

    have a good turkey day everyone, whatever your eatin’.

  10. Brooklyn Ed says:


    I decided to flip through the pages of the Yankees magazine today at CVS, and saw RAB getting some expoure
    its the last one listed.

    What kind of Yankee magazine I was reading?

  11. Tom Zig says:

    Any other law students on here?

  12. The Artist says:

    I’m out, guys. Have a great Thanksgiving everyone!

  13. Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster) says:

    You know what? I think the Yankees are better even if the Sox get Hlladay and our team stays the same, with Damon and Matsui playing and Joba and Hughes pitching.

    /Biased and not caring’d

  14. pat says:

    OO Btw here’s a scouting video of our new kid Eladio Moronta

  15. X says:

    why didnt we sign Andrew Jones?

  16. Teix is the Man says:

    Heh, it is almost as if Kenny Williams is trying to assemble the oldest roster in MLB history.

  17. JM says:

    Back to my RTTS player from yesterday, I finished the 2009 AA season with:
    .498 AVG (92 game hitting streak)
    .505 OBP
    79 RBI
    7 HR

    And he was traded from CHW to BAL to LAA all in the span in 5 days…

  18. JobaWockeeZ says:

    Since a lot of fans want Halladay so much that they’d jump the gun for Joba, Hughes, Montero and Romine for him. But imagine if all of them reached their ceilings in like 2011 or 2012 and how stacked that team will be added in with some nicely timed free agents.

    Lineup 2012

    SS: El Capitan
    RF: Swishawk
    1B: Teix Message
    2B: “LAZY DOMINICAN1111″
    DH/C: ROMINE (can’t think of a nick name ;_;)
    CF: AJAX

    King Felix
    ZZ Sabathia
    Jober “NOT THE HEIR OF MO” Chamberlain
    Philthy Hughsie
    AJ “5TH BUT STILL GREAT!” Burnett


    King Felix
    Jober “NOT THE HEIR OF MO” Chamberlain
    Philthy Hughsie

    My mind is blown.

  19. JMK aka The Overshare says:

    I just read that Iverson is likely to retire. This makes me sad. I know he’s a head case and a poor teammate, but c’mon Knicks, what do you have to lose? Yeah, Chris Duhon, Toney Douglas, Larry Hughes and Toney Douglas are better. Right. They’re worth the outrageous price.

    Simply put, Iverson is entertaining. This Knicks team is terrible. It eats almost nothing in salary. Why the hell not?

    I don’t give two shits if he practices, gets along with his teammates/coaches. Hell, he could play on a Segway and I wouldn’t care. So bummed…

    • JMK aka The Overshare says:

      Whoops. I’ve had a bit too much wine. Replace one of the Toney Douglas’s with Nate Robinson, a player I absolutely hate. I hate Nate Robinson more than Brett Gardner. And I really hate Brett Gardner.

  20. Andrew says:

    im thankful for the fact that the giants game is broadcast in hd on the local fox station tomorrow. take that nfl network.

  21. Drew says:

    FIrst time out to the Prudential Center tonight. It’s pretty nice. I still have no idea how section 128 is an 85$ ticket.. No wonder NHL is in the hole. Eh, I didn’t pay for the tix and it was a great time.

  22. Meat Loaf says:

    Random question to RABers:

    I noticed the Red Sox championship teams in 04 and 07 had the largest payroll spikes in team history. But money only buys the Yankees championships, right?!

    I could be finding more excuses to hate Red Sox fans, but meh.

  23. Mike Pop says:

    Happy Thanksgiving to all you, fuckers.

  24. JMK aka The Overshare says:

    Thread is likely dead, but for all who happen to notice, there’s a video for you. An oldie but goodie: (NSFW)

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